Prog on now about living in London and a guy says its best to be white, male and hetero - they have it all.
Seems a bit oldfashioned now.
Channel?
OK, BBC2, London - The Modern Babylon
Quote from: lilacwoman on August 11, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
Prog on now about living in London and a guy says its best to be white, male and hetero - they have it all.
Seems a bit oldfashioned now.
White male privilege is still the order of the day but yes, the times they are a changing!
"I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are."
- Homer Simpson, early 90's
still seems to hold true today.
Rather a provincial view in my opinion. While NY. Moscow, Paris, and London are still powerhouses, a lot of decision are now made in Dubai, Rio, Beijing, Tokyo, Hong kong, Kuala Lampur,,,hardly bastion of white males,
It certainly is best to be those things. I'm not sure if it's a big deal to me, because people didn't listen to what I said even while I was male (so things haven't actually changed at all), but... it's a sour idea on principle.
To be born a couple decades or so from now would be nice. My peers' grandchildren will be so lucky.
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on August 11, 2012, 09:52:27 PM
It certainly is best to be those things. I'm not sure if it's a big deal to me, because people didn't listen to what I said even while I was male (so things haven't actually changed at all), but... it's a sour idea on principle.
To be born a couple decades or so from now would be nice. My peers' grandchildren will be so lucky.
or maybe with pollution/ global warming being born in a couple of decades wouldnt be all that great anyway :P
Canada is still doing fairly well. Global warming will help us, if anything, and pollution... well, we leave that to you guys for the most part. XD
Just being jocular. I do think there will be some population control, though, to help limit things - human beings love procrastination, so I'm sure we'll solve the world's problems the day before inhospitality becomes imminent.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 11, 2012, 05:29:31 PM
White male privilege is still the order of the day but yes, the times they are a changing!
There will always be a group with "privilege"...it doesn't matter who it is, there will always be someone.
Unless the gov't forces equality--in which case the gov't has the privilege.
It is still the closest to the "Perfect Gender" in the current Gender Order. Kate Bornstein has adapted the dietary pyramid idea to gender. No surprise we are at the bottom. >:(
Karen.
Really? People here listen more to females, I think. Men are ehm. Considered to think with their crotch, and to be lazy. Still stereotypes, but. At least it looks like we don't have the same as most.
I still have 8 weeks of "Sex and Bodies" to go this Semester. Gender vs Sexed Body.
Anyone who gets the chance should try and enrol in Gender Studies at Uni, TAFE, College or whatever. It really does help get to grips with the sort of things we live with.
Quote from: justmeinoz on August 12, 2012, 04:39:00 AM
It is still the closest to the "Perfect Gender" in the current Gender Order. Kate Bornstein has adapted the dietary pyramid idea to gender. No surprise we are at the bottom. >:(
Karen.
Au contraire, Mon Ami, as a white female misgendered-at-birth and forced-to-learn-the male role, I personally feel in a position of superiority over the so called cis people. I can "walk and talk" bot sides of the fence so to speak.
Perhaps as whole group, and because the injustices perpetrated again our most disadvantaged member, yes, perhaps we are not at the top of the pyramid. But, I think that being a "minority" is just an state of mind that "you" as a group of people let other people impose on you. Let me provide examples: a) currently in California, white people are percentage wise a minority, yet you do not hear white people in California calling themselves a "minority," right? Th statement in our local newspaper was: "White people are now "in minority" in California;" for the second example I will not mention an specific group of people, but lets just say that the European conquest in the new world resulted in some of the native populations feeling inferior to the "white master," to the point that to marry a "white person" was colloquially referred as a "improving the family gene pool," even in educated middle classes. But for the issue at hand, I should point that there was (and is) a number of tribes who rejected this "inferiority complex" despite having been conquered, what made (makes) them different? IMO, it is just a matter of a collective perception of a group of people (most intriguing is that I feel this is mostly driven consciously or unconsciously by the females of the group).
So, we as a cyber community ought to make an stand and defy being categorize as a "minority" or a 'second class" of Citizens! It is our duty to imbue our youth with a sense of pride in our unique and special gifts.
Not here.
I wouldn't say it's "best" but people will tend to take you more seriously, there will be more spaces that you have access to/are safe for you, etc. At least in the United States.
Personally I'd MUCH rather be taken less seriously if that's the cost of not being seen as male though. I kind of feel that way about being "white," too. I'm from a european descended family but historically many european groups have not been fully accepted as "white" in US society. I am half anglo-saxon and am accepted as white basically 100% of the time, but I would rather have some of the issues people in my family have with profiling, police harassment, job discrimination etc then get told that I have no right to identify with half my family's culture. of course if my family was noneuropean these issues would be much greater for than they are now so it's probably still "best" to be european descended, at least in that sense.
I also think we should be careful of saying things like "men get to have this" or "white people get to have this" because not all of them do. like you could be a white cis heterosexual man and not get taken very seriously at all if you are disabled.
in terms of worth or value obviously one isn't better than the other though. a "privileged" person isn't necessarily going to have a happier life either. someone who faces hardship can have a more meaningful life than someone who has always had everything.
To be fair the comment was from 2 decades ago. I left London about 10 years ago but when I was living there no-one was really too fussed about colour, gender or whatever.
Of course I was a white, male, hetero(ish) looking man at the time so what would I know?
Quote from: TessaM on August 12, 2012, 06:03:31 PM
Seriously, im going to one day have a beach front property, and the weather is going to be tropical! :p
Seriously tho, the "WASP" men tend to rule everything, more so in certain places, less so in others. Its not too bad in Canada,I imagine its worse in the states? (correct me if im wrong)
my impression talking to canada is that it's kind of "US lite." I'd much rather live in say Toronto than where I live now but I've also heard from indigenous groups about the Canadian government doing really terrible things, even in recent history, so those kinds of problems are still there.
Canada is kind of innately more "multicultural" than the US because there is a long history of different european cultures coexisting in a pretty codified way. we have a history of different european cultures in the "irish need not apply" kind of way but the idea of the united states as a "multicultural" isn't really settled. both countries have a history of slavery, extreme violence towards indigenous people, etc.
I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad? :laugh:
Carbon: Yes and no! There were violent wars against the Natives here, but since the Europeans were generally (barely) defending, we weren't all that agressive physically speaking. Of course, missionaries trying to convert them, absolute rip-off trades against their fur (a gun against its height in furs, lolol), the destruction of their culture and not helping them adapt to modernity appropriately are another story, but there were much fewer "Savage crusades" than what I think happened in the US.
Also, slavery was very rare in Canada. The people who came to New France were poor, outcast, etc. They couldn't afford a slave even if they'd wanted to. And a slave is a mouth to feed. Food was precious, especially in the winter, if you still weren't done clearing yourself a field.
Aaaanyyyyywayyyy.
To come back to the topic, uhm, I can more or less tell about gender, but races, not so much. Other races are really rarely met where I live. As for further south, the most I see is that there seems to be a higher proportion of Blacks in those youth criminal organisations. Probably because a lot of Blacks we have here, I believe, fled places like Haiti because they didn't have a choice, so they were poor to begin with. And poor, unhappy children are more easily lured to crime, I guess.
Though I may have not heard of it simply, but I haven't heard of much racism. I haven't heard of there being a White gang and a Black one.
Quote from: A on August 12, 2012, 07:23:08 PM
Carbon: Yes and no! There were violent wars against the Natives here, but since the Europeans were generally (barely) defending, we weren't all that agressive physically speaking. Of course, missionaries trying to convert them, absolute rip-off trades against their fur (a gun against its height in furs, lolol), the destruction of their culture and not helping them adapt to modernity appropriately are another story, but there were much fewer "Savage crusades" than what I think happened in the US.
I do acknowledge most of that but it's still not the whole story. Direct and indirect violence was definitely an integral part of establishing european supremacy.
Quote from: lilacwoman on August 11, 2012, 05:08:38 PMits best to be white, male and hetero - they have it all.
It's very good for starters as a MTF; being white, 100% passable as a 100% male and 100% passable as hetero for the first, let's say 3-4 decades of your life, gives an excellent oppurtunity to build a very healthy, almost concrete ego.
An ego that can hold during MTF transition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0z76RuJUQY&# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0z76RuJUQY&#)
'As a white, athletic heterosexual male the sky was the limit' and is she right about that!
Especially in comparison to MTF who have always been visibly different. They simple don't get a single chance to build an ego and life like that.
Transgender Bodybuilder interviewed by Fox News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28n8rVsB9c#)
this bodybuilder is not happy with idea of a non-op former bodybuilder competeing with her and says Foxx is basically just a guy with boobs.
Foxx doesn't show much femaleness at all.
Quote from: lilacwoman on August 13, 2012, 01:47:37 PM
Transgender Bodybuilder interviewed by Fox News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28n8rVsB9c#)
this bodybuilder is not happy with idea of a non-op former bodybuilder competeing with her and says Foxx is basically just a guy with boobs.
Foxx doesn't show much femaleness at all.
Femaleness by whose standard?
How about the one below?
http://blogs.bettor.com/Female-Bodybuilding-Female-Empowerment-a17516 (http://blogs.bettor.com/Female-Bodybuilding-Female-Empowerment-a17516)
Not too different than Ms Foxx, right?
one pix of impressive muscles doesn't show lack of femaleness the way the Foxx videos do.
Quote from: lilacwoman on August 14, 2012, 01:08:21 AM
one pix of impressive muscles doesn't show lack of femaleness the way the Foxx videos do.
Agai,m that isd according to your standards. How about agreeing to: "femeninity is in the eye of the beholder"