Being fairly new here I don't know whether this is old news for other people here, but in case it's new and useful to anybody...
Yesterday I discovered that you absolutely can do your business standing up without requiring an STP. It works like this:
You square up to the bowl or the garden plant you're about to water, and unzip. You then use two fingers to flatten your labia minora and lift, so that the jet of liquid is directed out instead of down. And that's it! Obviously, you'll want to practice your aim before you try it in public, but that's what the shower is for. This method also has a downside in that you have to touch the anatomy in question, but I find this is offset by the convenience of being able to answer the call of nature without specialist equipment.
It only works if your anatomy is set up right, not all female bodied people have the right positioning for that to work.
Post labiaplasy I'm again all over the show like some garden sprinkler, eish.
But if one can make it work... very useful, or?
Axélle
Quote from: Andy8715 on August 24, 2012, 03:19:23 AM
It only works if your anatomy is set up right, not all female bodied people have the right positioning for that to work.
Yeah I've heard this too. I wonder if it's just a small percentage it works for or if most people can do it.
I can do it into a toilet without touching anything with my trousers down but I couldn't imagine doing it through a zip (I think that's what you're saying anyway).
I pissed all over last time I tried. I try in the shower just for the hell of it, but I don't think my anatomy is made for it. . .
I could see with the right technique and anatomy that this would work. I have not tried standing up yet. My question is, how long does it take, regardless of any device you use, to mentally undo one's conditioning to peeing sitting down????
I think that's whats stopping me from trying it, my mind keeps says, "what...turn around."
@henrythrob-- It's a good question. I can use an STP pretty well (I have tried this non-STP method, and I know someone who does this, a bit genderqueer I think) but I can't completely void that way. I have to use it and then sit which is frustrating a bit. Maybe after awhile that it is nervousness or something. (I have a Mr. Fenis btw).
--Jay Jay
I've found if you're absolutely straddiling the toilet bowl while standing without even touching your anatomy you can STP although it's kind of awkward to do this and obviously nothing that mimics how a bio-male would pee. Then again as several guys mentioned here not everyone's anatomy is set up the same.
Quote from: Kristopher on August 25, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
I've found if you're absolutely straddiling the toilet bowl while standing without even touching your anatomy you can STP although it's kind of awkward to do this and obviously nothing that mimics how a bio-male would pee. Then again as several guys mentioned here not everyone's anatomy is set up the same.
Well the method I have heard actually does mimic how bio-males do it, as you can direct your pee. OTOH, I sure can't do this and sounds like lots of you can't!!
--Jay Jay
Could also try something similar to the "magic cone".
http://www.magic-cone.com/ (http://www.magic-cone.com/)
I saw this years ago as a novelty, but... I never knew they ended mass producing it.
Quote from: Apples Mk.II on August 25, 2012, 06:07:49 PM
Could also try something similar to the "magic cone".
http://www.magic-cone.com/ (http://www.magic-cone.com/)
Coffee can lid works and can be rinsed off and reused.
Quote from: Andy8715 on August 25, 2012, 06:34:45 PM
Coffee can lid works and can be rinsed off and reused.
You mean something like this?
http://www.ftmguide.org/bathroom.html#stp (http://www.ftmguide.org/bathroom.html#stp)
Although the discovery for me is... Coffee in a can? First time I see that packaging.
Though there are all sorts of stp devices. We were talking about no device. OTOH, if you want to talk about low-end or cheap ones-- there's also the coke bottle thing or I suppose you could do a diy magic cone too. It looks sort of like a paper airplane with a curve in it. :)
--Jay Jay
Quote from: henrytwob on August 25, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
I could see with the right technique and anatomy that this would work. I have not tried standing up yet. My question is, how long does it take, regardless of any device you use, to mentally undo one's conditioning to peeing sitting down????
I think that's whats stopping me from trying it, my mind keeps says, "what...turn around."
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. My brain keeps going "Wait, this won't work. You have to sit down or your bladder won't work." I've been trying to get over it since I started transition about a year ago and I only ever have success when I am at home and when I really, really need to pee. Like, emergency levels of needing to pee.
So, I think its just time and practice. I have found its easier if I wait until my eyes are floating, but most of the time I don't feel like being uncomfortable and say screw it. My husband sits down too, so its not like men don't sit.
I can do this...but only if I'm wearing a skirt! ;)
Nothing wrong with sitting.
Thanks for the feedback guys!
It's interesting to hear how big a role anatomy plays with this method; from what you're saying I'm wondering whether the position of the urethra is the key.
QuoteI could see with the right technique and anatomy that this would work. I have not tried standing up yet. My question is, how long does it take, regardless of any device you use, to mentally undo one's conditioning to peeing sitting down?
I think that's whats stopping me from trying it, my mind keeps says, "what...turn around."
I have that problem with peeing in the shower. For some reason my brain just wouldn't let me do it and it took me ages to break the conditioning.
QuoteWell the method I have heard actually does mimic how bio-males do it, as you can direct your pee. OTOH, I sure can't do this and sounds like lots of you can't!!
I'm finding I can direct the stream without too much trouble, but it looks to me like this could be heavily dependant on anatomy.
I've seen it done :) Not by transmen but by some rather interesting and talented gals I use to party with years ago pre-transition
I was actually rather surprised and impressed at how well they could do it :) So it can be done
I did it. It worked, but the dysphoria was worse than the good feeling
I think I could do it without using anything or touching down there at all just by leaning forward with one hand on the wall behind the toilet. It's been ages since I last tried so don't quote me on that one. I would try now for you guys but we stack our giant collection of toilet rolls (I have no idea why my parents feel it necessary to have about forty rolls at any one time?) on a shelf behind the toilet here so I can't.
I've done it before, but I think I'd be too scared to try it through a zipper. I can just see a disaster in the making. I also just think the way I'd have to stand would not look natural and I'd look completely weird if I ever somehow felt crazy enough to ever do it at a urinal one day.
Quote from: Alex000000 on December 12, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
(I have no idea why my parents feel it necessary to have about forty rolls at any one time?)
Maybe they buy in bulk? I used to buy most things in bulk when I lived down the street from a Costco; it's much cheaper.
My house is the complete opposite, it's fend for yourself here. I have to keep my own toilet paper in my room, because there's never any in the bathroom.
Huh, this is interesting. I've been able to STP with no problem without touching anything, but never tried it through a zip. Not sure how much success I'd have there. Then again, the angle of the stream might actually make it possible (wouldn't be surprised if that happens to be yet another weird part of my anatomy). Might try this just for laughs at some point- you never know.
Position of the urethra is the key sadly.myself,i can stand *tho semi straddling* and pee with no issues as my urethra is already slanted towards the front.woman who is leaning back or sitting normal will have the most issues with this or other methods.the best thing to do is learn your position and work with it.
I have been practicing with a medicine spoon type STP device in the shower. I don't see how I could make it work with me jeans pulled up in their normal position. My urethra is so low under me that I can't get the zipper down far enough so when the STP is in the correct position to seal the end of the STP is strickup and no urine will drain out. I hope I explain it well enough so you know what I am saying; I would need to pull my jeans down to my knees which would never work at an urinal. I have tried peeing without a STP in the shower several times and have to use one hand to hold the parts open or I pee down my legs not good.
Quote from: LearnedHand on December 12, 2012, 07:05:07 PM
Maybe they buy in bulk? I used to buy most things in bulk when I lived down the street from a Costco; it's much cheaper.
My house is the complete opposite, it's fend for yourself here. I have to keep my own toilet paper in my room, because there's never any in the bathroom.
They do buy in bulk but then go and buy the same amount the next week even though there's still 20-30 left. We would run out of food long before toilet paper so it's just completely bizarre to me. iI think it's habit left from having to buy 50 "elephant bog rolls" (as my dad named them) at a time when we ran a pub.
Sound like all the female at my house, they always want a good supply of toilet paper on hand.
i tried that before it kinda works but it very messy in a bathtub....dont think i want to do it again though, dont like the idea of touching my self down there i rither like to hold onto something like a dick :)
I can pee standing if I'm right at the bowl, pants at the ancles. No touching needed, just gotta clench ze buttocks. I don't do it often, most often when I'm about to hop in the shower and just need to pee first.
I always pee standing in the shower. I can sort of control it without touching anything, but when it slows to a trickle...that's when I can see things getting messy.
Quote from: henrytwob on August 25, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
I could see with the right technique and anatomy that this would work. I have not tried standing up yet. My question is, how long does it take, regardless of any device you use, to mentally undo one's conditioning to peeing sitting down????
I think that's whats stopping me from trying it, my mind keeps says, "what...turn around."
I just started using an stp and the mental aspect was a breeze!!!
I found myself drinking more and more water so I could catch up on all the years I had been sitting down!
Quote from: lxndr on December 13, 2012, 11:05:53 AM
They do buy in bulk but then go and buy the same amount the next week even though there's still 20-30 left. We would run out of food long before toilet paper so it's just completely bizarre to me. iI think it's habit left from having to buy 50 "elephant bog rolls" (as my dad named them) at a time when we ran a pub.
I freak out when I get to the last 9 pack of jumbo rolls. To Sam's club!
Quote from: bballshorty on December 30, 2012, 02:43:21 AM
I always pee standing in the shower. I can sort of control it without touching anything, but when it slows to a trickle...that's when I can see things getting messy.
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Yep, the most difficult part is the beginning, where you need to adjust your position for the speed of flow, and the very end... where I would move towards the bowl and do a semi squat.
So I tried this and wow I must thank my anatomy cause it's a breeze. My aim's a little off(it's getting better) but I can stand in front of the toilet and just pee away. It's such a great feeling.
I am going on 4 years post meta and standing to pee fully clothed, even following surgery, had a HUGE learning curve! First it mattered the underwear I had on, then I could only do urinals and not toilets (missed the toilet OR dripped all over my clothes). It wasn't until this past summer when I peed outside almost exclusively while working in the yard that I pretty much had it mastered (or so I thought). Then there are other clothing issues that come into play: a shirt with shirt tails foiled me at a urinal, next it was a belt! So I'm still learning!
You're probably right that this is a great option. But I'd put it out there with the caution that you might not get it right the first handful of times, or the first few months, and it might take longer to master it. And great if you have time to practice it!
I find folding things a bit like a burrito and leaning forward a bit can work.. but I don't do it often because sometimes it sneaks out back and then I piss all over myself. I've peed all over myself more than I did as a baby. I just sit now. I like reading a book in there anyway.
Just the THOUGHT of touching my downstairs ->-bleeped-<- for any other reason than 1) wiping off after doing business, or 2) cleaning in the shower/bath (yeah, for some reason I don't mind it then. As long as I DON'T LOOK DOWN) makes my stomach turn. So no thanks...
And besides I'd be way to afraid I'd wet myself, lol. Standing + peeing = brain saying "WAIT YOU CANNOT DO THIS!? WTF ARE YOU MAD!?!?!?!"
Damn conditioning, lol.