how do you think you would view the lbgt community? I wondered this for sometime now. Just baseing it off my surroundings...i think i would have been distant because of the religion i was around at a younger age. Im from alabama and we are alll the way behind. So how do you think you would view someone like us?
I'm pretty sure I would've been openminded about it anyway, but I probably wouldn't care about LGBT issues as much.
That's interesting. If I was born as a girl, raised as a girl and lived as a woman: How would I view the whole GLBT community?
I think I would be just as open-minded as I am now. I was raised in a time when only white men had the most control over society. And I saw the discrimination towards minorities and women. And I always felt it was wrong. America was suppose to be the land of opportunity. And that should be, must be for everyone.
I'd probably be the same Don't tell me how to run my life and I won't tell you how to run your's person. In other words ambivalent to the whole LGBT thing.
Growing up just outside of New York City we had a mix of everything. My city was multi-cultural long before there was a word for it. I knew "Go play in front of your house" in around 5 different languages ;D Getting along with other people and cultures was just how it was.
I was open-minded about it. I even checked into it a couple of times, just to make sure my assumptions were correct (or if not, to be corrected).
I saw gay men (in general) as being excessively horny...gay women as being "man-haters" (and justifiably so, imho; I've always hated how many men are so freakin' violent towards those weaker than themselves)...trans women (I didn't know trans men existed until I came here) I thought of as probably being mentally ill, but harmless to society at large.
Live and let live was, and is, my basic philosophy.
I would like to think that I would develop the same philosophy of preserving people's freedom of choice that I have now, but chances are that I would have just as likely been somewhat against the LGBT group because of the environment I would have growing up.
My thirst for knowledge would likely have ended any prejudice with time, though, as I would have studied the group out of curiosity.
I never truly identified with the "trapped in the wrong body" belief to describe the trans* condition.
Gender variance is completely natural and so I, a transsexual woman born "male-bodied" and "woman-gendered," was born in the entirely "right" body!! ;)
Frankly I am a billion times stronger as a trans woman than I EVER would have been as a cis woman. I've been through abuse and depression so profound due to my gender dysphoria (a condition that I realize wouldn't exist if our culture were more accepting of gender variance and expression)...but I've also known joy so blissful upon self-acceptance and self-realization as the woman I am, this sexy XY female. =)
Frankly I object to the gendering of bodies in general. Gender is psychological but also simultaneously physical (think of all those chemical and electrical impulses that make up consciousness), so in a very real way I am and have always had a WOMAN's body because the terms "woman"and "man" do not belong to an innie or outie set of genitals, but rather to the biochemical make-up of one's brain.
Last summer I had a kind of archetypal encounter with this long-haired girl in my psyche called Na'ama, who turns out to be me if I'd been born in a girl body, and who grew up to be a kickass woman in another somewhen.
Basically, she and I are both queer and genderqueer :).
In all honesty, I probably would not be AS open. At least to trans issues. Because I would not have lived within it all my life. I would not know the proper pronouns. I would likely think the act of sex was more important to trans-people than it is.
I would be supportive though. Only because I would've been raised that way.
What's the "right body" for a non-binary?
I'm still working on that.
Leave it to the andros...
Sigh...
:)
Quote from: Brianna Evelyn on September 19, 2012, 11:45:44 PM
I never truly identified with the "trapped in the wrong body" belief to describe the trans* condition.
Gender variance is completely natural and so I, a transsexual woman born "male-bodied" and "woman-gendered," was born in the entirely "right" body!! ;)
Frankly I am a billion times stronger as a trans woman than I EVER would have been as a cis woman. I've been through abuse and depression so profound due to my gender dysphoria (a condition that I realize wouldn't exist if our culture were more accepting of gender variance and expression)...but I've also known joy so blissful upon self-acceptance and self-realization as the woman I am, this sexy XY female. =)
Frankly I object to the gendering of bodies in general. Gender is psychological but also simultaneously physical (think of all those chemical and electrical impulses that make up consciousness), so in a very real way I am and have always had a WOMAN's body because the terms "woman" and "man" do not belong to an innie or outie set of genitals, but rather to the biochemical make-up of one's brain.
Hi, Brianna. Welcome to Susan's. Would you consider posting a short bio in the Introductions forum?
I definitely would not be as open minded as I am today. I grew up in an extremely conservative Asian household in a very conservative city. It was only recently that I have come to terms with myself (I never had any resentment towards the LGBT community, but couldn't accept being a member of it for a while).
@Jamie: You need to update your avatar, or change your sig. ;)
@silentone: Well spake.
I think I would have been just as open minded and make the effort to be understanding of others, that is just how I am and how I have always been
Quote from: Tori on September 20, 2012, 01:51:15 AM
@Jamie: You need to update your avatar, or change your sig. ;)
@silentone: Well spake.
My avatar is the mythical Hermaphroditus. That would be my ideal. :)
They have not yet created the statue hormone, but I suspect you already know that or else you would not be able to continue to type.
I do have hermaphrodite envy though...
Quote from: Tori on September 20, 2012, 02:00:59 AM
They have not yet created the statue hormone, but I suspect you already know that or else you would not be able to continue to type.
I do have hermaphrodite envy though...
Are you suggesting that I go get stoned? :o
She's saying you rock :).
Punny.
Both of you.
Very punny.
:)
Quote from: Tori on September 20, 2012, 02:11:20 AM
Punny.
Both of you.
Very punny.
:)
I need to thank the both of you.
You gave me a good entry for the "What are you listening to?" music topic.
Link please?
STONED SMASH MOUTH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmE8EOJ63g4#)
Found it first.
Also, awesome.
Gave you a reply.
Kept the stone theme going.
And now we make a perfect circle.
Quote from: Tori on September 20, 2012, 03:12:01 AM
And now we make a perfect circle.
I hope you brought your compass... so as not to get lost in language on top of born in 'the wrong body'... ::)
Axélle
I was born in MY body.
Quote from: Tori on September 20, 2012, 03:27:31 AM
I was born in MY body.
I could never have been born in the 'right' body. As
I wouldn't have existed and
I wouldn't be
me. The
you would be a different person and so cannot reflect on the question.
call me crazy, but I feel I was born in the right body.
Not too many people can say they honestly experience both male and female cultural, lifestyle, social, and psychological comparisons in their lifetime.
So, for me, I feel I was born in the right body. Having a blast too!
As to your question about how I would feel about the LGBT community if I was born another way. I would still embrace it and support it 100% just like no matter what body I was born into, I would not accept racism.
This is a fascinating question to ponder, but oh so difficult to answer.
My impression of gay people was formed at a very young age, and it was a positive impression, so likely that wouldn't change. Transgender and bisexuality...I did not learn about the first until my teenage years, and even then I had a naive and mistaken idea of what it meant. Same for bisexuality, only my understanding of that came years later. Probably up until I began considering transitioning was I ignorant about the GLBT world.
I wonder if my gender had been different in my younger years, would those events and influences that shaped my attitudes towards GLBT people had even occurred? Or would I have differently interpreted them and drawn completely different conclusions?
I think I would have been accepting of the GLBT community, but still unaware of the nuances of truly accepting people in those categories and perhaps a little stand off-ish about those concepts. A sort of "I don't mind what you do, but I'm not interested in it" attitude. Only in my college years or beyond would I likely refine my ideas about the community and approach it in a more educated and mature manner.
I am still a lesbian so I would stand tall and proud. Just like now ^_^ :3 If I wasn't then I don't know, there are so many things, I was born in a Christian household, my dad was very openminded though and accepting. He taught me judging others was wrong, my mom has the super religious side however since I am trans she has learned so much and is very very accepting ^_^ It's hard to think about this because I am not a awesome time-lord :P