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Title: Changing feelings
Post by: Sara Murphy on September 24, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
I will keep this one short because I just don't have the energy today to write a lot.

So, for the last three months all I have thought about was becoming a woman.  Awake, daydreaming, dreams at night, and unconscious thoughts that woke me up at four in the morning.  I started seeing a therapist, plotted out my strategy, started working out to lose weight and build a more feminine shape, and even did a little shopping.  I was gung ho, straight ahead!  Then yesterday...nothing.  Not a God damn thing! 

All I want to know is what the hell???!!! 

How can I go from so sure to absolutely nothing in the blink of an eye? 
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Beverly on September 24, 2012, 02:16:06 PM
Do you mean you do not want to be a woman any more?
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Sara Murphy on September 24, 2012, 02:23:36 PM
I mean that the overwhelming desire and need to transition into a women that I had up until Saturday went away on Sunday.  Now I am just content being a dude for the moment.

Is it supposed to flip-flop like that?  If so, not cool.  Not cool at all brain.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Shawn Sunshine on September 24, 2012, 02:25:19 PM
It flip flops for me even worse than that
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Beverly on September 24, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: Sara Murphy on September 24, 2012, 02:23:36 PM
I mean that the overwhelming desire and need to transition into a women that I had up until Saturday went away on Sunday.  Now I am just content being a dude for the moment.

Is it supposed to flip-flop like that?  If so, not cool.  Not cool at all brain.
It came and went for me too. Sometimes I buried it, sometimes it seemed to leave me alone, but it was always there, it always came back and each time it was stronger and stronger. If you feel that it is no longer right to transition then stop transitioning. The real question is this - has the dysphoria gone away or are you just less bothered by it?
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Sara Murphy on September 24, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
Oui!  I guess all I can say is that for the last two days it has not been all consuming.

So, it will get worse when it comes back, ah?  Someone ring the bell, I want to get off this bus now.

I guess this is my fear.  When I get another wave of this and it takes me into transition.  What if it takes a weekend off again?  Well, I will kind of be up the creek at that point won't I?
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Incarnadine on September 24, 2012, 03:47:08 PM
It is those periods of doubt that frustrate me the most.  The times when I wonder if this is another role I'm assuming to escape a reality that I do not like.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: suzifrommd on September 24, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Certainly works that way for me. In social situations presenting male, I want people to see me as a female so badly it hurts. When I'm alone minding my own business, I still want the body parts, but it's a dull ache, easy to ignore.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Rita on September 24, 2012, 04:05:27 PM
You can't keep the same intense passion forever.  Its not that you have given up being a woman its just finding momentary blankets of contentment.

Goal is to eventually be like "so what I am a woman" whats so exciting =P  This be mah life!

Of course transition is exciting and at every step you will find yourself with untold bursts of excitement and periods of waiting and contentment.  Since hormones, surgery, everything doesn't just happen overnight we do indeed have to wait relax.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: oZma on September 24, 2012, 06:18:53 PM
think of it this way... cisgender people don't think about wanting to be their gender all the time.  you can't consistently think about wanting to be female or male because so much of life experience is gender neutral. 

sometimes girls don't feel like being girly and dress scrubby? does that mean she wants to be a man?

I think you're putting too much emphasis on your sense of urgency to guide your way which I will admit I was guilty of also :-)
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Seyranna on September 24, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
Still, there's a fundamental difference between having the visceral conviction that you ARE a woman and the fleeting fantasy of wanting to become one.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: oZma on September 24, 2012, 09:47:57 PM
I've never once felt like I am a woman... to say that I must know what other women feel like.  that goes the same for feeling like a man.  all I know is how I feel, ill admit now I am female but during and before  transition I would never say I am a women or God forbid a trapped women... read Julia Serrano - whipping girl
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Marcia on September 24, 2012, 10:25:51 PM
Could it be that by taking steps to transistion that your mind feels more at peace? LIke your mind knows that you are progressing toward your true self so it takes some time off to cool down.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Jayne on September 24, 2012, 10:33:57 PM
Once I came out & saw a gp the urgency died away for me a little, I think this is because I was able to tell myself that I was finally taking action.
Over the last couple of years i've had times when the urge to go to work as Jayne has been almost unbearable, even though everyone knew I was going to transition I couldn't go as Jayne for medical reasons.

I've started going out as Jayne since I had my name change witnessed last week as it feels wrong having a female name & presenting as male, I only do quick shopping trips & pick the quieter areas to shop, when i'm at home i'm Jayne all the time but I remove my make-up before it wrecks my skin, each time I go out I feel more comfortable as me.
The effect over the last few days is that my obsession with transitioning has died down again, this leads me to believe that as i've passed another milestone it's given me some breathing room.

I was wondering if your change in feelings may just be your minds way of telling you that you've made a breakthrough & you can relax for a bit?
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Jayne on September 24, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: Marcia on September 24, 2012, 10:25:51 PM
Could it be that by taking steps to transistion that your mind feels more at peace? LIke your mind knows that you are progressing toward your true self so it takes some time off to cool down.

Lol, you posted at the same time as me & managed to say in a few sentences what took me an essay, I salute your superior linguistic skills
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Carlita on September 25, 2012, 05:10:46 AM
Quote from: Marcia on September 24, 2012, 10:25:51 PM
Could it be that by taking steps to transistion that your mind feels more at peace? LIke your mind knows that you are progressing toward your true self so it takes some time off to cool down.

This ... and also ...

I don't know if this is of any help, but this is a metaphor I used to explain to a friend how I could go through those very same cycles of being totally consumed by dysphoria one day and apparently seeming free of it the next ..

"Imagine a beach. When the tide is in, it looks like there is nothing but sand and water. But then, when the tide goes out, the wreck of an old ship is revealed, and suddenly that wreck becomes the single most arresting sight on the beach. The wreck is like my dysphoria. There will be long stretches when my psychological/emotional tide is high and the dysphoria is invisible. But then the tide goes out and suddenly the dysphoria dominates everything and is absolutely inescapable."

But here's the thing that goes with that ... no matter how often the tide comes up, it ALWAYS goes back out again. If you have dysphoria, it's not going to go away. It may hide for a while, but it comes right back again, just when you aren't expecting it. So don't be fooled when it's hiding ...
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Kelly J. P. on September 25, 2012, 05:38:23 AM
 It was sort of always in the back of my mind. I could forget about the need to transition when I was with people, at times, but when left alone it haunted my mind constantly.

It was there when I spoke, or when I found a mirror. I couldn't stand my appearance or my sound.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: justmeinoz on September 25, 2012, 05:58:32 AM
Perhaps you are one of these people who are fluid, and can operate as either man or woman, both or neither.  Attitude is everything in gender questions, the  main thing is don't worry about it, just accept that it can change and enjoy the new insights it can bring.
Right now I feel like I am living outside gender altogether, and quite happy just being a human of predominantly female form.  It could change tomorrow, but I just view it all as part of life's rich tapestry.

Karen.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Sara Murphy on September 25, 2012, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: Seyranna on September 24, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
Still, there's a fundamental difference between having the visceral conviction that you ARE a woman and the fleeting fantasy of wanting to become one.

At the end of the day this is what it really comes down to isn't it.  Am I honestly and truly TG or am I just a deviant fat old man pervert.  I mean, I have had these thoughts of womanhood since my earliest teens, but for the most part they would just exist in the background.  Then this summer they exploded into the forefront.  I is kind of like this:  Warning science lesson.

The neurons in your brain are constantly receiving signals and impulses, but 99% of them are to weak to initiate a response.  Then there is a pulse that shoots the membrane potential of that neuron through the roof and that is when you have a thought or a muscle movement.

Well, for years I have had the smaller jolts of feeling the need to be a women and then BAM!  full blast electrical impulse.  And I lived that for three full months.  So I have to believe that there is more at play here then an amped up fetish.

Once I think I am starting to figure things out and some of the puzzle pieces of my being start to fit together and then it is taken away.  It is not fair!  Seriously, who is playing with me up there!

Quote from: justmeinoz on September 25, 2012, 05:58:32 AM
Perhaps you are one of these people who are fluid, and can operate as either man or woman, both or neither.  Attitude is everything in gender questions, the  main thing is don't worry about it, just accept that it can change and enjoy the new insights it can bring.

Maybe, but I would much rather be on one side or the other.  I am a person that likes to live in a world of 1's and 0's.  This either are or their not.  Being stuck in the middle causes me great fear.  If I am on the middle I am neither on or the other, just stuck in limbo.  Frankly that I where I am now and it is constantly weighing on me.  There needs to be only one me, not part of me over here and another part over there, and a small bit me me stuck up in a tree like a scared kitten.

Quote from: Marcia on September 24, 2012, 10:25:51 PM
Could it be that by taking steps to transition that your mind feels more at peace? Like your mind knows that you are progressing toward your true self so it takes some time off to cool down.

It would be consoling if that were the case, but I really have not done anything to drastic in my opinion.  The therapist has been useless to this point and I think this week will be my last meeting with her.

Quote from: oZma on September 24, 2012, 09:47:57 PM
I've never once felt like I am a woman... to say that I must know what other women feel like.  that goes the same for feeling like a man.  all I know is how I feel, ill admit now I am female but during and before  transition I would never say I am a women or God forbid a trapped women... read Julia Serrano - whipping girl

Then how did you make the decision to start taking that handful of pills?  I do not mean to drudge anything up, but I kind of feel this same way.  When the therapist asked me if I feel like a women I answered:  "I have no idea, I have never lived as a women."  Maybe this is one of my hangups then.  I do not know how the other half lives.  On a side note I have not heard good things about that particular book.  Care to give me a quick book report?

Quote from: Incarnadine on September 24, 2012, 03:47:08 PM
It is those periods of doubt that frustrate me the most.  The times when I wonder if this is another role I'm assuming to escape a reality that I do not like.

Maybe this is just my brain telling me that reality has set in.  Maybe I just do not have it in me to do everything that needs to be done to transition.  Both mentally and physically.  For God sakes I am built like a frickin' linebacker (all be it one who played soccer) and no amount of pills or mannerisms practice is going to change my bone structure.  My brother told me over the summer that I should start going back to the gym because I have the body structure to be huge. 

All I really want to do right now is yell and swear a lot, but don't want to get suspended from the board.

I just feel cheated again.  I felt cheated before I accepted what I am and now I feel cheated because it has been taken away.  When the feelings come back I am going to have a long talk with them and let them know that they are either moving in or its time for them to move out for good.  I can't have them taking summer vacations on my couch. 
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Randi on September 25, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
After 5 years on HRT and significant feminization, I had much the same thing happen.

I took some microgest for a few days and my long dormant penis started to be active again.  It occurred to me that having a penis and using it to please a woman is not a bad thing at all.

I thought I was ready to go through SRS and all that that entails, but suddenly it seemed totally un-necessary

I thought: "OK, so I know I'm a woman and I'm gay so I want to make love to women but wouldn't be be OK to keep this penis and see if the gals like it".

I really think it was the progesterone because I haven't had an erection suitable for penetration in over a year.  Suddenly I was a man again.

Randi

Quote from: Sara Murphy on September 24, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
I was gung ho, straight ahead!  Then yesterday...nothing.  Not a God damn thing! 

All I want to know is what the hell???!!! 

How can I go from so sure to absolutely nothing in the blink of an eye?
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: translora on September 25, 2012, 02:32:53 PM
QuoteI could forget about the need to transition when I was with people, at times, but when left alone it haunted my mind constantly.

I've noticed this pattern in myself also, and haven't heard it mentioned a lot on this board.

Basically, I've built a successful masculine persona which is fully functional and kicks in whenever I'm with other people. The dysphoria is temporarily forgotten, and I am able to function (if somewhat dishonestly) in the world.

As soon as I'm alone again the dysphoria returns, now with regrets over macho things I may have said or done to protect my secret, or opportunities missed to integrate my two selves.

When I'm in public, transition sometimes seems silly, pointless and misguided: "I can't ever be a woman, so why would I want to go through all that work? After all, I've finally figured out how to function as a man, so why disrupt that? What's really the difference anyway? I'll still be the same person, but my relationship to the world will be so much more complicated."

When I'm in private, I long to never need that masculine overlay again, and I have answers to all of those issues: "Being a woman is inside, and I can be whatever I want inside. Being able to 'function' as a man pales in comparison to 'thriving' as a woman. The difference is all in point of view, and being able to genuinely and emotionally connect with everything. I'll be a better person, and what the world thinks doesn't much matter."

When I move from private to public space, the shift is so automatic that it seems almost beyond my control. The only time it doesn't happen, is when I go out presenting as a transwoman -- which is just wonderful, but logistically risky right now (until I am fully out).

I don't think there's a question about whether I'm experiencing actual gender dysphoria, but I vacillate back and forth on how or if it should be treated. And I vacillate on whether the costs outweigh the benefits -- which is hard to do without deeply understanding either side of that equation.

Lora
http://translora.wordpress.com (http://translora.wordpress.com)
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Christine on September 25, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
Has your stress level changed recently?   Sometimes mine would go up and down with changes in stress levels but I don't remember it ever disappearing totally. It always remained in the background.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Rita on September 25, 2012, 04:12:45 PM
Sometimes a bit of a front is neccesary for our safety.  I just call it survival mode~  Its all a part of our journey to hopefully be full time.

Its unfortunate but as we all know the world aint peaches and rainbows.

Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Nathine on September 25, 2012, 04:19:02 PM
That's why there is need for a therapist. That's why there are frustrating guidelines. Once you transition, there is no going back, or at least not the way you were originally.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Rita on September 25, 2012, 04:28:22 PM
Well transitioning is a volatile period where you are stuck between 2 worlds and 1 truth.

Who you once were, who you will become, and who you really are.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Kevin Peña on September 25, 2012, 04:56:21 PM
Honestly, I know I want to go through transition, but when I have hangups about it being too difficult, I get pissed off that I would be thinking like that. I know for sure I want to transition; I don't need a therapist for that. I will say, though, that accepting yourself is a huge step and ever since I accepted myself, my tension over transition dropped immensely because I know it will be coming eventually. The closest I've ever come to doubt was questioning whether or not I should transition because I don't feel that I would kill myself without it, almost like I don't want it enough. I've always had this sort of problem that I would never worry over what is certain. Given my behavior, it seems like I am currently almost neutral about transition, even though I know I wish to go through with it. Although I have come to grips that I will never be a woman, from a purely technical, biological standpoint. From a philosophical, social standpoint I could be. I never wanted to transition to be a woman, though. I just want to live and be treated as one.

Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: JoanneB on September 25, 2012, 06:26:01 PM
I've never been all in on transition. Even back in my 20's when it was a lot easier, I ran tests. Tried part time, HRT, tried dating guys, etc.. Both times falling back onto it was easier and safer to try being a guy. Now some 30 years later I am again, and even more seriously looking at transitioning. Especially now that I see it is a very real possibility. I do live part time, I seem to pass, I seem to be accepted as a woman. So far no hassles at all in hillbilly country. Tons easier than 30 years ago just 2 miles from NYC.

Yet, while my RLE has been in somewhat controlled situations I think, perhaps I can someday. As I think more and more about it suddenly now it is "WTF ARE YOU THINKING!" Followed by the long litany of reasons, some very valid, and excuses why not. I go into a self denial,. Essentially going back to the tried and true faking being a guy. THese episodes usually come on the heels of some realization like "Hey, I am really actually passing!" which makes transition much more than some pipe dream. The other times it is a direct result of events on the home front.

As a few others noted, being alone with your own thoughts is the worse. Being out and around others, playing the role of a guy is easy. I've been been a chemeleon for a good 50 years. My dysphoria hit its peak 3 years ago after having to move out of state in order to be gainfully employed. Some 350 miles away I left a semi-invalid wife, a house, a mortgage, a...... a lot. This same semi-seperation has also afforded me the freedom to once again confront my demon head on. And it is a very scary demon. When I am back home on weekends or vaca (having giant honey-do lists to attend to) my mind never wanders towards my trans issues. Perhaps thanks to the 3D's; Diversions, Distractions, and some Denial. Much of my 5 plus hour drive to my other home, alone, is with tear filled eyes.

I have great valid reasons to move forward, I have just as many great valid reasons to kick myself in the ass for being a self-deluded idiot. The choice ultimately comes down to where will I achieve the most joy and happiness in my life. Sadly, I don't feel I deserve any between being trans, a fake, living a life of lies, and especially hurting the one person whose love, support and friendship means more to me than anything else.

And yes, she knows, mostly supports me. Her main concern is for my safety followed by my happiness.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Carlita on September 26, 2012, 04:45:18 AM
Quote from: JoanneB on September 25, 2012, 06:26:01 PM
I've never been all in on transition. Even back in my 20's when it was a lot easier, I ran tests. Tried part time, HRT, tried dating guys, etc.. Both times falling back onto it was easier and safer to try being a guy. Now some 30 years later I am again, and even more seriously looking at transitioning. Especially now that I see it is a very real possibility. I do live part time, I seem to pass, I seem to be accepted as a woman. So far no hassles at all in hillbilly country. Tons easier than 30 years ago just 2 miles from NYC.

Yet, while my RLE has been in somewhat controlled situations I think, perhaps I can someday. As I think more and more about it suddenly now it is "WTF ARE YOU THINKING!" Followed by the long litany of reasons, some very valid, and excuses why not. I go into a self denial,. Essentially going back to the tried and true faking being a guy. THese episodes usually come on the heels of some realization like "Hey, I am really actually passing!" which makes transition much more than some pipe dream. The other times it is a direct result of events on the home front.

As a few others noted, being alone with your own thoughts is the worse. Being out and around others, playing the role of a guy is easy. I've been been a chemeleon for a good 50 years. My dysphoria hit its peak 3 years ago after having to move out of state in order to be gainfully employed. Some 350 miles away I left a semi-invalid wife, a house, a mortgage, a...... a lot. This same semi-seperation has also afforded me the freedom to once again confront my demon head on. And it is a very scary demon. When I am back home on weekends or vaca (having giant honey-do lists to attend to) my mind never wanders towards my trans issues. Perhaps thanks to the 3D's; Diversions, Distractions, and some Denial. Much of my 5 plus hour drive to my other home, alone, is with tear filled eyes.

I have great valid reasons to move forward, I have just as many great valid reasons to kick myself in the ass for being a self-deluded idiot. The choice ultimately comes down to where will I achieve the most joy and happiness in my life. Sadly, I don't feel I deserve any between being trans, a fake, living a life of lies, and especially hurting the one person whose love, support and friendship means more to me than anything else.

And yes, she knows, mostly supports me. Her main concern is for my safety followed by my happiness.

Thank you, thank you, thank you ... I could relate to every word, and it's posts like this that make me realise I'm not the only one who feels the way I do. And that is a HUGE help x
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Tanya on September 26, 2012, 08:07:53 AM
I too can very much relate to this.  I also know that I would not pass due to my height, so the idea of never really fitting in is a tough one to deal with. 
I am  on E and have been for a while, which makes me feel better.   I run better on E than on T but still present as male.  Its tough, but I am getting to accept myself more and more.


Quote from: JoanneB on September 25, 2012, 06:26:01 PM
I've never been all in on transition. Even back in my 20's when it was a lot easier, I ran tests. Tried part time, HRT, tried dating guys, etc.. Both times falling back onto it was easier and safer to try being a guy. Now some 30 years later I am again, and even more seriously looking at transitioning. Especially now that I see it is a very real possibility. I do live part time, I seem to pass, I seem to be accepted as a woman. So far no hassles at all in hillbilly country. Tons easier than 30 years ago just 2 miles from NYC.

Yet, while my RLE has been in somewhat controlled situations I think, perhaps I can someday. As I think more and more about it suddenly now it is "WTF ARE YOU THINKING!" Followed by the long litany of reasons, some very valid, and excuses why not. I go into a self denial,. Essentially going back to the tried and true faking being a guy. THese episodes usually come on the heels of some realization like "Hey, I am really actually passing!" which makes transition much more than some pipe dream. The other times it is a direct result of events on the home front.

As a few others noted, being alone with your own thoughts is the worse. Being out and around others, playing the role of a guy is easy. I've been been a chemeleon for a good 50 years. My dysphoria hit its peak 3 years ago after having to move out of state in order to be gainfully employed. Some 350 miles away I left a semi-invalid wife, a house, a mortgage, a...... a lot. This same semi-seperation has also afforded me the freedom to once again confront my demon head on. And it is a very scary demon. When I am back home on weekends or vaca (having giant honey-do lists to attend to) my mind never wanders towards my trans issues. Perhaps thanks to the 3D's; Diversions, Distractions, and some Denial. Much of my 5 plus hour drive to my other home, alone, is with tear filled eyes.

I have great valid reasons to move forward, I have just as many great valid reasons to kick myself in the ass for being a self-deluded idiot. The choice ultimately comes down to where will I achieve the most joy and happiness in my life. Sadly, I don't feel I deserve any between being trans, a fake, living a life of lies, and especially hurting the one person whose love, support and friendship means more to me than anything else.

And yes, she knows, mostly supports me. Her main concern is for my safety followed by my happiness.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Nathine on September 26, 2012, 09:18:01 AM
In the long run, if you don't take care of yourself first, then nothing else really matters. Depression, frustration, and ideation become increasing frequent as the need seems to grow, and eventually you either do it or end up a statistic. Usually it takes a major incident in life to say, now is the time. Most who are in transition have had this experience, of loss, near death, extreme stress etc, and that seems to push you over the edge for Now or Never. Until you reach that time, there is the waffle effect, justification, denial, and anger.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Sara Murphy on September 26, 2012, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: Nathine on September 26, 2012, 09:18:01 AM
In the long run, if you don't take care of yourself first, then nothing else really matters. Depression, frustration, and ideation become increasing frequent as the need seems to grow, and eventually you either do it or end up a statistic. Usually it takes a major incident in life to say, now is the time. Most who are in transition have had this experience, of loss, near death, extreme stress etc, and that seems to push you over the edge for Now or Never. Until you reach that time, there is the waffle effect, justification, denial, and anger.

This is something that I was trying to figure out about myself when I created my "Breaking Points" thread.  After reading through them I know that I have not reached that point yet.  I just am afraid of getting to the point of a suicide attempt to make up my mind.  I would rather figure it out before I get down to that low of a point.

Quote from: Christine on September 25, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
Has your stress level changed recently?   Sometimes mine would go up and down with changes in stress levels but I don't remember it ever disappearing totally. It always remained in the background.

Stress level has remained about the same really.  School, money, and life worries are always there.  However, I have been about as busy as I have been in about a year lately.  Someone posted here said that when they are busy the thoughts will recede into the background for a while.  Maybe that is all it was because over the last couple days the ole' voices in the shadows have returned to once again start whispering in my ear. 

I know roller coasters are fun, but sheesh...
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Carlita on September 28, 2012, 05:31:03 AM
Quote from: Sara Murphy on September 26, 2012, 12:40:36 PM
School, money, and life worries are always there.  However, I have been about as busy as I have been in about a year lately.  Someone posted here said that when they are busy the thoughts will recede into the background for a while.  Maybe that is all it was because over the last couple days the ole' voices in the shadows have returned to once again start whispering in my ear. 

I know roller coasters are fun, but sheesh...

Hi Sara ... since you talk about school worries, I figure you're about a million years younger than me (!) so here's some advice I can give with the benefit of hindsight ...

Those 'voices in the shadows' absolutely won't go away.

You can try to lock them in a dungeon, deep inside yourself, you can bind them in chains and put stakes through their hearts ... but they will come back.

You can try to be 'a real man' and have a wife and kids, and it can work - for a while - but the voices will still come back ... and the more you try to silence them, the harder they bite you when they get out and start rampaging around your brain and your gut.

If you think you can live with that, fine ... I tried and in some ways I don't regret it because I've had a great life (aside from the GID making me nuts) and have a family I love ... but in other ways it's the greatest regret of my life.

What I'm saying is, the sooner you accept yourself, and the fewer commitments or involvements you have created when you reach that point, the better it's going to be.

I wish you all the wisdom and good fortune in the world because this is the biggest decision you are ever going to make and I really, really hope that whatever you decide, it brings you happiness and peace of mind.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Sara Murphy on September 28, 2012, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: Carlita on September 28, 2012, 05:31:03 AM
Hi Sara ... since you talk about school worries, I figure you're about a million years younger than me (!) so here's some advice I can give with the benefit of hindsight ...

Well, unfortunately, I am not all that young.  I am 37.  I have gone back to school for a new degree because, surprisingly enough, a communications degree with a minor in audio production is not a needed skill set in these times.  But I digress...

I have to say that for whatever reason your words seem to have resonated with me the most.  Not that I am not grateful for everyone else's opinion.

What that momentary lapse seems to have shown me is that I, most likely, will not be able to walk down that path of transition.  No matter what angle I look at it I just do not see it as a possibility.  Folks can tell me that height, age, weight, face, mannerisms, voice, money, social acceptability, etc. are things that I should not worry about and/or they will come with time and experience.  And, God I wish that I could see it that way, but at some point I have to be realistic with myself.   



Quote from: Carlita on September 28, 2012, 05:31:03 AM
If you think you can live with that, fine ... I tried and in some ways I don't regret it because I've had a great life (aside from the GID making me nuts) and have a family I love ... but in other ways it's the greatest regret of my life.

To this extent I believe that I have already sacrificed a lot.  Where you say that you have been successful as a man, I can not make that same statement.  I have existed in a self imposed seclusion for a very long time...most of my time in fact.  That is not to say that I am a shut in.  I can function in society perfectly fine.  I am an expert at putting on a "good face" at work or in short public outings.  However, I have not been able to keep legitimate employment for more then five years at a time.  I do not have any SO to speak of and have not perused one in this century.  All of this, possibly, because I do not know the person I am supposed to be.  Sure I think I am TG, but I could as easily be a cat trapped in a humans body...how the heck do I know.  I don't know what I am.  And, having read many of the accounts here and elsewhere that proves to be a very good indicator of GID.  That is why I am exploring this avenue.  Although being a cat would be kind of cool I think. Without getting into my background or personal life, but surfice it to say that I was given ever advantage and opportunity to succeed in this world and I have failed at every corner.  All that stemming from those voices who have pulled a Houdini on the locks of their chains.  I have come to the point of acceptance of what I am, but now I am in desperate need of finding a way to deal with it.  That is what has become all consuming and it has become very tiring and draining.

I do not know where you stand in transition, but I will ask you this since you have caught my attention with your post.  If you can not transition how do you deal with it?  You said that it can be buried with work and becoming 'a real man' but that is not a permanent solution.  What do I do with the rest of my life knowing what I know about myself, but no recourse to remedy the situation?  Sure I could be a friend to the community and do what I can for others, but I have a feeling that if I am around others who were able to and brave enough to transition that that would send me deeper into depression.  I feel like I am in a catch-22.  A loop with no end.

I am as rational a person that you will probably ever converse with but, I am at a loss right now.

Hummm...I seem to have deviated from my own original post.  Maybe I should start this as its own topic.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Kadri on September 28, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
This is a very difficult topic. One can never make other's decisions for them or read their minds. My own experience was that it hit me so hard one day that I knew I could never live as a male again. I hadn't even thought of dressing as a conscious need until seven or eight months before that day, and I was consumed with self-doubt as to what I was during that period. That day was liberating and at the same time terrifying, because I knew there would be pain and loss involved, and that it would alter my life completely.

If you haven't come to that kind of crisis point where you are compelled to make a decision to transition no matter what, then why do it? What's so wrong with being like you are now?

There are many people who flip-flop back and forth between wanting to transition and not over very long periods of time, sometimes for ever. In many ways I feel life is more difficult for these people who need to go back and forth than for those who are compelled to take permanent action. I am not sure, but sometimes I think people are more accepting of transsexualism than they are of crossdressing or bigenderism or any binary-challenging behaviour. That may not be the case in the US, but it seems to be so here. Also once you have come out as anything, then it is difficult to go back and make others forget that it ever happened. There is also a problem when you end up living a life where you are mostly happy and functioning as a male, and you know that people around you will have some objection to you if you come out. If you ever hit the point where you know you can't live life as a male ever again, then none of this will matter any more, and you'll have to do it no matter what.

If you aren't sure about what you want to do right now, you can always take action with things you are sure about. If you know you will always like dressing, then how about getting rid of facial hair? Do you ever want to have that again? Or you could even just start taking care of you skin without taking any further steps. These are the sort of things no-one really notices, and are sort of like transitioning without transitioning. Only you know and only you benefit. Maybe it will lead on to wanting something else, or maybe not. 
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: PaigeMtl on September 29, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
Every one has brought amazing feedback to this post and I'm probably not adding anything new but I'd still like to share as a sign of support.

I am going through that experience too at the moment.
Things where very new and exciting in the beginning but there comes a point where a part of me started letting go of what I relied on (or was expected) from the past 40 years trying to be a man, which leaves me also lost at times. Testing the waters was fun but diving in is a whole different thing. The big scary Unknown creates resistance.

It releases some of the pressure to spend a day or two in drab in public..even if it feels like a step back. I try and take that time to connect with how I'm feeling inside and projecting femininity outwards rather than depending on my external appearance. Of course that is easier said than done.
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Michelle G on September 29, 2012, 03:20:52 PM
QuoteThose 'voices in the shadows' absolutely won't go away.

You can try to lock them in a dungeon, deep inside yourself, you can bind them in chains and put stakes through their hearts ... but they will come back.

You can try to be 'a real man' and have a wife and kids, and it can work - for a while - but the voices will still come back ... and the more you try to silence them, the harder they bite you when they get out and start rampaging around your brain and your gut.

If you think you can live with that, fine ... I tried and in some ways I don't regret it because I've had a great life (aside from the GID making me nuts) and have a family I love ... but in other ways it's the greatest regret of my life.

What I'm saying is, the sooner you accept yourself, and the fewer commitments or involvements you have created when you reach that point, the better it's going to be.

It really eases my mind and makes me feel so much better to hear others have similar thoughts and experiences!

And some of you are so much more elequent in your putting words down than I ever will be..and I am very grateful for that!
Title: Re: Changing feelings
Post by: Beth Andrea on September 29, 2012, 03:46:34 PM
37 isn't old!  (I'm 48)...and wanting to be a woman "part time" (i.e., not transitioning) doesn't make one a "fat old man pervert"...just a couple thoughts!  :)

I never had any sense of being a "man" (or a "woman", for that matter). When I decided to transition, it was because the idea of presenting as a man is, by necessity, a false presentation.

I am *not* a man. Never have been, despite decades of trying.   :-\

Given the choice of being a man--or woman--physically and emotionally, being a woman would be the one I would (and did) choose. Emotionally, there was no need to change/adjust anything; no one has ever admired me for my manly behaviors, but everyone who stayed around long enough to know me mentioned my "female" behaviors.

Physically, I became appalled at all manly accoutrements that I had (body hair, muscles, whiskers, BO, etc), and wanted a definitely more fem body...although SRS wasn't desired at first, the longer I'm femme the less comfortable I am with "those parts."

Yes, there was a period where I went "What am I doing? HRT? WHY? maybe I should just wear guy clothes, and ditch the earrings..." But, when I went to work without earrings or nail polish, I found myself making an emergency stop at drug stores to buy a set of earrings and nail polish.

So yeah, going back and forth is just a recognition that you're looking at big changes...caution is always the best way of doing things when permanent changes are thought about.