Hi all.
I was reading a thread the other day about someone making prothsetic penis's and failing to deliver after receiving payment. I made a few posts and showed a very basic one I had made a few years back for a low budget film. The responses prompted me to look at other products currently available. One in particular stood out as being very high quality however at a price of 900USD it's hardly within the reach of a lot of the people that (in my opinion) need the device. I've decided to look into producing something similar, with all the features a realistic prosthetic requires for it to "pass" as real. My goal is to produce a highly realistic prosthetic that is fully functional.
I consider the primary purpose of an appliance like this to be its ability to lower its wearers feeling of dysphoria. Secondary is physical function, the ability to urinate standing, to be able to penetrate, to be sanitary, durable and within the reach of those who need it.
Before I go on, I'll tell you all alittle about my background, I have a design degree, a post grad in applied science. I've been production designer on international tv shows, and worked on several major films as a manufacturing model maker and industrial designer. Props ive made include suits of armour, hands for robots, swords, guns, knives, bombs, basically anything a production needs. I contract to one of the leading effects houses in the world and have accsess to all of the materials hardware and knowledge required to produce a prosthetic penis I am also trans, and I want to produce something that's available to the people who need it.... Enough about me..
I'm m2f, so my knowledge of exactly what you guys need is limited, I've started this thread as a wish list, I'd like to know what you guys would like in the perfect prosthetic penis, nothing is off limits, let your imaginations run wild, what would your dream features be on such a device? Realism? Hair? Sensation? Anatomically correct foreskin? Let me know in this thread. I see this project as a facinating industrial design challenge and am really hoping I can get this off the ground.
Thanks for your time
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Thanks Isabelle, I am super stoked at the possibility of this! :o :D
I guess this is a brain storming session so I will just run with what hits my mind.
The "perfect" prosthetic penis.....
* 3d Scrotum
* Free floating testicles
* STP
* Realistic painting
* Realistic 'feel'
* Nice punched hair
* Sized to be comfortable in pants
* Affordable
I am an intersex guy who finds myself having many of the same emotional struggles I see outlined on this board. It is not a huge downer for me but it would really be great to be able to see my body as it "should be" for once. This would be done by something that first and foremost appears real, and also feels real; though I understand there are limitations. A core part of it 'feeling real,' which most of the prostheses out there lack , is a 3d scrotum and free floating testicles. I feel like this is something standard that should be implemented into prostheses but it is not.
Another thing that comes to mind is (and i hate to pull other companies into this discussion.. but for discussions sake..) is ReelMagik and how the skin on his even seems free-moving. You can notice it in the video when he pulls on the skin to show this off. I have no idea how this is done but something like that would really top it all off. I have not seen that on any other prosthetic.
An uncut version would be cool, I saw some people wanting skin that could be pulled back but I am unsure of the technology is there yet/sanitation? An idea would be a version where the skin is slightly pulled back, like half way down the head.
The hair on the 'tab' I would think it should go around the sides of the tab too, if possible. RM puts it on the front of the tab and when you look down or from a side view you just see bare tab...
And lastly, the STP hole on exit should not be huge.. I feel like there are ways to make that not so prominent that people have not explored yet.
Thanks for listening..
not easily torn
many tear easy or get sticky
BTW, count me in as one of the 20. I may have to move to do it but thats ok.
The tearing issue is always present when working with silicone. A trade off is always made between tear strength and density. The denser you go the tougher the product, however going too dense limits movement. The free moving skin you mention isn't really that difficult. It comes down to product selection. I have most of that stuff worked out already (ecoflex 0030 if anyone's wondering) I completely agree on the free floating testicles, I have actually seen that done on an item in the past, it is totally possible to do. Tackiness is also a common problem, silicone rubbers are actually an oil and they often secrete the conditioners added to them. It is completely safe and inert though. Cool discussion so far chaps :) keep it going :)
@LordKat, why would you have to move?
Alright, I'll be a tentative third person in that 20. :P
For me, in order from most important to least:
Real look.
Real feel.
Not sticky.
Ability to penetrate (to be specific, anal), without looking like a constant boner in pants.
Free-floating testicles.
Definitely love that movable skin.
STP without the use of a funnel or medicine spoon.
A very thin edge to the tab (such as can be seen on halloween facial prosthetics) that would help blend the prosthetic into the skin.
Some way of feeling it if used for intercourse.
And the option for a foreskin would be nice. :)
I don't want hair on mine, so I don't really care either way about that. :P Oh, and I guess weight will be a big problem! I assume the lighter the prosthetic ends up being, the better chance it has of staying on longer with the right adhesive. For me a big bonus would be the ability to wear it for a few days (or even longer!) without needing to re-apply. Also I'd say my ideal size would probably be about 5.5", or maybe 6.
You're super amazing Isabelle, thanks for taking the time to even consider this! :) I'm sure if you manage to get this going, the 20 people you need will just pour in! :{D
Ok... Speaking generally here, when we provide a prosthetic with a blending edge, to be used with an adhesive it's generally only worn for a few hours. Under studio lights they get sweated off and also, the finer the blend edge, the faster it will tear. Once silicone starts to tear, it's f**cked (for lack of a better word) The tear is irreparable. The edge needs to be fused with a fabric. It would be great to be able to make something that could be worn seamlessly for that long but, human physiology just won't allow it. Sweat and urine are essentially the same thing.. Having it on your skin for that long will cause serious irritation, like nappy rash on a baby. It would also require constant shaving of the public region. Honestly, the best adhesive for that is prosaid and you absolutely don't want that in your hair.
Also, I'd love it if you guys could enlighten me a little about the nature of current stp mechanics? Are there "off the shelf" cup type things? How is fluid flow managed? I'm assuming this is related to the post made earlier about the size of the hole in the head? For obvious reasons (without pressure) the hole needs to be large enough to allow fluid to flow without the interface point acting as a reservoir and overflowing?
This is totally blue sky thinking here but, one would assume if there were some way of joining the prosthetic to the urethral opening, one could make use of the pressure from the wearers bladder muscles. The real design problem here lies in forming a perfect seal between the urethral opening and the tube the transfers the fluid through the prosthesis.... I don't actually have a vagina yet so I'm wondering, can I ask you guys (and I don't mean to use incorrect or triggering terminology, please educate me if my terminology is offensive or insensitive) Would some type of small suction cup be tolerable on that area of anatomy? For the suction to work, the "eye" of the head would have to function as a one way valve. Meaning suction would keep it closed when not passing fluid (like a biological one)
Personally, medicine spoon works great but could be softer like rubber instead of plastic.
LordKat, it would be great if you could link pictures of the devices you're mentioning. It helps me "get it" I can see an item and go "oh, I see how that was produced" whereas a verbal description is harder for me to visualize a manufacture process
I am so down for the suction cup idea! Mainly just because I'm uncomfortable using a medicin spoon or funnel; I have a constant fear of leaking that stops me from STP outside of my house. :( I even once looked into catheters and such I was so desperate, but that proved to be ouchy-inducing research... That said, I believe I'm more likely to be the exception for this one; as I understand it most guys are uncomfortable having to navigate that area of the body.
Also thanks for clearing up the edge thing Isabelle, that makes perfect sense! A real pity though... :(
Do you have any idea as of yet how to make it both an STP and contain a flex rod?
Absolutely, I've found a manufacturer of surgical steel posable pipe that would make a great core for the appliance but, I'm reluctant to go with steel as it doesn't hold heat well. Titanium would be better as it transfers heat nicely. I don't see any point in shooting for perfection if it has an ice cold shaft down the middle lol :) all the positives would be undone in an instant.
I like your heat idea :)
The whole 'not sticky' thing a couple people mentioned... Just put corn starch on it.
I second the "non medicine spoon" thing.. I think most have issues with it, it's tiny.
@ Isabelle, yep; the large hole in the head is to prevent backflow. However, I think some are bigger than they actually need to be.
I'm not sure about the urethra question... my anatomy is too ambiguous. My question is with the 'suction' apparatus. That would have to be pressed onto the urethra? Wouldn't that mean that an individual with a vagina (sorry you guys :() would need to spread open the labia to make direct contact with the urethra? (as opposed to a cup-like structure to pee into that then drained out of the prosthesis).
With an STP, there's also a dilemma of the fact a biological penis is up higher than the prosthesis would need to be to let the urine flow out in a downward way. I think this is no 'true' issue though, simply wear the prosthesis a bit lower -- It would still work just like the 'female urination devices' work.
I wonder if there is someone on this board near by who could meet up with you for testing sake? I mean, for stp trial and error.
Here are some you can look at:
*http://www.whizproducts.co.uk/en/ (http://www.whizproducts.co.uk/en/)
*http://www.go-girl.com/ (http://www.go-girl.com/)
*http://www.freshette.com/ (http://www.freshette.com/)
*http://www.shewee.ca/ (http://www.shewee.ca/)
*http://www.thepstyle.com/ (http://www.thepstyle.com/)
Whatever the stp is, I think it should be a literal part of the prosthetic - no extra pieces.
good discussion so far...
I'm not really in the market for one of these, give me a couple of years and I would be, but I think things like this are very important for advancing what's available for people. The companies that are out there are charging a fortune for less than perfect products and getting away with it because they're the best we've got. If they see this and realise that there are people out there who are making better prosthetics off their own back without a company behind them they might step their game up a bit and better options will be available to the masses. So although I'm not going to be buying one now I'd quite like to contribute because this might end up changing what's available for all of us in the future.
In an ideal world I think I'd like to do away with harnesses and glue and have a magnetic system like what Maxillofacial Surgery sometimes uses, but obviously this isn't something that's going to be possible until we can get real medical prosthesis makers and surgeons on our side and realising the importance of this to us, which may never happen seeing as in some places getting them to understand that some people are satisfied with metoidioplasty and won't want phalloplasty one day. With that mentality it's hard to consider getting them to believe that I'd rather have a very life like and functional prosthetic than something which is less realistic but made of my own skin. Anyway that's kind of a digression, but the thought of it's interested me since I saw an episode of 'Making Faces', a documentary about facial prosthesis. A guy can dream I suppose.
More realistically my ideal prosthetic would have:
-Realistic, retractable foreskin.
-Free moving skin.
-Good colour and detail.
-Realistic feel, and heat, both to the touch and when squeezed.
-Free moving testicals in 3D scrotum.
-Ability to get erect - is an erection rod style thing the only way that can do this or are there better alternatives? Could something like the pump inserts that are put into phalloplasties be used? I'm just sort of wondering aloud here after getting it drummed into me for the last few weeks at college that what's already used isn't always the best way.
-STP that's comfortable to keep in your pants the whole time.
-Something that's big enough for sex but isn't enormous. I would just want to forget about it like the rest of my body until I came to use it, not worry about whether it looked too big.
-Pubic hair only if it's necessary to hide the tab. I think it's a matter of preference though, but hand punched hair is added after the initial mould right? So the people who do order can pick and choose whether or not they want the hair.
As for what you mentioned about the tab having to be fairly thick before it would rip, on the 'Making Faces' documentary I saw the prosthetic nose he had had a thin edge around the outside, I don't know what it's made of and unfortunately I don't think links to the program will work outside of the UK. I've taken a few screenshots off the program to see if you can identify what they're made of/whether it would be something that could be replicated for a penis.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2q3n90x.jpg (http://i48.tinypic.com/2q3n90x.jpg)
http://i48.tinypic.com/2dim4om.jpg (http://i48.tinypic.com/2dim4om.jpg)
http://i49.tinypic.com/wmexf.jpg (http://i49.tinypic.com/wmexf.jpg)
Because these prosthetics were designed to be worn everyday for a long period of time it makes me wonder if there's another material or technique they use to stop them ripping. Would it work to have the main body of the tab thicker and just the extremities of it being thinner maybe? I don't really know anything about silicone or it's properties, just bouncing ideas around because on the nose I showed photos of it was held mostly on by magnets, but the thinner edges were glued down. Maybe it would still tear in time, I really don't know, just wondering how they did it and whether it could be incorporated. If it's completely not feasible then just ignore all of this.
And I just wanted to add that even though I'm not in the market for one of these right now -- there are plenty of other things that I need to sort out before this -- I think it's great what you're doing and if there's any way that we can be of help in sorting out how things are going to work with our anatomy I'm more than willing to try and explain. As I said before, I think things like this are pretty important to improving options for all of us.
My priorities are probably different from most people.
I value function slightly over appearance. Should be able to use easily as an STP and for penetration. One suggestion I have is that if it uses a removable erection rod, that it should have a little nub at the end. If the prosthetic sits over the dick we have then having a nub type thing would provide some sort of sensation. It would be important that it's durable and made of medical grade silicone (making it easy to clean, and it's non porous).
Would be nice to have the option of a base to attach to the body or one for a harness (I wouldn't really want one that is glued). Also, something with a retractable foreskin. I hardly ever see anything that has foreskin.
I'd be happy to buy one of those 20 as well.
There's a (very pricy) prosthetic made in Germany where the receptor part of the STP is actually in the testicles ...which might help with the problem of placement of the prosthetic someone mentioned above.
Personally, I would prefer a circumcised model (the foreskin just sounds like one more part which might tear easily, and it sounds impractical for sex).
My biggest wish, though, would be for the tab not to show. This would be my biggest priority.
Apart from that, it would be great if there were a more "subtle" way of creating an erection, but bending the flex rod upwards is ok as well.
If the testicles/lower tab covered the labia & vagina so it looks like a male anatomy from all angles, wow i would love that.
I'm thinking 5-5,5'' would be a good length for a pack'n'play prosthetic (either 5'' with more girth or 5,5" with less girth, so it doesn't look like i'm hung like a horse)
Quote from: emil on October 16, 2012, 03:41:34 PM
I'd be happy to buy one of those 20 as well.
There's a (very pricy) prosthetic made in Germany where the receptor part of the STP is actually in the testicles ...which might help with the problem of placement of the prosthetic someone mentioned above.
That penis would still have to be placed lower than a bio penis (again, this is NOT a big deal and would not be an elephant in a room) to be able to flow out from between the legs. A bio penis is up higher on the mons pubis. The flow from an STP being used with a bio female anatomy has to be tilted in a downward position to let the steam out since the flow cant travel upwards. It's hard to explain in text, sorry if this is unclear.
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If the testicles/lower tab covered the labia & vagina so it looks like a male anatomy from all angles, wow i would love that.
Sanitation?
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I'm thinking 5-5,5'' would be a good length for a pack'n'play prosthetic (either 5'' with more girth or 5,5" with less girth, so it doesn't look like i'm hung like a horse)
IMO 5'5 is too big for a limp dick. But this is coming from someone who isn't intending to 'play'.
I just want the realism and a device to easily urinate from.
for me honestly, not looking like i have a boner all the time is my biggest issue. than being able to have sex with it is my second. but i also like the idea of the option of foreskin, I'm jewish so i would never have that but i have friends who wish packers came with it. i like the idea of free moving balls. i do not like th medicine spoon its too small. making it less sticky without having to use corn starch its not a big deal just an unnecessary task.
Personally, I'm morally opposed to genital mutilaton on babies for no reason. I consider religion to be not a good enough reason to mutilate babies. Just me. But, I imagine the majority of those interested would be Americans and they seem to prefer their genitals mutilated. Ill make what the majority want.
realistic apearence and feal
3d and free floating testicles
movable skin
stp that is simpler/more fool proof than a medicine spoon
long term attachment w/o harness
erection w/o rod. kinda similar to the Tyron 2 or 3, with the testicle pumping method
ability to get erect and whether or not it has a for skin isn't as important to me, it'd be cool, but no required.
if the stp doesnt function well, i just might as well stay with Reel Magik
thanks for taking the time to try this!
A bit like Nygeel my priorities are slightly different from most...
I'm not terribly interested in erection/penetration/"play" capabilities for practical purposes — but hey if it makes it look and act more like a real penis then I certainly wouldn't complain ;) Effectively all I want is a realistic looking STP device... so, the most important for things for me are a realistic look (including retractable foreskin) and a reasonably reliable STP feature, perhaps similar to what the ultimate prosthetic implements (assuming it could be proven to work). I have used other medicine spoon-type devices and generally they work but I do find them a bit cumbersome — something that requires minimal to no fiddling in your pants would be perfect.
In terms of length, because sexual functionality isn't an issue, I would prefer something a bit smaller — probably around 4" max. Maybe it's because I'm so small but anything above 5" seems really huge to walk around with all day, even if you do intend to use it for sex. I'm guessing multiple lengths would require multiple moulds — would you simply offer one size as an average of what people want?
Regarding your question about hole size it might be worth looking at what Nick from The Transitional Male does. He uses a typical latex/silicone tube and medicine spoon to manufacture his STPs but the hole is a lot smaller than you'd expect. He keeps the tubing slightly recessed into the head so that the hole looks really small but it's close enough to the tip to prevent backflow issues. I'm not sure if that's helpful at all, seeing as I'm not sure whether you plan on using any sort of tubing. I have one of his products if you'd like me to post pictures though?
Quote from: Lord of the Dance on October 17, 2012, 01:31:32 AM
In terms of length, because sexual functionality isn't an issue, I would prefer something a bit smaller — probably around 4" max. Maybe it's because I'm so small but anything above 5" seems really huge to walk around with all day, even if you do intend to use it for sex.
This.
This sounds awesome, I'd definitely be up for joining as one of the 20.
For me, the main purpose is for sex and STP.
As life-like looking and feel, and retractable foreskin would be awesome.
Mainly I just don't want to have to fumble around prior to sex, just whip it out with no need to put in rods or whatnot.
Either a moveable rod or perhaps like somebody suggested the pumps used in erectile devices? Don't know how expensive that would get though.. So basically as close to a biological penis as is possible :)
One problem I do have with my reelmagik is that because it is only attached at the tab at the top, it swings freely forward, so during sex it's basically not in contact with me, and it makes it more difficult to get a feel for what you're doing. Something similar to the ultimate prosthetic with the tab at the back would be great, so it stays fully attached and fully covering at all times.
I also agree it would be nice to have something on the end to allow us to get something from it, like the pleasure rod from love honey.
Also a decent size for sex, I'm just under 6 foot so I'd want something a little more substantial, but I guess that makes me a minority.
Packing a decent size don't really bother me, so a 6" length for sex would be cool, and a decent girth, maybe 5"?
Thanks for all your help though isabelle and hope this helps a little.
It'd be awesome to finally get something practical affordable and by someone who's had real feedback from us all
:)
Quote from: Elliot on October 17, 2012, 06:06:56 AM
Packing a decent size don't really bother me, so a 6" length for sex would be cool, and a decent girth, maybe 5"?
Thanks for all your help though isabelle and hope this helps a little.
It'd be awesome to finally get something practical affordable and by someone who's had real feedback from us all
:)
Limp penises are not 6" though. But I see how this is going to be divided between those who just want something to STP with, and those who want a "pack and play"... Both sides valid.
A thought that comes to mind is for there to just be a basic STP model that takes care of the realistic factor & stp. And then for pack and play an "add on" could be purchased to extend the length (not nec. from Isabelle unless she wanted to create something). There are product like this for bio men who want to extend their penis during sexual encounters.
I am not sure what exactly you guys are doing during sex .. are you 'out' to your partners about it being a prosthetic? or do they believe it is 'real'? Sorry if this is offensive, I truly do not know. I guess my point is just that if partner knew it was a prosthesis, an extender would be understandable and not so embarrassing? Whereas if you're having casual sex and people are thinking it is 'real' then I could see how you'd press for the erection mechanism to be built-in.
justcause, I think for most people it's more about the interruption than anything; I don't want to have to stop kissing my lover so I can say 'Sorry sexy, gimme a sec to pump up my dick', or 'sorry lover, need to put an extension on so you can feel it' etc. To do so would just totally ruin the moment, and also remind us both (right when we're feeling good) that what I have in my pants isn't real.
Well I'm thinking 5" might be a good compromise which would work both for sex and packing. Since according to justcause the prosthetic would have to hang lower than a bio penis, a longer shaft wouldn't really affect the size of the bulge much anyway.
Regarding the question of sanitation, in order for the prosthetic to be used as an STP it would obviously cover the vaginal opening anyway, or else we're back to a medicine spoon/whizz receptable. prosthetics which can be equipped with an STP device are already out there (likereal 2012 and lolajake) starting at $250, so personally i'd love to see a different solution and i believe this is also what attracted people to the "ultimate prosthetic".
Extensions really don't work all that well, i once bought one for my packer and it just felt like there was an extra joint in my dick.
I guess what I'm getting at is, there are products out there for packing and Stp-ing (Likereal) and products for pack&play (reelmagik), but there's currently no 3 in 1 model. Of course the flex rod could be an optional feature...
Quote from: emil on October 17, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
I guess what I'm getting at is, there are products out there for packing and Stp-ing (Likereal) and products for pack&play (reelmagik), but there's currently no 3 in 1 model. Of course the flex rod could be an optional feature...
The peacock is a 3-in-1 but I've never heard of someone actually totally satisfied with it. It's not really a prosthetic and the STP part isn't great at all.
Quote from: Bane on October 17, 2012, 07:21:59 AM
justcause, I think for most people it's more about the interruption than anything; I don't want to have to stop kissing my lover so I can say 'Sorry sexy, gimme a sec to pump up my dick', or 'sorry lover, need to put an extension on so you can feel it' etc. To do so would just totally ruin the moment, and also remind us both (right when we're feeling good) that what I have in my pants isn't real.
^ This
I can cope with the fact that it's a prosthetic when it comes to sex, but I don't want to have to be awkwardly reminded by needing to stop and 'adjust things' around, it's too dysphoric for me and ruins the mood. Thus being able to just whip it out without needing to go get an erection rod is what I'd be looking for. A pump or flex-rod are, for me, a much better compromise.
And although obviously bio guys don't normally pack a flaccid 6", I don't really think it's the length that makes that much difference to the size of the bulge, it's more the balls and girth. My reelmagik is 6" and has never looked like an awkward boner. Obviously not everyone would want 6" I'm just throwing in my tuppence :)
Right, we are all just discussing here in accordance with our personal needs. :)
The prosthetic being cut or uncut is no deal breaker for me, I'd still buy regardless of the decision.
However, I would have to think twice about buying something that was any bigger than 4" in length.
It's just too unrealistic for me to feel good about wearing.
But for those of you who hold sex as a higher priority, I understand the willingness to carry around 6" prosthetic all day.
Some food for thought:
*The average flaccid penis size is no bigger than 4"
*The erections seen in pornos are much larger than majority of people's
*Asian erect penis is around 5"
I wonder if it would be at all viable to offer 2 size options.
Quote from: Alex000000 on October 18, 2012, 12:41:44 AM
The peacock is a 3-in-1 but I've never heard of someone actually totally satisfied with it. It's not really a prosthetic and the STP part isn't great at all.
So what is wrong wtih the STPs currently available, and how do you feel a 'perfect' STP need be engineered?
I feel like it needs to look and feel as realistic as possible AND be usable for sex. I would actually value this over an STP function. Ideally, I'd like something similar to the Reel Magick 4.5 inch (movable skin, prominent 3D floating testicles, highly-realistic and detailed skin, indentation for the bio genitals), but with a better erection system. The rod doesn't seem real enough to me; it bends at an odd angle when erect, and prevents the penis from flopping about naturally in the pants when non erect. I want my cock to move when I walk. Hah. A pump system would be amazing; especially if the shaft got longer and thicker when fully inflated. I'd settle for a hole down the center of the shaft through which I could insert an STP, vibrator or cylinder as needed, though. A realistic, yet functional opening at the head would be wonderful (with my packer, I pull the shaft down when I'm not using the STP tube, so that the hole looks normal...this might be an option?). Also, a movable foreskin and neat, well-punched hair.
The heat-transfer would be great. I hate feeling like I've just got a lump of plastic down there.
As for customer service, color samples and extensive photography would be the best things pretty much ever. I know I'm terrified to put down $700+ for something I don't know for sure will match. Printed colors on a page just aren't the same as the actual plastic. I want to know, in as much detail as possible, what I'm getting for that kind of cash.
I'd love to know more about the process of constructing such a device. I also have a few materials-based questions (I'm making a tutorial on modifying packers and could use the knowledge of a professional makeup/effects person). Can I email you? I hope you wouldn't mind...
You can email me anytime, that goes for everyone, if you have questions or anything that you don't want to post in the thread :)
Question for trans guys, how would the idea of a small silicone suction cup (smaller than a thimble) placed on the urethral opening be? I'm going to start drawing some things up soon and begin some prototyping
I actually love the idea. If it could work it would remove so much hassle and anxiety with having to faff around with receptacle plaacement etc.
Just curious, but how would you calculate how long the tube/suction cup needs to be in order to ensure it reaches/fits the urethral opening properly? I don't know much about... variance in anatomy but I can imagine people of different sizes may need different lengths. Sorry if it's a stupid question — it's just that I've purchased an STP previously and the tube was a bit too long for me. :[ The receptacle was glued to the end as well so trimming it down was a bit difficult...
The reason I'm persuing that idea is there are devices currently available that work that way but they're designed to stop flow in people with bladder problems. I just need to devise I method of allowing fluid to flow without loosing the seal and allowing fluid to spill. I'm dead set against any type of catheter type tube as it would almost certainly lead to UTI's and irritation.
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people :) lol kidding. The tube will be replacable and fed down the length of the prosthetic. I'm trying to ensure the majority of components required for non cosmetic functions are accessible, serviceable and replaceable with off the shelf items. It's cheaper and easier for everyone that way :)
Me! Me! I'm so down for the suction cup thing; if you can find a way to make it work I would love that!
For me look, feel, and use for sex are more important than the STP function though; I'd be happy if just all three of those needs were met. :) I also agree with nowhereboi; photographs and explainations would make me feel a lot more comfortable with the process, and the idea of putting down a hefty chunk of change. Plus that way we can all contribute. :)
I haven't posted any pictures yet cause I havnt started making anything yet, I'm still in the concept stage :)
Of course! I meant more just when it gets to that stage. :)
Oh, well of course :) lots of pictures when I actually start manufacturing something :) some of it will be pretty dull though, machining the negatives for creating cavities in the prosthetic, making moulds etc :)
Would you be comfortable posting your email here? For some reason, I can't access your profile or the email function. Thank you again for taking on this awesome project, by the way. I'm so excited.
It might be cause you're still a new member? I think you have to make 15 or so posts before your account functions normally.
Yeah, I can see that you sent me a PM, I just can't reply.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on October 19, 2012, 12:22:14 AM
I feel like it needs to look and feel as realistic as possible AND be usable for sex. I would actually value this over an STP function. Ideally, I'd like something similar to the Reel Magick 4.5 inch (movable skin, prominent 3D floating testicles, highly-realistic and detailed skin, indentation for the bio genitals), but with a better erection system. The rod doesn't seem real enough to me; it bends at an odd angle when erect
I don't know if you're aware but they (RM) actually offer custom work.
Since it seems you like everything they have to offer, and aren't exclusively looking for an STP, you may want to contact them about using a different rod?
i'm down for the thimble thingy!
but i'd be concerned about back flow
For me, function for sex is not important. I can use something else when I get my freak on :'P. For me, aesthetics and stp function are more important. My issue is that I'm a nudist. Once I get issues like my chest fixed, I'd like to be able to actually get nude XP. I'd basically like something where people don't look at my crotch and think "lol wut?" It doesn't have to be perfect since no guy has the perfect penis. I don't mind if it's a little funny looking, I'd actually prefer it. It would just give it character :'D. While I'd prefer foreskin (since my younger brother is also uncircumcised), it's not 100% necessary. I'll just tell people it was from my kosher days :'P.
Now for STP. I'll be willing to learn with whatever you put on there, I just need it to be anti-microbial. I am so prone to infections, it's not funny @_@. I can't tell you how many times my bladder has become a bacteria orgie ;_;. One time I had an infection for so long because I was getting so use to them, it spread to my left kidney! D: I regret not taking a picture showing how swollen that bastard got @_@. So yeah, as long as it's less likely to give me an infection I'm good with whatever is used :'D.
Darth, I think your username just won Susan's.
I would be keen for one of these as well provided you are willing to ship out of the country.
For me the important things are the following (in order of importance):
Comfort when packing (no more than 4 inches)
Functional STP that doesn't take 5 mins of fiddling with at the urinal
Durability
I would like to be able to "play" with it but for me that's not the most important, as someone else has said I have other ways and means around that.
I was just thinking when you said something about metal, what about airport scanners and the like? I go through a few very sensitive metal detectors as part of my job occasionally . . .
Quote from: Darth_Taco on October 20, 2012, 05:04:52 AM
Now for STP. I'll be willing to learn with whatever you put on there, I just need it to be anti-microbial. I am so prone to infections, it's not funny @_@. I can't tell you how many times my bladder has become a bacteria orgie ;_;. One time I had an infection for so long because I was getting so use to them, it spread to my left kidney! D: I regret not taking a picture showing how swollen that bastard got @_@. So yeah, as long as it's less likely to give me an infection I'm good with whatever is used :'D.
omg.. start taking a product called d-mannos! Google it, it works wonders; you'd probably never get a bladder/uti infection again :)
BTW, urine is sterile. It is the other stuff that's down there that is the problem. Packers are made of a rather impure substance, but the prosthetics, expensive packers (like RM basic) and many of the strap ons are made of silicon which is very neutral and doesn't hold bacteria. Nasty problem for utis. They can be a real issue. Gonna look up the d-mannos stuff.
--Jay J
The only thing that i would love to see, is a stp and a packer that you can pack with east and not having to worryed about the comfort or making sure it always in the right place, and the stp i would like to see that you dont have to fiddle with or worrying about wetting your self while using it in the gents.
Oh the other idea that you can make it look like there is a skin that you can moved up and down on the end bit?
Im guessing it will have to be on the budget area?
Just want to apologise for not being involved in this thread for a while, I've been working lots and not had any time to get this project moving. I havnt forgotten about it though and, will hopefully be able to pick it back up in the next few weeks. Thank you for everyone's input, ideas and concerns thus far, it's been very valuable :)
I want a penis that looks and feels real, can be used to urinate, attaches discretely w/ medical adhesive, and is one size and firmness when flaccid and another, larger size and firmness when erect via some sort of pumping/release mechanism (not unlike the erectile implants that people get in phallo). It should also have some way of stimulating the wearer during sex.
And it should be available for purchase somewhere.
Stepping firmly outside the realm of probability, since I'm just dreaming of the "perfect" prosthesis here... It should also get spontaneously erect when I think sexy thoughts.
I would love an ejaculation feature. I know there are some products out there that do this, but none of them are packers and very few are realistic-looking.
Did this project ever go anywhere? I signed up because this caught my interest in that "ultimate" thread... I was just going to pm Isabelle but I apparently can't for some reason? But I am definitely interested in this.
Hi all, sorry I haven't had time to persue this project lately, I'm simply too busy. I really do want to though so, when things quiet down a little I'll see what I can do.
Not a problem, I understand being busy. Are you still interested in hearing preferred features? I could probably draw a lot of ideas for the function (a lot based on what I saw when the tyron2 had pics up) but I am not sure how much of it would actually work (since tyron2 might not actually exist/function as described). Still, I could draw it all out if you're still interested in that.
By all means, keep the discussion going if you want to :)
For all the guys who are wondering about the tyron (ive seen alot of post of people thinking it doesnt even exist). Well i can tell you now it absolutely does. I originally got a tyron 2 which i didnt have for very long before it broke, as tyron was just starting to work on the phase 3 at that time he gave me the option to send back for repair or wait for the phase 3 and i chose to wait. It was a long wait, all most 3 years but was absolutely worth it. The new attachment tab is genius! The other company's should take note of that. It looks great when it is pumped to erect, and is a perfect size when inflated and when flaccid. Its great but still not perfect, it could be more realistic and obviously no stp, but for pack and play its perfect.
I have no FX experience but I'm researching ways to make my own. I'm hoping to have the finish product 'in hand' (haha) within a year from now. If someone else could come up with something better than my idea, I'd buy it. Here's a list of my must haves and would loves.
Must Haves:
Realistic skin tone and detail
Realistic skin and retractable foreskin
STP
Inflatable for play and realistic firmness when fully inflated
3D testicles and detail inside of the scrotum (feel a sac, notice the tubes, that's what I'm going for)
Would loves:
Punched hair
Ability to attach with adhesive
I agree with you randomroads for "must have". I add "ability to attach with adhesive" as a MUST HAVE !!!! :)
Some sort of insertable rod, or something that you can attach and detach and adjust (for different body types) that gives sexual stimulation. Especially something that those of us who are not on T and do not have a ton of growth can use, too.
@isabelle are you still working on this? I just developed an stp receptacle completely out of 100%platinum silicone that that functions 100%of the time and can be worn comfortably 24/7 even while working out. I have incorporated it into a modified version of the RM packer. No back flow - minor adjusting necessary when it's time to go and it forms a really tight seal.
Let me know! I'd love to contribute to your project.
Curious about any further action on this idea?
It's not exactly a packer idea per se, but something that would be awesome would be a realistic strap-on (preferably with some room for the little guy too), uncut and with movable foreskin. I don't know if this would be impossible to make or not, but it would be incredibly cool if it could exist. It seems all the realistic strap-ons I've found so far have been circumcized, and as a guy who wouldn't have been circumcized it would feel a little odd to have a packer with foreskin and then losing the foreskin during sex. I know, it's a petty issue, but still.
Quote from: LiamG on May 06, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
@isabelle are you still working on this? I just developed an stp receptacle completely out of 100%platinum silicone that that functions 100%of the time and can be worn comfortably 24/7 even while working out. I have incorporated it into a modified version of the RM packer. No back flow - minor adjusting necessary when it's time to go and it forms a really tight seal.
Let me know! I'd love to contribute to your project.
Hey Liam what shape is your STP that is virtually failsafe? I am creatine my own as well and am always curious what works for others.
Hey everyone, just wondering if this is still an ongoing project? or alternatively, has anyone found something that they're super happy with? I'm kind of wanting to fork out for one of these: http://theultimateprosthetic.com/
however, I haven't seen any reviews of their new model, and there are a lot of complaints about the company, even though they are about the older model and are over a year old
Quote from: ookami94 on February 24, 2015, 02:53:26 AM
Hey everyone, just wondering if this is still an ongoing project? or alternatively, has anyone found something that they're super happy with? I'm kind of wanting to fork out for one of these: http://theultimateprosthetic.com/
however, I haven't seen any reviews of their new model, and there are a lot of complaints about the company, even though they are about the older model and are over a year old
I'm really curious to find out about whether or not this product ended up working out after the 'relaunch'. I've seen the video featuring The New Stealth, and whoever this guy is, hoax or not, he has created something beautiful.
Exactly my thoughts, I'd really love to buy one because it looks simply amazing, however I can't justify losing that much money if it isn't reliable
The guy is a liar and should have been charged with fraud. The products are not as nice as they appear either, if he should happen to ship.
--Jay
Quote from: Tripdistrans on February 24, 2015, 03:41:32 AM
I'm really curious to find out about whether or not this product ended up working out after the 'relaunch'. I've seen the video featuring The New Stealth, and whoever this guy is, hoax or not, he has created something beautiful.
The problem with this guy is that he never actually delivers on getting you your prosthetic.
You pay, and he tells you for months that it's on its way, but it never arrives. And by that time, it's too late to file with PayPal or whatever for a refund.
I know I've been trying to recreate the ejaculating feature in the Stealth because it IS gorgeous. I may be overthinking it, but I haven't come up with anything I'm 100% happy with. I can post some of what I've tried.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on February 25, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
The problem with this guy is that he never actually delivers on getting you your prosthetic.
You pay, and he tells you for months that it's on its way, but it never arrives. And by that time, it's too late to file with PayPal or whatever for a refund.
I know I've been trying to recreate the ejaculating feature in the Stealth because it IS gorgeous. I may be overthinking it, but I haven't come up with anything I'm 100% happy with. I can post some of what I've tried.
Paypal has begun doing a pay upon delivery thing, so hopefully if anyone does buy from him, they use that option.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on February 25, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
The problem with this guy is that he never actually delivers on getting you your prosthetic.
You pay, and he tells you for months that it's on its way, but it never arrives. And by that time, it's too late to file with PayPal or whatever for a refund.
I know I've been trying to recreate the ejaculating feature in the Stealth because it IS gorgeous. I may be overthinking it, but I haven't come up with anything I'm 100% happy with. I can post some of what I've tried.
I would really like to see what you've tried. :)
He has very good ideas, but you might look on youtube and see what he actually has done, because it is less impressive, the few people who he has delivered for, aren't always so happy. And of course there is the problem that the guy could very well be charged with fraud.
--Jay
Quote from: aleon515 on February 25, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
He has very good ideas, but you might look on youtube and see what he actually has done, because it is less impressive, the few people who he has delivered for, aren't always so happy. And of course there is the problem that the guy could very well be charged with fraud.
--Jay
what about the videos on his site? I was going more from them than the pictures, its heartbreaking because it has everything I want but is so unreliable
Quote from: Nowhereboi on February 25, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
I know I've been trying to recreate the ejaculating feature in the Stealth because it IS gorgeous. I may be overthinking it, but I haven't come up with anything I'm 100% happy with. I can post some of what I've tried.
I'd also really like to see what you've been working on.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on February 25, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
I know I've been trying to recreate the ejaculating feature in the Stealth because it IS gorgeous. I may be overthinking it, but I haven't come up with anything I'm 100% happy with. I can post some of what I've tried.
I third the want, pics/videos please! :P
On his site? You'd trust something on his site? Yeah he can do one good one, but can he produce many? Something a bit different. But I'll look around later. Hate to see my brothers be ripped off.
--Jay
Quote from: ookami94 on February 26, 2015, 03:42:44 AM
what about the videos on his site? I was going more from them than the pictures, its heartbreaking because it has everything I want but is so unreliable
Quote from: aleon515 on February 26, 2015, 11:37:02 AM
On his site? You'd trust something on his site? Yeah he can do one good one, but can he produce many? Something a bit different. But I'll look around later. Hate to see my brothers be ripped off.
--Jay
There's no way I would actually purchase from him without undeniable proof that it would actually arrive, which for the moment is lacking, however I can't help but be curious after seeing the video of The Stealth. Seeing that, it's hard not to wish that this guy has an inkling of humanity and may some day be able to mass produce items of similar quality.
Yeah I agree. I found a review re: TUP. The review was pulled for objectionable content. I know that happens, but since the review was negative, I have this feeling that it was, I can't recall his name, from TUP got it pulled. I don't much believe anything he could post. Oh yeah, I believe he could make one good good one, but not multiples and send them out in some kind of reasonable time period.
--Jay
Quote from: Tripdistrans on February 26, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
There's no way I would actually purchase from him without undeniable proof that it would actually arrive, which for the moment is lacking, however I can't help but be curious after seeing the video of The Stealth. Seeing that, it's hard not to wish that this guy has an inkling of humanity and may some day be able to mass produce items of similar quality.
I suppose now is the time we discover the ability to mind read and go steal his ideas.. (jk if only)
Well realistically someone COULD "steal" his ideas. Of course, they'd have to figure out how he does them (or at least does them in a model). The ejaculation couldn't be that difficult. There are toys on the market that do this via a little pump and some liquid lube. I'm guessing that's how this is done, anyway.
(I mean we'd hope it would be lube!)
Since he rarely sells his models, it doesn't seem like it would be unethical to use his ideas, unless they were patented (which I doubt). But silicone sculpting is hard work.
--Jay
The ability to grow to denote that genitals are excited.
Color matching. Which I imagine will be the most complicated because most companies give generic 5 colors that are passable but not realistic for everyone.
3D balls are a must.
A fair stp option for those whom happen to a urethra that is set farther back(I mean 3-5inches from the urethra to the mounds).
If possible a merkin option that can withstand the test of time. Especially for those who have coarser hair.
If possible the option to ejackulation.