Hello ladies and gents.
I was just on tumblr and there was this girl that was only 4.5 months on hormones and she already has bigger tits then me. Seems like EVERY T girl is far outpacing me in breast development.
I'm very skinny, I'm underweight with hardly any body fat at 120 lbs and 5'9". I think I don't have boobs cause I'm too skinny. Is this right? I really wanna make the ladies grow. I feel like a 12 year old boy, my cup size is so small I don't even fill my A cup bra. It seems like no matter how hard I try I can never gain weight.
Please help, I don't want to be an adult little girl for the rest of my life. ;~;
Carbs. eat carbs. lots and lots of carbs. Pasta, bread, all that stuff :)
Quote from: Isabelle on October 31, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
Carbs. eat carbs. lots and lots of carbs. Pasta, bread, all that stuff :)
that's "how do I get fatter." ;) If she wants to gain weight...it will not all go to the breasts
With breast development it can take up to 2 years to see results. I wouldn't be comparing your breasts with someone else. That's like two guys comparing their penis and the other wants to know how he can make his as big as his friend's...at four months into puberty...
It has to do with genetics and your hrt.
Give it more time...4 months is nowhere near enough...not even a drop. 4 months your nipples may start to become sensitive.
Yup you're absolutely right Annah, also I somehow missed the 4months thing, sorry. Annah hit the nail on the head, 4 months is nothing, I'm almost 19 months in and mine are really only starting to fill out. I started getting tissue growth around 4 months but actual breast like fatty deposits take ages. I'm a lot older than you though I think, I started shortly after my 30th birthday. Carbs has helped me, I went on a pretty massive calorie restricting diet for about 3 months, stuck below 700 calories a day combined with walking long distances to help me ditch excess muscle and fat, then a carb rich diet combined with walking, the weight has gone back on but it's mainly gone to my thighs, bum and breasts, my waist remained thin and flat. It really does depend a lot on your body type though.
I think you guys misunderstood. Its not ME that's 4 months on hormones, its this other girl I saw that is 4 months on hormones and her boobs are like twice my size! I'm a year and a month on hormones and I barely fill an A cup.
I'm gonna started eating more then my daily calorie needs, which is about 2000. I'm starting with a can of beans. :D
EDIT: Are you saying I should eat less if I want to have a more typical female body? I'm already pretty skinny...
You had it right the first time.
Put on some pounds you are too skinny.
Hrt affects everyone differently :) Look at genetic women, some have more than enough, others have hardly any breasts at all
It really is a luck of the draw kinda thing :) My best advise is to eat a good balanced diet and give it more time, sometimes a good massage technique will help to stimulate growth
Remember, it takes quite a few years (the average is five) for genetic women to grow their boobs out, and even still they sometimes get growth spurts later in life... A prime example of that are my two sisters, nearly nothing for years and now doing just fine in the boob department
Everyone is different aren't they?
I've been on hrt less than a year and mine just about fill my hands. I've been dieting the whole time and am now about 10 stone 4 lbs. Try putting a little weight on, it might work, also I was on progesterone for a while and that maybe helped.
Good luck with your boobs anyway!
Quote from: Siobhan on October 31, 2012, 02:22:37 AM
Everyone is different aren't they?
I've been on hrt less than a year and mine just about fill my hands. I've been dieting the whole time and am now about 10 stone 4 lbs. Try putting a little weight on, it might work, also I was on progesterone for a while and that maybe helped.
Good luck with your boobs anyway!
Just wanted to say you look really pretty in your ava ^-^
For alyx, eat some fatty foods, it wouldn't do you harm since you're skinny, but partly it's genetics. Wait some time, and gain some weight before seeking anything like BA.
Quote from: alyx. on October 31, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
I'm very skinny, I'm underweight with hardly any body fat at 120 lbs and 5'9". I think I don't have boobs cause I'm too skinny. Is this right? I really wanna make the ladies grow. I feel like a 12 year old boy, my cup size is so small I don't even fill my A cup bra. It seems like no matter how hard I try I can never gain weight.
Same problem. 100lbs, 5'3", not even close to filling out an A cup... almost two years on hormones. Weight probably helps, but suffering the time that it takes to gain weight is not easy or fun.
I've been on HRT since 1996 and had not had much development until the last two years when I decided to get regular exercise and eat a healthy balanced diet. Oddly enough as I lost excess weight of sixty five pounds the development took off and is still going strong. I'm 5' 7" and 170 today.
I've been on hrt for almost 9 years and I am barely an a cup but I know its due to my weight. When I did put on some pounds, they were bigger, but not that much more so. Sometimes, things just work out that way. I started at 40. but I still have bigger breasts than my sister who is only a year and a half younger than I am, but she is smaller stature and skinny too.
If you do up your food intake to gain weight, try to balance things out a bit though, don't just go stuffing carbs and anything fatty into yourself, that could lead to putting fat that is hard to get rid of in places you don't want it.
Quote from: Shantel on October 31, 2012, 08:21:45 AM
I've been on HRT since 1996 and had not had much development until the last two years when I decided to get regular exercise and eat a healthy balanced diet. Oddly enough as I lost excess weight of sixty five pounds the development took off and is still going strong. I'm 5' 7" and 170 today.
I didn't get much breast growth in the last 18 years of HRT. It's mostly genetics. I wouldn't start eating unhealthily just to get breast development as that's a fast track to later health problems. There's always BA, which I had myself. I've yet to see if SRS aids breast growth, next year..
Quote from: Ave on October 31, 2012, 02:31:52 AM
Just wanted to say you look really pretty in your ava ^-^
For alyx, eat some fatty foods, it wouldn't do you harm since you're skinny, but partly it's genetics. Wait some time, and gain some weight before seeking anything like BA.
Aww thanks.your so sweet!
The only tip is to gain weight. Eat richer foods. But richer, eh, not toxic. Nuts, potatoes, stuff that's calorie-high but still healthy and nourishing.
And carbs... not really. Go for proteins and fat. Fat, mainly. And unsaturated fats, mostly, because saturated and trans fats aren't any more caloric, but are more unhealthy. Carbs are okay, but don't target them specifically. Because a lot of carbs means you're weakening yourself to diabetes. And complex carbs (starch as in bread, potatoes and oatmeal) are better than simple carbs (sugar) because they make your insulin levels yoyo less quickly. Basically, I think if you follow the nutrition advice for bodybuilding but "forget" to do the exercise, you'll end up putting on fat.
Oh yeah, and I'm a vegetarian, but if you like meat, I think eating a lot of that is pretty effective. Get lean meat though. Animal fat is mostly evil.
And don't gain that weight super fast. I think when you gain weight in a short time, the body tends to deposit it all in a "dump" which might very well be your belly. I think it's best distributed if you gain it gradually.
You could also search for "foods to avoid on a diet" and eat those a lot. x3
It's pretty much genetics and HRT receptivity I doubt that any sort of diet will give you breasts no matter how much weight you manage to put on if you don't develop breasts tissue fat is simply not gonna go there... Of course an healthy lifestyle maximizes your chances though and tbh I think adequate sleep and sleep patterns has a much bigger influence than dieting for fat distribution.
I was one of those lucky girls who experienced very fast breasts growth and my diet was fairly terrible and I didn't exercise at all at the time too but the only thing I did that maybe did something is massaging them 2-3 times a day and hard too it had to hurt. I was also careful to get plenty of good sleep.
Quote from: Seyranna on October 31, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
It's pretty much genetics and HRT receptivity........thing I did that maybe did something is massaging them 2-3 times a day and hard too it had to hurt.
Yes that is so true! Massaging is a definite yes, it increases the blood flow which carries hormones to receptors in breast tissues.
Quote from: Seyranna on October 31, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
It's pretty much genetics and HRT receptivity I doubt that any sort of diet will give you breasts no matter how much weight you manage to put on if you don't develop breasts tissue fat is simply not gonna go there... Of course an healthy lifestyle maximizes your chances though and tbh I think adequate sleep and sleep patterns has a much bigger influence than dieting for fat distribution.
I was one of those lucky girls who experienced very fast breasts growth and my diet was fairly terrible and I didn't exercise at all at the time too but the only thing I did that maybe did something is massaging them 2-3 times a day and hard too it had to hurt. I was also careful to get plenty of good sleep.
^This, 32C after six months and still am below an 18 BMI.
Ave, you cheated with age. :p And again, I please burn for both of those numbers. xD
But Seyranna, that's not entirely true. HRT receptivity isn't everything. No matter their "basic" level (which does vary greatly, but still), breasts still tend to be proportional to total weight. And I feel some people probably have greater change in the breasts according to weight than others, too. So that makes three factors: basic size, weight and how much of that weight goes in the breasts.
I can't say for sure, but it seems very possible that two (for example) 36C girls of similar sizes who both gain 30 pounds will not end up with the same breast size after all the weight is gained.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure at least some improvement can come with weight gain.
Quote from: alyx. on October 31, 2012, 01:10:51 AM
I think you guys misunderstood. Its not ME that's 4 months on hormones, its this other girl I saw that is 4 months on hormones and her boobs are like twice my size! I'm a year and a month on hormones and I barely fill an A cup.
I'm gonna started eating more then my daily calorie needs, which is about 2000. I'm starting with a can of beans. :D
EDIT: Are you saying I should eat less if I want to have a more typical female body? I'm already pretty skinny...
there's no way she got boobs in 4 months of hrt. I believe you...but there is def more to the story on her part.
I had boobs before HRT...but I am also intersex too. So for me, HRT doesn't count and I wouldnt have been comparing my boobs to another transgender girl because if i had breasts before..it would be kinda "mean" to show off.
She also probably had manboobs prior and the HRT is helping her along the way.
She's probably wearing a push up bra.
There are so many possibilities and explanations. But one thing is for sure...some does not go from flat chested to boobs after 4 months of HRT. It just doesn't work like that.
All in all, don't worry about it. Be yourself. You'll be ok :)
I didn't mention my breasts size because I didn't want to rub it in the face of people who've been less lucky than I have. As if I could gloat about something that I never had any control over anyways. It IS possible, and this is coming from someone who didn't expect much in terms of breasts growth, especially considering I wasn't even binary identified so I didn't particularly want breasts like ASAP. So at two months HRT breasts buds started and somewhere between the 4-5 months I got fitted a 36B. Not perfectly round and fully filled up mind you but still needless to say I was flabbergasted. Next thing you know I realized that I had bigger breasts than at least 3 cis women at work. Since then they are still filling up but I didn't notice further growth even though they still hurt. So they just grew really fast but capped early, kinda like fat redistribution on my face it also happened drastically at the 4-5 month range then stabilized and I expected it to take place more around the 7-9 month mark like most vids I had seen on youtube.
Quote from: Seyranna on October 31, 2012, 11:45:19 PM
I didn't mention my breasts size because I didn't want to rub it in the face of people who've been less lucky than I have. As if I could gloat about something that I never had any control over anyways. It IS possible, and this is coming from someone who didn't expect much in terms of breasts growth, especially considering I wasn't even binary identified so I didn't particularly want breasts like ASAP. So at two months HRT breasts buds started and somewhere between the 4-5 months I got fitted a 36B. Not perfectly round and fully filled up mind you but still needless to say I was flabbergasted. Next thing you know I realized that I had bigger breasts than at least 3 cis women at work. Since then they are still filling up but I didn't notice further growth even though they still hurt. So they just grew really fast but capped early, kinda like fat redistribution on my face it also happened drastically at the 4-5 month range then stabilized and I expected it to take place more around the 7-9 month mark like most vids I had seen on youtube.
Agreed, it's different for everyone just like for cis girls going through puberty. At one month I got breast buds and they are having growth spurts every week it seems. I was told to look at your closest female relative for comparison which is my sister. She developed quicker than other girls and is a natural D.
Fingers crossed ;D
Annah, as I said, both factors count. Make most above-average-breasted women lose a lot of weight, and their breasts will shrink. How much they shrink will depend on the person, but still. It's by no means always true, but most skinny girls are going to be in the A realm, just like alyx, and I doubt, unless they just can't gain weight, they're all doomed to that size. So I don't think it's accurate to declare that having small breasts means you weren't receptive to HRT and thus you won't ever get much of them.
I say, as long as some breast tissue has developed (that is, having something there as compared to no breasts at all), it is possible for fat to deposit there in a female pattern. And just like some women have more fat on the hips or thighs or butt or whatever, I think that there's a different factor that influences how much fat goes in the breasts.
In a mathematical way, we could say that in the equation Size = Ax + B, x being weight, everyone has both a different A and B. Or so I think, at least.
It also depends on how much fat one has on the chest and tummy area. Small perky breasts look much larger on a slim girl and the same size a bigger heavier girl.
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Ok... I have to ask about this breast massage business.
Go to YouTube videos, there's a pretty good one there on the how to's by a young trans woman. As for me when I'm showering I make two fists, knuckles against the breasts and work my way around them with a little pressure, press the nipples into the glands a bit. Get the sides, bottoms and especially the tops all the way to your collar bones. It just promotes a lot of good circulation and feels refreshing. I do it again when the bra comes off at night because the poor ( . )( . )'s have been crushed all day long and tell me "Shan, we need a break!" :D
I just palm them and and apply a certain pressure( depending on how much they hurt) and make rotations from the inside to the outside.
Everybody is different when it comes to this. I've seen plenty of folks here on Susan's who said they never developed a lot and some who said things kicked in quite late. Here's something I believe, though, that hasn't been mentioned. Let me say first that I'm no expert on this stuff.
It's generally known that pubescent girls who are athletic tend to delay breast development or and usually have rather small breasts. This is clearly observable by looking at an Olympic gymnastics team. If you are very physically active, you might try easing it back some. Apparently a high degree of physical activity can affect hormones in female development.
In another thread here a young transwoman said she actually started HRT in her mid teens, but didn't get much in the breast department until college. Then she was, as she put it, a "Victoria's Secrets model". Anyway, relax give it time and what will be will be. Many women live very happy and feminine lives with very small busts.
~ Lyric ~
I really didn't see anything too significant til my second year. I started taking some micro progesterone and that actually helped my breast development. But yes, I think genetics plays a big part. My mom and sister have big boobs so I am hoping I will have some decent sized ones.
Quote from: Shantel on October 31, 2012, 08:21:45 AM
I've been on HRT since 1996 and had not had much development until the last two years when I decided to get regular exercise and eat a healthy balanced diet. Oddly enough as I lost excess weight of sixty five pounds the development took off and is still going strong. I'm 5' 7" and 170 today.
WOW! That is fantastic!! I"m hoping to head in that direction soon. I'm a caregiver to my child and it's been hard to get to the gym but I'm trying. This inspired me.
Quote from: Lyric on November 02, 2012, 10:33:37 AMApparently a high degree of physical activity can affect hormones in female development.
I think this is less linked to physical activity per se than it is to a low body fat percentage, which is what most athletic people have. I think exercise shouldn't hurt as long as you're not losing all of your fat because of it, in which case the breasts will lose some, of course.
It varies acording to a lot of factors.My endo was amazed at the breast development I had after 5 months(I had been DYI),but I have Klinefleter's syndrome(XXY chromosomes) and my mother had DD's,and after all, I am my mother's daughter!
Quote from: A on November 02, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
I think this is less linked to physical activity per se than it is to a low body fat percentage, which is what most athletic people have. I think exercise shouldn't hurt as long as you're not losing all of your fat because of it, in which case the breasts will lose some, of course.
You're probably right but isn't there a correlation between higher levels of testosterone and physical activity even in women? Just asking I don't really know.
I think genetics plays more into it than anything. My sister is a marathon runner, and a triathlete. She is very slender, but had to have a breast reduction because she had DDs. In fact, all of my sisters have had to have reductions because of health concerns. The biggest one was in the high EEs.
I have no idea, Seyranna.
Quote from: A on November 02, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
I think this is less linked to physical activity per se than it is to a low body fat percentage, which is what most athletic people have. I think exercise shouldn't hurt as long as you're not losing all of your fat because of it, in which case the breasts will lose some, of course.
Here's a line from the Wikipedia entry on "Delayed puberty" under "Possible Causes":
"In females, prolonged high level of physical exertion, e.g. from being an athlete"
I've read articles on this before. I'm pretty sure it's more than simple fat loss. There seems to be a connection between high levels of activity and hormonal development.
~ Lyric ~
Quote from: Lyric on November 03, 2012, 10:49:39 AM
Here's a line from the Wikipedia entry on "Delayed puberty" under "Possible Causes":
"In females, prolonged high level of physical exertion, e.g. from being an athlete"
I've read articles on this before. I'm pretty sure it's more than simple fat loss. There seems to be a connection between high levels of activity and hormonal development.
~ Lyric ~
Absolutely, a lot of those little girls on the gymnastic teams don't have their period or experience further breast development until they quit the team and go back to a normal life. Adult women athletes sometimes push themselves to the point that their body fat goes to around 11%, their periods stop and their boobs all but disappear.
I would guess that being constantly very active would put all of the body's ressources towards the muscles, and would tell the body that there's something more urgent than maturation. Makes sense.
Quote from: A on November 03, 2012, 12:59:00 PM
I would guess that being constantly very active would put all of the body's ressources towards the muscles, and would tell the body that there's something more urgent than maturation. Makes sense.
A lot of those girls that participate in the Olympics have inadvertently put their physical maturation on hold and many never get any larger breast size beyond minis. Oh well, we know that boobs aren't what makes the woman anyway!
Quote from: Shantel on November 03, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
Absolutely, a lot of those little girls on the gymnastic teams don't have their period or experience further breast development until they quit the team and go back to a normal life. Adult women athletes sometimes push themselves to the point that their body fat goes to around 11%, their periods stop and their boobs all but disappear.
This, I don't think it's really excercise alone, it's body fat percentage, healthy women usually have around 20% and that's why some girls with ED's drop enough weight that they stop having their periods and such.
A few of my trans friends said that caffeine could have an influence on breast development. Apparently, if you drink caffeine, it can inhibit breast development.
Here is something I had found out about from a conversation I had with a female naturopathic doctor that most MD's specializing in transgender medications either don't consider or fail to discuss, probably because MtF's are usually past puberty when starting transition and will never get pregnant. It concerns prolactin and it's effects on breast development. Here is a short article that corresponds to that conversation.
"Your body generally only secretes prolactin at two specific times: during puberty and during pregnancy. Because it plays such a key role in breast development, though, prolactin is one hormone that you definitely want to get to know. During puberty, prolactin works with estrogen to develop the mammary glands, while increasing the number of estrogen receptors in the breasts. Prolactin also causes the breasts to store fat by increasing the production of lipoprotein lipase (LPL) in your breasts.5 LPL is a "fat storage" enzyme. During pregnancy and while nursing, prolactin controls the production of milk. It is first secreted around the eighth week of pregnancy and peaks at birth. After that, prolactin is only produced according to stimulation - namely, a baby suckling at your nipple. Interestingly enough, you don't actually have to be pregnant to produce prolactin. Adequate prolactin levels are absolutely crucial for triggering breast growth.
Growth hormone, as the name implies, triggers the growth of your body. It also plays a special role in breast development. Growth hormone is so important that it is one of your body's most plentiful hormones. It is produced by the pituitary gland during the first two hours of sleep. Almost immediately after it's secreted, growth hormone is converted in the liver into a new, more usable substance known as Insulin like Growth Factor (IGF). Growth hormone could be thought of as your body's "Master Hormone" since it regulates every other hormone you've got. Growth hormone is produced in massive amounts during puberty, promoting the growth of cells, tissues, and organs. Without enough growth hormone, your body and your breasts simply wouldn't grow. As an adult, growth hormone is involved in tissue repair and cell replacement. Unfortunately, growth hormone levels start to plummet after the age of thirty. By the time you hit sixty, your growth hormone level could be 75% lower than it was when you were twenty! Low growth hormone levels are directly responsible for the aging of the body. Breast enlargement requires a lot of growth hormone. You had a ton of it at your disposal during puberty, but if you're over the age of eighteen, you're going to have to boost it back up in order to get your breasts to grow again."
Quote from: TessaM on November 04, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Ok so prolactin can contribute to breast development? Is this something that requires a prescription? When is it produced during puberty? And are these effects permanent? I want more boobage, im closing in on 9 months hrt so I hope I still have lotsa development to go. Anymore info on HGH and its effects on us? I am 20 y/o, ill be 21 in a couple of months, not too far from 18 or puberty but I worry every day that I missed the "golden" time to start hrt.
I'll PM you Tessa.
Quote from: Brooke777 on November 04, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
A few of my trans friends said that caffeine could have an influence on breast development. Apparently, if you drink caffeine, it can inhibit breast development.
Ack. I really hope not. I need caffeine.
Besides, I think my breasts are coming along, although they're not breaking any speed records. At the moment, my right is out-pacing my left slightly >:( not particularly worried though.
I've been definitely eating a diet higher in fats and carbohydrates, and I'm up to about 133 at 5'10". The fat's mostly going to my butt and thighs, but it's also (more slowly) accumulating in my breasts.
Quote from: Brooke777 on November 04, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
A few of my trans friends said that caffeine could have an influence on breast development. Apparently, if you drink caffeine, it can inhibit breast development.
Was drinking 3-5 cups of coffee a day. Had B cups by the fifth month of HRT.
/myth debunked
About growth hormones I remember having exceptionally good sleep patterns when I started HRT. Going to bed early and waking up with the sun and I'm sure that growth hormones work at their best in these conditions. Being in deep sleep at the appropriate time of the night might get you far in terms of fat redistribution too.
circadian rhythm FTW in this case I'm sure.
Quote from: Shantel on November 04, 2012, 10:36:02 AM
Here is something I had found out about from a conversation I had with a female naturopathic doctor that most MD's specializing in transgender medications either don't consider or fail to discuss, probably because MtF's are usually past puberty when starting transition and will never get pregnant. It concerns prolactin and it's effects on breast development. Here is a short article that corresponds to that conversation.
"Your body generally only secretes prolactin at two specific times: during puberty and during pregnancy. Because it plays such a key role in breast development, though, prolactin is one hormone that you definitely want to get to know. During puberty, prolactin works with estrogen to develop the mammary glands, while increasing the number of estrogen receptors in the breasts. Prolactin also causes the breasts to store fat by increasing the production of lipoprotein lipase (LPL) in your breasts.5 LPL is a "fat storage" enzyme. During pregnancy and while nursing, prolactin controls the production of milk. It is first secreted around the eighth week of pregnancy and peaks at birth. After that, prolactin is only produced according to stimulation - namely, a baby suckling at your nipple. Interestingly enough, you don't actually have to be pregnant to produce prolactin. Adequate prolactin levels are absolutely crucial for triggering breast growth.
J Appl Toxicol. 2012 Jan;32(1):1-9. doi: 10.1002/jat.1772. Epub 2011 Nov 17.
Hypothesis: prolactin is tumorigenic to human breast: dispelling the myth that prolactin-induced mammary tumors are rodent-specific.
Harvey PW.
Source
Covance Laboratories, Otley Road, Harrogate, North Yorkshire, HG3 1PY, UK. philip.harvey@covance.com
Abstract
The commonly held assumption that rodent mammary tumors resulting from elevated prolactin are species-specific, or not biologically relevant to humans, is incorrect. Substantial epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence now exists confirming the role of prolactin in human breast cancer. This evidence is evaluated and the argument presented that the tumorigenic risk from prolactin is therefore not species-specific to rodents but directly applies to humans. Further, as the mechanisms of prolactin-induced mammary tumor promotion and development appear analogous between rodents and humans, mammary tumorigenic findings in rodent carcinogenicity bioassays are both predictive and biologically relevant to the human response. Toxicologists and regulators need to consider this in carcinogenicity risk assessments.
Quote from: peky on November 04, 2012, 11:55:58 AM
J Appl Toxicol. 2012 Jan;32(1):1-9. doi: 10.1002/jat.1772. Epub 2011 Nov 17.
Hypothesis: prolactin is tumorigenic to human breast: dispelling the myth that prolactin-induced mammary tumors are rodent-specific.
Harvey PW.
Source
Covance Laboratories, Otley Road, Harrogate, North Yorkshire, HG3 1PY, UK. philip.harvey@covance.com
Abstract
The commonly held assumption that rodent mammary tumors resulting from elevated prolactin are species-specific, or not biologically relevant to humans, is incorrect. Substantial epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence now exists confirming the role of prolactin in human breast cancer. This evidence is evaluated and the argument presented that the tumorigenic risk from prolactin is therefore not species-specific to rodents but directly applies to humans. Further, as the mechanisms of prolactin-induced mammary tumor promotion and development appear analogous between rodents and humans, mammary tumorigenic findings in rodent carcinogenicity bioassays are both predictive and biologically relevant to the human response. Toxicologists and regulators need to consider this in carcinogenicity risk assessments.
Uh-huh, that's why prolactin is a naturally occurring hormone in women during breast development and becomes elevated during lactation while breast feeding. The concern is about women who have been using prolactin boosters in large if not massive doses to increase lactation for breast feeding. Initially all of those meds are intended to be taken in normal dosage levels as a relief for digestive problems, a side effect is elevated prolactin levels. If one was to exceed the recommended dosages of any medication it can most certainly lead to severe health risks or even death. That's why we don't discuss hormone dosages here and recommend a consultation with a licensed MD before taking any medications. Case in point: Spironolactone was originally intended for use as a diuretic for patients with kidney function problems but one of the side effects is that it blocks the activity of testosterone. Some of the finistride based medications intended for relief of enlarged prostates has a known side effect of blocking the action of DHT causing hair loss. It would be grossly unfair to post a negative statement about using either for the sake of sounding authoritative and scaring the bejeebers out of people when common sense tells us that anything taken in excess will cause health problems and possibly premature death including food.
Quote from: Seyranna on November 04, 2012, 11:25:46 AM
Was drinking 3-5 cups of coffee a day. Had B cups by the fifth month of HRT.
/myth debunked
About growth hormones I remember having exceptionally good sleep patterns when I started HRT. Going to bed early and waking up with the sun and I'm sure that growth hormones work at their best in these conditions. Being in deep sleep at the appropriate time of the night might get you far in terms of fat redistribution too.
circadian rhythm FTW in this case I'm sure.
I'm wondering how much mine will grow if I quite caffeine. I have B cups now, I wonder if they will hit C if I stop.
Quote from: Brooke777 on November 04, 2012, 09:44:48 PM
I'm wondering how much mine will grow if I quite caffeine. I have B cups now, I wonder if they will hit C if I stop.
Mine too. As much coffee as I drink I would be a D or DD now. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FAnimals%2Fferret-9.gif&hash=42bd2ee88d4ddc91007b3b25799f543e9ee358f1)
Bigger is not necessarily better
Quote from: Jamie D on November 04, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
Bigger is not necessarily better
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Wow, those things are going to be tricky when she's 30 years older.
Quote from: Jamie D on November 04, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
Bigger is not necessarily better
Must...resist...urge...to..pop!
Quote from: Jamie D on November 04, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
Bigger is not necessarily better
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OMG how repulsive! Where's my hat pin? Everybody stand back....ack! Boom!
there is always breast augmentation
Anyway. Peky, what you wrote looks kind of interesting, but like all abstracts of all studies in English, I don't understand it in the slightest. If you could "translate" it for me, I'd be grateful.
People, don't panic on caffeine. Studies are beginning to show that maybe it inhibits growth. Maybe. Perhaps. If it has an effect, it's probably minor.
Shantel, that thing you're PMing people about... I think you should post it here. I'm pretty sure it's not against the rules, and if it is, you can surely censor stuff to make it okay. Because I feel pretty much everyone, like me, wants to know.
Quote from: Isabelle on October 31, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
Carbs. eat carbs. lots and lots of carbs. Pasta, bread, all that stuff :)
...and then you will have a big fat pot belly! and no boobs!
Quote from: TessaM on November 04, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Ok so prolactin can contribute to breast development? Is this something that requires a prescription? When is it produced during puberty? And are these effects permanent? I want more boobage, im closing in on 9 months hrt so I hope I still have lotsa development to go. Anymore info on HGH and its effects on us? I am 20 y/o, ill be 21 in a couple of months, not too far from 18 or puberty but I worry every day that I missed the "golden" time to start hrt.
I'm not convinced. My prolactin levels are always very high and through the roof, yet my boobs are extremely small.
Gotta add here that while there are many factors, luck is undeniably a major one. Even if eating apples favoured the growth of breasts, it wouldn't mean it would work on everyone. Similarly, even if you eat tons of "anti-cancer" foods, it's not guaranteed that you won't die from a cancer.
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