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Community Conversation => Transsexual talk => Male to female transsexual talk (MTF) => Topic started by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 09, 2012, 09:10:06 PM

Title: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 09, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
Sponsored by the Transgender Law Clinic...Awaiting a conference on transgender people in the arts. Julia Serano is here and others. I don't see a single person I know...I used to be involved with TLC, was a good friend of Chris Kelly, the head lawyer...oh well, I guess that means I have assimilated...or something. The conference runs through Sunday...$50 but it is sliding scale.

Tobi Hill-Meyer, Annie Danger, Danna Morrigan,  and Kai M. Green is here....
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Ave on November 09, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
Tobi-Hill Mayer?

REALLY????

and greetings??

lol ::) ::)
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Devlyn on November 09, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Mayer or Meyer? Someone got it wrong! And hi! I thought Connie was going, too. Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Jamie D on November 09, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Ave on November 09, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
Tobi-Hill Mayer?

REALLY????

and greetings??

lol ::) ::)

"Tobi Hill-Meyer is just about your average multiracial, pansexual, transracially inseminated queerspawn, genderqueer, transdyke, colonized mestiza, pornographer, activist, writer." (HotMovies.com)

And appeared in porn.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Constance on November 09, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
Yeah, I'll be there tomorrow. TLC sponsored my attendance so I could be part of their "My Authentic Life" interview project.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Michelle G on November 10, 2012, 12:35:40 AM
If I wasn't so swamped with work I would love to come over, sounds interesting and would be nice to meet you and Connie.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Constance on November 10, 2012, 07:33:24 PM
I didn't stay at the Summit for very long. In fact by the time my interview was over sessions were already in progress and I didn't want to barge in late. So, I just packed up and went home.

Really, I had accomplished what I came there for. A rep from the Transgender Law Center wanted me to come and talk about my life as a trans parent and as a parent of a gender non-conforming (adult) child. Since I had come to give to the Summit and not take from it, I felt it was okay to leave the Summit early.

From what the cameraman said, the videoed interviews could get posted on TLC's web site. I'll keep an eye out for it.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Siobhan on November 11, 2012, 03:30:05 AM
Sounds cool I would have liked to meet julia, im reading whipping girl atm.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 11:05:13 AM
I spoke with Julia after the conference. She is very nice. We talked about maybe exchanging some theories on gender. I am a history major and although I don't think I will minor in GWS, I am going to take some gender/trans studies courses and am thinking about a book....maybe about the history of ->-bleeped-<-...as well as addressing this nonsense:  Janice Raymond's The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male (1979) where she writes :

QuoteAll transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves. However, the transsexually constructed lesbian-feminist violates women's sexuality and spirit, as well. Rape, although it is usually done by force, can also be accomplished by deception. 

Getting someone like her--Julia not Raymond--to write the forward would help me get it published.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Siobhan on November 18, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
Wow. That's a horrid viewpoint on many levels.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: Siobhan on November 18, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
Wow. That's a horrid viewpoint on many levels.

Oh wow! This is stuff every TG should know about it. Here is a link from the Stanford Encyclopedia on Philosophy. Except for the Stanford Band, the only positive contribution made by this unaccredited Junior College.  ::)

Transfeminist Theory (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-trans/)

Funny that she calls it an Empire when for many transwomen--just take a walk in the Tenderloin--it becomes a ghetto.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Arch on November 18, 2012, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
Oh wow! This is stuff every TG should know about it. Here is a link from the Stanford Encyclopedia on Philosophy. Except for the Stanford Band, the only positive contribution made by this unaccredited Junior College.  ::)

Please clarify your intent; this post comes across as a bash of Stanford. That's Stanford University, by the way.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: tekla on November 18, 2012, 04:15:04 PM
Yeah, if you're going to bash a school I'd pick on one that didn't outdo yours in most criteria (including a 21-3 drubbing in your own house this year).  Cal is perhaps one of the greatest public universities, but it is a public university, and the differences are substantial (speaking as someone who went to both public and private universities), I mean, Stanford is what college campuses can look like if cost and money are no object.  Besides, outside the Bay Area most people are not aware of this huge inner-school rivalry (my Stanford Grad friend says that no one outside of Berkeley is aware of it).
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
The TOS has rules against bashing a college that was founded by, quite accidentally, a robber baron?

BTW truth is the ULTIMATE defense.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: tekla on November 18, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
Oh, now your on to Vandy?
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 18, 2012, 04:15:04 PM
Yeah, if you're going to bash a school I'd pick on one that didn't outdo yours in most criteria (including a 21-3 drubbing in your own house this year).  Cal is perhaps one of the greatest public universities, but it is a public university, and the differences are substantial (speaking as someone who went to both public and private universities), I mean, Stanford is what college campuses can look like if cost and money are no object.  Besides, outside the Bay Area most people are not aware of this huge inner-school rivalry (my Stanford Grad friend says that no one outside of Berkeley is aware of it).

Did you know that at Stanfurd, it is impossible to fail a course??? Don't even get me started about the Folks Down on the Farm. They do have a good football team though. Besides that, Condi Rice, not much else.

And I guess if having a good football team is what matters, we should be praising Oklahoma. And how many Nobel Prizes have Stanford grads received. And where was the Manhattan Project developed? If it were not for us Bears, we might all be speaking Russian...or dead! Stanfurd! Gimme a break.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 18, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
Oh, now your on to Vandy?

No Lelund Stanfurd. sp?

BTW I could list dozens of ways why Cal beats $tanfurd but I have to actually study to get MY grades.

And BTW the most jarring exciting and unbelievable play in College Football history involved Cal beating $tanfurd.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Constance on November 18, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
The TOS has rules against bashing a college that was founded by, quite accidentally, a robber baron?

BTW truth is the ULTIMATE defense.
The truth is that Stanford University is indeed accredited, as per the following link on their web site.

https://wasc.stanford.edu/ (https://wasc.stanford.edu/)

What links and/or sources can you provide to support your "truth" that Stanford is an "unaccredited Junior College"?

And before anyone asks, No: I am not a Stanford alum and I have not attended any brick-and-mortar university. I completed an associate's program in Information Technology from University of Phoenix Online, which is accredited, too.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Why is it some here cannot recognize obvious satire?
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Siobhan on November 18, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
Oh wow! This is stuff every TG should know about it. Here is a link from the Stanford Encyclopedia on Philosophy. Except for the Stanford Band, the only positive contribution made by this unaccredited Junior College.  ::)

Transfeminist Theory (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-trans/)

Funny that she calls it an Empire when for many transwomen--just take a walk in the Tenderloin--it becomes a ghetto.
She's just someone who blindly hates. There is no reasoning with people like that.
Reading it made me very angry and upset tbh.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Arch on November 18, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Why is it some here cannot recognize obvious satire?

I tend to recognize satire that is skillfully done. Unfortunately, satire is a fairly difficult form, and one emoticon does not necessarily clarify a writer's intent.

There is no ToS rule about bashing schools, but Stanford does have a pretty decent rep and some awards to back it up. Stanford folks have had their share of Nobels as well as other awards, and calling the school unaccredited is rather below the belt, don't you think?

You might think about how your remarks come across to others. I mean, if I wanted to be snide, I could easily start comparing Cal with another school (such as, say, Harvard) whose people have produced more Nobel laureates, or I could bring in Caltech, which is a tiny school with a very disproportionately high percentage of Nobel winners. If I were actually affiliated with one of those schools (I'm not), people would probably think I was trying to pump myself up by attempting to make Cal look less significant than it really is.

Cal is a great school, and you are a student there. Why not just leave it at that?
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: Arch on November 18, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
I tend to recognize satire that is skillfully done. Unfortunately, satire is a fairly difficult form, and one emoticon does not necessarily clarify a writer's intent.

There is no ToS rule about bashing schools, but Stanford does have a pretty decent rep and some awards to back it up. Stanford folks have had their share of Nobels as well as other awards, and calling the school unaccredited is rather below the belt, don't you think?

You might think about how your remarks come across to others. I mean, if I wanted to be snide, I could easily start comparing Cal with another school (such as, say, Harvard) whose people have produced more Nobel laureates, or I could bring in Caltech, which is a tiny school with a very disproportionately high percentage of Nobel winners. If I were actually affiliated with one of those schools (I'm not), people would probably think I was trying to pump myself up by attempting to make Cal look less significant than it really is.

Cal is a great school, and you are a student there. Why not just leave it at that?

That is a very tortured response for a little bit of $tanfurd bashing. And if you want to engage in a debate about Cal against any University on the planet. Bring it on. Of course, since it does not violate TOS why don't you let me have my fun. And leave it at that.

And BTW "I tend to recognize satire that is skillfully done." is clearly an ad hominem attack directed to me.

Here is a link to the most unbelievable, the most incredible, the most exciting play in the history of college football.

http://youtu.be/5bhbuEDYHho (http://youtu.be/5bhbuEDYHho)


Anyway, see you all in a few weeks after finals. Again, unlike $tanfurd Junior College, I need to earn my grades.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Arch on November 18, 2012, 09:50:52 PM
More like an amused response, but see how easily people can be misconstrued in print? ;)

Nice deflection, by the way. But I should point out that your ad hominem attack was no such thing; it was a critique of one particular post. Good try, though.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: tekla on November 18, 2012, 10:26:06 PM
Same thing that I always want to relate to Rush Limbaugh and the Republicans - in order for something to be a joke, it kinda has to be funny first.  If no one is getting the joke, it could be you're mistaken about it being humor. 

And where was the Manhattan Project developed? If it were not for us Bears, we might all be speaking Russian...or dead!

Interestingly enough the theoretical work was mostly done at Princeton (the parts that had not already been done in Europe, in advance of the war itself, the experimental work at U of Chicago, what Cal did was supply the staff for the construction segment at Los Alamos (one of 12 sites of the project), so, no, the Manhattan Project was not developed at Cal.  And it's also quite a reach for anyone to think that had we not had atomic weapons we'd all be speaking Russian.  Russia never had any plans to invade and/or conquer the US - Red Dawn movies not withstanding.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Arch on November 18, 2012, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: tekla on November 18, 2012, 10:26:06 PM
Red Dawn movies not withstanding.

How dare you slam that great documentary!

If it weren't for the great vision of the ever-lovin' U.S. guvmint, there wouldn't have been a Manhattan Project at all. Still, there's plenty of credit to go around...the scientific talent came from everywhere, after all. But wasn't J. Robert a Cal man? Fermi I don't remember, but of course, he was Italian until he became a U.S. citizen.

Oops, way off topic.

I went to one of the Summits a little while back but didn't find it particularly useful. I'm not an activist type, and I wasn't interested in networking. But I wanted to experience it once, anyway.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: tekla on November 18, 2012, 11:41:38 PM
Actually a lot of the heavy lifting for that was done at Oak Ridge, which due to travel stuff was staffed with lots of Princeton, Chicago and Harvard types, Cal staffed Los Alamos, because it had the best physics department in the West.  They staffed Hanford too, but no one ever talks about that.  By the end the Project had over 120,000K people working on it, kinda hard to give credit to just one guy, who is primarily remembered for the security problems after the war.
Title: Re: Greetings from the Transgender Leadership Summit at UC Berkeley
Post by: Shana A on November 19, 2012, 07:24:39 AM
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 18, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
That is a very tortured response for a little bit of $tanfurd bashing. And if you want to engage in a debate about Cal against any University on the planet. Bring it on. Of course, since it does not violate TOS why don't you let me have my fun. And leave it at that.

[...]

Anyway, see you all in a few weeks after finals. Again, unlike $tanfurd Junior College, I need to earn my grades.

Rule 10

10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:

Stanford could be considered a group, thus your "satirical" post is in violation of TOS. Topic locked.

Good luck with your finals!