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Skyfall, the 23rd James Bond movie is now it theaters.

So who do you like?

For me it has to be Sean Connery.

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Seconded.

The new guy. Second choice, Roger Moore.

Sean Connery was, in many ways, a very cruel Bond. Roger Moore got subsumed by the gadgets. Does anyone ever remember David Niven or George Lazenby as Bond? I really liked Timothy Dalton and I thought that Pierce Brosnan started well but Die Another Day had some ludicrous moments that put me off it. That brings me to Daniel Craig.....

Simply put, Daniel Craig is wonderful at it and carries the part so, so well. I like that he depends on little but his wits and his gun and that he is such an imperfect character full of flaws. I feel that he is a more rounded character and that many of the earlier bonds were "2 dimensional" in comparison.

Guess who I voted for?

Connery built the role - It will always be his.  But damn girl!   That Daniel Craig is terrific...

Still Sean Connery,Pierce Brosnan was good too.Yet to see Daniel Craig so i don't know

Oh, Danny Boy you make me so....

Personally I'd love to see Denzel Washington (or slightly less, Wesley Snipes) get a chance do it once. 

PB is kind of a small tragedy.  They wanted (and so did he) him to do Bond, but he was under contract to do Remington Steele and they would not let him out, or change the shooting schedule, so he missed about 6 years of doing Bond, it might have been interesting - we got TD in those Bond movies instead, and he just sucked, ie.  Licence to Kill and The Living Daylights.  PB did an awesome job however in The World Is Not Enough, which has a truly superior script.

Sure, Connery owns the role, and it's going to be hard to ever top the trilogy of Dr. No, From Russia With Love (the closest the movies ever got to the books), and the most iconic Bond film, Goldfinger (No Mister Bond, I expect you to die.).  Thunderball and Diamonds Are Forever are also top drawer.  But he also did You Only Live Twice (redeemable only by the Nancy Sinatra theme song), so you have to average that in too.

I think DC is much closer to what the books portray - so far, and that's really only based on Casino Royale because Quantum of Solace has about the worst plot ever (and that's compared with Moonraker - so pretty damn dismal).  But I'll see the new one this weekend, so I'll wait to judge that one.

Poor Rodger Moore never quite fit.  Simon Templar, he was perfect, but James Bond, not so much, and he had a huge handicap with the scripts, all of which sucked except for Live and Let Die.  Face it, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy (OK, Maude Adams naked was worth the admission), and A View to a Kill all pretty much sucked.


A more interesting argument among the Bond fanatics is this:  Are there different people playing James Bond, or is every 007, James Bond?  Does the name go with the number, and when one dies/retires, the next one steps up and takes over the cover?  So it's not the same James Bond, it's always really a different James Bond.

You left out Barry Nelson.  Who? you ask.  Just look.  :o

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He's not getting any votes!

I skipped all the one-offs because it's hard to tell based on one one film.

That, and I only write on topics, I never vote on anything that does not have any power to change anything.

Aww, don't think of it as voting, think of it as manipulating the results!

I also did not include anyone who played Bond on the radio.

Aww, don't think of it as voting, think of it as manipulating the results

As long as I can keep some people's poor political choices out of elective office I'm happy.  And these days, I'm VERY HAPPY.

I don't know much (if anything LOL!) about plots, actors, etc.

I do know that I searched high and low for a 9mm PPK...I eventually found out the ATFE doesn't allow it to be imported into the US (but they do allow the .380 PPK).

Quote from: Ms. OBrien on November 21, 2012, 07:20:03 PM
I also did not include anyone who played Bond on the radio.

Sean Connery.

...did forget the first one...Barry Nelson, PlayHouse 90 did "Casino Royale" for TV in the 50's, rarely seen though. My next choice would have been George Lazenby, he actually did a very good job for an Actor's first movie, but alas the contract he had with his Manger's (2 of them) stipulated that both sign off on any contract...he had a contract for 20 yrs and also had taken a 50% advance for "Diamonds Are Forever", but his Manager's won't sign...rest is history.

...but Daniel Craig (drool :laugh:)...

Quote from: Beth Andrea on November 21, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
I don't know much (if anything LOL!) about plots, actors, etc.

I do know that I searched high and low for a 9mm PPK...I eventually found out the ATFE doesn't allow it to be imported into the US (but they do allow the .380 PPK).

I brought a Walther PP back from Germany.  It was a .32 auto, a great belt gun.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on November 21, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
I don't know much (if anything LOL!) about plots, actors, etc.

I do know that I searched high and low for a 9mm PPK...I eventually found out the ATFE doesn't allow it to be imported into the US (but they do allow the .380 PPK).

It was the PPK's original length, 1/10 of an Inch too short.

Quote from: tekla on November 21, 2012, 06:42:15 PM

  But he also did You Only Live Twice (redeeable redeemable only by the Nancy Sinatra theme song), so you have to average that in too.

Where do you think we got Ninja's from? Tiger Tanaka! Even JB didn't know what they were! What about the theme song for "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"? Guess who did that?  Sachmo...Louis Armstrong, its was the last song he recorded.

Where do you think we got Ninja's Ninjas from?

Same place the Bond plots got them from, Japanese History.  And Tiger's Ninjas?  Really?  You can see them right there in the movie, so they ain't really Ninjas.

Quote from: tekla on November 21, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Where do you think we got Ninja's Ninjas from?

Same place the Bond plots got them from, Japanese History.  And Tiger's Ninjas?  Really?  You can see them right there in the movie, so they ain't really Ninjas.

...why thank you...didn't know that. Also just Ninja can be used for the plural form. Besides...it was a Bond movie...not real life. :laugh:


nin·ja (nĭnjə)
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n. pl. ninja or nin·jas
A member of a class of medieval Japanese mercenary agents who were trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage.
[Japanese : nin, to endure (from Early Middle Chinese in'; also the source of Mandarin rěn) + sha, person (from Middle Chinese tia´, pronoun for head of a relative clause; also the source of Mandarin zhě).]- American Heritage Dictionary  http://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=ninja%27s (http://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=ninja%27s)

On Tekla's comment, I feel the number is passed on, rather than a replacement as in Dr Who.

Sean Connery managed in, at the least the early movies, to display the arrogance and aggression that Fleming seemed to feel for the character. DC does something very similar. I really like the DC character as portrayed in Casino Royale. SoS was terrible, what a waste.

But I view the DC version as a new bond, hence my comment that the number is passed on.

I thought the RM, TD, PB had just comic book characters that Fleming would have puked over.

Waiting to see Skyfall and I'm particularly interested in the character by Javier Bardem who I think is a tremendous actor

Skyfall is great. Took my girlfriend and it was my first date in 35 years! :)

--Jay J

I never was a fan of the Connery incarnation: I always found him far too sexist for my tastes. But then again, he was a product of his era. Daniel Craig's Bond is just the right mix of ex-SAS hardman and arrogant secret agent, without the misogyny of the 1960s. After that, probably Pierce Brosnan.

And he must remain British. It would totally ruin it for me to have him played by (or become) any other nationality, although I've made a rather hypocritical exception for Brosnan. ;)

If Danial Day Lewis can play an American president, then Denzel can play Bond.

Quote from: tekla on November 22, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
If Danial Day Lewis can play an American president, then Denzel can play Bond.

Abraham Lincoln was a real, living person so they picked an actor who most closely resembles him. Can you think of any other actor - American or otherwise - who more closely resembles Lincoln than Daniel Day-Lewis?

Well Spielberg did, originally casting Liam Neeson who took the role who bowed out a year into the project saying he was too old to play the part.

& all that tends to be negotiable - as you find with Tom Seleck playing Ike or Scott as Patton.  Or British actor Anthony Hopkins as Nixon.  And, Lincoln is not the only iconic American that DDL has portrayed, having also done Hawkeye (the original American icon) in The Last of the Mohicans, and the beyond superbly amazing Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York, and also did an Edith Warton character, as well as The Crucible.  He is noted for going to some pretty amazing lengths to get the character right, and if I'm not mistaken he spend a solid year working with make-up artists to get Lincoln near-perfect.


And while we're at it its' a shame that a young Ashwarya Rai never got to be a Bond Girl.

Who was your favorite Bond villain or henchman (or henchwoman)?

Emilio Largo

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And I love the SPECTRE yacht.

Xenia Onatopp. Total psycho, crazy lady, and kicked Bond's backside as I recall. :)

Kurt Geddis as Auric Goldfinger was pretty spectacular, but so was Robert Shaw in From Russia with Love.  Tip of the hat to Christopher Lee as Scaramanga and Yaphet Kotto in Live and Let Die.

Though with Largo you have one of the best bits of dialoge.

James Bond: That gun, it looks more fitting for a woman.
Emilio Largo: You know much about guns, Mr. Bond?
James Bond: No, but I know a little about women.



Gert Frobe - that's right.  I don't know why I spaced that - except that I'm cooking.  And I'm still down with Robert Shaw as a real assassin, where others like Oddjob were more (or too) cartoonish.

I tend to think, when producers are casting roles they have the same concern as when they do just about anything else, how much it will cost them and how much profit they get back. I just doubt the nationality of the actor is a factor at all.

I confess I haven't looked any many Bond films. I saw a Sean Connery film in the 60s, on a school trip. It looked good. I did see Sean Connery in another film with Edward Woodward called The Hill. Not everyone's cup of tea, but enough to get me rather warm!!

I saw one with Roger Moore. It was the inflight movie of a rather long flight. 14 hours as I recall. Not sure which one but I recall, in on scene, they brought out all the 00s. Hated it. Felt I was being insulted. I remember Moore from a TV series (again in the 60s), called The Saint. He was a the same there frankly, only compensated for by the production values of Lew Grade as I recall.

Saw Daniel Craig in Casino Royale The scene where he did his own heart defib from a couple of wires in his car was stupid. But apart from that, that guy can visit me if he wants.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on November 21, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
I brought a Walther PP back from Germany.  It was a .32 auto, a great belt gun.

<Backs away ... slowly>

Villan...Goldfinger, and Telly Savalas' Bloefeld in OHMS...Gert Frobe played Auric Goldfinger.

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Henchperson...ODDJOB!


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...and favorite "Bond Girl"?

I love all the Bond movies, I own all of them.

Sean Connery is the best bond followed by Roger Moore.

I think Halle Berry is the best bond girl.

Two Bond Girls:

Diana Rigg
A.K.A.: Tracy Bond
Bond Assignment: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
Key Data: She was Bond's only wife.

And of course, Caroline "Tula" Cossey, one of our own.

All glory to Odd Job!

Ursula Undress (Dr. Honey Rider) as they called her at the time is always going to be the most iconic, Honor Blackman (Pussy Galore) in second.

Aki from "You Only Live Twice" and Diana Rigg as "Mrs James Bond", "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"...

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...and not to be forgotten...Miss Moneypenny...

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