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Hey guys, just to give you a basis for this question... I'm a biomale who is pansexual, who loves every single body type (providing it's covering the right person). I have always wanted kids, and I've been with this transguy for over a year now and he's pretty adamant that even if he wanted kids he'd not have his own pregnancy. He'd want to adopt, which is great. There are a lot of kids out there who need to be looked after! But I like, don't think it would be for me, I would love to have a child of my own, I don't want to sound selfish or anything by saying that, I mean do I?

Whatever Dylan (my bf) wants or doesn't want I respect. I would never try to convince or force him to do anything, but I wondered if all transguys felt that way?

My question in a nutshell is, "Are transguys uncomfortable with the idea of pregnancy?"

I personally would think it was amazingly beautiful to have like a gay relationship where a baby could come from two men. It's just, like maybe my head is in the clouds here, but do you see what I'm saying? A lot of bio-gay-guys I know say they wish male pregnancy was a thing and they could have their own babies. Heck if I could I would.

Anyway, thanks guys. I hope I don't come across as a dick or anything.

In my experience, most guys do have a problem with it and are disgusted with the thought of ever being pregnant. However, other's opinions shouldn't really matter in this case - it should be what you want and what you're comfortable with.

I want have my own biological children, but I'm not comfortable with having a child through a surrogate and although adopting is a very high possibility, I would love a child of my own flesh and blood. I just want to see how genetics treats my children. Though I do not personally like the idea of birthing a child, I don't mind the actual pregnancy part so much. My biggest concern would be passing, and of course any health problems from hormones.

No one should ever feel ashamed of wanting to have children.  Many biologists will tell you that your brain and body and reproductive systems exist for the sole purpose of passing along DNA.  It is among the most basic of human functions.

You will find all over these boards articles and topics about fertility options, such as sperm banking or egg freezing.  Or options like surrogate pregnancies.  Many of our members harbor hopes of being a parent, even if they think their own "plumbing" is all wrong.

And we have quite a few members who want nothing to do with parenthood, for any number of reasons.  As it has been suggested here, listening to a third party is no substitute for actual faced-to-face communication.

You're missing the "NONONONONO" option.

Your partner doesn't find it triggers his dysphoria for you to even suggest he is capable of carrying a child?

Honestly, if I were with you we'd be over after that. Simply because you're alluding to the fact that there are "female" parts of him.

If he has said no then leave him alone about it.

Would I have a child? No, and Friday I ended all possibilities that could ever occur. Yay for sterility! lol  :laugh:

I would never consider myself getting pregnant.  Even if I wasn't transman, I still would not get pregnant.  I know that some guys don't mind but for me, no and I can't wait for the day when  I can officially become sterile. Btw Congrats, Simon :)

Quote from: Simon on December 18, 2012, 03:00:42 PM
Your partner doesn't find it triggers his dysphoria for you to even suggest he is capable of carrying a child?

Honestly, if I were with you we'd be over after that. Simply because you're alluding to the fact that there are "female" parts of him.

If he has said no then leave him alone about it.

Would I have a child? No, and Friday I ended all possibilities that could ever occur. Yay for sterility! lol  :laugh:

Because everyone has the same level of dysphoria, right?

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 18, 2012, 03:18:01 PM
Because everyone has the same level of dysphoria, right?

No, I didn't say that. It is a good question to ask though.

Don't start with me Devlyn. *shoots lazers at Devlyn from my cat's paws* pew pew pew.  :P :laugh:

<dodging laser beams> Just making sure you're behaving!

I would rather die  :(

Quote from: simonr93 on December 18, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
Hey guys, just to give you a basis for this question... I'm a biomale who is pansexual, who loves every single body type (providing it's covering the right person). I have always wanted kids, and I've been with this transguy for over a year now and he's pretty adamant that even if he wanted kids he'd not have his own pregnancy. He'd want to adopt, which is great. There are a lot of kids out there who need to be looked after! But I like, don't think it would be for me, I would love to have a child of my own, I don't want to sound selfish or anything by saying that, I mean do I?

You don't sound selfish for saying it. Realize he probably feels the exact way. He may want biological children of his own as well. I do. It's one of the greatest sorrows of my life that I never will. Just because I have a womb does not mean this is any more of an option for me than it is for an XY guy. Like Sparrowhawke, I'd die first. And it doesn't mean I don't want my own biological kids who look like me. I'm deeply saddened I'll be the last to carry on my family name.

I also knew a guy who claimed he would love to get pregnant and have a child. I don't doubt the sincerity of his claim and I don't doubt yours. However, until you've grown up with it as a real "option" you can't truly know whether you could ever go through with it or not.

Certainly there are some ftms who have no problem with it. Thomas Beattie had so little problem with it he did it three times!  :laugh: And there are some ftms who had children long before transition. We are all different and don't have the same background, experiences, genetics or dysphoria levels. 

If your guy is as adamant as you say, he probably can't be swayed on this. The 'pregnancy' option could have been off the table since it first became physically possible for him.
If so, just understand it's probably not about how much he wants kids or how much he does or does not want your baby. It's probably just not an option. It's an issue wrapped up in identity, survival, and many other things.

Anyway, you sound like a really nice, accepting guy and you're not a dick for wondering. Best wishes to you and your guy!

The idea of pregnancy freaked me out long before I knew I was trans, so no change there.

Quote from: Arch on December 18, 2012, 02:38:03 AM
You're missing the "NONONONONO" option.

THIS. I'm not quite FtM, but the idea of being pregnant and giving birth freaked me out long before I knew I was trans. I had a small pregnancy scare a little while back, and it gave me massive anxiety even though I knew I would be able to easily take care of it had I been pregnant.

Even before ever thinking I was trans*, the thought of being pregnant and giving birth squicked me out. Still does.

And it's not so much the dysphoria it would trigger. It's much more a tokophobia.

But if I ever find someone that I would want to have children with (and that's a very big if, considering I don't really want children), I would rather foster or adopt.

Quote from: Simon on December 18, 2012, 03:00:42 PM
Your partner doesn't find it triggers his dysphoria for you to even suggest he is capable of carrying a child?

Honestly, if I were with you we'd be over after that. Simply because you're alluding to the fact that there are "female" parts of him.

If he has said no then leave him alone about it.

Would I have a child? No, and Friday I ended all possibilities that could ever occur. Yay for sterility! lol  :laugh:

No, he doesn't. He accepts that he has women parts and uses them (sexually) still but he wants to be seen as a boy publicly and be addressed as such. As I said before I'd never ever force him to do anything he's uncomfortable with. I love him too much to even consider it. This was me just questioning how other people in his sort of situation felt about it. It wasn't a "hey help me convince him" type of thing at all. :)

There's a couple of transguys on here who's been pregnant and had their own children.

It's not entirely out of the picture for some transguys.

Me personally.... no, I can't ever see that happening.

My relationship with pregnancy has been the occasional nightmares I had about it as a child, and family pressure about giving them a grandchild some day. It hasn't any connection to me in any other way, no strong dislike or anything. A nonexistent thing in my life. (Adoption I could possibly consider in the future, though.)

I have no desire to have my own children, one reason being that I am male, I do not want to carry a child. I can only imagine what it would do to my dysphoria. I also just don't think I need to add more people to the world.

well there a lot of cisgender men who would like to experience being pregnant (but they may not admit it)

It may be something like this:

The Day The Spores Landed #4 - S6, Ep 08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYx09p2la90#)

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 10, 2013, 12:19:41 AM
well there a lot of cisgender men who would like to experience being pregnant (but they may not admit it)

There was a time when I thought so, but I have to wonder whether I was projecting my own baby cravings onto them? I know I had conversations with women who assumed the same desires from cismale. But where is the evidence? (Not in that sitcom script). Even among transwomen I've seen more than a few statements over the years that seemed to be expressions of relief at not having periods and other effects of being the owner of a working womb. So much so, there was a time when I thought my own baby cravings might have been a sign that I was not trans.

What seems clear to me is that when men were expressing squeamishness and making dismissive statements whenever conversations turned to reproductive details or "womens problems" I would wait for the storm to pass, the men to leave, and find someplace where I could stay and listen to the conversations and stories of labor, delivery and other stuff women needed to talk to one another about as part of coping with it all, and containing their fears or unease about the harder aspects. Fascination always trumped ick factor, and I was usually the only male-bodied person in the room unless there were infants nursing.

There isn't an option for "already have been." I have a son. I don't think I'd get pregnant again, but my main reason for that is I just can't see it happening. I'm busy with university and planning my future, I already have one kid that needs me, and I want to transition.

Its not uncommon for some trans men to give birth I mean 90% of the documentries on trans men are based around their pregnacies.

I may not be FTM but to me anything bio related to born gender is a nono never no thing. I am sure quite a few trans fock feel the same.

nononononononono, god no

@Elspeth - I saw an interesting article online once about the viability of a "male pregnancy" since a fetus can, technically, be gestated outside a womb (happens on veerry rare occasion to cis women but it is super dangerous to both the fetus and esp. the woman) and an experiment on male prisoners that tested their ability to carry a fetus to term that'd be extracted by "c-section" (from what I recall nobody survived).

Anyhow, to the point. In reading the comments once you weeded out the transphobia/transmisogyny and a few women stating they'd forcibly impregnate males if it were possible... there were a few straight, cis dudes and a few gay cis dudes expressing interest in gestating a fetus (if it were safe and not some horrible prison experiment).

I think it's probably rare in cis dudes but I can kinda understand where it'd appeal to some even if it the same thing that makes it so vastly unappealing to me.

Plus, I'm not sure how much it is actually, "ah, from this safe distance having a living thing in me and birth sounds like a miracle of life" but if it came down to it and the technology was there staring them in the face they might change tune quick.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 10, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Its not uncommon for some trans men to give birth I mean 90% of the documentries on trans men are based around their pregnacies.

I don't watch a lot of trans documentary type stuff, but if this is true, it's unfortunate.

Quote from: Bosch on January 10, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Anyhow, to the point... there were a few straight, cis dudes and a few gay cis dudes expressing interest in gestating a fetus (if it were safe and not some horrible prison experiment).

My question remains, how do you determine these are cisdudes? There's no question in my mind that if it were no more risky than other pregnancies, (and maybe even if it were more risky) and I were still within typical childbearing years I would have wanted this. I went through my early years of marriage wishing I could have had babies on my own, with a genetic assist from my partner, during the years she was in med school or just after finishing it. I would have liked to have been younger, and had more social support for it... I thought about this a lot. If I didn't dwell on it, it was only because thinking about it depressed me a bit, that I knew it wasn't an actual option.

I don't know how one can get a reliable take in survey data on whether someone identifies with/as a woman, and the cultural stigma has me thinking that I don't much believe that simply asking would get very honest answers, but in some ways, admitting a desire to bear children probably, for many, has less stigma attached to it than copping to being trans. And no small fraction of gay dudes have come out over time to admit to being so, and to seeking transition.

Can't rule out that there are cis dudes who do crave pregnancy, and depending on context, answers to such questions might not always be honest ones. Some transfolk are, after all, much more sensitive about things like cross-dressing, whereas other guys who seem to be entirely butch will crossdress as a joke and think nothing of it. Very hard to pin down what people are actually thinking and feeling in this context.

NooOOOOoooOOOoo. I've thought about it(mostly because it was one of the things my mom brings up as 'things I might change my mind on and regret later' once I transition. Psshh, no.) and there has always been a huge mental disconnect about it(similar to the disconnect I feel with what is between my legs.) Shortly afterwards I think, by god, why is that even a possibility?
So basically never ever never ever ever.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 10, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Its not uncommon for some trans men to give birth I mean 90% of the documentries on trans men are based around their pregnacies.

Wouldn't this have more to do with producers of documentaries looking to depict maximum conflict? Granted, people in general, especially in our sex-phobic culture, underestimate how easy it is for someone with a healthy female body to get pregnant. But this seems to have a lot more to do with producers looking for some juicy "hook" than it has to do with providing a representative picture of trans lives. Depictions of MTFs also tend to look at sex workers and convicts to a much greater degree, leaving a somewhat distorted image of the lives of the average trans person. Not that many of us don't wind up doing sex work, and a few decades ago this seemed to be even more common than it is today. But it seems to me that in all areas, people doing "edutainment" tend to focus on whatever is likely to be most sensationalistic and embodying the contradictions that will make (presumed) cisgendered viewers say "Thank God that's not me."

No no no. I don't think you should bring this up. Not because of me, but because that's what he said. I am sure there are some out there as the question comes up every now and again. Rarely but it comes up.

--Jay

I have already done so - twice. I have two daughters who I even breastfed for a total of four years.

I managed to get around my dysphoria by treating each pregnancy as a means to an end. I've always wanted to raise my own biological children. It just so happens that the least complicated way for me to do so is to fall pregnant. So I accepted that as the price I needed to pay to achieve my goal.

The most dysphoric part of it for me was being treated like a woman in antenatal classes, the maternity unit (even the name makes me shudder), and afterwards when you get categorised as a 'mother' with all of the assumptions that go with that title. But I was able to get my head around the pregnancies & breastfeeding.

I would do so again in a heartbeat. Yes, after transition, too (but not with breastfeeding, obviously). I'm in no rush to have a hysto because those parts are out of sight, out of mind for me. Admitting this has been difficult because it sounds like I'm not dysphoric about my bottom bits. But I am dysphoric about them; I desperately want the right parts to be there, but I don't particularly mind that the wrong parts are tucked away where I can't see them.

It's a matter of personal choice and I don't think there are any right or wrong answers here.

Quote from: Elspeth on January 10, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
Wouldn't this have more to do with producers of documentaries looking to depict maximum conflict? Granted, people in general, especially in our sex-phobic culture, underestimate how easy it is for someone with a healthy female body to get pregnant. But this seems to have a lot more to do with producers looking for some juicy "hook" than it has to do with providing a representative picture of trans lives. Depictions of MTFs also tend to look at sex workers and convicts to a much greater degree, leaving a somewhat distorted image of the lives of the average trans person. Not that many of us don't wind up doing sex work, and a few decades ago this seemed to be even more common than it is today. But it seems to me that in all areas, people doing "edutainment" tend to focus on whatever is likely to be most sensationalistic and embodying the contradictions that will make (presumed) cisgendered viewers say "Thank God that's not me."

The only reason I ever watch that stuff is because my mom does and because those things are always on such rare and usually negative sides of transistion if I dont my mom could get stuff to justify her beliefs against this.

I dont think I have ever seen one that doesnt have a juicy aspect to it, Also only marriages they show are between trans folks. Now I dont think there is anything wrong transtrans marriages however I find it annoying that it appears the media likes to portray we dont marry cis-people. But hey as Diaries says its about that juicy aspect.

Quote from: FTMDiaries on January 11, 2013, 09:55:57 AM

I'm in no rush to have a hysto because those parts are out of sight, out of mind for me. Admitting this has been difficult because it sounds like I'm not dysphoric about my bottom bits. But I am dysphoric about them; I desperately want the right parts to be there, but I don't particularly mind that the wrong parts are tucked away where I can't see them.

It's a matter of personal choice and I don't think there are any right or wrong answers here.

I feel the same way about a hysto. No rush. Hope it's never necessary. I never plan to use the uterus but I'm not particularly bothered by it.

I probably will not have a hysto due to my age. OTOH, I see the point of younger ones getting it. I feel  that I am trans and my identity is going to be trans. Being trans is inherently accepting that you are not 100% the gender you identify as. I am not going to see myself as  100% "male", and will not see myself as 100% male. I know some guys will see themselves as male and see nothing wrong with this, but with me it will be transmale, as I have lived almost all my life as female and there is no way to get around this.

--Jay

Quote from: Elspeth on January 10, 2013, 09:16:36 PM
My question remains, how do you determine these are cisdudes?

I tend to take people at their word. After all, I except them to take me at my word when I identify my gender I can only do the same for them. Otherwise I guess you have no way of reading their minds or where their mind might be in the future.

Never ever ever.

I used to tell people that if I happened to somehow accidentally (magically) get pregnant, then I wouldn't necessarily automatically consider abortion; or that pregnancy might be kind of an interesting thing to experience from a purely biological viewpoint -- I've always been fascinated by anatomy and development.

But than I realised that having a uterus just isn't worth it. Periods suck and it's creepy having a hole where there really shouldn't be a hole. I'd get far more joy from keeping my pickled uterus in a jar than I ever would from a pregnancy.

Although I despise my female bits, I then remember that (personally I think) the is no such thing as gender for one's body. One pushes life out, the other contributes to that. But of course, I do want male bits.

But in short, nope. Never. Why? Mainly because I just don't like kids but also because, I can't handle mood swings. Not even when it comes to the dreaded, Time of Bleeding.

I honestly cannot imagine being able to live through those 9 months. It would absolutely destroy me mentally. So no.

Being completely honest and blunt about it... Hell no.

But that's just how I feel about it happening to myself. It's just... NO. If someone else feels okay about it, then I'll say that's great.
Making my opinion even weirder, I like mpreg. </TMI>

Been there, done that, shop's closed.

For me, I would never have my own kids.  I've occasionally had the desire, but nothing that was long lasting and it was more like because the biological portion said I was a good age to have kids.  Logically, I don't want kids.  I'm not ready for them and probably never will be.  And the idea of carrying a "child" inside of me for 9 months is revolting.

But it's just my opinion for me.  If someone else wants it, go for it.  If not, respect their choice not to have kids.

My sister wanted me to be her surrogate recently, even after knowing I was a trans man.  I told her outright no. However she said she would pay me. Enough for chest surgery actually... plus a bit more. That actually made me stop and consider it. In the end I stuck with my original response. The money is very very tempting, but I could never go through with it.

I've thought about becoming pregnant. It's one of the reasons I'm so worried about starting hormones; I've heard all these rumors that if you don't get surgery within 3 years you'll have an increased risk of cancers.

I'm not certain honestly. I guess it's just my paternal instinct mixing in with my teenage hormones but my head is all wishy-washy when it comes to child rearing. Do I want to adopt or do I want a biological child? Should I store my eggs just in case? My ideal is to have two children but, as someone who is most likely aromantic, all this sounds terribly hard.

How will I be able to handle a baby and a job on my own? I'm not the type of father who would leave the baby with someone else either. Those first few years are precious. Once they turn five they can go to kindergarten but before that? Nah.   

As a trans man people would react differently to you begin pregnant. Pregnant women get cooed over, pregnant men do not.

I'm also worried about how to feed the child. To me, the only option is breastfeeding. What if I get surgery beforehand? Then I won't be able to breastfeed the child, and wet nurses are hard to come across. Child birth itself is horrifying. I can't handle pain and the only option for me is natural childbirth; I refuse to have a hospital one unless I'm having complications.

If I have kids I'll probably adopt. I'd like to adopt an older child, someone between the ages of five and thirteen. Afterwards if I still feel the need I can adopt a younger one.. But I doubt it. I'm fine with my child being an only child. I was an only child and I did just fine.   

Have 3 natural kids. It was the worst experience of my life
Never again!

Quote from: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 05:57:45 PM
And not to sound rude but I don't think homosexuals should have kids, But I feel they should be able to get married or just be together

Everybody is equal here, they're not any less worthy of being parents then you. I don't see why thought makes you "uncomfortable" or "scared". What makes me scared is knowing there's tons of beautiful, innocent children out there with bad or no parents, and people preventing homosexuals who could be great parents from adopting these children.

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 04, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
Everybody is equal here, they're not any less worthy of being parents then you. I don't see why thought makes you "uncomfortable" or "scared". What makes me scared is knowing there's tons of beautiful, innocent children out there with bad or no parents, and people preventing homosexuals who could be great parents from adopting these children.

The thought of being pregnant makes m scared and uncomfortable because Im a man, And God said a woman is suppose to bare the child. You misread what I said, And no homosexuals should not raise kids two women can't raise a boy and two guys can't raise a girl I think they need a man and a woman for that, Its like people who think daughters don't need their fathers they most definately do.







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Quote from: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 07:32:16 PM


The thought of being pregnant makes m scared and uncomfortable because Im a man, And God said a woman is suppose to bare the child. You misread what I said, And no homosexuals should not raise kids two women can't raise a boy and two guys can't raise a girl I think they need a man and a woman for that, Its like people who think daughters don't need their fathers they most definately do.







Edited for TOS #10 violation.

It's not about belief, it's cold, hard, scientific fact that same-sex couples raise not just acceptable kids, but actually kids that turn out better than the average sort raised by straight parents. You won't find one unbiased study that says otherwise.

As for me, I'm not a trans man, but I'm agender/neutrois, and it was a nasty pregnancy scare and a few specific discussions about kids that made me realize that I might not have been the gender I was assigned. I missed a period and had another symptom or two of pregnancy (which isn't unusual for me, tbh, as I have a disease of the reproductive stuff) that gave me panic attacks for days.

Quote from: Lo on September 04, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
It's not about belief, it's cold, hard, scientific fact that same-sex couples raise not just acceptable kids, but actually kids that turn out better than the average sort raised by straight parents. You won't find one unbiased study that says otherwise.

As for me, I'm not a trans man, but I'm agender/neutrois, and it was a nasty pregnancy scare and a few specific discussions about kids that made me realize that I might not have been the gender I was assigned. I missed a period and had another symptom or two of pregnancy (which isn't unusual for me, tbh, as I have a disease of the reproductive stuff) that gave me panic attacks for days.

Thats not what God intended for, If you believe in God or read the bible, Homosexuals can't reproduce for a reason, No offence, Im fine with gays I have gay and bi friends their perfectly nomal, And yes that does scare me

Quote from: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 10:03:31 PM

Thats not what God intended for, If you believe in God or read the bible, Homosexuals can't reproduce for a reason, No offence, Im fine with gays I have gay and bi friends their perfectly nomal, And yes that does scare me

Your version of God may differ from others, this is why in America we have "freedom of religion" (sorry if I wrongly assume that you are from the USA). If my version of God says that homosexuals can raise children, what makes your God better than mine? Don't forget, quite a few Christians would say trans people shouldn't have children because that's not what God intended. You might find the Spirituality section of Susan's to be of interest to you if you are a person of faith. The various opinions there might help you open your mind a little bit by exposing you to well reasoned opinions on LGBT issues.

Sat nam, Henry  :)

Quote from: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 10:03:31 PM

Thats not what God intended for, If you believe in God or read the bible, Homosexuals can't reproduce for a reason, No offence, Im fine with gays I have gay and bi friends their perfectly nomal, And yes that does scare me

My gods enjoyed human sacrifice back in the dickities, but that doesn't belong in this discussion either. I'd suggest you keep this stuff in the religious section as well.

Quote from: Lo on September 04, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
My gods enjoyed human sacrifice back in the dickities, but that doesn't belong in this discussion either. I'd suggest you keep this stuff in the religious section as well.

I can tell your getting upset so ill stop

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 04, 2013, 10:11:59 PM
Your version of God may differ from others, this is why in America we have "freedom of religion" (sorry if I wrongly assume that you are from the USA). If my version of God says that homosexuals can raise children, what makes your God better than mine? Don't forget, quite a few Christians would say trans people shouldn't have children because that's not what God intended. You might find the Spirituality section of Susan's to be of interest to you if you are a person of faith. The various opinions there might help you open your mind a little bit by exposing you to well reasoned opinions on LGBT issues.

Sat nam, Henry  :)

Theirs only one God but ok Im done just know my beliefs arent gonna change, And Ive never had that said to me at all actually most of my christian friends are fine with me, My mom hasnt even said that, And she hates what Im trying to do as far as being trans

Quote from: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 10:21:50 PM
I can tell your getting upset so ill stop

No, just disappointed that you feel this opinion is relevant to such a sensitive topic.

Quote from: Lo on September 05, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
No, just disappointed that you feel this opinion is relevant to such a sensitive topic.

Again men arent suppose to carry babies

You better read up, young man: https://www.susans.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_%28female-to-male%29#Childbearing

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Brandon on September 05, 2013, 11:30:12 AM

Quote from: Lo on September 05, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
No, just disappointed that you feel this opinion is relevant to such a sensitive topic.

Again men arent suppose to carry babies

They're not but some of them are born with a uterus.

Quote from: Brandon on September 05, 2013, 11:30:12 AM
Again men arent suppose to carry babies

And if a trans man gets pregnant, and isn't allowed to get an abortion (I'm assuming this is something else you believe in) does that make him any less a man? Does having been pregnant, by will or by rape, make him an abomination?

Jesus also said nothing about gay or trans* people, jussayin'.

Quote from: Lo on September 05, 2013, 02:57:41 PM
And if a trans man gets pregnant, and isn't allowed to get an abortion (I'm assuming this is something else you believe in) does that make him any less a man? Does having been pregnant, by will or by rape, make him an abomination?

Jesus also said nothing about gay or trans* people, jussayin'.

If your gonna be a man then don't get pregnant, Pregnant men don't help transgender men they make us look bad, And make look stupid, And yes God did speak about homosexuality you just don't wanna believe it, And I have no problem with abortion, You don't sound religious please don't put me in a box with other Christians

Quote from: Brandon on September 05, 2013, 03:29:01 PM

If your gonna be a man then don't get pregnant, Pregnant men don't help transgenders they make us look bad, And make look stupid,

A lot of guys here feel strongly on both sides of this issue. It can be a touchy topic because we have guys on one end who are sick at the thought of carrying their own child and others glad they have the ability to do it. Many here have expressed the same feelings on male pregnancy you have, and many the opposite.

QuoteAnd yes God did speak about homosexuality you just son't wanna believe it, And I have no problem with abortion, You don't sound religious please don't put me in a box with other Christians

Religion has also been a hotly debated topic here in the past. You have your beliefs but this really isn't the place for airing religious views against homosexuality. It's best to just agree to disagree on this point.

I beat there is at least 1 cis-guy who wouldnt mind being able to give birth and that alone to me says well if he could, he would, so if you can and want,then do.

People are allowed to do what they want. I know this doesnt measure to the same level but its in the way the same as inpregnating a woman. I cant imagin even using my penis for sex so well I would say no thanks but I am sure there is one t-girl who wants to so let them.

In the end it all comes down to how closed minded you are to what makes a specific gender :D After all reproduction is the last real natural instinct humans have left.

I've gone through variance with this subject.  I've always wanted to have children.  I used to really want to carry it myself but the farther I get into my transition, the less likely that becomes.  Some of it is due to the fact that T can seriously effect your ability to conceive, some of it is because I can't reconcile being a male and being pregnant.  I also don't like the thought of having to stop taking hormones while pregnant.  As well as the difficulty of explaining one day to my child that while I identify as male, I'm also their biological mother.

So my answer is: maybe.

Quote from: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 10:03:31 PM

Thats not what God intended for, If you believe in God or read the bible, Homosexuals can't reproduce for a reason, No offence, Im fine with gays I have gay and bi friends their perfectly nomal, And yes that does scare me

By that same logic God didn't intend for you to be a male.  So why aren't you wearing a dress right now?  Does that help point out the flaw in your argument?  Pot, meet kettle!

I also hate when people like to point out that they have gay friends and they have nothing against them while also spouting homophobia (homophobia does NOT just mean fear of homosexuals, it is but one attribute to homophobia, general negativity or prejudice against homosexuals, e.g. saying they can't raise a child, also applies).  To be honest I read all statements like yours, especially if they start with, "No offense" the same way I read, "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but..."

You're on one thread upset about not being able to reproduce and asking for help there, and then you're in here saying that homosexuals shouldn't raise a child and that it must be a man and a woman.  What the hell?  Do you realise that this is a supportive forum complete with anyone who falls under the trans umbrella and that all sexual orientations exist here?  And what about all the single parents out there?  What about all the kids being raised by same sex couples and turning out just fine?  What about all the kids who don't have any parents and grow up in the foster system or orphanages and do fine? 

You say that homosexuals can't reproduce for a reason.  You're attracted to girls in a body born female.  Yes, you are a man, but you were born female and identify as a man.  To explain, in this instance I refer to female and male as anatomy/structure/chemistry and man/woman as gender identity, before we start an argument with regards to terms.  So you're asking for help on dealing with how you can't get a woman pregnant, well, by your very own logic, doesn't that give you your reason?

Brandon, please do not come in here spouting off about the Bible when it pertains to homosexuality/child rearing. You do realize some Christians use the Bible against trans people as well? Take a look at this verse:

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

What do you think about that verse? You know that Christians would say it pertains to us (I don't believe it does but am using it for argument's sake). You're not the only one from a religious background here. I grew up strict Southern Baptist and have struggled with it my entire life. I am now agnostic but I know most of the Bible front to back. My family is full of pastors and deacons. The thing is the New Testament law is to love one another as you would love yourself. Showing discrimination is fool hardy and especially so when you are in the GLBT group yourself.

That being said, as stated in some previous posts, I would not carry a child. However, more power to anyone who wants to regardless of where they fall on the gender spectrum. Love and guidance is what a child needs to prosper as a whole being on this earth.

Quote from: Jack_M on September 06, 2013, 03:19:06 PM
By that same logic God didn't intend for you to be a male.  So why aren't you wearing a dress right now?  Does that help point out the flaw in your argument?  Pot, meet kettle!

I also hate when people like to point out that they have gay friends and they have nothing against them while also spouting homophobia (homophobia does NOT just mean fear of homosexuals, it is but one attribute to homophobia, general negativity or prejudice against homosexuals, e.g. saying they can't raise a child, also applies).  To be honest I read all statements like yours, especially if they start with, "No offense" the same way I read, "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but..."

You're on one thread upset about not being able to reproduce and asking for help there, and then you're in here saying that homosexuals shouldn't raise a child and that it must be a man and a woman.  What the hell?  Do you realise that this is a supportive forum complete with anyone who falls under the trans umbrella and that all sexual orientations exist here?  And what about all the single parents out there?  What about all the kids being raised by same sex couples and turning out just fine?  What about all the kids who don't have any parents and grow up in the foster system or orphanages and do fine? 

You say that homosexuals can't reproduce for a reason.  You're attracted to girls in a body born female.  Yes, you are a man, but you were born female and identify as a man.  To explain, in this instance I refer to female and male as anatomy/structure/chemistry and man/woman as gender identity, before we start an argument with regards to terms.  So you're asking for help on dealing with how you can't get a woman pregnant, well, by your very own logic, doesn't that give you your reason?

No because theirs nothing in the bible that talks about transgenders, And no I'm not homophobic just because I disagree, And Im a man so theirfore I can raise a boy, And my mother is a single parent but my father and I still talk and he talks to me like I'm his son, Since my mom believes she has two girls it would be easier in her eyes to raise me and my sister but she doesn't realize she has a son

Quote from: Si on September 06, 2013, 03:58:32 PM
Brandon, please do not come in here spouting off about the Bible when it pertains to homosexuality/child rearing. You do realize some Christians use the Bible against trans people as well? Take a look at this verse:

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

What do you think about that verse? You know that Christiatns would say it pertains to us (I don't believe it does but am using it for argument's sake). You're not the only one from a religious background here. I grew up strict Southern Baptist and have struggled with it my entire life. I am now agnostic but I know most of the Bible front to back. My family is full of pastors and deacons. The thing is the New Testament law is to love one another as you would love yourself. Showing discrimination is fool hardy and especially so when you are in the GLBT group yourself.

That being said, as stated in some previous posts, I would not carry a child. However, more power to anyone who wants to regardless of where they fall on the gender spectrum. Love and guidance is what a child needs to prosper as a whole being on this earth.

I already know that, That's the same scipture my mom used against me, Trust me I read the bible, And I can bring God anywhere I wanna bring him, And as I've already said I have no problem with homosexuals so drop it

You don't suddenly get to decide what to talk about and what to "drop". We have every right to find your opinion hypocritical and deplorable just as you have every right to voice it. That is, unril a mod comes along and says to cut it out.