Ever wonder why alien races from other planets have not fully revealed themselves to us yet? Ever wonder why we are treated like zoo animals at this point?
1. We have weapons of mass destruction and have used them on each other
2. We have biochemical weapons and have used them on each other
3. We kill people daily with rocks,knives,guns and barehands.
4. We constantly argue over religion,property, government systems and borders.
5. We hate or dislike people based on race,creed,color and gender and sexuality.
I really think we need some kind of paradigm shift here, or we will never be part of the galactic council.
So, its not going to happen during our lifetimes, huh?
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 22, 2012, 12:37:14 PM
Ever wonder why alien races from other planets have not fully revealed themselves to us yet?
OK, I'll take the bait.
Maybe it's because there are no alien races out there. Or maybe because the alien life forms that have been able to develop in remote worlds are not intelligent. Or maybe the one or two other intelligent life forms that exist (assuming they do) can't figure out a way to bridge the gap of quadrillions and quintillions (literally) of miles out there.
There probably are on the order of 10
12 galaxies. If they each, like ours, have 10
11 stars that would mean there are on the order of 10
23 stars in our universe. If each of them has 10 or so planets, we can expect our universe to hold 10
24 planets.
But what is the chance that intelligent life would evolve on one of those? We don't know, having just a single case (ours) to study. Is it 1 in 10
20? Then there would be thousands of intelligent species out there. Is it 1 in 10
28? Then thousands of universes like ours would have to exist before even one intelligent species evolves.
What is the probability? 10
20? 10
28? Much higher? Much lower? We simply don't know, and anyone who does claim to know is just guessing.
Not sure how this fits in "transgender talk" but it's an interesting enough question to be worth answering.
ag, Shawn was using satire to address the point that humans are not evolved. ::)
Eh, well I didn't know where else to put it , I suppose maybe in the general section, but that seemed for light hearted games and such.
Quote from: DianaP on December 22, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
ag, Shawn was using satire to address the point that humans are not evolved. ::)
I've read better to be honest.
If you think about it, if the reason we do these things is because we're not evolved, then we really are only just doing as nature intended, rather like the cat going for the pretty garden bird.
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 22, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
Eh, well I didn't know where else to put it , I suppose maybe in the general section, but that seemed for light hearted games and such.
I'm sorry, I didn't know that aliens granting us access to the galactic council was anything but lighthearted!
This is funny, because i've said the exact same thing to people i know. All humans are basically the same, and we keep hurting each other. How would we react to a completely different civilization? Sadly, we would probably go to war with it :(.
Agfrommd: what about the Drake equation?
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QuoteI'm sorry, I didn't know that aliens granting us access to the galactic council was anything but lighthearted!
;D LOL well that's not what i was shooting for with this thread, but thats probably where its going to go, may as well put it there now :P
This entire thread implies that the aliens are friendly. Greys are not friendly.
Enlightenment isn't for everybody, and I'm sure it's something most don't even have a desire for. Killing people, arguing over stuff, and accumulating power and wealth is very fun, after all, at least when you're the one who benefits. Some say it's capitalism's fault - after all, we could offer the whole world a decent quality of life if wealth and land were distributed equally. However, I think it's more likely to be just a part of the nature of man. Or the nature of intelligent life in general. Selfishness.
After all, why not be selfish? Why be selfless at all? There's hardly any reason to do something if you get nothing out of it, right?
Why should I lower my quality of life to improve someone else's quality of life? This is doubly true when "someone else" is someone "I" will probably never meet.
If aliens exist, they'd probably just take this planet by force, assuming they were capable of it.
QuoteAfter all, why not be selfish? Why be selfless at all? There's hardly any reason to do something if you get nothing out of it, right?
If everyone was selfish to the core, and was never selfless , I don't want to even imagine.
Example: You have to be operated on and the Doctor calls in and says "Sorry, I just don't feel like it, today is my golf day with my buddies". No one else is qualified to perform the operation where you are....and then you die. Is that the world you want to live in?
I do selfless acts, because they make me feel good to see another human being thrive and survive.
" Chances are that, if aliens exist, they'd just take this planet by force assuming they were capable of it."
They are and they are not at the same time. Thing is, everyone always assumes that because they would be capable of reaching here they would be capable of destroying us entirely. If they want to take this planet they also know that there are resources and we will not go down without a fight. Also they know if we go down we will end up taking this planet with us. Nukes would fly, making most resources utterly worthless to them. We have a very strong military in terms of a Us vs them scenario. Likely we would all get our act together and fight them, humans are a very military centric species. It would be too much work for a too little to gain scenario.
Oh i don't doubt that there are evil aliens. Just ask Travis Walton
Some are just not that friendly, just look at the Vogons for example. Bureaucratic pen pushers and just plain unfriendly.
Don't ask about their poetry.
Now if they were in charge of the 21/12/12 they would have made sure the earth ended for the new hyperspace bypass.
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 22, 2012, 02:45:13 PM
If everyone was selfish to the core, and was never selfless , I don't want to even imagine.
Example: You have to be operated on and the Doctor calls in and says "Sorry, I just don't feel like it, today is my golf day with my buddies". No one else is qualified to perform the operation where you are....and then you die. Is that the world you want to live in?
I do selfless acts, because they make me feel good to see another human being thrive and survive.
If a doctor acted like that, he would be let go pretty quickly, and probably wouldn't get a good reference from that hospital. This selfish act would affect his life profoundly. It is unwise to sacrifice your career for recreational time. Furthermore, he would lose face.
So, the example of doctors showing up to do their job isn't a great example of selflessness. Doctoring makes good money, and it's a good way to practice your interest in anatomy and physiology. Helping people is a part of it, but being a doctor isn't selfless because of that - it's a trade.
Quote from: Snowpaw on December 22, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
" Chances are that, if aliens exist, they'd just take this planet by force assuming they were capable of it."
They are and they are not at the same time. Thing is, everyone always assumes that because they would be capable of reaching here they would be capable of destroying us entirely...
Well, I stated "assuming they were capable of it". I'm sure it wouldn't be incredibly easy to wipe us all out, but it's probably possible with sufficiently advanced weapons. For the sake of the argument, discussing how difficult it would be for an alien race to take this planet for their own should be left for another thread.
QuoteI have a better analogy for selfishness. Let's say Everyone is daffy duck , a mad hatter version of daffy duck "Mine Mine Mine! Down Down Down! Go Go Go!
People in utter chaos , desperately trying to build there own fortress of Gold, high above the clouds, always looking for ways to take from what someone else has. Children dying on the streets, people lying on the ground in ruins, no one anywhere wanting to help anyone.
Thanks, but I'll pass on a 100% complete selfish world.
Quote from: Jenny07 on December 22, 2012, 02:59:27 PM
Some are just not that friendly, just look at the Vogons for example. Bureaucratic pen pushers and just plain unfriendly.
Don't ask about their poetry.
Now if they were in charge of the 21/12/12 they would have made sure the earth ended for the new hyperspace bypass.
IIRC they didn't even need the bypass because of improbability physics... on the other hand, a babel fish might be fun to keep around.
Well, I think that if we all just got together and put aside the petty quarrels, we could be a much better species.
As for aliens, I'm not scared of their weapons. I'm scared that if they spread their alien germs that no one has immunity to, we could all die. :o
Quote from: DianaP on December 22, 2012, 03:11:28 PM
Well, I think that if we all just got together and put aside the petty quarrels, we could be a much better species.
As for aliens, I'm not scared of their weapons. I'm scared that if they spread their alien germs that no one has immunity to, we could all die. :o
Or we could spread our germs and they all die.
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Quote from: Kelly J. P. on December 22, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
If a doctor acted like that, he would be let go pretty quickly, and probably wouldn't get a good reference from that hospital. This selfish act would affect his life profoundly. It is unwise to sacrifice your career for recreational time. Furthermore, he would lose face.
So, the example of doctors showing up to do their job isn't a great example of selflessness. Doctoring makes good money, and it's a good way to practice your interest in anatomy and physiology. Helping people is a part of it, but being a doctor isn't selfless because of that - it's a trade.
Well, I stated "assuming they were capable of it". I'm sure it wouldn't be incredibly easy to wipe us all out, but it's probably possible with sufficiently advanced weapons. For the sake of the argument, discussing how difficult it would be for an alien race to take this planet for their own should be left for another thread.
Oh I am sure it would be a more fun thread to be honest if it were about our capabilities vs a possible alien existence. I shall make it now for the lulz.
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 22, 2012, 03:13:12 PM
Or we could spread our germs and they all die.
I'm sure both would happen :(
I'm going to be hopeful that they're friendly aliens, because I want to play with alien technology! Of course, the Prime Directive probably doesn't allow them to share with us (yet...)
Oh snap, playing with alien toys would be so fun!
I'm sure that every human can agree to that. :P
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 22, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
I have a better analogy for selfishness. Let's say Everyone is daffy duck , a mad hatter version of daffy duck "Mine Mine Mine! Down Down Down! Go Go Go!
People in utter chaos , desperately trying to build there own fortress of Gold, high above the clouds, always looking for ways to take from what someone else has. Children dying on the streets, people lying on the ground in ruins, no one anywhere wanting to help anyone.
Thanks, but I'll pass on a 100% complete selfish world.
Well, there are many people who bear resemblance to the characters in this hyperbolic analogy. It wouldn't be entirely inaccurate to see the world this way as it is,
but I didn't say anywhere that the world is or should be entirely selfish. I was trying to make a point about selfishness being a part of human nature, and I used the first-person tense to help the reader see this in himself.
I'm not terribly great at being selfless, myself, but I do my best to not be selfish. It would be wonderful if everyone could move beyond selfishness - what could be done for the third and second world if corruption and greed weren't around is rather impressive.
Selfishness is a natural human trait. If anything charity is outside the norm, albeit a good thing. Greed will never go away, someone will always wish to covet something. I'll stick to my bottlecaps when the world goes kaput.
Unless the aliens had very similar DNA, their virus' and germs would be harmless to us and ours to them.
Quote from: agfrommd on December 22, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
OK, I'll take the bait.
Maybe it's because there are no alien races out there. Or maybe because the alien life forms that have been able to develop in remote worlds are not intelligent. Or maybe the one or two other intelligent life forms that exist (assuming they do) can't figure out a way to bridge the gap of quadrillions and quintillions (literally) of miles out there.
I think it was Steven Hawkings who said it was probably a good thing that we haven't made contact with alien races since, given that it's almost impossible for aliens to accidentally find us, they'd have to be investing huge amounts of resources into exploring and seeking out other cultures, rather than focusing on their own needs. He then points to the historical groups in our planet that engaged in those kinds of behaviors... they were people who sought to conquer, enslave, and plunder.
Quote from: JessicaH on December 22, 2012, 04:17:13 PM
Unless the aliens had very similar DNA, their virus' and germs would be harmless to us and ours to them.
That's only true for viruses, and even then, only partially. Bacteria, however, can infect creatures, regardless of DNA.
Or maybe something as simple as the yellow sun makes them burn.
Secret Origins HD 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOLXmZ9m_-k#)
Well, heck, if they are that darned snobby, we should just nuke 'em.
Quote from: crazy at the coast on December 22, 2012, 10:34:29 PM
Well, heck, if they are that darned snobby, we should just nuke 'em.
Nukes don't work, only a f-16 flown by a crop duster right into the heart of the ship will stop them.
QuoteAs we like to say here on Earth "Up Yours"!!! *Randy Quaid*
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Hmmm - what if the alien ship had point defense drones and guns like:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Point-defense_gun (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Point-defense_gun)
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Or the Covenant equivalent: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse_laser_turret (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse_laser_turret)
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Quote from: Snowpaw on December 22, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
" Chances are that, if aliens exist, they'd just take this planet by force assuming they were capable of it."
i would imagine aliens would take over the planet similar to how USA takes over other countries these days. We don't go in with tanks and guns, no we go in with CIA agents who currupt/threaten the elected leaders and give them the choice: join us or die.
so i'm willing to bet that if an evil alien race were to make contact with us it would be with our "leaders." they would use this esoteric relationship to further ill-wills. Our leaders may think they are benevolent or special but in reality they are simply being used as pawns in a game of chess.
and this strategy would require much less work yet still attains the same benefits: control of a population and is resources.
just like multi-national corporations go to poor countries, extract the resources and hide away the profits from said exploitation to an off-shore bank account multi-galactic civilizations might go to less developed solar systems, extract the resources to be used elsewhere. like for all we know there could be mad spaceships extracting water or minerals from our planet.
another fun thought i've had is that we're livestock. give us some technology so we can explode our population... then come to harvest. this is why i try to stay skinny ;)
These in the streets.
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Quote from: Ms. OBrien on December 23, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
These in the streets.
those remind me more of something the world's militaries would craft up. like we have flying drones now but soon enough they'll have bipedal drones to reach the hard to get spots
QuoteWe don't go in with tanks and guns, no we go in with CIA agents who corrupt/threaten the elected leaders and give them the choice: join us or die.
We already have aliens in the CIA
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 22, 2012, 12:37:14 PM
Ever wonder why alien races from other planets have not fully revealed themselves to us yet? Ever wonder why we are treated like zoo animals at this point?
1. We have weapons of mass destruction and have used them on each other
2. We have biochemical weapons and have used them on each other
3. We kill people daily with rocks,knives,guns and barehands.
4. We constantly argue over religion,property, government systems and borders.
5. We hate or dislike people based on race,creed,color and gender and sexuality.
I really think we need some kind of paradigm shift here, or we will never be part of the galactic council.
They're just waiting for us to wipe ourselves out so they can steal our planet.
Quote from: TessaM on December 23, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
If aliens found us, they'd probably want to study us and make inter galactic babies. Us humans, being smarter than that, will undoubtedly kill the strong within them, take the rest as slaves, and start colonizing their planets with information form their ships. We'll probably find oil or some sort of important mineral on their planet (s) and BAM were all out of the red.
Well, if we found a ton of oil, it would all be worthless due to the excessive supply. Plus, if anything, that oil would be barely enough to cover the fuel costs of intergalactic travel. :P
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 23, 2012, 06:07:17 PM
We already have aliens in the CIA
That's silly.
Organizations like the CIA are essentially hot air clouded with mystery.
The fear is preception. Just don't give in.
Quote from: jojoglowe on December 23, 2012, 11:05:01 AM
those remind me more of something the world's militaries would craft up. like we have flying drones now but soon enough they'll have bipedal drones to reach the hard to get spots
oh I just saw this. yeah...
BigDog Overview (Updated March 2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ#)
Still quadrupedal at the moment.
Maybe quadrupedal, but so were these ...
3D Animation (Star Wars Episode V - Battle of Hoth) "SnowSpeeders and AT-AT Walkers Battle" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CAV3IdDh8#)
what if they had anti-gravity systems so they won't need legs?
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Quote from: Carbon on December 24, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
Still quadrupedal at the moment.
Never could understand why some seem to be so obscessed with bettering the wheel.
But if it entertains. Fine. Not sure what other purpose it would have.
Legged walkers can work well in urban and mountainous terrains. The former only because you can make robotic walkers that are human sized meant for patrols or scouting. Think of such robots as UVAs but for the ground. :3
Not so.
But what sort of patrols and scouting are you planning?
After thinking about it, I'm sorry for seemingly taking this seriously.
Who knows what the future may hold?