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Television evangelist Falwell dies at 73 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070515/ap_on_re_us/jerry_falwell)
By SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writer 4 minutes ago

LYNCHBURG, Va. - The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the television evangelist who founded the Moral Majority and used it to mold the religious right into a political force, died Tuesday shortly after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University. He was 73.

A colorful figure to be sure which helped set our government back 50 years.

Cindi

RIP Falwell and may the damage you have done here be mended.
Peace to your family.

 :D Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I hope he's found peace at last.

My prayers go out to his family and friends. Regardless of my opinion on his views, it's still a sad day :(

~Kate~

Quote from: Kate on May 15, 2007, 02:38:53 PM
I hope he's found peace at last.

My prayers go out to his family and friends. Regardless of my opinion on his views, it's still a sad day :(

~Kate~

Just a thought: I do not really see it as a sad day just because Fallwell kicks the bucket. Why? you may be asking....simple: If a TS person died and Fallwell heard about it, I would bet you 100 bucks that he would be spewing garbage about that person burning in hell, defying God, blah, blah, blah. So the world is better off without him, and the rest of his ilk should follow suit as far as I am concerned.

Quote from: Laura Elizabeth Jones on May 15, 2007, 02:49:17 PM
Just a thought: I do not really see it as a sad day just because Fallwell kicks the bucket. Why? you may be asking....simple: If a TS person died and Fallwell heard about it, I would bet you 100 bucks that he would be spewing garbage about that person burning in hell, defying God, blah, blah, blah. So the world is better off without him, and the rest of his ilk should follow suit as far as I am concerned.

He was a human being. He felt pain. He felt love. He hurt, and he laughed. People hated him. People loved him.

*I* loved him... Jerry, the person.

And I MISS him already. I've hated his words and what he did as much as anyone, and yet I'm in tears...

~Kate~

Okay, that is a valid point, to each her own.

Well, momma always said never speak ill of the dead, so I won't repeat here what I posted on Craig's List. That guy caused an immeasureable level of pain and suffering in the G & L community. So, I will leave it with karma is a b**** Jerry. Welcome to the other side in your next life.  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

It's a sad day because it didn't happen earlier, before he did all the damage he did.

Dennis

Quote from: Laura Elizabeth Jones on May 15, 2007, 02:49:17 PM

Quote from: Kate on May 15, 2007, 02:38:53 PM
I hope he's found peace at last.

My prayers go out to his family and friends. Regardless of my opinion on his views, it's still a sad day :(

~Kate~

Just a thought: I do not really see it as a sad day just because Fallwell kicks the bucket. Why? you may be asking....simple: If a TS person died and Fallwell heard about it, I would bet you 100 bucks that he would be spewing garbage about that person burning in hell, defying God, blah, blah, blah. So the world is better off without him, and the rest of his ilk should follow suit as far as I am concerned.

I do not wish death on anyone regardless of who they are or what they have said/done. I do not celebrate a persons death.

I try to rise above their ugliness, not swim in it.

I try to rise above their ugliness, not swim in it.

I couldn't agree more.

I too will not speak ill of the dead.

My most fervent hope is that right now he stands before Goddess and realizes all the things he has done.

May he find forgiveness in her infinite love.

-Sandy

I'm ambivalent about this.

Sad for his family and his little dog too (if he had one),

   I don't blame him for the results of his leadership within his community, I kind of blame those who followed him and who provided the power he needed to have the effect he did. The list of pinheads includes ronald raygun and many elected officials who really have no insight into the human condition.
   It's likely that others will rise to take his place of leadership amongst the unwashable. They will be followed just as easily.

   We need to mourn the continued death of sensibility.

Very sad.... even if he did hurt a lot of people...

I won't speak ill of the dead, and well, though I may not have had the best thoughts of the man... it's sad when anyone dies...

Hate begets hate, people... you can't stop people from hating you just by hating them back, gotta rise above all that and be the better people, and LOVE.

Quote from: ShyGothGirl on May 15, 2007, 07:11:01 PM
Hate begets hate, people... you can't stop people from hating you just by hating them back, gotta rise above all that and be the better people, and LOVE.

  I love that!  Be the better people!  it could be our slogan.

I honestly have mixed feelings.  I pray for his family and those who loved him, that they may be comforted.  As one Christian who often found myself at odds with what he said, I do still respect him in a lot of ways.  He was consistent.  He was pro-life, but he didn't just rail against abortion like so many.  Instead, he spent massive amounts of money to found a home for mothers from abused homes and those who had been kicked out of their houses.  He once came to a meeting where I was and spoke.  I thought it would be like going into the snake's den.  But we got to see a side of him that was much different than the one in the TV spotlight.  And his organization does work very hard in the adoption process.  These, IMHO, are very good things, and I believe in giving credit where credit is due.

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Germany, in the twenties, had some real serious problems getting their trains to run on time. Hitler solved that mess.  And the populace gave him great credit for it.  It gained him a good deal of popularity.  Yes, they gave him credit where credit was due. But what did THAT gain them?

If a man is called of God, then how can that man have such a vile contempt for [some] of God's children, like US?  Yes, we should take a look at his actions, and exactly the impact they have had on our country. 

I don't know how much argument I'll get from what I am about to say, but the moral majority has brought a horrible movement to this country and a tremendous loss in human life as a result.  We are now one of the least tolerant first world countries. We have a very low literacy rate.  And our government, fully supported and now run by the "moral majority", sponsors corporate greed on unprecedented scale.  Not since the times of the robber barons have we cared so little for our people.  We deny them healthcare, take their jobs, and leave masses in unrequieted poverty.  And now, our Christian soldiers are marching onward in the middle east while the moral majority attempts to hijack our constitution.

I really don't believe that this is what Christ taught or wanted.  To be fair, Falwell is not the principal cause of our woes.  There are many who share the glory with him.  I believe that he followed his beliefs and he tried very hard to do what he thought was just.  He worked on his last day in his cause for what he believed was righteousness.  I believe that he spent the money given in donations to the worthy causes he believed in rather than stashing it in his own pocket.

So, to the man and his family, I share my condolonces.  But I can not shed a tear for this man. For he was just a man who led us down the proverbial primrose path.  Faith based beliefs can not be the measure by which we govern. That ultimately brings out the very worst in any government. I wish that he had stayed clear of politics. For then, I would likely have had some admiration for his deeds.

So... does this mean that I have a cold, black heart?

Cindi

All you can say is RIP.  I was taught not to speak ill of the dead either because if you do, they come at night and pull your feet.  And yes it is true!  :icon_nervious:

tink :icon_chick:

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 15, 2007, 10:30:51 PM

So... does this mean that I have a cold, black heart?

Cindi

Nope and I love ya even more   :icon_hug:

i respect people who deserve my respect. i take no shame in the fact that i do not treat every person equally. none. and I rejoice at seeing the death of falwell because he was somebody who i think the world is much, much better without.
there are other christians who i do think make the world a better place, and i certainly wouldn't rejoice at their death. likewise, there are some atheists i can't stand, who i'd feel no remorse over if they died. no religion holds a monopoly on cretins. i mourn the loss of those i care about, and i rejoice at the loss of people i hate. this isn't rocket science.

Quote from: Katia on May 16, 2007, 01:14:41 AM
...and i rejoice at the loss of people i hate.

Then are you not just sinking to their level?

"It's so awful that they hate us, so I am gonna hate back and give them a reason to hate me more, so I will hate them more..." and on and on and on...

*sighs*

Just seems extraordinarily hypocritical to me...

hate is the thing with poisoned spikes.

I'm sorry for his family, but I won't miss him (or others who "at times" preach hate).

Sometimes all preachers teach things that are not Biblical, things that fit "their own" agenda's both personally or politically.

Sarah L.

I hear that Fred Phelps is going to be protesting at his funeral.

It's sad when anybody loses a family member. I agreed with Mr. Fallwell some things, disagreed on others but I respected and admired him. Mu sympathy goes out to his family.

Gennee  

:(

Interesting.  I didn't add any comments when I posted the news bulletin so that I wouldn't influence the comments that followed.  As I say, interesting.  Personally I found Jerry Fallwell to be a divisive influence on society and did not care for his theological leanings at all.  However, he was a husband and father so I do feel sympathy for his family even as I don't shed tears for him.

Beverly

   I always had the sense that his public persona was probably harsher than his private one. I don't know this, but I would bet that he treated the people against whom he railed better than we suspect when he would meet them in person.
   I don't know this either, but I think that some of these divisive figures put forth what we perceive as a mean persona because it allows them to hammer on specific points in an overly simplified fashion which allows their audiences to comprehend them on more of a gut level than a brainy level.
   It's like Howard Stern, who many people claim is a polite and quite man in his personal life, but is a cartoon character in public. I think there are a lot of these people who do this. I believe Stern is a very intelligent man, but down shifts on purpose.

Just my theory.

I'm also surprised that we've devoted this many Bytes to the guy. I guess he accomplished what he wanted to.

I think it's sad he has died, only because he has not learned the final lesson one must learn to be a complete human animal: solace in the reality you probably will never know or understand everything. I say that, because in contrast, Ayn Rand herself showed this trait as she approached her final years of her own life, even privately retracting her stance against homosexuality as the science (in the late 1970s) was showing signs of favoring a biological origin for it. For Falwell, I never seen this in his character, so whatever judgment I have of his character still stands. I won't say his death was good or bad, because death is simply the end of an existence, and nothing more. It's an end to a story. A story, which I think could have ended better.

-- Brede

i'll never forgive myself.  how could i have said the "h" word?  shame on me!  ::)  i stand by what i posted.  i love, i hate, i'm human, and lots of other things but i'm not a hypocrite.

 :D you have you're opinion, I have mine... still love ya girl. *Hugglez*  ;D

   I want to take back what I said about the guy maybe only putting on the hate for his audience. I read some articles and I think he was more of a menace than I thought.
   I still don't hate him because it's a waste of my good self to do so. I definitely disapprove of the divisiveness of his stances.

   I want to apologize because I always try to see the best in other people. {I'm not apologizing for trying to find the good. I'm apologizing because I wasted my time, and yours, doing so in this case.}

Was anyone aware of the fact that, before he came out as a gay man, Rev. Dr. Mel White (founder of SoulForce) ghost wrote two of Falwell's books (If I Should Die Before I Wake and Strength for the Journey)?

Beverly

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on May 17, 2007, 10:12:51 AM
Was anyone aware of the fact that, before he came out as a gay man, Rev. Dr. Mel White (founder of SoulForce) ghost wrote two of Falwell's books (If I Should Die Before I Wake and Strength for the Journey)?

I was.  But then you expected that, didn't you.

Quote from: Lisbeth on May 17, 2007, 10:44:00 AM

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on May 17, 2007, 10:12:51 AM
Was anyone aware of the fact that, before he came out as a gay man, Rev. Dr. Mel White (founder of SoulForce) ghost wrote two of Falwell's books (If I Should Die Before I Wake and Strength for the Journey)?

I was.  But then you expected that, didn't you.

Well duh.  Yeah from you and Kristi and a couple of others.  BTW, got a copy of The Message.  Interesting to say the least.

Beverly

Having worked in Christian (in management) publishing, I can tell you there are many "dark," well hidden secrets only know among insiders of the industry.

Sarah L.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on May 17, 2007, 11:08:42 AM
Having worked in Christian (in management) publishing, I can tell you there are many "dark," well hidden secrets only know among insiders of the industry.

Sarah L.

yeah.... money can do that to just about any worthwhile cause ;)

Cindi

Quote from: Sarah Louise on May 17, 2007, 11:08:42 AM
Having worked in Christian (in management) publishing, I can tell you there are many "dark," well hidden secrets only know among insiders of the industry.

Sarah L.

Hey, you can't just say that and then not give us the scoop.   :-\

I will say it and leave it at that.  All information I have is in the past, I have not worked in Christian publishing for many many years.  And airing their dirty laundry does not help anyone.  So many major authors books are ghost written.

All I was really trying to say is that People are People, no matter what their belief system is.  There are no perfect Christians.

Sorry.

Sarah L.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on May 17, 2007, 12:07:58 PM
I will say it and leave it at that.  All information I have is in the past, I have not worked in Christian publishing for many many years.  And airing their dirty laundry does not help anyone.  So many major authors books are ghost written.

All I was really trying to say is that People are People, no matter what their belief system is.  There are no perfect Christians.

Sorry.

Sarah L.

It's okay. I was just goofing. I need to find a way of letting people know when I'm doing that.

It is ok Rebecca, I tend to have a very undeveloped and dry sense of humor.  Most people don't get it when I am joking either, partially because I do it so seldom.

Sarah L.

Quote from: Katia on May 17, 2007, 12:46:19 AM
i'll never forgive myself.  how could i have said the "h" word?  shame on me!  ::)  i stand by what i posted.  i love, i hate, i'm human, and lots of other things but i'm not a hypocrite.

If you have a philosophy of life that includes allowing you to hate people, fine.  Thanks for being honest about it.  But IMHO it means that you lose the right to criticize others who do because they do.  I am sure you are not a hypocrite.  And I don't believe Falwell was either.  He was totally true to his own philosophy.  Does that make everything right?  Of course not.  For that matter, Hitler was no hypocrite.  He even died for his beliefs, as convoulted and evil as they were.

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Okay let me say this.... Destruction, Deception, equals Evil.  You bet I cheer when one of Gods real enemies, the worst kind, (the kind that uses God's name and the christian religion to hide behind as they do their evil works),  is finally held accountable. You bet I hated this man, because I hate evil and his works is what tells you what kind of man he was, pure evil. Glad he is gone, so very glad.  At the same time I take the responsibility on for helping to clean up the damage he has done in society.  Too bad clean up does not come with the number of followers that the destruction had huh? But either way, if I am not part of the solution I suppose I am then part of the problem. I do hate evil and I do not feel a bit of shame in doing so.  So yea, I admit it, it even shocked my wife when I cheered that this peace of evil garbage was erased from the earth and is now reeping what he sowed. If God wants me to feel otherwise to those that spit in his face, I would be shocked.

Peace
Taylor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XBMwgzO2fk
/me adjusts her halo...

You see the face on the tv screen
Coming at you every sunday
See that face on the billboard
That man is me

On the cover of the magazine
Theres no question why Im smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You buy a piece of me

Ill get you everything you wanted
Ill get you everything you need
Dont need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me

Cos jesus he knows me
And he knows Im right
Ive been talking to jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows Im right
And hes been telling me
Everything is alright

I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she dont know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night

Do you believe in god
Cos thats what Im selling
And if you wanna get to heaven
Ill see you right

You wont even have to leave your house
Or get outta your chair
You dont even have to touch that dial
Cos Im everywhere

And jesus he knows me
And he knows Im right
Ive been talking to jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows Im right
Well hes been telling me
Everythings gonna be alright

Wont find me practising what Im preaching
Wont find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, dont do as I do

Im counting my blessings,
Ive found true happiness
Cos Im getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book,
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away

Therell be no doubt in your mind
Youll believe everything Im saying
If you wanna get closer to him
Get on your knees and start paying

Cos jesus he knows me
And he knows Im right
Ive been talking to jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows Im right
Well hes been telling me
Everythings gonna be alright, alright

Jesus he knows me
Jesus he knows me, you know...

Amen sister. LOL

Peace
Taylor

I had a few things to share about Falwell's passing:

http://www.skippingtothepiccolo.com/2007/05/reflecting-on-falwells-passing.html

See you there!

David,

the thread is not working, can you re post it? Thanks!

Taylor

Touch the screen!  Oh that is funny.  I'm choking on my drink.

Cindi

Dang it, there is nothing coming up on my screen except, this page cannot load...what the heck?  I wanna see, help!

LOL
Taylor
One more thing...Cindi, don't you remember when they told people this crap? I remember it back in the 70's and old people would actually do it!  Too funny.

Peace
Taylor

ha ha ha ha  you're funny kristi.  while i express my condolences for his family and friends, i also realize that jerry falwell was a bigoted anti-gay preacher who at every turn opposed giving gay men and women equal opportunities to live lives free from prejudice; sadly, his legacy will be one of divisiveness.  just in case you don't know, he was at various time opposed to integration, interracial marriage, and most recently, gay rights; in evaluating rev. falwell's comments i always used to ask myself, what would his god say? surely a man who preached love and forgiveness and inclusion would despise someone like falwell attributing the 9/11 attacks to feminists and homosexuals and "abortionists". while rev. falwell's death is a loss to his family and friends, it is no loss to those who seek equal rights for all men and women to pursue the american dream. thanks kristi, for giving me this opportunity to remember falwell's divisive legacy.   tsk tsk tsk

Quote from: taylor on May 17, 2007, 10:40:30 PM
Dang it, there is nothing coming up on my screen except, this page cannot load...what the heck?  I wanna see, help!

LOL
Taylor
One more thing...Cindi, don't you remember when they told people this crap? I remember it back in the 70's and old people would actually do it!  Too funny.

Peace
Taylor

Make sure you have flash player from adobe installed...

Quote from: Kristi on May 17, 2007, 02:42:34 PM
For that matter, Hitler was no hypocrite. 

Other than the being part Jew thing, no?  :laugh:

Hate people for being evil, hate people for being oppressive, hate people for hurting others and the very fiber of society and the human race itself. There's no hypocrisy in not wanting to be hated for medical problems or genetic defects, or simple personal preference.

The difference between saying "Right wingers who hate gays/minorities and want to pass laws oppressing them should be put to death" and "The jews/gays are ruining the country and should be put to death" is that just being jewish or gay and standing around doesn't hurt anyone - funneling millions of dollars, swaying the weak willed, and actively trying to establish legal or military oppression against someone harms LOTS of people and sets the entire planet's society back.

I guess that makes me a proponent of hate speech. Truth be told I as pro-hate/death as I am for anyone who wishes to persecute and oppress people, I really very, very rarely am subject to feelings of hatred. I just don't see the point in getting so worked up about things I cannot personally affect.

I have no obligation or desire to greet everyone with "love." Love is the highest form of respect and the most guarded gift one can give to someone else and I do not see it prudent to greet every living being, especially those who have sworn themselves as my enemy, with it so I can feel morally superior. Moral superiority is the inspiration for their actions, not mine.

Susan,
I do have flash player, so I am not sure what the problem is. But will maybe upgrade it and see if that was what is needed.

Quote from: Katia on May 18, 2007, 12:52:22 AM
ha ha ha ha  you're funny kristi.  ......  thanks kristi, for giving me this opportunity to remember falwell's divisive legacy.   tsk tsk tsk

Hey, Katia!  I'm glad you see humor in this. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cheesebuerger.de%2Fimages%2Fsmilie%2Fkonfus%2Fc010.gif&hash=7ffc469f1f7cd7b12c80626fd40b24c79c0e3642)

But just to clarify, I agree with you on all of those things you mention.  They were not goods things.  I hate those things.  But I do not hate him as an individual.  If I were to do so I would stoop to such a low level that I would be like the one I am criticizing.  I am unwilling to do so.  And if I hate a person, then hatred and evil has won a significant victory in my life.  But if I can hate things while loving people I am free to use that energy to bring about positive change and counteract the evil, rather than becoming like it.  So, in short, I feel that there is enough hatred of people in this world.  I choose not to play that game.  I know that, if nothing else, my own peace of mind makes it worth it to me.

Wishing you all the best,
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Quote from: Autumn on May 18, 2007, 03:16:14 AM
Hate people for being evil, hate people for being oppressive, hate people for hurting others and the very fiber of society and the human race itself. There's no hypocrisy in not wanting to be hated for medical problems or genetic defects, or simple personal preference.

The difference between saying "Right wingers who hate gays/minorities and want to pass laws oppressing them should be put to death" and "The jews/gays are ruining the country and should be put to death" is that just being jewish or gay and standing around doesn't hurt anyone - funneling millions of dollars, swaying the weak willed, and actively trying to establish legal or military oppression against someone harms LOTS of people and sets the entire planet's society back.

I guess that makes me a proponent of hate speech. Truth be told I as pro-hate/death as I am for anyone who wishes to persecute and oppress people, I really very, very rarely am subject to feelings of hatred. I just don't see the point in getting so worked up about things I cannot personally affect.

I have no obligation or desire to greet everyone with "love." Love is the highest form of respect and the most guarded gift one can give to someone else and I do not see it prudent to greet every living being, especially those who have sworn themselves as my enemy, with it so I can feel morally superior. Moral superiority is the inspiration for their actions, not mine.

   I feel that Autumn comes close to describing my attitude. Personally, I know from experience that if I go anywhere near hate that my heart blackens and my mind becomes full of poison and pain. Those feelings incapacitate me in terms of doing something productive in response to the person who triggers it.
   Hate also tends to turn off other people when you are explaining your point of view. It often can cause one to skip the useful argument they have and resort to rhetoric and hyperbole which carries little useful truth with it.

   I also believe that it may not be such a bad thing that the haters (of us & others) are so prolific and public. It would be worse if they stayed entirely quiet and worked to  hurt us while leaving no evidence of their true feelings or attitudes. By showing their faces, we know who they are. We know how they intend to attack us. We know their motivations which really helps in rallying other groups and individuals.  And we understand how important it is for us to remain a community.

  I prefer to just love, and when that isn't enough, I prefer to just believe that one day each black heart will become clean.

Quote from: Susan on May 17, 2007, 09:09:22 PM
/me adjusts her halo...

Aaaaamen!  Preach it, sister!

Quote from: David W. Shelton on May 17, 2007, 09:36:47 PM
http://skippingtothepiccolo.com/2007/05/reflecting-on-falwells-passing.html

This instead:

http://www.skippingtothepiccolo.com/2007/05/reflecting-on-falwells-passing.html

Quote from: Kristi on May 18, 2007, 10:06:02 AM
But just to clarify, I agree with you on all of those things you mention.  They were not goods things.  I hate those things.  But I do not hate him as an individual.  If I were to do so I would stoop to such a low level that I would be like the one I am criticizing.  I am unwilling to do so.  And if I hate a person, then hatred and evil has won a significant victory in my life.  But if I can hate things while loving people I am free to use that energy to bring about positive change...

You got it. Exactly.

I read a really nice rule *somewhere* (lol) that says:


If only everyone were willing to apply that to their lives beyond internet forums...

Hopeful,
~Kate~

Bad news, everyone.

Fallwell was resurrected last night.  I saw him this morning trying to suck the brain out of a 7/11 clerks head. He saw me and said to say "hello".

To quote (a bit out of context, or perhaps not) from this song (starting around 3:13):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp0Z9C6U7hk
(couldn't get the YouTube tags to work)

You're a disgrace to the concept of family
The priest won't divulge that fact in his homily
I'll stand up and scream, if the mourning remain quiet,
You can deck out a lie in a suit -- but I won't buy it!
I won't join the procession that's speaking their piece
Using five-dollar words, while praising his integrity,
And just 'cause he's gone, it doesn't change the fact
He was a bastard in life -- thus a bastard in death!

That's what I think of Jerry Falwell.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 15, 2007, 01:33:13 PM
A colorful figure to be sure which helped set our government back 50 years.

Cindi

FIFTY YEARS?? How so?

Gennee

Quote from: David W. Shelton on May 17, 2007, 09:36:47 PM
I had a few things to share about Falwell's passing:

http://www.skippingtothepiccolo.com/2007/05/reflecting-on-falwells-passing.html

See you there!

It's fixed now. OOPS

Quote from: RebeccaFog on May 18, 2007, 11:45:28 AM
Bad news, everyone.

Fallwell was resurrected last night.  I saw him this morning trying to suck the brain out of a 7/11 clerks head. He saw me and said to say "hello".

That's it. No more TBN for you.

Quote from: David W. Shelton on May 18, 2007, 07:23:55 PM

Quote from: David W. Shelton on May 17, 2007, 09:36:47 PM
I had a few things to share about Falwell's passing:

http://www.skippingtothepiccolo.com/2007/05/reflecting-on-falwells-passing.html

See you there!

It's fixed now. OOPS

Quote from: RebeccaFog on May 18, 2007, 11:45:28 AM
Bad news, everyone.

Fallwell was resurrected last night.  I saw him this morning trying to suck the brain out of a 7/11 clerks head. He saw me and said to say "hello".

That's it. No more TBN for you.

What's TBN?

Quote from: RebeccaFog on May 18, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
What's TBN?

Trinity Broadcasting Network: the whacko fundy cable TV station... the one with the lady with the purple hair.

David,
Thanks for fixing the link. 

Peace
Taylor

David,

A well balanced response.  Thank you!

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And Finally....Death isn't always sad. (smirking) This week the reverend Jerry Falwell died and millions of Americans asked why? why God? Why didn't you take Pat Robertson with him? (laughing, clapping). I don't want to say that Jerry was disliked by the Gay community, but tonight in NYC at exactly 8 O'clock, Broadway theatres along the great white way for 2 minutes turned their lights up.

Now, I know that you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead but I think we can make an exception because speaking ill of the dead was kind of Jerry Falwell's hobby. He was the guy who said that AIDS was God's punishment for homosexuality and that 9/11 was brought on by pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and the ACLU, or as I like to call them – my studio audience (wild clapping and screaming).

But I found it surreal this week watching people on the news praise Falwell, followed by a clip package of what he actually said. Things like homosexuals are part of a vile and satanic system that will be utterly anahiliated. If you're a born again Christian you're a failure...if you're NOT a born again Christian you're a failure as a human being. Feminists just need a man around the house. There is no separation of church and state. And of course, everyone's favorite - the purple Teletubby is gay.

Jerry Falwell found out that you could launder your hate through the cover of God's will. He didn't hate gays. God does. All Jerry Falwell's power came from name dropping God. And gay people should steal that trick. You know what? Don't say you want something because it's your right as a human being. Say you want it because it's your religion. Gay men have been going at things backwards! (laughing)

Forget civil rights and just make gayness a religion - I mean - you're kneeling anyway! (laughter & clapping) And it's easy to start a religion - watch - I'll do it for you...I had a vision last night! A vision! The blessed Virgin Mary came to me... I don't how she got past the guards and she told me it's high time to take the high ground from the Seventh Day Adventists and give it to the 24 hour party people. And that what happens in the confessional, stays in the confessional.

Gay men, don't say that you're life partners! Say you're a nunnery of two. "We weren't having sex officer, I was performing a very private mass, here in my car, I was letting my rod and my staff comfort him." (wild laughing & clapping) Take this and eat of it, for this is my roommate Barry. And for all those who truly believe, there's a special place for you in Kevin.

And speaking of heaven, one can only hope that as Jerry Falwell now approaches the pearly gates, he's met there by God himself - wearing a fire island muscle shirt and nut hugger shorts and saying to Jerry in a mighty lisp "I'm not talking to you" (wild laughing & clapping).

I'm not from the States but I'm a Christian.  However,  I think that the attempt by those who glorify him and his teachings to make him a martyr now in his death sickens me. He was sexist, racist and homophobic.  A bigot in the truest sense of the word.

Jeannette,

I absolutely have no desire to praise evil (under any name, religion etc.), amazes me at how lost the world can really be in the name of "being saved".

In a way, I agree.  Jerry Falwell was a bigot.

However, I will never celebrate the death of one that did so much good in his life.  I will not judge someone by their evil acts, but by their good ones.  Unless, of course, the evil far outweighs the good.  I know that when my daughter had cancer before she passed, even though he knew I was a tgirl he STILL gave a $10,000 check to us to pay for medical care.


Some people will disagree with this statement.  Some will agree.  :::shrug:::

Be careful whom you judge so harshly... I've found in my life that those who despise being judged are often the loudest about THEIR judgements.

Quote from: Trinity on May 21, 2007, 05:30:28 AM
In a way, I agree.  Jerry Falwell was a bigot.

However, I will never celebrate the death of one that did so much good in his life.  I will not judge someone by their evil acts, but by their good ones.  Unless, of course, the evil far outweighs the good.  I know that when my daughter had cancer before she passed, even though he knew I was a tgirl he STILL gave a $10,000 check to us to pay for medical care.


Some people will disagree with this statement.  Some will agree.  :::shrug:::

Be careful whom you judge so harshly... I've found in my life that those who despise being judged are often the loudest about THEIR judgements.

   This confirms my first thought that he was projecting an exaggerated persona in public.  Not that I excuse the over the top statements.

   Did you ever meet the guy, Trinity?