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Title: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 12:16:36 PM
So it seems blond jokes are commonplace, not just here but all over in real life. I understand some (most?) people don't mind them,  but I find them offensive, for the same reason I find all such ethnic jokes offensive...it stereotypes an entire group of people with a negative trait.

When I was growing up (early 70's) such jokes--primarily about "ni**ers"--were all the rage, but my mom would have nothing to do with them, and taught me to respect people for themselves, because that's the right thing to do.

Yet here it is, in tbe21st century, and the only "acceptable" butts of jokes are blonds, and white males.

And rich people.

May I ask, if you partake of these things, what it is you find funny about them? Do you--you, not famous comedians--deliver other ethnic jokes? Given that people find them offensive, why?

And don't mention "thin skins"...some ethnic joke punchlines are about critically important personal traits, like intelligence and work ethics. Such very personal traits deserve to be defended, thin skins be damned.

Open discussion otherwise.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 12:29:31 PM
I'm blonde.   I don't mind them.  In fact I like being stereotyped as ditzy.  People put their guards down, and that is when I STRIKE!
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Shawn Sunshine on January 14, 2013, 12:30:05 PM
I dunno its basically the same mentality of shows like South Park and Family Guy, make fun of everyone, and when everyone is made fun of, no one will be funny anymore. I like a good joke though as long as it doesn't harm anyone.

Black comedians can get away with making fun of white folks, because of the painful past of slavery and racism, I think.

But people do take it way too far, I personally do not find making fun of blondes to be funny, but I have brown hair and I can be a total air head sometimes and do something that people find funny.

Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Joe. on January 14, 2013, 12:36:12 PM
This is a difficult one. I find them funny, but I'm not too sure why it's based on blonde people as I don't actually know any stupid blonde people. People can be stupid regardless of their hair colour and I think that blonde just happens to be the colour that everyone has used for the joke. I can find jokes about other groups of people funny, it depends on the context though. Some jokes are funny, some just plain and simple go too far. I think the thing with humour is that everyone's is different. What one person finds funny can be very different to what another person finds funny, whether it's about a group of people or not. For example what people class as 'dirty jokes'. Some people find them absolutely hilarious and some people find them completely out of order. I think that humour is a very personal thing and if one person finds something funny, I think people should respect that. But it also goes the other way around. If someone doesn't find a joke funny, then you both leave it and you learn not to tell a joke like that again in the future. I have very different levels of humour and there are certain jokes that I would tell my friends because I know they'd find it funny but I wouldn't dream of telling my parents as they don't share my friend's humour. I've started to ramble on now. I hope this makes sense. I don't think you're wrong in what you're saying and I can see where you're coming from, but I don't necessarily think you're completely right either.
Joey
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 12:49:32 PM
I think an absolutely necessary component of ethnic or caste based discrimination is subjugation, therefore a non-oppressed class can never claim discrimination, imo.  Those words carry weight and feel like hate because they are loaded with a history of pain and suffering.  Also, the group in power can't be discriminated against, because, well, they have the power.  If you try to do anything to them, they'll just squash you.

So jokes about white men or blondes can't be put in the same category as racist or homophobic ones.   That's my opinion anyway.  I am sure some would disagree with me.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Joe. on January 14, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: Jen on January 14, 2013, 12:49:32 PM
So jokes about white men or blondes can't be put in the same category as racist or homophobic ones.   That's my opinion anyway.  I am sure some would disagree with me.

I think that jokes about white men can be put in the same category as racist and homophobic ones (White is a race). Not everywhere do white people have all the power.

Joey
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 12:58:51 PM
Where they don't have power I agree that they would be in the same category as other racist jokes, especially if in those places they have a history of being exploited or oppressed.

In the US and a LOT of places in the first world, no.
Title: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Padma on January 14, 2013, 01:02:32 PM
Interesting mention of South Park - who are the proximate cause of making many red haired people's lives more miserable, since they introduced their whole "gingers have no souls" thing into the cultural insult food chain. Personally, I don't like jokes that insult people anyway. I notice, incidentally, that blonde jokes don't single out blonds, just blonde *women*, so they're a handy vehicle for misogyny.
If you're the kind of person who isn't easily hurt by jibes and insults, be grateful and also cultivate some empathy for those who are not like you. I've been called all manner of things in my time for being, let's see: short-sighted, skinny, tall, Jewish, buck-toothed, smart, nerdy, not heterosexual enough, not homosexual enough, not a "proper man", not a "proper woman". It all hurt. Because it's meant to.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 01:19:20 PM
I can see the misogyny aspect, but its really tangential.  The reason blonde jokes exist is because blondes have been generally considered to be attractive for some reason and therefore aren't known for having to use their intellect to get by, and I know some people like brunettes etc.  But that's where the idea of a dumb blonde comes from.

I think the way society values appearance in women over intellect is misogynistic, so I'm kinda with you, but society does value looks in women, so I wouldn't say the foundation of the joke is oppressive per se.  I don't know I don't find blonde jokes offensive, yet if you substituted the word woman for blonde in any of those jokes I would find them very offensive.  Weird, but it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Brooke777 on January 14, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
I love blond jokes! Mainly because my three sisters are blond. They don't fit into any of the jokes, as they are all really smart. But, it is still fun to tease them.

I also partake in jokes about Native Americans. But, I only do this around my family and close family friends because my dad's side is Native American. I am actually the first generation born off the reservation.

I find that when people make jokes about themselves or their families it is OK. However, I don't like it when they make ones about other people. I just find it tasteless for some reason.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 01:30:12 PM
PS i don't think South Park with their ginger jokes or any of that stuff is funny in the least.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Jamie D on January 14, 2013, 01:56:32 PM
It is said the the essence of comedy is tragedy.

A man slips on a banana peel.  It is funny to everyone except the man.  So it goes with most jokes - somebody has to be the foil.

And life would be so dull without comedy, laughter, humor, and mirth.

Which reminds me...

There was a very successful blonde business woman, driving out in the countryside one weekend afternoon, in her convertible Mercedes.  As she rounded the corner of a tree-lined lane, she looked out in the field and saw a blonde farmgirl, sitting in a boat, trying to row!  On dry land!

This ditzy behavior made the businesswoman angry, so she stopped her car, and stood up, yelling at the farmgirl.

"It's dumb blondes like you that give all of us blondes a bad name!" she shouted.

"And if I knew how to swim, I swim out there and kick you ass!"

::)

(I know - I'm bad.  But sometimes I just can't help myself!)
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Shang on January 14, 2013, 02:19:01 PM
As long as the joke isn't being intended to be malicious, I'm okay with it.  I'll laugh and I'll make jokes and I don't get offended if people make jokes related to anything that I can be considered a part of and chances are I'll laugh and even joke about it as well.  Hell, one of my favorite jokes involves the trans* community.  But it's just a joke and nothing more. 

I don't understand getting offended at things like jokes unless it was quite obvious that the person was being malicious about it and/or really believes what the joke is saying.

Edit: 

Specifically on blonde jokes:  I have occasionally engaged in them, but primarily with my sister and mother [who are both blonde haired] who will laugh and then give a wickedly funny blonde joke back and/or give a brunette joke back [I'm a brunette].  I've only really done the jokes when my sister or mother are doing something that is stereotypically blonde.  We're a rather laid back family, though, and don't get all that offended at jokes unless the intent is to hurt.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: crazy at the coast on January 14, 2013, 03:32:05 PM
I don't think you can compare a blonde joke to an ethnic joke. Blondes aren't really an oppressed group of people and not all blondes were born that way, some chose their blonde lifestyle.  I'm a mostly(ie "dirty") blonde person myself and I don't concern myself with blonde jokes as I don't see them as attacks or oppression, its just silliness. And I don't think people see a blonde and say "wow, there's one of them now, better not confuse them." 
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Elspeth on January 14, 2013, 03:36:41 PM
I only know one person who tells blonde jokes (and from her I think they are funny) -- but she's a someone who went to med school with my ex. Context and delivery are everything.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: Jaime on January 14, 2013, 03:32:05 PM
I don't think you can compare a blonde joke to an ethnic joke. Blondes aren't really an oppressed group of people and not all blondes were born that way, some chose their blonde lifestyle.  I'm a mostly(ie "dirty") blonde person myself and I don't concern myself with blonde jokes as I don't see them as attacks or oppression, its just silliness. And I don't think people see a blonde and say "wow, there's one of them now, better not confuse them."

That is irrelevant. Ethnic jokes are a way of keeping a people "in their place", and making ethnic jokes against "those in power" are a way of removing that group from their place. Keeping people in their place, and removing people, are both egregious actions against whole populations.

If it's justifiable because of past evils (none of which were done by those presently living), then we could justify oppressing any ethnic group, based on past behaviors and actions, even if it happened thousands of years ago. One of the basic tenets of justice is "the son shall not incur punishment for the actions of the father"...yet we see that in action here.

There was a time when blacks also partook of self-hating "jokes"...that's the basic argument for why NO ONE should use the "N" word, even (especially!) black people. Yassuh, Massuh Suh, we's be dum n happy fo' Massuh...

If you want to be oppressed, accept and perform these things...if you don't want to be, then DON'T. If "being squashed" is in fact a real threat, face it head on! Squash back! It's been done before in history, where a small group (not 10 individuals, but perhaps 10 individuals who rallied AN ENTIRE SUBJUGATED PEOPLE) took on a great power and WON. If you're not willing to fight for your place, then perhaps you are, by nature, a subjugatable people?

Hey, did you hear about the blond...

Hey, did you hear about the Jew...

Hey, did you hear the one about the priest...

Don't want oppression in any form? Don't do "jokes" that are tools of oppression.

Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: peky on January 14, 2013, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 12:16:36 PM
So it seems blond jokes are commonplace, not just here but all over in real life. I understand some (most?) people don't mind them,  but I find them offensive, for the same reason I find all such ethnic jokes offensive...it stereotypes an entire group of people with a negative trait.

When I was growing up (early 70's) such jokes--primarily about "ni**ers"--were all the rage, but my mom would have nothing to do with them, and taught me to respect people for themselves, because that's the right thing to do.

Yet here it is, in tbe21st century, and the only "acceptable" butts of jokes are blonds, and white males.

And rich people.



and you forgot the and the jokes about the FAT PEOPLE

BWT they are still making ethnic jokes in the 21st century.


When you go to the dungeons of the rich people's house in the ruins of Pompeii you will see jokes written in Aramaic by the Jews making fun of their roman masters...

Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: crazy at the coast on January 14, 2013, 04:43:29 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, but I'm starting to think I might just be a little too blonde to get this, but it just seems to me that you're really stretching things here where blonde jokes are concerned.

Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Jamie D on January 14, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 04:19:45 PM
That is irrelevant. Ethnic jokes are a way of keeping a people "in their place", and making ethnic jokes against "those in power" are a way of removing that group from their place. Keeping people in their place, and removing people, are both egregious actions against whole populations.

If it's justifiable because of past evils (none of which were done by those presently living), then we could justify oppressing any ethnic group, based on past behaviors and actions, even if it happened thousands of years ago. One of the basic tenets of justice is "the son shall not incur punishment for the actions of the father"...yet we see that in action here.

There was a time when blacks also partook of self-hating "jokes"...that's the basic argument for why NO ONE should use the "N" word, even (especially!) black people. Yassuh, Massuh Suh, we's be dum n happy fo' Massuh...

If you want to be oppressed, accept and perform these things...if you don't want to be, then DON'T. If "being squashed" is in fact a real threat, face it head on! Squash back! It's been done before in history, where a small group (not 10 individuals, but perhaps 10 individuals who rallied AN ENTIRE SUBJUGATED PEOPLE) took on a great power and WON. If you're not willing to fight for your place, then perhaps you are, by nature, a subjugatable people?

Hey, did you hear about the blond...

Hey, did you hear about the Jew...

Hey, did you hear the one about the priest...

Don't want oppression in any form? Don't do "jokes" that are tools of oppression.

Beth Andrea, I have seen places where real oppression takes place.  I would not go so far as to compare jokes to political oppression and other forms of tyranny.  In fact, the comparison is offensive.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Constance on January 14, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: Pleasingly Plump Jamie D on January 14, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
Beth Andrea, I have seen places where real oppression takes place.  I would not go so far as to compare jokes to political oppression and other forms of tyranny.  In fact, the comparison is offensive.
I think I'd have to agree with the idea that jokes can be "tools of oppression." Thoughts and words can lead to actions. What one person dismisses as humor or satire can be seen as "outrageous bigotry" to another.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
Quote from: Pleasingly Plump Jamie D on January 14, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
Beth Andrea, I have seen places where real oppression takes place.  I would not go so far as to compare jokes to political oppression and other forms of tyranny.  In fact, the comparison is offensive.

Real oppression doesn't happen overnight, Jamie. In fact, the time between the disparaging an entire group of people and their subjugation is often surprisingly quick.

What is offensive is turning a blind eye to the tools of oppression.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 04:19:45 PM
That is irrelevant. Ethnic jokes are a way of keeping a people "in their place", and making ethnic jokes against "those in power" are a way of removing that group from their place. Keeping people in their place, and removing people, are both egregious actions against whole populations.

If it's justifiable because of past evils (none of which were done by those presently living), then we could justify oppressing any ethnic group, based on past behaviors and actions, even if it happened thousands of years ago. One of the basic tenets of justice is "the son shall not incur punishment for the actions of the father"...yet we see that in action here.

There was a time when blacks also partook of self-hating "jokes"...that's the basic argument for why NO ONE should use the "N" word, even (especially!) black people. Yassuh, Massuh Suh, we's be dum n happy fo' Massuh...

If you want to be oppressed, accept and perform these things...if you don't want to be, then DON'T. If "being squashed" is in fact a real threat, face it head on! Squash back! It's been done before in history, where a small group (not 10 individuals, but perhaps 10 individuals who rallied AN ENTIRE SUBJUGATED PEOPLE) took on a great power and WON. If you're not willing to fight for your place, then perhaps you are, by nature, a subjugatable people?

Hey, did you hear about the blond...

Hey, did you hear about the Jew...

Hey, did you hear the one about the priest...

Don't want oppression in any form? Don't do "jokes" that are tools of oppression.

Yeah I disagree with all of this obviously, my posts above explain why.  I think there is more nuance there, it's not quite so black and white.  It does seem like one of those situations where we have two fundamentally different worldviews going on, so we're probably never going to agree on this.

I guess that's one of the awesome things about the universe– you can have two intelligent people see an issue completely differently and for the most part both of their opinions can make sense and that can be okay.  :)
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Jaime on January 14, 2013, 04:43:29 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, but I'm starting to think I might just be a little too blonde to get this, but it just seems to me that you're really stretching things here where blonde jokes are concerned.

I could be.

But given in the US that ethnic and minority "oppression" (in the level of intensity Jamie mentions) has not happened in the US for 50 years or more...

What's to stop us from telling black jokes? And how quick is it from there, to Negro jokes...then to ni**er jokes? Pretty damn quick, I'd think.

How long will it be before blond jokes turn  into "white people" jokes? Then to "cracker" jokes? Then to "kill the white devils!" jokes?

But hey, telling ethnic jokes is harmless, right?

How hard is it for people to just say, "Golly, since this might be offensive to an ENTIRE GROUP of people, I just won't partake in these kinds of 'jokes'...I'm sure there are other kinds of funny things to say without calling an ENTIRE GROUP of people stupid, just for a laugh..."

Is it really that hard?



Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
Quote from: Snickerdoodle on January 14, 2013, 05:08:21 PM
This is no surprise to me. It reminds me of something I said recently.

It will continue to be this way because there are a lot of stupid people out there that cannot think for themselves. They just regurgitate what they see and hear elsewhere.

I would agree with this. Blonde jokes are hardly the same thing as "jokes" made about homosexuals or black people for example. You don't see groups of people attacking someone because they have blonde hair. You don't see blonde haired people being lynched and you don't have "Blonde" and "Brunette" lunch counters, drinking fountains, etc.

Honestly, I could think of several things about myself to make fun of. The same would apply to other people and it isn't malicious or hateful. It's just having a sense of humor about how absurd so many things are in society, life, etc.

It's stupid to be so hypersensitive about so many things when it is nothing more than a waste of life and energy. Why waste your life worrying about stuff like this? You can't change some people no matter how hard you try and at the end of the day nothing will be shown for it other than wasted life, time & effort.

But a "blond joke" isn't about you, as an individual. It is about an entire group of people. (And was mentioned before, about blond women, in particular).

They also aren't about "absurd things in society"...the joke about the blond BMW driver who couldn't swim is a perfect example...is there a societal problem with people in general not realizing you don't need to swim across a field? No...it is a blunt statement that blonds are seen as stupid.

Let's take that joke as an example...

QuoteThere was a very successful blonde black business woman, driving out in the countryside one weekend afternoon, in her convertible Mercedes.  As she rounded the corner of a tree-lined lane, she looked out in the field and saw a blonde black farmgirl, sitting in a boat, trying to row!  On dry land!

This ditzy behavior made the businesswoman angry, so she stopped her car, and stood up, yelling at the farmgirl.

"It's dumb blondes blacks like you that give all of us blondes blacks a bad name!" she shouted.

"And if I knew how to swim, I swim out there and kick you ass!"

That would be a racist joke...and few people, other than skinheads, would dare to say that out loud in public.

***

Now, the thing is, why do I have to sing and dance to try and get people to understand this?

Perhaps it's because the TV doesn't say jokes against whites are bad? That in fact, jokes against whites are a good thing...again, look at South Park et al.

QuoteQuote from: Snickerdoodle on 30 December 2012, 07:28:58

    You see a lot of trends that were bred from the Idiot Box.

I wonder how many of you would suddenly decide white jokes are passe, if the TV said so...?

Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Kevin Peña on January 14, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: Pleasingly Plump Jamie D on January 14, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
Beth Andrea, I have seen places where real oppression takes place.  I would not go so far as to compare jokes to political oppression and other forms of tyranny.  In fact, the comparison is offensive.

I have to say, you stole the words from my mouth. Go to the Dominican Republic, Beth. Women there can't even ride bikes or do many other things because it's frowned upon. Women there are oppressed. There are people oppressed in Chinese factories due to their economic status. There were people in the Congo being amputated with a machete simply for speaking out.

People laugh at blonde jokes for the same reason they do any other jokes: they find the jokes to not be things to take seriously. People know that blondes aren't all stupid, which is why blondes being stupid is known everywhere as a stereotype and a joke. The day when people start to consider such a thing to be a fact is when you should be worried, not when everyone is made fun of. EVERYONE.

Besides, if people had to stop doing things that entire groups would find offensive, then (gay people couldn't get married//blacks wouldn't be able to be considered as being people//birth control would have to be made illegal) to spare the feelings of Christians, you couldn't say "bless you" when people sneeze since it would offend atheists, you wouldn't be able to support feminism since it could offend a lot of men, you couldn't say that Superman would beat Goku in a fight since it would offends Goku fanboys, or do anything.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
Now, the thing is, why do I have to sing and dance to try and get people to understand this?

Perhaps it's because the TV doesn't say jokes against whites are bad? That in fact, jokes against whites are a good thing...again, look at South Park et al.

I wonder how many of you would suddenly decide white jokes are passe, if the TV said so...?

Ok, are you trying to call us stupid? You talk as though it's an easy thing to understand that people acknowledging how stupid a stereotype is and dismissing it as a joke is a bad thing.

I don't think jokes about anything are bad, as long as at the end of the day, you know that it's just that: a joke.

If you think that I'm some television mimic, then let me tell you that I, a minority, am against affirmative action.  :P
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: crazy at the coast on January 14, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
You are assuming that we have no idea where to draw the line at. We're not all sheep(sorry to any sheep that may be reading this) to that extent.  And I'm sure that blondes will not suffer employment discrimination or be afraid to go into brunette neighborhoods anytime soon all because of some jokes making fun of ludicrous stereotypes got a little out of hand. 

And  making a comparison between something as silly as blonde jokes and something as tragic and serious as racial oppression is kind of mocking what many ethnic groups have gone through during their overall existence as a group. There is just no reasonable comparison as far as I am concerned. 

And honestly, I just can't continue in this discussion beyond this point.

Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Kevin Peña on January 14, 2013, 05:28:49 PM
Quote from: Jaime on January 14, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
And  making a comparison between something as silly as blonde jokes and something as tragic and serious as racial oppression is kind of mocking what many ethnic groups have gone through during their overall existence as a group. There is just no reasonable comparison as far as I am concerned. 

You, Jaime, are one smart blond. Here's to you!
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Brooke777 on January 14, 2013, 05:32:56 PM
I have a question. Does anyone happen to know how blond jokes got started? Often, you can trace the origin of stereotypes. I'm just wondering if you can do this here.


Also, has anyone else noticed that many of these responses have an amazing little undertone of humor? I am loving this thread!
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Constance on January 14, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Brooke777 on January 14, 2013, 05:32:56 PM
I have a question. Does anyone happen to know how blond jokes got started? Often, you can trace the origin of stereotypes. I'm just wondering if you can do this here.
What I had once heard was that blond jokes came about as a response to political correctness making ethnic jokes offensive. That "reason" had to be tongue-in-cheek. Or, I'm just really missing something.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Shang on January 14, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:10:00 PM


What's to stop us from telling black jokes? And how quick is it from there, to Negro jokes...then to ni**er jokes? Pretty damn quick, I'd think.

How long will it be before blond jokes turn  into "white people" jokes? Then to "cracker" jokes? Then to "kill the white devils!" jokes?


Don't we already have jokes like that?  I've heard so many "n***** jokes" and "cracker jokes" and "kill the white devil jokes".  The first I've heard primarily from the black community [same with the "cracker jokes"].  The last I've heard sparingly from that community, but I've also heard it from white people as well.

I've also heard a lot worse jokes from a variety of people, but they were said entirely as jokes and nothing more; the people were not being malicious and didn't believe anything about the jokes.  They were just jokes to them.  Yes, some people may find the jokes offensive, but not all will.

It's entirely a matter of subjective opinion as to whether or not a joke is inappropriate or what that joke means.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 14, 2013, 05:42:04 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
How long will it be before blond jokes turn  into "white people" jokes? Then to "cracker" jokes? Then to "kill the white devils!" jokes?

But hey, telling ethnic jokes is harmless, right?

There are a lot of innocuous things in the world, which if enough one things lead to enough others then something bad could result.

I am sure you don't believe that acceptance of blonde jokes inevitably must lead to acceptance of kill the white devil jokes..  If the effect is not intrinsically tied to the cause, you really have to view and deal with them as separate things- blonde jokes possibly innocent, kill the white devil jokes probably not.

Quote from: Brooke777 on January 14, 2013, 05:32:56 PM
I have a question. Does anyone happen to know how blond jokes got started? Often, you can trace the origin of stereotypes. I'm just wondering if you can do this here.


Also, has anyone else noticed that many of these responses have an amazing little undertone of humor? I am loving this thread!

Google prolly knows..  I gave my guess earlier in the thread.

And yes, humor is very severe and serious business!
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Kevin Peña on January 14, 2013, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: Jen on January 14, 2013, 05:42:04 PM
And yes, humor is very severe and serious business!

I see what you did there.  ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 07:09:10 PM
Well, people are gonna do what they're gonna do...and rationalize it all.

Have a good time with it.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Kevin Peña on January 14, 2013, 07:14:34 PM
Geez, you make it sound like we're performing some of the worst atrocities in history.

Beth, I know you didn't want anyone to say this, but you need to develop a thicker skin.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: V M on January 14, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
Although I view 'Blonde Jokes" to be on the same level as any other derogatory slur, I don't let it bother me

I just walk away thinking the person making such rude remarks to be ignorantly insecure and kinda feel sorry for them that they feel the need to slight others based on something such as hair color

Such rude and disrespectful comments are their problem, not mine
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Kevin Peña on January 14, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: V M on January 14, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
Such rude and disrespectful comments are their problem, not mine

Quote from: V M on January 14, 2013, 08:15:30 PM
Wimps!!!

- Disqualified -

Who's to say what's a rude and disrespectful comment? Of course, I wasn't offended by this, but who's to say that jokingly insulting someone over cold intolerance is not rude?

My point is that some people take things too seriously. Live a little.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Ms. OBrien CVT on January 14, 2013, 09:27:03 PM
Not all jokes are to oppress others, but most of them are.

But rarely some are more of the opposite.  And I might tell one I know of that was told to me by a blonde friend.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Laura91 on January 14, 2013, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 14, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
I wonder how many of you would suddenly decide white jokes are passe, if the TV said so...?

I wouldn't be among them because I don't let the TV think for me. I don't even have cable.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BlonT on January 19, 2013, 09:38:49 AM
Life is a joke  >:-)
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: peky on January 20, 2013, 08:45:41 PM
Nobody is safe in my neck of the woods, we (my crew and I) would make jokes about anybody...we do not discriminate...whether you are: vertically-challenged, pigmented challenged, hygienically challenged, horizontally challenged, sex-challenged..etc , etc, etc...

Have not your heard the essence of being humans is the "we versus them"...

So, as far as blondes goes: "they rule!!!" please do not tell my girls they are both brunettes..
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: V M on January 25, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
It's not the blondes who are dumb, it's the people who don't understand their logic
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Shawn Sunshine on January 25, 2013, 11:26:33 PM
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I guess it all depends on tact, and whether someone is your friend, one does not simply go around telling perfect strangers blonde jokes.
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: BunnyBee on January 25, 2013, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: V M on January 25, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
It's not the blondes who are dumb, it's the people who don't understand their logic

Yeah!  I think we're on like an Aristotle level or something.  It's true!
Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Shawn Sunshine on January 25, 2013, 11:39:11 PM
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Title: Re: Blond jokes...whether good or bad, something to think about...
Post by: Brooke777 on January 26, 2013, 10:44:02 AM
I was talking with a few women in the bar last night, and I can be a little ditzy at times. Anyway, after a particularly airheady moment, one of them said "wow, you really need to dye your hair blond!"

I found it kid of funny actually.