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Hi Guys and Girls! :)
I am not sure if someone has asked the same question before, at least I couldn't find it using the search function. I recently came accross something i found really interesting and it is called Myerr Briggs Type Indicator. You can take the test online to see what your personality type is. There are 16 types total and knowing your own type can help you be aware of your strengths and flaws. Also you can read a detailed description of your personality type online.

A personality type consists of 4 letters:
E or I: Extravert of Introvert
S or N: Sensing or iNtuition
T or F: Thinking or Feeling
J or P: Judging or Perceiving

You can take the test over here: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)

My type is ENFJ (Teacher) and the description seems to fit me fairly well.

What is your type? Do you feel it is accurate? Did your type change during transition (maybe T versus F because of letting go of previous gender conditioning)?

I voted but didn't take the test, I've been typed a couple times. (Don't ask)

I'm an ISTP, and it fits me like a glove. Hugs, Devlyn

Hi Devlyn
Thank you for responding. based on our types it seems we are total opposites :D
hugs sweetie

I can fix that, my type is the Troubleshooter! Hugs, Devlyn

Hehe that is good to know! Since my type usually avoids conflicts there will be no problem to solve :p so i am probably boring for a troubleshooter :D

INFP

Think I got something different before but, I can see it's probably true. Yuck.  :icon_blah:

I always think these things are a bit like horoscopes. Practically every question I could say, well it depends, tell me the context and I may answer one way or the other depending on the situation we're talking about.

It gives me INTJ... but quite neutral between some of those categories.

This part made me laugh in the context of this forum: 'many (INTJs) also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.'

Holy crap... that pretty much got me absolutely perfectly. I got INFP. And the jobs that it recommended:

-Religious Education (yeah... I was a religion major in college.)
-Education (my post-college goal, before I gave up on it and became a poker dealer, was to be a teacher. I LOVE working with kids.)
-Graphics Design / Multimedia (I just love ALL forms of visual art, especially animation, although I haven't really ever pursued them despite it being a passion.)
-Musician (God, I LOVE singing. Again, though, I opted to pursue other things over this, although I'm still hoping to start a band some day.)
-Literature and Writing (my absolute FAVORITE hobby. Honestly, the only way that I was ever able to express my true gender identity before finally deciding to do it in real life, was through writing. And I'm still just writing, writing, writing, writing. I would have been a creative writing major in college if I could have been.)

And this quote from the description absolutely scared the hell out of me. (GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!)
"INFPs never seem to lose their sense of wonder. One might say they see life through rose-colored glasses. It's as though they live at the edge of a looking-glass world where mundane objects come to life, where flora and fauna take on near-human qualities. "

Yeah... this survey pretty much got me 100% perfectly. It managed to capture every single one my my major life interests, the very way that I seem to go through life, where I get pleasure in life, and how I respond to conflict (as in, not at all. I'm a complete "can't we just all get along?" pacifist.)

I think there's an existing poll buried in the backlog on this. I'll do this one too, but you might want to take a look at it, as it had a pretty long discussion that may add somewhat to whatever comes of this one.

INFP, fwiw. And I was paid, from about 19 years old, until my kids were born, for writing.

I think something might be hinky with the polling mechanics or maybe just alignment (or maybe I clicked funny?) as INTP is what's in boldface when I look at the poll, and there's only one entry for that type.

Quote from: cheetaking243 on February 17, 2013, 01:37:47 PM
And this quote from the description absolutely scared the hell out of me. (GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!)
"INFPs never seem to lose their sense of wonder. One might say they see life through rose-colored glasses. It's as though they live at the edge of a looking-glass world where mundane objects come to life, where flora and fauna take on near-human qualities. "

Yeah... this survey pretty much got me 100% perfectly. It managed to capture every single one my my major life interests, the very way that I seem to go through life, where I get pleasure in life, and how I respond to conflict (as in, not at all. I'm a complete "can't we just all get along?" pacifist.)

Sounds lovely, but doesn't describe me at all. I'm certainly no Pollyanna type. Think I got ENFP last time. But that doesn't seem to fit either because I'm a hermit.  :laugh:

I thought about taking it, but then I realized I have no personality.

Quote from: crazy at the coast on February 17, 2013, 02:10:29 PM
I thought about taking it, but then I realized I have no personality.

even more reason to try it! ;)

Quote from: Q on February 17, 2013, 01:15:41 PM
I always think these things are a bit like horoscopes. Practically every question I could say, well it depends, tell me the context and I may answer one way or the other depending on the situation we're talking about.

It gives me INTJ... but quite neutral between some of those categories.

This part made me laugh in the context of this forum: 'many (INTJs) also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.'

I would say mine probably reflects quite well my approach to 'trans' things actually - i.e. analyze them to death and consider all possibilities and outcomes in my head in a perfectionist kind of way.

'INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.' - fairly reflective of my approach of saying to myself I don't trust anyone else knows anything for certain about 'trans' anything and I'll rely on my own intuition.

It also calls me a 'rational mastermind' - makes me wonder if I should get a cat and take up 'bond villain' as my next career choice, lol.

Quote from: cheetaking243 on February 17, 2013, 01:37:47 PM
Holy crap... that pretty much got me absolutely perfectly. I got INFP. And the jobs that it recommended:

-Religious Education (yeah... I was a religion major in college.)
-Education (my post-college goal, before I gave up on it and became a poker dealer, was to be a teacher. I LOVE working with kids.)
-Graphics Design / Multimedia (I just love ALL forms of visual art, especially animation, although I haven't really ever pursued them despite it being a passion.)
-Musician (God, I LOVE singing. Again, though, I opted to pursue other things over this, although I'm still hoping to start a band some day.)
-Literature and Writing (my absolute FAVORITE hobby. Honestly, the only way that I was ever able to express my true gender identity before finally deciding to do it in real life, was through writing. And I'm still just writing, writing, writing, writing. I would have been a creative writing major in college if I could have been.)

And this quote from the description absolutely scared the hell out of me. (GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!)
"INFPs never seem to lose their sense of wonder. One might say they see life through rose-colored glasses. It's as though they live at the edge of a looking-glass world where mundane objects come to life, where flora and fauna take on near-human qualities. "

Yeah... this survey pretty much got me 100% perfectly. It managed to capture every single one my my major life interests, the very way that I seem to go through life, where I get pleasure in life, and how I respond to conflict (as in, not at all. I'm a complete "can't we just all get along?" pacifist.)

Wow! It's impressive how spot on the test is with you. It pretty much nailed my personality as well. You seem to be really creative and cute! I believe the INFP is called "The Dreamer"  ;D... personally i love NFP's and get along with them very well.

Quote from: sweetie87 on February 17, 2013, 02:22:54 PM

Wow! It's impressive how spot on the test is with you. It pretty much nailed my personality as well. You seem to be really creative and cute! I believe the INFP is called "The Dreamer"  ;D... personally i love NFP's and get along with them very well.

Oh, I thought I saw it called the 'Idealist'. So not me. 'Dreamer's not so bad, I suppose.

I always, always get the Pollyanna one.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 17, 2013, 02:31:38 PM
I always, always get the Pollyanna one.

Why am I not surprised?  :laugh:

The MBTI is a pretty established test. The free internet versions are shorter than the full test, but still accurate. The seemingly meaningless and repetitive, rephrased questions are all there for a reason.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator)

I'm an ENFP

I've been ISTJ every time I've ever taken it, and I think it fits really well. They tend to call it the 'Inspector', which is kinda cool.
ISTJ pretty much pegs me for engineering, which is really accurate. Science, math, logic, the works.
I like my personality! Even if no one else does.  :laugh:

I'm an ENFP, and it couldn't be more accurate.

I love ENFP's :D (and all the other types too :D) i really get along well with ENFP's :)

I myself and am ENFP, do a lot of these types of personal growth at my work.  We've done the DISK and the HBDI, they were all insightful into how I work.  It was really neat with my coworkers to see how we an better communicate amongst the teams based on how different individuals process information.

ENFJ
Extravert(11%)  iNtuitive(50%)  Feeling(50%)  Judging(1%)
You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (11%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (50%)
You have marginal or no preference of Judging over Perceiving (1%)

ENFJs... ...have tremendous charisma by which many are drawn into their nurturant tutelage and/or grand schemes. <hehe, yep

Many ENFJs have tremendous power to manipulate others with their phenomenal interpersonal skills and unique salesmanship. But it's usually not meant as manipulation -- ENFJs generally believe in their dreams, and see themselves as helpers and enablers, which they usually are.
^:( I'm manipulative, but good willed. sadly i have to agree with that. I've been getting better at it and also have been becoming less judgemental so I'm willing to bet that if i take this test in a year or two i'll get a different result.


wow, thanks for the post i'm glad i took the test. I just got hip to Jung a year or so ago after running into his archetypes without knowing he had written about them. It's great when you experience something directly and then you see it in the literature.

oh, and i've always felt like a teacher or a helper my whole life but never really understood why. It's just my personality!

xoxo

@jojoglowe; you're welcome, yeah it is so funny how spot on the test can be, just like you said you're a helper or teacher type and now it all falls into place by taking a simple test, it's just you :)

hugs from a fellow ENFJ

I've always gotten ISTJ, at least until I get angry. Then it turns into ehldfkjdfh. I get pretty extroverted then.  :)

ESTP

INTJ
Introvert(78%)  iNtuitive(50%)  Thinking(88%)  Judging(33%)
You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (78%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%)
You have strong preference of Thinking over Feeling (88%)
You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (33%)

Describes me well. This paragraph is so spot-on about my issues with communication that it's almost scary:

"This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness."

Chalk up another ENFJ!

Sounds pretty accurate to me :D

INTJ
Introvert(89%)  iNtuitive(25%)  Thinking(50%)  Judging(33%)
You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (89%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (25%)
You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (50%)
You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (33%)

ENFP
Extravert(11%)  iNtuitive(38%)  Feeling(25%)  Perceiving(11)%

You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (11%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (25%)
You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (11%)


I got pegged as ENFP, but the percentages weren't too strongly inclined that way.  This bit from the description absolutely nailed me though.  It's almost disturbingly spot on:

"ENFPs often have strong, if sometimes surprising, values and viewpoints. They tend to try to use their social skills and contacts to persuade others gently (though enthusiastically) of the rightness of these views; this sometimes results in the ENFP neglecting their nearest and dearest while caught up their efforts to change the world.

ENFPs can be the warmest, kindest, and most sympathetic of mates; affectionate, demonstrative, and spontaneous. Many in relationships with an ENFP literally say, "They light up my life." But there is usually a trade-off: the partner must be willing to deal with the practical and financial aspects of the relationship, and the ENFP must be allowed the freedom to follow their latest path, whatever that entails."

and this:
"ENFPs have what some call a "silly switch." They can be intellectual, serious, all business for a while, but whenever they get the chance, they flip that switch and become CAPTAIN WILDCHILD."

I admit that I stayed away from this thread because I didn't have a Mild Traumatic Brain Injury - I'm sometimes dyslexic.

But I'm another ENFP.

INTJ here.

ENFJ
Extravert(89%)  iNtuitive(12%)  Feeling(75%)  Judging(56%)

You have strong preference of Extraversion over Introversion (89%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%)
You have distinctive preference of Feeling over Thinking (75%)
You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (56%)

ENFJs are the benevolent 'pedagogues' of humanity. They have tremendous charisma by which many are drawn into their nurturant tutelage and/or grand schemes. Many ENFJs have tremendous power to manipulate others with their phenomenal interpersonal skills and unique salesmanship. But it's usually not meant as manipulation -- ENFJs generally believe in their dreams, and see themselves as helpers and enablers, which they usually are.

ENFJs are global learners. They see the big picture. The ENFJs focus is expansive. Some can juggle an amazing number of responsibilities or projects simultaneously. Many ENFJs have tremendous entrepreneurial ability.

ENFJs are, by definition, Js, with whom we associate organization and decisiveness. But they don't resemble the SJs or even the NTJs in organization of the environment nor occasional recalcitrance. ENFJs are organized in the arena of interpersonal affairs. Their offices may or may not be cluttered, but their conclusions (reached through feelings) about people and motives are drawn much more quickly and are more resilient than those of their NFP counterparts.

ENFJs know and appreciate people. Like most NFs, (and Feelers in general), they are apt to neglect themselves and their own needs for the needs of others. They have thinner psychological boundaries than most, and are at risk for being hurt or even abused by less sensitive people. ENFJs often take on more of the burdens of others than they can bear.

TRADEMARK: "The first shall be last"
This refers to the open-door policy of ENFJs. One ENFJ colleague always welcomes me into his office regardless of his own circumstances. If another person comes to the door, he allows them to interrupt our conversation with their need. While discussing that need, the phone rings and he stops to answer it. Others drop in with a 'quick question.' I finally get up, go to my office and use the call waiting feature on the telephone. When he hangs up, I have his undivided attention!

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This is me to a t, lol. I've always been this type. The description is super accurate, I think it's why I gravitated to sales and the helping fields :) Meghan

Introvert(56%)  Sensing(1%)  Feeling(25%)  Perceiving(44)%

    You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%)
    You have marginal or no preference of Sensing over Intuition (1%)
    You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (25%)
    You have moderate preference of Perceiving over Judging (44%)

Hmm... I used to be INTJ. Now ISFP. The description is pretty darned close to perfect, though. Experiential learning, creative sensibilities, whatnot. :)

Things change, I guess.

INTP. I'm chill, I won't judge just don't bug me and never tell me the odds.

INTP everytime, although some of my stats were close to the fence this time. i was a computer programmer once upon a time, which is one of the careers recommended for "the thinker" so that's good. description fits really well too. I like others have trouble deciding between answers, but if i just treat it like its a timed test, always going with my instinct, it turns out perfect.

ISFJ, the Protector.

As ISTP as they come.

I'm INFP, which is actually one of the least common personality types. I assume a lot of us trans people are INFP from the poll results based on the fact that we generally think more inwards on ourselves and are more "in tune" with ourselves.

And it's actually 98% accurate for me, literally.

ESFP :)
Extravert(33%)  Sensing(12%)  Feeling(94%)  Perceiving(33)%

ESFPs live in the moment, experiencing life to the fullest. They enjoy people, as well as material comforts. Rarely allowing conventions to interfere with their lives, they find creative ways to meet human needs. ESFPs are excellent team players, focused on completing the task at hand with maximum fun and minimum discord. Active types, they find pleasure in new experiences.

ESFPs take a hands-on approach in most things. Because they learn more by doing than by studying or reading, they tend to rush into things, learning by interacting with their environment. They usually dislike theory and written explanations. Traditional schools can be difficult for ESFPs, although they tend to do well when the subject of study interests them, or when they see the relevance of a subject and are allowed to interact with people.

Observant, practical, realistic, and specific, ESFPs make decisions according to their own personal standards. They use their Feeling judgment internally to identify and empathize with others. Naturally attentive to the world around them, ESFPs are keen observers of human behavior. They quickly sense what is happening with other people and immediately respond to their individual needs. They are especially good at mobilizing people to deal with crises. Generous, optimistic, and persuasive, they are good at interpersonal interactions. They often play the role of peacemaker due to their warm, sympathetic, and tactful nature.

Living in the here-and-now, they often do not think about long term effects or the consequences of their actions. While very practical, they generally despise routines, instead desiring to 'go with the flow.' They are, in fact, very play minded. Because ESFPs learn better through hands-on experience, classroom learning may be troublesome for many of them, especially those with a very underdeveloped intuitive side.

ESFPs usually like to feel strongly bonded with other people, and have a connection with animals and small children that is not found in most other types. They're likely to have a strong appreciation for the beauties of nature as well.

The ESFP has a tremendous love for life, and knows how to have fun. They like to bring others along on their fun-rides, and are typically a lot of fun to be with. They're flexible, adaptable, genuinely interested in people, and usually kind-hearted. They have a special ability to get a lot of fun out of life, but they need to watch out for the pitfalls associated with living entirely in the moment.

SPs sometimes think and talk in more of a spider-web approach. Several of my ESFP friends jump from thought to thought in mid-sentence, touching here or there in a manner that's almost incoherent to the listener, but will eventually cover the waterfront by skipping on impulse from one piece of information to another. It's really quite fascinating.

ESFPs love to talk to people about people. Some of the most colorful storytellers are ESFPs. Their down-to-earth, often homespun wit reflects a mischievous benevolence.

Almost every ESFP loves to talk. Some can be identified by the twenty minute conversation required to ask or answer a simple factual question.

Oh yes :P.

I am usually not much into online tests, but I have to admit - this was fun :). Thank You for this thread :)

INTJ/P, though I seem to default to J in the heat of the moment, so I generally pick that one for purposes like these. 

Also, crazy distribution of both those personality types here.  It'd be fascinating to see, one there's a bit more data in the poll, how the distribution differs from the normal population.  There's a study in there somewhere; I'm just to lazy to pursue it...

I hit the wrong thing but I am INTP. I=89% N=62% T=1% and P=33%.

ISTP! (though the T was one percent so no preference on that front)

INTJ today

Introvert(56%)  iNtuitive(38%)  Thinking(1%)  Judging(11%)

    You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%)
    You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
    You have marginal or no preference of Thinking over Feeling (1%)
    You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (11%)

The Mastermind Rational is one of the 16 role variants of the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, a self-assessed personality questionnaire designed to help people better understand themselves. David Keirsey originally described the Mastermind role variant; however, a brief summary of the personality types described by Isabel Myers contributed to its development. Masterminds correlate primarily with the Myers-Briggs type INTJ. They make up about 1% of the population....

Masterminds are introspective, pragmatic, directive, and attentive. As strategists, they are better than any other type at brainstorming approaches to situations. Masterminds are capable but not eager leaders, stepping forward only when it becomes obvious to them that they are the best for the job. Strong-willed and very self-assured, they may make this decision quickly, as they tend to make all decisions. But though they are decisive, they are open to new evidence and new ideas, flexible in their planning to accommodate changing situations. They tend to excel at judging the usefulness of ideas and will apply whatever seems most efficient to them in accomplishing their clearly envisioned goals. To Masterminds, what matters is getting it done—but also learning the principles of how to get it done efficiently and well, that is, at a professional level of quality. However, they may not give much thought to the social cost of getting there, "focusing so tightly on their own pursuits [that] they can ignore the points of view and wishes of others."

Masterminds are highly pragmatic, and they will put forth a great deal of time and effort to implement effective ideas. They are driven to solve complex problems and to create organized, decided, and executed solutions. Masterminds tend to make positive statements instead of negative ones, focusing on how to make the organization more efficient in the future rather than dwelling on past mistakes.

- Wikipedia

http://typelogic.com/intj.html (http://typelogic.com/intj.html)

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.

INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project....

In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they "know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of academia).

More overview at the link above

ENFJ

You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (22%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (56%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (25%)
You have strong preference of Judging over Perceiving (78%)

Fits!

Quote from: Cindy. on July 18, 2013, 10:18:24 PM
ENFJ

You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (22%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (56%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (25%)
You have strong preference of Judging over Perceiving (78%)

Fits!

"Keirsey referred to ENFJs as Teachers, one of the four types belonging to the temperament he called the Idealists. ENFJs account for about 2–5% of the population."

From: http://typelogic.com/infp.html (http://typelogic.com/infp.html)

Profile:  INFP
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"I remember the first albatross I ever saw. ... At intervals, it arched forth its vast archangel wings, as if to embrace some holy ark. Wondrous flutterings and throbbings shook it. Though bodily unharmed, it uttered cries, as some king's ghost in super natural distress. Through its inexpressible, strange eyes, methought I peeped to secrets not below the heavens. As Abraham before the angels, I bowed myself..." --(Herman Melville, Moby Dick)

INFPs never seem to lose their sense of wonder. One might say they see life through rose-colored glasses. It's as though they live at the edge of a looking-glass world where mundane objects come to life, where flora and fauna take on near-human qualities.

INFP children often exhibit this in a 'Calvin and Hobbes' fashion, switching from reality to fantasy and back again. With few exceptions, it is the NF child who readily develops imaginary playmates (as with Anne of Green Gables's "bookcase girlfriend"--her own reflection) and whose stuffed animals come to life like the Velveteen Rabbit and the Skin Horse:

"...Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand..." (the Skin Horse)

INFPs have the ability to see good in almost anyone or anything. Even for the most unlovable the INFP is wont to have pity.

Rest you, my enemy,
Slain without fault,
Life smacks but tastelessly
Lacking your salt!
Stuck in a bog whence naught
May catapult me,
Come from the grave, long-sought,
Come and insult me!
--(Steven Vincent Benet, Elegy for an Enemy)

Their extreme depth of feeling is often hidden, even from themselves, until circumstances evoke an impassioned response:

"I say, Queequeg! Why don't you speak? It's I--Ishmael." But all remained still as before. ... Something must have happened. Apoplexy!
... And running up after me, she caught me as I was again trying to force open the door. ... "Have to burst it open," said I, and was running down the entry a little, for a good start, when the landlady caught me, again vowing I should not break down her premises; but I tore from her, and with a sudden bodily rush dashed myself full against the mark.--(Melville, Moby Dick)

Of course, not all of life is rosy, and INFPs are not exempt from the same disappointments and frustrations common to humanity. As INTPs tend to have a sense of failed competence, INFPs struggle with the issue of their own ethical perfection, e.g., perfo rmance of duty for the greater cause. An INFP friend describes the inner conflict as not good versus bad, but on a grand scale, Good vs. Evil. Luke Skywalker in Star Wars depicts this conflict in his struggle between the two sides of "The Force." Although the dark side must be reckoned with, the INFP believes that good ultimately triumphs.

Some INFPs have a gift for taking technical information and putting it into layman's terms. Brendan Kehoe's Zen and the Art of the Internet is one example of this "de-jargoning" talent in action.


From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healer_(Role_Variant) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healer_(Role_Variant))


The Healer Idealist is one of the 16 role variants of the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, a self-assessed personality questionnaire designed to help people better understand themselves. David Keirsey originally described the Healer role variant; however, a brief summary of the personality types described by Isabel Myers contributed to its development. Healers correlate with the Myers-Briggs type INFP.

Healers are introspective, cooperative, informative, and attentive. Their tranquil and reserved exterior masks a passionate inner life. Healers care deeply about causes that interest them, and they often pursue those causes with selfless devotion. They are highly compassionate and empathetic to the needs of others, seeking to bring peace, health, and integrity to their companions and to society at large. They want to heal the problems that trouble individuals and correct the conflicts that divide social groups.

Healers tend to be private individuals who have a strong sense of right and wrong and an idealistic worldview. They are deeply committed to things that are positive or good and may be inspired to make extraordinary sacrifices in attempts to achieve their ideals. They are prone to errors of fact as they follow their feelings more than they follow logical analysis. However, following their feelings also means that Healers seldom make errors of feeling.

Healers are often misunderstood as children.[1] In practical minded families, their devotion to idealism may be frowned upon and may even be punished. Most other role variants can shrug off the parental expectations that don't fit them, but Healers are greatly affected by it. They want to please their parents and their siblings and, in attempt to do this, they may mask or hide their differences. This can create inner turmoil within the Healer. Healers are often better at detecting this inner turmoil than other role variants. Healers seek unity of mind, body and spirit, perhaps because of the inner turmoil caused during their upbringing.

Healers are adaptable, patient with complicated situations, and welcoming of new ideas and information. They are impatient with routine details. As they are aware of people's feelings, Healers relate well with others. They are also comfortable working alone given their private nature. Healers have an interest in scholarly activities and often have exceptional language skills.

Occurring in only about one percent of the population, Healers can easily feel isolated. They value harmony and integrity in human relationships, but often find these values to be out of step with the more concrete pursuits of the rest of the world. Feeling "different," they may wonder whether something is wrong with them. But those differences—an ethical nature, a devotion to ideals, a commitment to harmonious interaction—are in fact some of their greatest strengths.


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Ehh, maybe.

As a kid, I was always ENTP, but as an adult have consistently scored INTP. I can't help but think that being trans (with all the associated internalization) may be a factor in that shift.

Maddy

Quote from: MadeleineG on July 28, 2013, 09:38:26 PM
As a kid, I was always ENTP, but as an adult have consistently scored INTP. I can't help but think that being trans (with all the associated internalization) may be a factor in that shift.

Maddy

It may not be that being trans causes a person to be introverted but being an introvert causes us more to realize that we are trans. Or in my case anyway.

Your Type
INTJ
Introvert(67%)  iNtuitive(88%)  Thinking(25%)  Judging(89%)

    You have distinctive preference of Introversion over Extraversion (67%)
    You have strong preference of Intuition over Sensing (88%)
    You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (25%)
    You have strong preference of Judging over Perceiving (89%)


The profile made mention of an INTJ's willingness to work at relationships & the expected directness of others.  I found that particularly interesting because it holds true of me & also because I tend to attract the polar opposite personality type.  Generally speaking, I find that while I am direct & willing to invest effort into a relationship, those I engage with prefer to be extremely indirect and bail at the first sign of *trouble*. 

The end result is generally the same; the relationship ceases to exist & I am labeled difficult, forward, aggressive, etc.   >:-)  Their loss, I suppose.

o.O

I've done this test multiple times in the past and I always come up as INTJ.

It's odd, because I heard that INTJ is one of the rarest out of the lot, yet there are currently more INTJ scores on your chart.

Perhaps our sort of predicament just so happens to happen more to INTJ's?

many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

This is so true. I often refer to flirting as primitive mating rituals. As for the part about expecting reasonability, this is also so true as it irritates me when people forsake logic for irrational emotion.

On this test, I get INTJ. On a test my dad did on my when he was studying for his master's in psychology, I got green. Neither of those are surprising. A test that was administered to me by a psychologist said that my two main personality traits are conscientiousness and idiosyncrasy.

ISTJ

QuoteIntrovert(78%)  Sensing(38%)  Thinking(12%)  Judging(11%)

    You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (78%)
    You have moderate preference of Sensing over Intuition (38%)
    You have slight preference of Thinking over Feeling (12%)
    You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (11%)

Quote
Famous Personalities Sharing Your Type

    Michael Schumacher, a Formula One racing driver
    Harry S. Truman, the 33rd President of the United States
    Amelia Earhart, a noted American aviation pioneer
    Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales
    Greta Garbo, a movie actress, an international star and icon

INFP, with lots of the scores being borderline, it seems. Wierd.

I found this difficult to get through as i contradict myself.


ISFJ
Introvert(67%)  Sensing(6%)  Feeling(25%)  Judging(11%)

You have distinctive preference of Introversion over Extraversion (67%)
You have slight preference of Sensing over Intuition (6%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (25%)
You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (11%)

INFP

I am surprised I am the only ESFP here... According to another website, every third or fourth woman is ESFP...

I'd be fascinated to see and compare the scatter for a more significant population sample.

Maddy

INFJ

I agree with this for the most part.

Amy

I'm an ENFP :)

The only thing that tends to be stable in my personality type are the N and the J.  Depending on the day I get INTJ or ENFJ and its not that I am in between I and E and F and T and it slightly moves one way or the other, its like it jumps a large amount from one extreme to the other.  A lot of other things about me seem to point towards multiple personalities.  The girl part of me is ENFJ and the boy part of me is INTJ.

INFJ

I don't know, don't see myself as a social worker. *shrugs*

http://www.geekinheels.com/2013/10/23/star-wars-mbti-chart.html

A Star Wars MBTI chart, if you're interested. (Luke Skywalker? Really?!)

Quote from: Mariax on November 05, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
http://www.geekinheels.com/2013/10/23/star-wars-mbti-chart.html

A Star Wars MBTI chart, if you're interested. (Luke Skywalker? Really?!)

Seen it before but according to the chart, I'm Obi-Wan.

amy

I'm INFP

Interesting that INFP is one of the rarer personality types (only 4-5% of the population), yet it seems relatively common among people who use this site.

Quote from: Mariax on November 05, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
http://www.geekinheels.com/2013/10/23/star-wars-mbti-chart.html

A Star Wars MBTI chart, if you're interested. (Luke Skywalker? Really?!)

Lmao...for years I was a stable INTJ on all my tests, and now I'm INTP. So basically I evolved into Yoda. Sweet.

Mine says enfp, but Idk if I would call myself extroverted.  Maybe.

INFJ. Used to be different, but then so did I. :)

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on December 20, 2013, 02:16:10 PM
I'm INFP

Interesting that INFP is one of the rarer personality types (only 4-5% of the population), yet it seems relatively common among people who use this site.

Likewise INTP (300% of expected distribution)

Evidently I'm INFP,but it says I could also be INFJ.
Seems that technology is the wrong career field for me. It says arts and humanities and social services are the best fit. I'd agree, except I'd never get money for it.

Quote from: Willow on December 20, 2013, 04:16:25 PM
Evidently I'm INFP,but it says I could also be INFJ.
Seems that technology is the wrong career field for me. It says arts and humanities and social services are the best fit. I'd agree, except I'd never get money for it.

INFJ is a good fit for Educational Administration.

Quote from: Unjust Gwynne! on December 20, 2013, 04:20:56 PMINFJ is a good fit for Educational Administration.

Not my preferred field. Never liked how the administrators at school always got in my way.
I always imagined myself as a mother, with my own practice or firm. Maybe I should pursue psychology as a career instead.

Quote from: Willow on December 20, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
Not my preferred field. Never liked how the administrators at school always got in my way.
I always imagined myself as a mother, with my own practice or firm. Maybe I should pursue psychology as a career instead.

Occupational Therapy, maybe?

Quote from: Unjust Gwynne! on December 20, 2013, 04:30:46 PMOccupational Therapy, maybe?

Perhaps.
Quite the discovery, this is. Of course it means another major change. I don'[t think that they think I'm serious anymore, all the changes I've made. Plus it'd piss my dad off, to not do something that's math or science.

I've thought about being a therapist because I'm always the one listening to my friends' problems and offering advice, and I'm pretty good with psychology and 'getting people'. Too bad it's not where the monies are! xD *sticks with 'puter programmin'*

So far on this poll I am the ESFJ.  I tried the test with both genders they offered and found it didn't change my ranking significantly.

How theoretic and philosophically based do you think this is?

Quote from: Ashey on December 20, 2013, 04:48:03 PMI've thought about being a therapist because I'm always the one listening to my friends' problems and offering advice, and I'm pretty good with psychology and 'getting people'. Too bad it's not where the monies are! xD *sticks with 'puter programmin'*

I don't know anything about computer programming. I just know about computers in general. Like everything else, it's just a broad, general understanding. I just feel like a jack of all trades, master of none.

Sorry for hijacking the thread with my self-defeatist rant.

Quote from: Willow on December 20, 2013, 04:52:09 PM
I don't know anything about computer programming. I just know about computers in general. Like everything else, it's just a broad, general understanding. I just feel like a jack of all trades, master of none.

Sorry for hijacking the thread with my self-defeatist rant.

It's a good field to get into if you're techno-logically inclined and can make sense of it. You'd need a general knowledge of and background with computers to start anyway. A+ courses are a requirement for my major, but they also recommend Network+ and other certs. Being a jack-of-all-trades is a good thing in comp-related fields. :)

And then, hmmmm, "personality type"  It feels a bit like astrology to me.  A fun party and dating device that gives people the chance to talk about themselves (always entertaining) and categorize the worlds population into tidy bunches.

Quote from: Tessa James on December 20, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
And then, hmmmm, "personality type"  It feels a bit like astrology to me.  A fun party and dating device that gives people the chance to talk about themselves (always entertaining) and categorize the worlds population into tidy bunches.

I feel this way about the very casual versions of the MBTI test roaming free on the internets, but having recently taken the "official" version with several hundred questions, am somewhat converted. My detailed report was like looking in the mirror.  :-\

Anyone ever take the MMPI?

I had that one administered as a 16 yo teen in a psych situation. 

It would certainly seem that a more detailed test with a larger number of questions would produce more convincing results. 

I remain a skeptic but delighted to consider the practical usage, as in looking for a career or self improvement.

I've taken the MBTI test several times over the years, and I've gotten INTJ about 95% of the time. I've noticed over time that I'm slowly but surely moving closer and closer to INTP. As of the last time I took the test (a few days ago), I had only a 1% preference for INTJ over INTP. I think it's quite interesting how we change over time.

I'm an INFP, "The Dreamer", and the description is insanely accurate.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see there are so many INFPs here! Generally, we tend to be pretty few and far between.  :D

Infj...
Thats not me.. I dont really judge ppl but i do tell them if something is right or wrong. I am big on mercy.
These tests never pinpoint who i am. Its odd.

Quote from: Emo on January 10, 2014, 12:51:05 AM
Infj...
Thats not me.. I dont really judge ppl but i do tell them if something is right or wrong. I am big on mercy.
These tests never pinpoint who i am. Its odd.

But the J doesn't mean judgmental--it means roughly "works freely from a preliminary judgment."

Quote from: Gwynne on January 10, 2014, 08:17:27 AM
But the J doesn't mean judgmental--it means roughly "works freely from a preliminary judgment."

Ohh... But in the description it said i liked revenge or poetic justice.. And i dont like revenge at all...

I have taken various versions of the MBTI tests since my official test at the end of high school. Every time I have been INTJ. I have always agreed that the description fit me perfectly. I even initially picked a major outside of the suggested careers and then switched to engineering after a year and was much happier.
Similarly on the true colors test I tested as green which has the same characteristics as INTJ.

Quote from: xponentialshift on March 12, 2014, 04:03:13 PM
I have taken various versions of the MBTI tests since my official test at the end of high school. Every time I have been INTJ. I have always agreed that the description fit me perfectly. I even initially picked a major outside of the suggested careers and then switched to engineering after a year and was much happier.
Similarly on the true colors test I tested as green which has the same characteristics as INTJ.

Same for me except I'm going into research science.

Quote from: Edge on March 12, 2014, 05:39:46 PM
Same for me except I'm going into research science.

I would love to go into research science after grad school! Ideally in electromagnetics.

wow. INTJ is supposed to be one of the rarest personality types and it's in the lead here. Hehehehe.. I really have found a place I fit in.

Retook it with my roommate last week, along with the Birmingham Grid for Learning Multiple Intelligences test. Came out as INFP.

I am NFJ, the E/I fluctuates and J is not a stong preference. I'm an ambivert :B

Also i am enneagram 2w3

Wow, for INFJ's to be a rare breed in the world there sure are a lot in one place lol.

I'm INFJ

Every few years I retake some version of this test and my results are always different. Last time I got ISTJ.

I got ENFP again, which is what I usually get.  Extroversion was higher than normal this time, usually I am a "ambivert" too hehe.

Guess somewhat with the pack of INTJ but more like IN lol.
I 78 N 50 T 1 J 1
Does describe me well I think I took some similar test and about same thing and really it is fairly accurate.

i'm an ISTJ. figures based on my personality

I'm an INFJ. I'm surprised at how many other people are too, since it's supposedly the rarest type. Maybe it has some correspondence with transsexualism.

Quote from: Ashlotte on August 23, 2014, 07:48:33 PM
I'm an INFJ. I'm surprised at how many other people are too, since it's supposedly the rarest type. Maybe it has some correspondence with transsexualism.

I'm an INFJ also; interesting, very interesting  :-X

I'm INFJ myself and I have an historical account.

In traditional Navajo culture there were four genders, including the two binary as well as MtF and FtM individuals known as two-spirits. A child's gender was basically kept neutral until around age 6 when the child's inclinations would be more clear, which in a lot of ways really simplifies things :)

These transgender individuals, in addition to having unique gender roles and status, were some of the most highly esteemed members of the tribe. The key part is, they were seen as 'more', in the sense of a divine connection.

They were spiritual leaders - ministering to the dead, counseling families, etc. It is said war could not be declared without the blessing of the nad'leehi. This sort of distinction is fairly widespread among other Native American tribes as well, in terms of these individuals being revered as well as having high social standing.

When we see INFJs (statistically the smallest type, 1-2% of the population) as the second most common type here and nearly 20% of the overall aggregate, the connection becomes fairly clear.

What interests me just as much is that currently exactly two-thirds of responses are an Introverted iNtuit type, which statistically are only 11-12% of the overall population.

There are very clear connections, at least in terms of population percentages.

Going out on a limb here but generally speaking on an insight was why the general population here is Introverted and Intuitative.  Of course generality but I think my perspective I see it like this we tend to be self conscious of others and self aware of ourselves at the very least think about such matters more then the average population.  Hence we are more prone to question society and perhaps even lead them into greater understanding for changes to the future.  Which even though I am not native I can see that they were wise to put such people as ourselves in the roles of shaman (leader type here), teachers and councillors.  Reason I say this we can look into ourselves and look about the world and go hmm lets see this is what the world is really about.  Ha ha maybe I should throw philosophy in there sure fits as I am sure we are generally deep thinkers in some form or other or at least day dream more which is a thinking of sorts. I should also throw in we tend to be non judgemental which gives us a tool to make better choices then someone who is biased.

This is just my opinion and I am sure does not fit everyone here but feel it probably fits most here to some degree at least.

Not a lot of other ENTPs here, but i'm the 3rd and the 3rd time's the charm, right?

I got INFJ.  Introversion, intuition, feeling, judging.
Kay. So I'm not a Vulcan.

Yay more INFJs! At this time our poll indicates 10-times as many INFJs here as the population at large!! I've never encountered results like this before.

With 126 people for 16 types, we have a decent sample size. This data is deeply fascinating and I'd love to see a larger-scale study.

Over 66% of those polled here are IN-type, which normally make up 11-12% of the general population.

Over 83% of those polled here are any N-type, which normally make up 26% of the general population.

(Need to ID your type? the test at mypersonality.info is really good. IMO better than the official MBTI.)
(Data? Here: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/how-frequent-is-my-type.asp)
(Ponies? Yes indeed: http://cartoonoveranalyzations.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mbti_pony.jpg)

It's also notable how few Extraverted Sensor (ES) types we have - 2.8% of us total. They make up over 33% of the general population.

Others we have disproportionately few of are ISFJ and ISFP (which together make 20% of the general population), but we do have more ENFJ and ENFP than one might expect, too.

Quote from: Rachelicious on August 26, 2014, 11:23:36 AM
Yay more INFJs! At this time our poll indicates 10-times as many INFJs here as the population at large!! I've never encountered results like this before.

With 126 people for 16 types, we have a decent sample size. This data is deeply fascinating and I'd love to see a larger-scale study.

Over 66% of those polled here are IN-type, which normally make up 11-12% of the general population.

Over 83% of those polled here are any N-type, which normally make up 26% of the general population.

(Need to ID your type? the test at mypersonality.info is really good. IMO better than the official MBTI.)
(Data? Here: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/how-frequent-is-my-type.asp)
(Ponies? Yes indeed: http://cartoonoveranalyzations.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mbti_pony.jpg)

It's also notable how few Extraverted Sensor (ES) types we have - 2.8% of us total. They make up over 33% of the general population.

Others we have disproportionately few of are ISFJ and ISFP (which together make 20% of the general population), but we do have more ENFJ and ENFP than one might expect, too.

Yet, the type which comprises about 10% of cis-women (and is also more represented among women than men) is severely underrepresented here. I wonder, how many tried to take this test again after being on the HRT for a time being and whether their results changed?

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on August 28, 2014, 03:11:03 PM
Yet, the type which comprises about 10% of cis-women (and is also more represented among women than men) is severely underrepresented here. I wonder, how many tried to take this test again after being on the HRT for a time being and whether their results changed?

I won't get into nature vs. nurture debates for personality type, because I think it's hard to empirically make an exclusive case either way, but my own type was very much fixed before any transition or HRT. It's been exactly the same on 9 out of 10 tests I've taken, and only one variable different the time it was not. At least by the time one is mature, I don't think one's inherent personality continues to change.

The topic of differences in MBTI type of cis/trans individuals is more interesting, and it's good that you brought it up, Emily. We have, for instance, almost no ESFJs or ESTJs here - but also, we lack a statistical gender survey of who all chose what type in this particular poll, so it's difficult to come to firm conclusions except to say that we have fewer Creators (SP) and Protectors (SJ), but more Intellectuals (NT) and Visionaries (NF).

Note also that your personality type is actually a function - it is not just a bunch of letters. Those letters interact. If you're an INFJ, your primary function is Introverted Intuition. That's the basic way you want to interact with the world. Your secondary function is Extroverted Feeling. That enhances your intuition and those two functions catalyze in your favor like dynamite & gasoline. Your tertiary function is Introverted Thinking, which is like a check & balance to your other functions but you use it less passively than your first two functions. Your inferior function is Extraverted Sensing, which more or less grounds you in the world, but doesn't really serve you unless you specifically call upon its use.

There are also shadow functions which are a mirrored inverse of your personality type which you exude in a linear order based on your level of stress. Everyone has a mirror type with whom their functions are palendrome opposites, as well as a type whose function orders are one another's shadow-function orders. Any given type's aversion to specific functions can make it difficult to feel much in common with any given other person. (For instance, as an INFJ living with an ISTJ let's say I am driven mad by her mundane use of the primary Introverted Sensing function, and that my Extraverted Feeling function makes it really hard dealing with an INFP friend who secludes herself and rarely converses because her overactive Introverted Feeling makes her needlessly self-critical when she could open up and I would help her without the least bit of judgment or selfishness.)

If nothing else, people with similar primary through tertiary functions tend to find it easy to see the world in similar ways.

Quote from: Rachelicious on August 28, 2014, 04:10:12 PM
I won't get into nature vs. nurture debates for personality type, because I think it's hard to empirically make an exclusive case either way, but my own type was very much fixed before any transition or HRT. It's been exactly the same on 9 out of 10 tests I've taken, and only one variable different the time it was not. At least by the time one is mature, I don't think one's inherent personality continues to change.

The topic of differences in MBTI type of cis/trans individuals is more interesting, and it's good that you brought it up, Emily. We have, for instance, almost no ESFJs or ESTJs here - but also, we lack a statistical gender survey of who all chose what type in this particular poll, so it's difficult to come to firm conclusions except to say that we have fewer Creators (SP) and Protectors (SJ), but more Intellectuals (NT) and Visionaries (NF).

We have almost no types of ES** here - just one from each subcategory. Which is quite curious, btw.

I had heard of this for years, but never actually took the quiz until today.

Another INFP here.

Just like Nero and Sephirah.   Why does that figure?

I just totaled more categories: 47.6% here are Visionaries, and 36.7% here are Intellectuals.

Each of those percentages, collectively, is 3x higher than the population average. But certainly they underscore the massively higher represented numbers of INFJ and INTJ here.

Both are represented here at a rate 14-18x times higher than the population average.

So to anyone distraught at ratios or that the most common female type or whatever is barely here, hunnies, that's like being sad for not making the cheerleading squad because you studied your way into Yale.

It's a big freaking deal that approximately 4 out of 10 of us represent special personality types that are only 1-2% of the population. :D :D

And by extension, that makes me curious what percentage of these types is made up of non-cis people. What if all this ends up coming full-circle and society learns to appreciate why the Native Americans had us in all these medicinal and leadership positions to begin with?  ;D

Quote from: Rachelicious on August 28, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
And by extension, that makes me curious what percentage of these types is made up of non-cis people. What if all this ends up coming full-circle and society learns to appreciate why the Native Americans had us in all these medicinal and leadership positions to begin with?  ;D

MBTI test as transgender screening test? :) Curious curious :). Nope, that would be totally hilarious :).
And I am totally not trans by that margin then, lol :).

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on August 28, 2014, 05:19:35 PM
MBTI test as transgender screening test? :) Curious curious :). Nope, that would be totally hilarious :).
And I am totally not trans by that margin then, lol :).

I didn't even come close to suggesting that. :3

I'm  INTP  The engineer.  Ha!  I AM an engineer (and a novelist).  Guess I picked one profession correctly  ;D.

I've taken the big Briggs-Myers test and it came out the same, although it had me not quite so introverted as this one.

I'm apparently an INJT.

I'm an INFP, apparently. Not sure what that means, but oh wellz

It says that INFPs may be "creative script writers" and usually "excel in education". This fits me very well as I am a straight A student and love to write <3

I'm isfj. Which... idk. When I took the little test thingy, there wasn't any middle ground. Most of the questions I was all, "hmm.. it depends." soo reading the results did not relate to me at all. It called me a people pleaser. Nope nope nope. I'm kind of a butt head.

I am INTJ/INTP. It varies between these two personality types in personality tests. But I personally feel more like INTP than INTJ.

Yay more MBTI people! Happy to see you all getting your types.

Remember, those letters actually mean something. What they mean is your order of functions

Primary function
Secondary function
Tertiary function
Auxiliary function

You could say that you have a personality type because you have these functions. The difference in function order between an INTJ and an INTP, for instance, is huge. It makes like totally different people.

Function order has way more to do with your type than the letters or descriptions. It's fascinating study.

I'm also INTP. Which, according to one of the people who tested me, is one of the rarest ones... yet it's so common here. I wonder why that is.

ENTJ here

Quote from: Aisla on August 29, 2014, 08:39:29 AM
ENTJ here

It would be quite curious if all tose having Enin their primary functikn were from non-binary part of population....

Quote from: Jera on August 29, 2014, 05:55:29 AM
I'm also INTP. Which, according to one of the people who tested me, is one of the rarest ones... yet it's so common here. I wonder why that is.

The four INTJ functions, in order, are:

Introverted iNtuiting:   Foreseeing implications, transformations, and likely effects.
Extraverted Thinking:    Segmenting, organizing for efficiency, and systematizing.
Introverted Feeling:  Valuing and considering importance, beliefs, and worth.
Extraverted Sensing:   Experiencing and acting in the immediate context.

Note that INTJ and INFJ, which are the two most common types here (and the two rarest in the world at large) are also the only two types with Introverted iNtuiting as their primary function.

More about Introverted iNtuiting:

Quote"Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us.

A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden "Aha!" or "That's it!" The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future.

Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions."

Obviously there is some connection between the yet-unaccounted-for prevalence of this cognitive function and the gender status or background of those surveyed. Certainly many of its manifestations - visions, dreams, transformation, reading into signs, complex concepts, innovation - have everything to do with one's identity and transition.

All I can say right now is we NEED an actual formal study on this subject. It's too special of a seashell is to just put on a shelf and forget about. For all we know a study based on our data could help unravel what shapes the development of cognitive functions.

Thoughts?

Ive taken the test a few times the last few weeks and I end up with

INFP + ISFJ . I think I am a mix of those when I read the descriptions

By the way, I made a new thread focusing on the unusually huge percentage of really rare types here like INFP, INFJ, INTP, and INTJ. Find it below:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,172713.0.html

It seems as though I'm an ISTP. It fits pretty well.

Though in general I will remain passive, if something strikes me as important then I go in full speed. An inherent need for risk and excitement and a free spirit by nature. I tend to be fierce when it comes to protecting my friends, and people that need it as well. I'm not sure if that ties in or if its another contradiction. It seems like theres a lot of those in the personality type in general though.
I like it. 

I am an INFP according to the test, fits well for a lot of the time. Sometimes I slip into something very extroverted and stupid, but I don't care much about that side.

Quote from: Catherine W. on September 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
Sometimes I slip into something very extroverted and stupid, but I don't care much about that side.

Not sure that's a fair assessment of extroversion (at least, not necessarily extroversion in the MBTI context.) But since you also mentioned testing INFJ and possibly ENFJ in my other thread, here are the differences between the two:

INFJ:
Primary: Introverted iNtuition (Ni)
Secondary: Extroverted Feeling (Fe)
Tertiary: Introverted Thinking (Ti)
Inferior: Extroverted Sensing (Se)

ENFJ:
Primary: Extroverted Feeling (Fe)
Secondary: Introverted iNtuition (Ni)
Tertiary: Extroverted Sensing (Se)
Inferior: Introverted Thinking (Ti)

Hardly so different at all, are they? They're virtually mirrors of one another, INFJ and ENFJ, and certainly much more alike than, say, INFJ and INFP; which despite the illusory similarities, are about as black & white as could be in functional differences. They often have similar likes or interests, but INFP literally centers around none of the same cognitive functions as INFJ/ENFJ.

Curiously, the secondary Fe function of INFJ makes them one of the introvert types most likely to be mistaken by others for an extrovert. But there's truly no "strict introvert" or "strict extrovert" in MBTI. Whatever your first letter is, two of your top four functions are going to include the opposite, and one of those is a function you'll actually use quite often (your top two functions are the basics of how you operate.)

And if this seems overly intellectual (it's not) it's simply because I've been into this for awhile and I find surface-level MBTI generalizations particularly naive to the learning and self-discovery process the system can offer if you understand the mechanics of how it works.

  Very interesting. ENFJ  I have been a manager and teacher of skilled workers all my life. Most of the % were low ,less than 15% except for assertive which was 44%. I would guess maybe fluid ?

Percentages for the letters are basically irrelevant. They exist because of a fixed number of questions & answers in the test format, strictly to guide you towards the type that is most likely you. I've fallen into this trap before myself, too. IMO the fact that websites commonly lead people to believe these have significance, instead of confirming one's type via checking over the cognitive functions of any type(s) that may match you, is novitiate to the extent of dismissing the functions Isabel Myers found (hence, Myers-Briggs) or subsequent research that expanded her findings.

Being "only 55% J" or whatever means nothing on its own. Don't trust tools to do the work for you.

Also note the existence of Shadow functions, which are the four cognitive functions *not* your Primary, Secondary, Tertiary, or Inferior. These functions generally take much conscious effort to use and can make one frustrated or even destructive if a situation/job forces their extended use: just another reason employers love the MBTI.

ISFP

I am the only one apparently