I'm in the normal male range, but the doctor said she can raise my dosage if I wanted. I'm okay with my dosage now, my only concern is, will I not grow as much facial hair just being in the normal male range as opposed to raising my dose to the higher male range? I would like to get some more facial hair growth but I don't know if my dosage has to be raise to do that? And btw, my mustache does not grow, thicken or get darker? Anyone on T who's mustache does not grow, thicken or get darker?
I wouldn't get her to raise your dose, and her suggesting it when you are in normal male ranges makes me question her. It can take a lot longer than 2 years to get the full extent of facial hair growth, if you are even genetically determined to have facial hair growth. Have you considered that? That it is just not in your genetics to grow much, if any, facial hair.
facial hair may be nice sometimes, but don't worry about it much. most males just shave it off. but yeah I wouldn't exceed the normal male range. hormones can be toxic... they are technically steroids after all.
Mate honestly - I have a non trans mate who can't grow a mo..at all. I also have a non trans mate who can't grow hair on his cheeks..it's hilarious! And I also have a non trans mate who had less facial and body hair for that matter than I do!
Brother it is a long, winding, hard road we're all walking - try and enjoy the journey and see where it takes you and stop being so hung up on what you don't have man, please. I worry for you dude..
And there's nothing wrong with being at the higher end of the normal male range - your doctor, who went to school for a REALLY long time thinks it's ok and your health can handle it doesn't she?! I imagine you've had full bloods taken etc...
It's up to you man - it is your life. Live it my brother..the link between mental and physical is tight - need to be thinking the good stuff to see it yeah :)
Quote from: Aussie Jay on February 24, 2013, 05:15:32 AM
And there's nothing wrong with being at the higher end of the normal male range - your doctor, who went to school for a REALLY long time thinks it's ok and your health can handle it doesn't she?! I imagine you've had full bloods taken etc...
the problem is we don't have their blood tests or all the proper knowledge and results from their time on T. It would be reckless for us to agree or disagree with he doctor at this point, but one must always remember that doctors can in fact be wrong and you don't want to let them hold your life in their hands. be careful and perhaps give your current dose more time? the follicles for facial hair can develop later. It's best to be safe and stable unless you are certain the risk is minimal/negligible.
Point taken and I can see what you're saying.. But I didn't tell him to race out and self medicate! And what is the big problem with being at the higher end of NORMAL? It's still NORMAL right? Every man is different - hence a range, not a single value. What it takes for me to see change will differ from you and him, and the next man.
And surely a worthwhile GP wouldn't have suggested it without all the evidence to support such a decision - they couldn't afford the ramifications! But I can appreciate caution... And in a roundabout way I also said it's his life, his health and his decision - in conjunction with his medical professional GP of course. I mean no one should be basing their life decisions from answers they get on a forum.. Even one as good as Susan's! :D
oh yes I didn't mean to offend or lessen your opinion on this in any way. I just come off as a bit brash when it comes to medical conversation(lots of medical mishaps in my family have led to a bit of a defensive side in me.)
Thanks guys. She did say something about my liver which got me nervous, but she said that could be due to my weight. But I've been around the same weight for over a year. I've gained and lost around 10 pounds. It's fluctuates. She said I didn't have to worry right now b/c it could be the weight. But I lost weight. I didn't have a problem when I was heavier...? Should I be worried about what she said about my liver?
You should discuss your concerns with your doctor, and get a second opinion if you feel it's needed, instead of asking people who aren't doctors. I would err on the side of caution and not go with a higher dose and give your body more time.
Thanks guys. I don't remember what she said about my liver. But it sounded to me like we don't have to worry about it right now, it might just go away, if I lose weight.
I don't think that raising your level would actually make your hair grow faster. It might have the paradoxical effect of turning back into E. With someone who has had so much trouble getting the dose right, if I were you I would keep on with a dose that is getting you good changes .
If you think of this like adolescence which it is in a way, normal teens do not grow much facial hair. There is also an element of genetics. And you can't necessarily go by one parent.
You need to be assertive with your doc. Ask questions and so on. It's your body and you have a right to understand EVERYTHING possible. For instance, I intend to call my doctor who has been out of town if she has seen my test results and when do I go on T. LOL!
--Jay
@Aleon515: Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Dominick_81 on February 23, 2013, 08:57:13 PM
I'm in the normal male range, but the doctor said she can raise my dosage if I wanted. I'm okay with my dosage now, my only concern is, will I not grow as much facial hair just being in the normal male range as opposed to raising my dose to the higher male range? I would like to get some more facial hair growth but I don't know if my dosage has to be raise to do that? And btw, my mustache does not grow, thicken or get darker? Anyone on T who's mustache does not grow, thicken or get darker?
You could always try a higher dosage for a bit get your levels tested throughout to keep track if its too high. And if you don't like it then you could drop back down.
The only way it would stop or slow facial hair is if its too much so its turning to e like it has already been mentioned.
My mustache doesn't grow or look much different from pre t. It's barely more noticeable.
I was born biologically male and I couldn't ever grow much, just a little bit overall. I'm obviously lucky in that aspect, but it's blonde. Hopefully you can grow one, but it is possible that you just won't be able to, but let's hope so!
Quote from: mic on February 25, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
You could always try a higher dosage for a bit get your levels tested throughout to keep track if its too high. And if you don't like it then you could drop back down.
The only way it would stop or slow facial hair is if its too much so its turning to e like it has already been mentioned.
My mustache doesn't grow or look much different from pre t. It's barely more noticeable.
Thanks. I think I'll stay at my dose now knowing that I don't need a higher dosage to grow or grow more facial hair. I did get blood work done to see if I could raise my dosage higher, then I changed my mind and didn't want my dosage raised. I basically had blood work done for nothing. My doctor said I'm at my peek now so I only need to get blood test every 6 months now. I don't know if she'll want me to get tested any sooner unless there is something wrong.
Quote from: EmmaS on February 25, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
I was born biologically male and I couldn't ever grow much, just a little bit overall. I'm obviously lucky in that aspect, but it's blonde. Hopefully you can grow one, but it is possible that you just won't be able to, but let's hope so!
Thanks. :)
You should also keep in mind that two years isn't long as far as facial hair changes go.
Quote from: wheat thins are delicious on February 25, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
You should also keep in mind that two years isn't long as far as facial hair changes go.
I just see lots of other guys that within less than a year on T have some pretty decent facial hair. I know everyone is different. Hopefully soon more facial hair will come and even out on both sides. One side of my face is dark facial hair and the other side is not as dark which is annoying and why I shave once a month.
Yeah but remember growing up and seeing facial hair on other boys. Some had facial hair at like 13 years old and then some don't have any until they are like 18. It's a huge range, best way for me to compare it is to breasts for MtF. It's obviously different but it takes time, I don't have any at all yet, but I'm hoping I will in a few years.
Quote from: EmmaS on February 25, 2013, 09:38:21 PM
Yeah but remember growing up and seeing facial hair on other boys. Some had facial hair at like 13 years old and then some don't have any until they are like 18. It's a huge range, best way for me to compare it is to breasts for MtF. It's obviously different but it takes time, I don't have any at all yet, but I'm hoping I will in a few years.
I hope you get them soon! Do you have surgery for that or is it the hormone treatment that gives you them? I'm not sure how that works...?
It's hormones, you can have surgery just like any other woman could. It's just another puberty being on hormones. Chances are my breasts will the size of the other woman in my family, give or take some.
Quote from: Dominick_81 on February 25, 2013, 09:30:25 PM
I just see lots of other guys that within less than a year on T have some pretty decent facial hair. I know everyone is different. Hopefully soon more facial hair will come and even out on both sides. One side of my face is dark facial hair and the other side is not as dark which is annoying and why I shave once a month.
The biggest mistake you can make in your transition is trying to compare your changes to other guys changes. I know it's hard not to but you should really work on not doing it and just focusing on you.
Quote from: EmmaS on February 25, 2013, 09:53:51 PM
It's hormones, you can have surgery just like any other woman could. It's just another puberty being on hormones. Chances are my breasts will the size of the other woman in my family, give or take some.
I see. Good luck! I hope you get the desire size you want.
Quote from: wheat thins are delicious on February 25, 2013, 10:25:51 PM
The biggest mistake you can make in your transition is trying to compare your changes to other guys changes. I know it's hard not to but you should really work on not doing it and just focusing on you.
Yeah, I know I have a habit of doing that. It's hard. I gotta work on that.
Brother as my ticker states I've been on T for a little over 3 years and ONLY in the past 3-6months have I noticed my facial hair really starting to fill in. And STILL it's mostly my neck directly below my chin and my cheeks. There is very little in the mid section of my moustache area and my god at the moment it looks like I will NEVER be able to grow side burns - EVER!! Which is frustrating+++++ because that is pretty much all I want!!! lol >:( :D
But it's the way of it at the moment - nothing I can do but hope! There was a bloke on youtube (puck13rocker, Brian) he used to take the dregs of T left over in his syringe and mix it with moisturiser and rub it into his face. Now I thought I read a report somewhere that show the T molecules in the Sustanon or whatever are too large to be absorbed that way (through the skin) or something like that, but he had a wicked beard pretty quick. If you want to try something perhaps that can be a goer... Won't hurt far as I know but I guess obviously will make your face slightly oilier. Go watch his earlier vids if you wanna see.
Oh and keep in mind age can have a bearing on this too like depending on when you started T - if you started in your late teens/early 20's it seems changes come a lot quicker than if you started when you're 25/30+ you know.
I know it's hard to stay positive mate but really - good thoughts = good things.
Just keep swimming :)
Thanks Aussie Jay. :) Sorry your sideburns aren't coming in. I hope they eventually do come in for you. :)