Ok so I'm dealing with physical violence from strangers lately by people who know me from before outing me for fun. How do you deal with this? I really don't want to become a statistic and sadly I'm not strong anymore so... Yeah I'm just trying to brainstorm some ideas
If you are being physically attacked or touched, call the police.
But otherwise, you will need three things. Taser, Mace or pepper spray and a cell phone.
Big hug! Move to a new location and start over? Hugs, Devlyn
Taser, mace, cell phone are good recommendations. Is there any way you can avoid being around those people that are threatening you? If you call police, do you think it will escalate the situation? You could maybe look at a personal restraining order, as well.
they are hurting you physically? dont go around them. it also wouldnt hurt to concealed carry or at least get a taser
Get yourself a colt commander 0.45 ACP, a cacelled permit, then train yourself on its use.
If you live where you can get a concealed carry permit and arm yourself, do it. You can get pepper spray at the very least. And if you know the people who are harming you, don't go near them, don't hang out with them, don't hang out with their friends. Move on and say goodbye and please stay safe.
I agree with the concealed carry option, or if you feel you may end up using it and dont want to take a life than the pepper spray/mace/ taser isnt a bad opyion however depending on severity, the lesser options may instigate to a more violent response. Their is always law you may be able to sue for deformation of character. But all and all very scary situation.
Well, I would use Situational Awareness(ie.know your surroundings), and do intelligence work aka who are your enemies/allies(ie.when do these peep are that locale, what is their background, religous, ex cons, gangmembers, bad/mediocre neighborhood, education, et al.) and where is your safety net/zones(ie.friends/police stations/crowds of people/your car/schools/colleges, et al).
The terrorist cycle goes a bit further, and generally is used to thwart terrorist attacks, sounds like you are possibly being terrorized, and people who like to terrorize generally follow a plan like this:
1. Broad target selection-who and where is the target generally?
2.Intelligence Surveillance-Where are they at, at what times, and watch them/you.
3. Specific Target Selection-You have been targeted and they know your home/where you work/drive/hang out.
4. Pre-Attack Surveillance and planning-Where you normally go, how they will attack you.
5. Attack rehearsal-Even if done mentally, some do it, what they intend to do, with what weapons or backups.
6. Actions on the Objective-Casing you, and where you will be to committ violence.
7. Escape and Exploitation-How they plan on getting away.
Educate yourself on your enemies and what their strengths and weaknesses are and your strength and weaknesses are.
What are the consequences on using a gun, taser, pepper/cs gas spray, knife, pens/pencils, how do they work and how effective are they in real life? protective barriers/armor, How will you been seen by law enforcement, when can you use deadly force?, who can you ask for help or ask for help to prevent violence. How prepared are you in a physical confrontration?, running away, cornered?, moving away?, using different avenues of approach and leaving(ie.ingresses and egresses), disguises, et al.
I know some of this is military in nature sounding, but hey, it works for me. Know some of this basic stuff and you will be ahead of the game. Note: All of this stuff is defensive in nature, with no counter-offensive strategies mentioned, now getting into counter offensive strategies, a whole other ball of wax.
Lucia,
Former USMC MP
Like Lao Tze said eons ago.
Know your enemy, you got half the battle won.
Know yourself and not the enemy, you got half the battle won.
Know yourself and the enemy and you will not lose any battles
How about an alarm?I used to have the one where you pull a pin on a cord out to set it off,we were given them when I worked on the trams and buses.The best defence is not to be there,if you don't have to be there don't.Some martial art training such as hap kido,(I think)you don't have to be big or strong to do this and you can disable an attacker with this knowledge.If you're getting a gun get training before carrying it or using it.Have you a friend who can escort you?If it get's into a fight back into a narrow shop doorway and you will be able to fight one on one,kicking the **** out of someone in front of his mates will 9 times out of 10 make these cowards run away.I'm sorry you have had to go through this,good luck and best wishes.
There are domestic violence and rape crisis organizations nearly everywhere. This doesn't exactly fit into their mission, but they are accustomed to helping women in danger.
Talk to them. See what kind of support they will offer.
I'd get a dog with a full set of healthy teeth.
Dogs don't have an issue with trans folk (being more intelligent than humans). Doesn't have to be a big dog (which would cost you in food) or something like a pitbull.
A small Jack Russell terrier would be ideal. They're small, fast, highly intelligent, and can turn really nasty when they're protecting someone. They also make good companions.
So strangers are physically attacking you because old acquaintances get off on outing you to them for their amusement? What kind of places are you going where people are that messed up?
Change where you go to avoid those people, press charges against those that physically attack you. Consider relocating if those options don't work. I don't think I would get into the whole concealed/carry thing, too much bad can come of that and basically ruin your life even if you are in the right.
Why are people outing you for "fun"? I think you should gather a group of supportive friends to help confront the people outing you so that they'll stop.
Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on April 03, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
If you are being physically attacked or touched, call the police.
But otherwise, you will need three things. Taser, Mace or pepper spray and a cell phone.
I think this is the best advice in this thread. It is unwise to carry a deadly weapon unless you 1) know how to use it extremely well, 2) you are prepared to take someone else's life. If you cannot avoid the situation, carry the above non lethal defenses. It was also mentioned by another post, to carry an alarm. I think that is also a good idea as it may draw a lot of unwanted attention. Be safe, and smart. Good luck.
Quote from: TessaM on April 04, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
Seriously though Tristan what the heck? How does this happen? Where do you live, Saudi Arabia???
I agree with what she said, what kind of place do you live in? I would probably leave.
Quote from: TessaM on April 04, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
Seriously though Tristan what the heck? How does this happen? Where do you live, Saudi Arabia???
I actually don't think they attack women in Saudi Arabia...
@Tristan
I would stay away from these People and call the Police as soon as of them near me. I would not run away, or move somewhere else: you have a right to live wherever you want to, whether you are black white, sraight, gay, bi, trans, Chinese, whatever.
Good Luck,
Andrea
Quote from: NotThereYet on April 04, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
I actually don't think they attack women in Saudi Arabia...
@Tristan
I would stay away from these People and call the Police as soon as of them near me. I would not run away, or move somewhere else: you have a right to live wherever you want to, whether you are black white, sraight, gay, bi, trans, Chinese, whatever.
Good Luck,
Andrea
In the Qatif girl rape case, an 18-year old
victim of kidnapping and gang rape was sentenced by a Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes.
Wiki has a long entry on womens rights in Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia) if anyone is actually interested.
And you may have a "right" to go and live wherever you want, but it can also get you killed. In many restraining order cases, the order is nullified if the accuser knowingly goes into places or situations where the defendant has a reasonable chance of being there. If I get beat up in a bar, get an order somehow against the person who did it, then return to the bar with my fancy paperwork and get beat up again, the cops are not going to do a thing about it.
Thats really messed up :(, I would figure there is some way to file charges against them ??? Yea at this point you are probally going to have to get away from there I would say, going place's alone may also not be good eaither, if they have aleadt done physical harm to you than that is bad especially if they got away with it, its only a matter of time before the actions they do gets stepped up to perhaps a much more severe attack..
Your situation kinda reminds me of the movie biy's dont cry, but reverse gender. I eally am afraid for your safety
other possible states to go would be I would say colorado, much more accepting there, also unless you are getting into a possible ltr I would not out yourself..
Please be carefull and stay safe, it would be a very sad thing to hear we lost someone especially after they got fully done.. :(
Stay safe and remember you don't have to put up with violence.Good luck and best wishes
You have come so far, please be safe. You have an entire life filled with opportunity ahead of you.
Quote from: TiffanyT on April 04, 2013, 09:59:52 PM
In the Qatif girl rape case, an 18-year old victim of kidnapping and gang rape was sentenced by a Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes.
Wiki has a long entry on womens rights in Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia) if anyone is actually interested.
And you may have a "right" to go and live wherever you want, but it can also get you killed. In many restraining order cases, the order is nullified if the accuser knowingly goes into places or situations where the defendant has a reasonable chance of being there. If I get beat up in a bar, get an order somehow against the person who did it, then return to the bar with my fancy paperwork and get beat up again, the cops are not going to do a thing about it.
Statistics wise, are there more rape in Saudi Arabia or the US? I stand by my Statement: one has a right to live the way they choose and running away sends the wrong message.
I really wish I had a room I would let you move here and in with me :laugh:
Just remember that its better to avoid the situations than to risk being thrown in jail for using deadly force against an attacker. Its something that can easily happen to a trans woman these days.
Tristan, can I make one more appeal to continue involving the police:
1. You pay them to protect you. Get your money's worth.
2. It creates a record of their violence. This will be useful when you go to get your restraining order. (You ARE going to get a restraining order, right?!? It is intended EXACTLY for people in your situation).
3. Lets your attackers know there are consequences to attacking you.
And please think twice before you use your gun. Shooting someone will have emotional and legal consequences that will follow you for your lifetime.
Though if you need to do damage to them, having a police record of their harassment could save you serious jail time.
I think a single nice looking female going alone swimming in any country in the world (and I've been to 65+ of them) is inviting trouble...NOT "asking for it", mind, but inviting it all the same. As a male in my before life I wouldn't do that alone in a lot of places; transgender or single lady, nuh uh. It is sadly the way it is. Once again, not the way things should be.... you should be able to walk alone down any street at any time of day and feel and be safe, but unfortunately this is rarely the case. Another way to put it, when you went swimming alone at night, did you see any other females having a dip at that time? Alone? If you didn't, I'd be questioning why I was doing it, what they knew that I did not...
In terms of safety, again from traveling the world, it is vastly easier to avoid trouble than it is to defuse it. At 6 ft and trained in tae kwon do, safety didn't use to be a big deal to me--nobody would have wanted a piece of what I could dish out--but that was the old days before every sucker had a gun, random pack stompings for Youtube fame became a thing to do, and of course, years of HRT shrinking my muscles and making me a bit obviously different. If you are the only single girl in any given setting, ask yourself why.
Oh, protip, aka what I tell my shorty cisfemale partner (one of them, anyway:) is if you need to strike, nothing and I mean NOTHING beats a quick jumping headbutt under your attacker's chin. Basically, bend your knees, tuck your chin down (look at your feet) and spring up under his face. They never expect you to come toward them instead of tugging away, and that tap on the top of your head won't hurt anywhere near as bad as the feeling dude will have with a busted chin as he tries to spit out pieces of his own tongue. >:-)
Quote from: Tristan on April 03, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
Ok so I'm dealing with physical violence from strangers lately by people who know me from before outing me for fun. How do you deal with this? I really don't want to become a statistic and sadly I'm not strong anymore so... Yeah I'm just trying to brainstorm some ideas
So, where you beaten, punch, kiked, push, thrown..what kind of physical violence was perpetrated on you? If you can comment