As most of you probably know Tehran is the world capital for sex change. I was wondering if anybody has gone to Iran for sex change. I found a very interesting doctor who does sex reassignment especially impressive results for F2M transsexuals.
http://www.shahryarcohanzad.com/Medical-Surgical.html (http://www.shahryarcohanzad.com/Medical-Surgical.html)
any thoughts?
It is? I had no idea Iran was the worlds capital for this?
If your homosexual you are given a choice in Iran
Die or sex change.....
Wow just wow.....I can't even imagine how that would impact
Them psychologically...I'm sure some will be good with it.
Others it destroys
Really that's the rule there? Why?
Radical islamist are in control of Iran...
So I guess it's a good thing I was not there at age 12 or I would have been out to death. That's sad the place has such beauty and nice people . I missed all that when I came through a few years back :( guess I'm lucky
Quote from: Tristan on April 23, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
It is? I had no idea Iran was the worlds capital for this?
Kia Ora Tristan,
When it comes to gender reassignment surgeries,Thailand takes the title of the world's capital, but Iran is a close second...
Metta Zenda :)
Wow I learn something new everyday
If I was there at 12 I probably would have asked
Can I orgasm?
I wonder how many of you are also aware that if you are non-op or unable to undergo surgery immediately then you are regarded as your biological sex, treated as a homosexual or transvestite for which you can be sentenced to death.
Iran is currently the second highest executioner in the world with someone being put to death on average every eight hours.
Two years ago Boxing Day I responded to an execution alert from United4Iran concerning two brothers who had wrestled with an intruder to their farm. In the fight they inadvertently pulled the intruder's jeans down over his waist.
Despite sending e-mails over two days the brothers were both hanged publicly for homosexuality in January the following year.
I would therefore firstly suggest that people do a bit more research before making such claims and secondly think long and hard about promoting Iran as any sort of capital for the transgendered.
Quote from: StellaB on April 23, 2013, 05:04:09 PM
I wonder how many of you are also aware that if you are non-op or unable to undergo surgery immediately then you are regarded as your biological sex, treated as a homosexual or transvestite for which you can be sentenced to death.
Iran is currently the second highest executioner in the world with someone being put to death on average every eight hours.
Two years ago Boxing Day I responded to an execution alert from United4Iran concerning two brothers who had wrestled with an intruder to their farm. In the fight they inadvertently pulled the intruder's jeans down over his waist.
Despite sending e-mails over two days the brothers were both hanged publicly for homosexuality in January the following year.
I would therefore firstly suggest that people do a bit more research before making such claims and secondly think long and hard about promoting Iran as any sort of capital for the transgendered.
Kia Ora Stella,
I don't think anybody's saying that Iran is a 'great' place to be trans- however according to Iran's Islamic law, transsexualism is covered under the law... It's legal to change ones sex, plus from what I gather the surgeons there perform hundreds of surgeries a year...Hence Iran being only second to Thailand when it comes to reassignment surgeries...
The sad part is many 'homosexuals' who fear for their lives also opt to having reassignment surgery...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUNsBAQ5fco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUNsBAQ5fco)
BTW In apartheid South Africa, the SA military also use to force gay conscripts into having reassignment surgery...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jul/29/chrismcgreal (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jul/29/chrismcgreal)
Metta Zenda :)
Okay, let me try this another way, okay?
A fur coat looks good and keeps me warm in cold weather. However you cannot have a fur coat without hundreds of small animals being killed.
Coming back... I'd like to think I'm able to complete my transition without the expense of human misery, suffering or death.
Additionally Iran is not Thailand. Sure they may do sex reassignment surgery quickly and at affordable rates, but think of the risks involved. Think about the risks you take when you try to enter Iran having a Western passport. That is, if they allow you to enter.
Iran is not a particularly safe place to travel to.
Therefore I repeat - think long and hard before promoting Teheran as a sex reassignment surgery capital.
Quote from: StellaB on April 23, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
Okay, let me try this another way, okay?
A fur coat looks good and keeps me warm in cold weather. However you cannot have a fur coat without hundreds of small animals being killed.
Coming back... I'd like to think I'm able to complete my transition without the expense of human misery, suffering or death.
Additionally Iran is not Thailand. Sure they may do sex reassignment surgery quickly and at affordable rates, but think of the risks involved. Think about the risks you take when you try to enter Iran having a Western passport. That is, if they allow you to enter.
Iran is not a particularly safe place to travel to.
Therefore I repeat - think long and hard before promoting Teheran as a sex reassignment surgery capital.
yeah i can see your point. every time we went they did remind of of the rules there and how they can be. even know we were invited on several occasions we did have to fallow there rules and they did reserve the right to keep us. it was scary at first but they did treat us really well and i would think only show us the good things.
dangerous place for westerns & women!
I would not even consider of traveling to Teheran! Not pre-op, not post-op, not ever.
Sorry to say, but I fear Arabic countries, when I don't fit their idea of average being.
Quote from: StellaB on April 23, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
Okay, let me try this another way, okay?
A fur coat looks good and keeps me warm in cold weather. However you cannot have a fur coat without hundreds of small animals being killed.
Coming back... I'd like to think I'm able to complete my transition without the expense of human misery, suffering or death.
Additionally Iran is not Thailand. Sure they may do sex reassignment surgery quickly and at affordable rates, but think of the risks involved. Think about the risks you take when you try to enter Iran having a Western passport. That is, if they allow you to enter.
Iran is not a particularly safe place to travel to.
Therefore I repeat - think long and hard before promoting Teheran as a sex reassignment surgery capital.
Kia Ora Stella,
I think we're both on the same page when it comes to the Iranian governments appalling human rights record...
However......
No one is 'promoting' Iran as the place to go for surgery, they/we are just 'stating' the 'fact' Iran performs lots of surgeries on both M2Fs and F2Ms...Second to Thailand...
From what I gather, the OP was just asking about a particular Iranian surgeon who performs F2M surgery...Bearing in mind F2Ms do not have as much choice as M2Fs when it comes to surgeons...
I personally have no right to 'judge' a person's choice of surgeon or which country they choose to have their surgery in...
It's also important for people not to judge all Iranians by the actions of their government...
Metta Zenda :)
Well whaddya know.... There's me thinking that this place is an internet message board where anyone can come and share their thoughts and feelings freely..
However if I'm going to be lectured on how to interpret other posts and what to post I can sure find other ways of spending my time elsewhere.
Have fun folks... it's been nice knowing you and all that..
Most MTF who have their SRS done in Teheran end up with lousy results.
Iranian MTF have their SRS done in Thailand, if they can afford it.
Quote from: StellaB on April 24, 2013, 06:41:26 AM
Well whaddya know.... There's me thinking that this place is an internet message board where anyone can come and share their thoughts and feelings freely..
However if I'm going to be lectured on how to interpret other posts and what to post I can sure find other ways of spending my time elsewhere.
Have fun folks... it's been nice knowing you and all that..
Kia Ora Stella,
It was not my intention to try and censor you, you have every right to your opinion just as I do...
I was just pointing out a little known fact that Iranian surgeons have performed many reassignment surgeries, I was not advocating people should go to Iran for surgery...
It would be a shame to see you leave over such a trivial matter as this, plus I've read some of your other posts and have found them quite interesting and educational...
My apologies for any misunderstanding that has arisen...Hope you reconsider...
But if you still intent to leave I wish you all the best on your journey...
Metta Zenda :)
Quote from: Henna on April 23, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
I would not even consider of traveling to Teheran! Not pre-op, not post-op, not ever.
Sorry to say, but I fear Arabic countries, when I don't fit their idea of average being.
That is another thing that could get you in trouble there. Persians resent being called "Arabs."
Quote from: Jamie D on April 24, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
That is another thing that could get you in trouble there. Persians resent being called "Arabs."
Kia Ora Jamie,
::) Just like Kiwis don't like being called Aussies or Canucks being called Yanks ;) ;D
Or worse still a Scot being referred to as English...
Metta Zenda :)
Quote from: Jamie D on April 24, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
That is another thing that could get you in trouble there. Persians resent being called "Arabs."
Well, thank God I will stay in Europe and in Western Europe for rest of my life.
Quote from: XchristineX on April 23, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
If your homosexual you are given a choice in Iran
Die or sex change.....
Wow just wow.....I can't even imagine how that would impact
Them psychologically...I'm sure some will be good with it.
Others it destroys
I totally disagree that a gay guy would undergo sex reassignment if he was feeling like a man. I believe that the Islamic law sees transsexuality as a medical problem and therefore offers a choice of having medical treatment for those suffering from GD. Of course some of those individuals are gay guys but I believe very few...
Anyway, my aim was to make a point about how impressive the f2m results of this particular doctor were. I would never like to find myself in a country run by islamic laws.
I'd be very hesitant about going to Iran for gender reassignment surgery even if the results are stellar, especially considering that within a year or so they'll be having another set of elections which some people are predicting violence like there was last time.
Quote from: swan on May 07, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
I totally disagree that a gay guy would undergo sex reassignment if he was feeling like a man. I believe that the Islamic law sees transsexuality as a medical problem and therefore offers a choice of having medical treatment for those suffering from GD. Of course some of those individuals are gay guys but I believe very few...
Anyway, my aim was to make a point about how impressive the f2m results of this particular doctor were. I would never like to find myself in a country run by islamic laws.
Gay men (and lesbians) do get SRS in Iran, because the laws say that being gay is illegal and punishable by death, even if men and women don't want to transition, they often do anyways if they're unable to live their lives in secret or flee the country. Sex-changes are allowed, because they're not mentioned in the Qu'ran, while some people interprete the Qu'ran as forbidding homosexuality. It's not uncommon.
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/05/change_sex_or_d.html (http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/05/change_sex_or_d.html)
Quote from: Henna on April 23, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
I would not even consider of traveling to Teheran! Not pre-op, not post-op, not ever.
Sorry to say, but I fear Arabic countries, when I don't fit their idea of average being.
Ah (like Jamie said), don't say that in Iran, they're Persian not Arab!
Kia Ora,
A while back I read a news item where the president of Iran "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" was invited to speak at an American university, and one of the students asked if there were any homosexuals 'living' in Iran...He's answer was simple "No there are no homosexuals in Iran !" and what he meant was, in order for homosexuals to continue to live in Iran they would have to undergo reassignment surgery...
So the numbers quoted in the link provided by LearnedHand, would be about right, that is 80% of those who have had surgery in Iran are 'gay' and only 20% of those who have had surgery actually suffered from gender dysphoria...
Metta Zenda :)
i guess you have to do whatever to survive :(
the shocking truth about Iran :(
How do they prove somebody is gay though? It is very difficult to prove that
Quote from: swan on May 09, 2013, 01:19:18 AM
the shocking truth about Iran :(
How do they prove somebody is gay though? It is very difficult to prove that
People get reported and burden is on them to disprove it, which is pretty difficult.
what a crazy country
I was always wondering why such terrible wars happen in muslim countries... I now know the answer... They prohibit the freedom of choice....
Ugh... anytime I am thinking that being born as trans pretty much screws up Your life, if I go deeper into this, I always try to think that it could have been worse. You might be born MtF in India (we all know what is the attitude towards having girls in families there...), some countries or states which have no idea what TS means (I dont know how NK deals with TS, but I doubt there is SRS available there, though given their population, statistically there must be a lots of TS), being born in some remote areas with 0 access to information and having no idea what is going on with You... Other sad options :(
Besides, I think that effects of SRS for a gay guys must be terrible. They do not suffer from GD and they are males. Their inner world is entirely male with that gay-ish glazing on top and there is no female brain circuit or wiring in their brains, we are all talking about :( And gay men usually are not attracted to TS girls, because they do not see us as males (and rightly so), they regard as as females and thus their homosexuality is not triggered by us.
I did email someone i know there about this and they did say they have a process to determine if someone is gay or not. and as far as terrible things happening in Muslim countries im not sure i would put it that way i mean terrible things happen in the USA and other places too. i have been to quite a few Muslim countries for long periods and i never had anything terrible happen to me or my sisters. or my brothers now that i think of it? but it could be because i have always been very obedient when i go.
Well how convenient if you happen to be legitimately transgendered though... "YOU MUST TRANSITON! BWAHH!"
Quote from: Tristan on May 09, 2013, 07:16:27 AM
as far as terrible things happening in Muslim countries im not sure i would put it that way i mean terrible things happen in the USA and other places too
Of the 3,125 prisoners currently on Death Row, how many are awaiting execution because they are homosexual or have practised sodomy?
How many are on Death Row for 'moharebeh' (seeking enmity with God)?
How many American women have been stoned to death for infidelity and other sexual misdemeanours?
How many human rights activists are being held in jail for 'spreading propaganda against the State (and President)'?
How many of activists are on hunger strike?
A friend of a friend is in Syria. Last year he lost his father and brother - both were shot dead. He has relocated three times. We are praying that he can get out of Syria alive.
Quote from: StellaB on May 09, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
Of the 3,125 prisoners currently on Death Row, how many are awaiting execution because they are homosexual or have practised sodomy?
How many are on Death Row for 'moharebeh' (seeking enmity with God)?
How many American women have been stoned to death for infidelity and other sexual misdemeanours?
How many human rights activists are being held in jail for 'spreading propaganda against the State (and President)'?
How many of activists are on hunger strike?
A friend of a friend is in Syria. Last year he lost his father and brother - both were shot dead. He has relocated three times. We are praying that he can get out of Syria alive.
Dont forget recieving 100+ lashes a punishment for being raped.
The marriage of 6 year old girls and subsequent rape at age 9 (as their prophet did in the koran)
The absolute slave like conditions of indians who travel to islamic contries for work (the things ive seen in dubai are despicable)
oh and dont forget - the punishment for apostasy (leaving islam) is death.
How is sex change normal then there? So contradictory country
being pushed into SRS is not completely bad. you can still have fun in life ;)
Quote from: Tristan on May 26, 2013, 12:47:15 PM
being pushed into SRS is not completely bad. you can still have fun in life ;)
I just can't imagine being one gender and being forced to see my body change in ways I don't want it to, to have to adopt a gender role I don't want to, to be with someone who wouldn't love me for the real me, and to never again be able to express my true self. Is that really a fun way to live? ???
You learn to adjust and adapt. You can have good days
Quote from: Tristan on May 26, 2013, 01:11:07 PM
You learn to adjust and adapt. You can have good days
Maybe you're stronger than me then :-\ I couldn't adapt to living as a male ever again. I'd legit be suicidal everyday.
Btw, I've always admired your courage and your tenacity. <3
No need to admire me. No courage. I'm just a survivor. I adapt to situations. Or at least try haha.
Yeah I can understand that. For me being a boy was fun. Way more freedom. I miss it. But from what I have herd from others the dysphoria I guess it's called of not being able to be who you are is unbearable. I always felt bad and still do about how others go through that and I never did. Even no I don't and I adapted. Heck if someone ever was mean to me in Iran and said they were going to make me into a guy I would so jump at the chance to have that penis back. But I'm weird like that ;)
I would also demand a large cookie
Quote from: Tristan on May 26, 2013, 02:06:55 PM
No need to admire me. No courage. I'm just a survivor. I adapt to situations. Or at least try haha.
Yeah I can understand that. For me being a boy was fun. Way more freedom. I miss it. But from what I have herd from others the dysphoria I guess it's called of not being able to be who you are is unbearable. I always felt bad and still do about how others go through that and I never did. Even no I don't and I adapted. Heck if someone ever was mean to me in Iran and said they were going to make me into a guy I would so jump at the chance to have that penis back. But I'm weird like that ;)
I would also demand a large cookie
LOL! xD
Yeah it's all the same for me. I just have a different kind of fun now. They can too. It's better than rotting away in a jail. But not being able to stand and owe is a downer. It's all about popping a squat now ;)
You are so crazy Tristan, I like u a lot :)
Quote from: swan on May 26, 2013, 06:13:30 PM
You are so crazy Tristan, I like u a lot :)
Yeah, she's one of a kind.
We should totally be roommates one day girl!
Swan and kyh I'm only a little crazy. I just am making up for lost time. I play however I can :)
I feel the same Tristan. Since my SRS I feel like I am me for the first time in my life. Now I have gone totally insane doing things I have never done before :) This state of mind is just amazing :)
Yes... Yes swan. Now we must make up for lost bedroom fun time. We must go giggdy giggdy goo!
;D