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Your face looks filled in to me ???
Quote from: MaidofOrleans on May 09, 2013, 04:34:06 PM
Your face looks filled in to me ???
Yeah, really not seeing an issue hon. You have a very nice, feminine face shape to me. Nice cheekbones, nicely tapered chin, nice wide set eyes... I think you're worrying for nothing, hon.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 09, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Well thanks everyone but not really, it is still very skinny, like my nose bone is defined and my cheeks look really hollow from the side. My jaw also looks sharp. I wish it were filled out but it feels/looks just like it used to. :-\ Wearing makeup helps a lot but it can't cover the overall shape of a skinny face.
I'm just wondering how long it took people to see a difference for themselves?
Well, obviously I can't answer your question. But really, I don't see anything out of the ordinary or anything but female looking at you. You look like a thin female which you are. Some people carry more fat in their face than others - this is true for males as well as females. I've seen fat males for whom you could never tell they were that heavy in their face. And this seems to be more true for 'pear shaped' males and females than others. Ever heard of Beccabae? :laugh: >:-)
Really, nobody is going to think anything hon. Your face is similar to many girls.
I don't see anything wrong with your face. My face isn't fat except for under my chin, I'll let you have some of it cause it really bothers me, especially in my profile.
What gets me is that It's not really fat. It just starts from my chin and goes halfway down to my neck. Kinda sux though because My adam's apple is really small and doesn't need to be hidden. I don't even know if it would qualify as an adam's apple or just my voice box. I smoke so my voice reflects that but it's really easy for me to sound female without voice lessons. Even when I wieghed 140 in my younger days I still had the ugly 45 defree chin. I guess when I get older i get to look forward to the "waddle". Great, just great something else to worry about now.
Two years in, my face is still vampirish in this regard. :P
Of course, I haven't really gained much weight. I've had some minor success recently, but it's not easy.
I don't know about how it fills out in the long run but I started noticing my cheeks fleshing out some more at around two months. It may just be a layer of subcutaneous fat and not actual facial fat redistribution. I have always had some fat on my face though so our situations may be dissimilar. When I even so much as smirk now, you can really see the difference. I can certainly understand how you would want to see some changes even though you obviously look fantastic.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 09, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Well thanks everyone but not really, it is still very skinny, like my nose bone is defined and my cheeks look really hollow from the side. My jaw also looks sharp. I wish it were filled out but it feels/looks just like it used to. :-\ Wearing makeup helps a lot but it can't cover the overall shape of a skinny face.
I'm just wondering how long it took people to see a difference for themselves?
Well, part of it is going to be how much weight you are carrying. If you are a real skinny-mini, it might be hard. Think of the toned, athletic natal females, who don't have much in the way of body fat, no hips, no breasts, and thin faces.
You look lovely, really. Those "pudgy" legs make you look quite feminine and are an asset. Smiling always helps with the face fat. You may gain some further fat in your face eventually. You've been on HRT for a short while.
I didn't notice my face face fill out until recently and I'm about to be at my 2 year mark.
my dosages have also been raised more than once since i wasn't getting enough E
be patient! you look so cute in that picture btw.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 09, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
@kelly darn. It smoothed out a bit though I thought right?
@joanna I think I maybe got like a tiny tiny thin layer because I at least look better in really harsh lighting than I used to but that's about it... maybe it is what you were talking about. You should let me know how it goes on HRT after more time :)
@Jamie D well I don't really think I am skinny. Honestly my legs are kinda pudgy...
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Obv taken the same day...
So I don't know why my face isn't fuller :(
Your legs look fabulous to me girl. Nothing at all wrong with them and shaped good, but then again I have never been drawn toward the super skinny supermodel body type attractionwise, male or female.
I actually had a much rounder face pre-HRT; estrogen very quickly made all my face fat go away. Weird, I guess. I don't mind, though, since I personally look a lot more feminine with the higher cheekbones and smaller jaw/chin that losing the padding caused. :)
(And I'm overweight, if it matters.)
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 10, 2013, 08:56:42 AM
@celestica Thanks :) and awesome! That gives me hope. If ya don't mind me asking do you remember what kind of E level you were going for when you increased your dose? I do feel like mine has gotten better but will need 1 more increase too.
@Jess thanks, I am pretty okay with my legs as long as they don't become cellulitey, just not sure why my face gets none of it :-\ I was always kinda bottom heavy without actually being pear shaped though.
You can keep that from happening very easily by walking. You can also do the exersise where you stand on your tiptoes and then back down. I try to walk faster than normal but not speed walking or anything. I have to say that one part of me that I like are my legs. I know what everyone says about the sun and so on but I like to tan and plus the natural output of vitamin D helps with depression. Not to mention a pair of white shorts look good.
Main facial changes occur between the 7th-10th month so you pretty much already have the face you'll be stuck with dear. Which is completely fine.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 10, 2013, 11:01:04 PM
Well thanks, I'm still gonna look forward to 5-6 months from now though :P cause I refuse to believe my changes thus far were normal when I spent most of it at 700+ T. That would just be depressing :/
Thank you though, glad to hear a real timeframe!!
So basically you weren't getting the full effects you could from hormones for the past while. So that's good news! I'm excited for you girl :)
At the risk of sounding negative, I am really frustrated at someone as beautiful as you. Your avatar picture is that of a gorgeous woman. Your full body image is that of a healthy and outstanding young woman. WHAT is it that you hope to achieve that you haven't already. That your face be a little more ??? That your body be a little more ??? Your are smoking hot! Granted, I understand the desire for perfection at least as much as any woman can, but you are a WAY more beautiful woman than any woman in my +40 year experience can hope to be. Again, as I have posted elsewhere, I hope that I can achieve half of the beauty you have already achieved. Sorry, if I come on too strong, but you are a drop-dead beauty, I only wish that you could see you as I see you.
Christy.
Your young, your beautiful, what more does a girl really want??? If you really want a little more fill in the face, you can start working out – focus on legs, rear and the waist/lower stomach – tone those muscles as it will help later in life and will burn calories for the other part of the recommendation. "Bounce" your weight – loose 10 pounds and then gain 10 pounds, then lose 10 then gain 10...over and over again. The result could be or might be the redistribution of fat. That has helped me some and I've heard that it has helped others. However, I really don't think you need to worry. You are a "wow".
@ChristyB: Thing is when you're passable right out the gate and simply looking like a woman is a non-issue. What is an issue though is being naturally "prettier" for a woman. I had sort of the same struggle.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 09, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
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So I don't know why my face isn't fuller :(
Quit worrying. In that photo you look like a lovely young girl, 100%. :)
So....Relax about the face fat situation, and let nature take its course. Your blood pressure will thank you, and you'll sleep well at night.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 11, 2013, 08:33:52 AM
Basically, having a good bone structure doesn't make it unreasonable to be discontent with bad fat redistribution... at least I don't think it should :(
No, not unreasonable hon. Though I'm not really sure what you mean by 'bad fat redistribution' and what you expect. I wonder what you're basing this off of. Yeah, I suppose in general women have a rounder shape to their face than men. It's a generality. Some people get chubby cheeks and others don't. Slender women often have slender faces with more pronounced cheekbones. I don't know much about fat re-distribution (I've always had a more 'male' distribution which actually made me look a lot more masculine heavy than thin). But I've heard that 'old' fat doesn't re-distribute as easily as 'new' fat. No idea if this is true. If so, if you haven't gained any weight, there's nothing to re-arrange, maybe?
Quoteif I didn't then WHY did everyone see me as a boy??
Well, like I said earlier, it doesn't take much for a lot of cis females to pass as male. Usually they pass as young boys, small effeminate males, etc. So, I wouldn't give much weight to the fact you 'passed' as a boy.
I think sometimes going through transition we assume we just haven't changed enough when we might have ended up the same cis. Maybe you're one of those people that just doesn't carry much weight in her face. I've even seen this in fat people. Sometimes it's got nothing to do with how thin you are or how your weight re-distributed or not. People are just shaped how they're shaped and there's not always a rhyme or reason to it, ya know? Cis people accept this. They may hate a feature, but if it's something they can't change, they accept it and even learn to appreciate it. Back when I was in denial as a young 'girl', I used to think there was something wrong with my shape. Girl jeans and pants didn't fit properly and every other girl seemed to have that hourglass or pear shape where the waist goes in and the hips and butt come out. I tried losing weight, I tried gaining weight, working out certain areas, etc - but I just wasn't going to have a lower half like that. Gaining weight just wasn't going to give me a butt or hips. Tried it with build too. But I was just always going to have a larger structure than most girls.
You may just not be one of those girls with full cheeks. And you've got it in your head this is 'masculine' or an HRT fail. If you really want to class every feature as masculine or feminine, then most models are wayyyy masculine. But most of them are XX. Most cisgirls would be ecstatic at your cheekbones!
I started passing at 4 months so I know what it's like to be that lucky and I also know that transition, passing, and satisfaction are all relative. Should we be grateful for how we look and are perceived? Yes. In fact, we must be grateful if we wish to be honest with ourselves or content or free from fear. That being said...our concerns are not illegitimate. As a transsexual I have a distinct history as someone who was in body and perception - male. When you start fitting into the position you always dreamed of its wonderful but you start wanting it even more. The closer you get the less tolerable the obstacles keeping you from being perfectly placed there become. Before I passed I never dreamed I would pass and when I started to I quickly acclimated to my new reality and became aware of my new concerns which were maintaining my new freedom and grasping onto the miracle of my life as firmly as possible. This is dangerous, of course, because I will never, no matter how hard I try, be Cis. I am transsexual and that is something I need to accept. That doesn't mean I should tolerate male features I can't stand, but it does mean that I need to accept where I came from and what composes my constitution as a woman.
I started getting a fuller face at 7 months and now at 9 months it us very different than when I began. Much more feminine. That being said - it's not like a large injection of fat, it's that my skin has become different and plumped up, that subcutaneous layer had developed. When I smile my cheeks are full! But I have an angular face still...and it is unreasonable to expect that women don't. I think I had it in my mind that women have big full cheeks and lots of face fat but that's not a typical woman's face at all! Some women have faces like that but by no means all. That doesn't make it easier for me. If I had a fatter face I would look way more female from all angles. But I can't control that without surgery and I don't want to need that much control over what I have imagined is making me look male.
You need to be gentle on yourself and remember that you are a woman and you look like one too. Accept that you are transsexual and continue to work hard for what you believe in for your body but don't let that need for control make you lose gratitude for where you are or what you have become.
I had a horrible moment of dysphoria last night where I stared at my face crying because its so male. I pass well and in my avatar I know I look great, but it's when I have no makeup at all, hair pulled back, and from the side that I see a long face, a Huge head, bony features, a big Brow, or a man staring at me. It's too much. And as someone who passes and is perceived female in my daily life, the pressure is too great. I take off my clothes at the end of the day and I see a body grown in two directions. And I have a very feminine frame in most regards, I should be grateful. But too much of me is still male. I look at myself in the mirror naked and I feel lost in a body that doesn't meet the standard set for it by the social recognition of it. Meaning that I am a woman, people see me as one, I shouldn't have a Penis or large chest muscles or the head of a man. I should be able to take my clothes off and see a woman but I can't and I try to see her desperately. It makes me feel like a phony, like if the world came home with me they'd know what I really am, and they'd understand that clothing, makeup, hair, and lighting are the controlling forces in my gender.
That's a really dark place, and I can't explain how much it hurts to go there. But I also can't really explain how much it hurts that I would do this to Myself. I don't deserve to be observed in a microscope or dismembered in a mirror. Not by anyone. And I don't deserve to be held to a standard I can never meet, or to be forced to be anyone's ideal. I need to be who I am and that means transitioning sex and I won't stop until I know I'm home in my body, but I need to be doing this for myself and while doing so I need to be gentle. I also need to accept that I don't see myself clearly. People tell me I don't look male at all any more. I don't believe them. But why not? Why can't I just accept it, even if part of me appears that way? This is a dangerous balance that we need to work on every day. It's a blessing to pass but once you do your dysphoria can change into something else, and we need to be prepared for that.
I'm so happy and in love with my life and body today and I am responsible for taking care of Diana and never letting anyone hurt her or strike her down or disempower her today, including myself. Good luck, I believe in you...
Quote from: PrincessDi on May 11, 2013, 10:45:02 AMI need to be who I am and that means transitioning sex and I won't stop until I know I'm home in my body, but I need to be doing this for myself and while doing so I need to be gentle.
+1
I think you should totally expect more changes. Your T wasn't sufficiently suppressed so it stands to reason that many of the estrogen receptors that cause changes will be activated now that the T is being suppressed.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 09, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
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So I don't know why my face isn't fuller :(
Oh bother, you look like a girl and there's nothing wrong with your face, plus you are young and your face and body will continue to fill out over time
As others have mentioned, I really don't see a problem
If you started looking like one of these charactors...
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Then I would be a bit worried
Quote from: V M on May 12, 2013, 12:57:25 AM
If you started looking like one of these charactors...
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Then I would be a bit worried
Hey, I resemble that remark! ;D