I Want to Grow Big Man-boobs
My Wife Wants Me To Grow Breasts
We are a late 30's early 40's happily married couple. I have been an on & off cross dresser pretty much all my life.
My wife likes me wearing female clothes as she says I am a lot more relaxed & even tempered when "dressed" - She buys me clothes & shoes & I dress around the house often.
However, recently she has been pushing me to start herbal remedies to actually grow breasts. We have done a fair bit of research & it seems like it can be done but, it is a pretty permanent thing. The idea of having breasts is a turn on for both of us but it is a big commitment.
What do you guys think I should do? Go for it or tell her no.
I'd say no. There is a fair amount of commitment to having breasts, it's not just a turn-on thing. What will your work say if you came in sporting a pair of C's? How about your families? (Both of yours, yours and hers) Do you have kids? What about them?
There's a chance you could lose some of your "male" sex drive...are you willing to chance losing that? (Erections, the need to poke things with it, ejaculation, etc). You may start having sex as a woman...preferring caressing and being caressed over the actual orgasm.
Just a few thoughts...also herbs don't work as well as actual estrogen, but their side-effects (see above) are less, also.
I would also say no. It sounds like you're going to remain a traditional couple (man and woman) and this is just a turn on for the bedroom. How are you going to feel if you want to send some time at the hotel pool or hot tub? What about going to the beach? The Doctor? Even wearing a tight tee shirt in the summer. Having breasts might be embarrassing to both of you. To say it is a big commitment is an understatement. It's kind of life changing.
Besides herbals don't work very well if at all.
How big do you want to go? If they're too noticeable you'll have to deal with the stigma of being a man with breasts for the rest of your life. Is it worth it? If it is, like the others said, herbals won't get you the results you want.
Hey Cros,
I am also married with a supportive wife who now introduces me as her wife. Since you have been cross dressing for sometime I wonder how much of the big picture for your very personal gender identity is included? There is a nice broad spectrum of transgender people here at Susan's and you can find all kinds of journeys and private paths being explored.
As other respondents and you have noted, this is a commitment and herbs, I tried em, with insignificant results. While labels are not always helpful, the bisexual orientation my wife and I share has made our odyssey lovingly inclusive and open to new ideas and people. You may find the story of Stu Rasmussen, Mayor of Silverton, OR intriguing as he is a cross dresser, transgender and self proclaimed heterosexual. Breasts are important to most of us but they are not the most critcal focus of change we experience--that's between our ears it seems?
Good Luck,
TJ
fwiw, I did herbs for 6 months prior to getting on HRT, and I did have measurable growth. Got the buds behind the nipples, and just before I got on HRT the nips were elevated about 1" off the chest (as measured by a ruler at the center of the chest). They were also much more sensitive to touch than man-nipples (which were flat on the chest).
So yeah, ymmv.
I'm assuming you've already tried breast forms for temporary boobs?
I thank you girls.
But on myself, I do desperately desire to have real boobs, or, as I put it, be a man with breasts. I'm a fairly skinny fellow, and would like to remain that way mostly, so I'm interested in growing real breasts, and I was just wondering how many men were actually interested in breasts as opposed to moobs, and how many women were actually interested in breasts on their men opposed to moobs.
or sure man. i would like a nice pair of D cups . but i dont want plastic surgury i want natural enhancment
Can anybody help me
If you're not interested in a breast augmentation, and want to "go natural", well, I don't think you'll get the results you want.
Herbals won't work and HRT isn't just something you can go on in a whim. Plus it comes with many other changes that probably will be unacceptable for you if your desire is to stay male (the way you are now) and just get boobs.
Herbs will not give you D cups. At most, they'll increase one cup size, and even that is "iffy."
Estrogen does a lot more than just give breasts (see my first post), and it takes several months to get the hormones. You could go the "informed consent" method, where you let the therapist know that you know the consequences, and if you find an endo who'll accept that then you'll be given two hormones: an anti-androgen (which kills off testosterone; your body, being male, will prefer T over Estrogen, given a choice, so you have to kill the choice for E to work), and estrogen (pills, shots, or patch, depending on what your endo offers, and your choice).
Once you get on hormones, it takes from 1-4 years to fully develop breasts.
Even with hormones, most MtF's seem to get A cups, a few get B's, a couple have gotten C's, and I've only heard of one who got DD's. So even with hormones, it's unlikely to get D's.
That's just how it is.
(I will say that I was a C-cup within three months on estrogen, before many other irreversible changes set in. But I get the impression I'm an outlier on that one, and I WAS using prescription estrogen - I don't think the herbals do much. Otherwise I will second everyone else that having breasts and living as a man is difficult and complicated; I went full-time earlier than I planned rather than deal with that hassle anymore! I'm also not at all slender, and breasts will look proportionally much larger on a slighter frame.)
(I wear anything between a 38D and 42DDD now, depending on the bra.)
Quote from: Beth Andrea on May 27, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
Herbs will not give you D cups. At most, they'll increase one cup size, and even that is "iffy."
Estrogen does a lot more than just give breasts (see my first post), and it takes several months to get the hormones. You could go the "informed consent" method, where you let the therapist know that you know the consequences, and if you find an endo who'll accept that then you'll be given two hormones: an anti-androgen (which kills off testosterone; your body, being male, will prefer T over Estrogen, given a choice, so you have to kill the choice for E to work), and estrogen (pills, shots, or patch, depending on what your endo offers, and your choice).
Once you get on hormones, it takes from 1-4 years to fully develop breasts.
Even with hormones, most MtF's seem to get A cups, a few get B's, a couple have gotten C's, and I've only heard of one who got DD's. So even with hormones, it's unlikely to get D's.
That's just how it is.
+1
And also, I don't see why you wouldn't just get a breast augmentation Cros? If at one point they become too bothersome you can just get them removed easily. Sure it'll cost quite a bit of money, but that seems to be the best option for you when all is said and done.
Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 27, 2013, 11:05:14 AM
(I will say that I was a C-cup within three months on estrogen, before many other irreversible changes set in. But I get the impression I'm an outlier on that one, and I WAS using prescription estrogen - I don't think the herbals do much. Otherwise I will second everyone else that having breasts and living as a man is difficult and complicated; I went full-time earlier than I planned rather than deal with that hassle anymore! I'm also not at all slender, and breasts will look proportionally much larger on a slighter frame.)
(I wear anything between a 38D and 42DDD now, depending on the bra.)
OMG girl! Your chest must've blown up like a pair of balloons!! How old were you? Did it hurt (or itch...) because of the rapid growth? (All relevant to this thread, because cros seems to be in a hurry)
Beth Andrea : It did kind of feel like the balloon thing at first! Although it was mostly what was already there perking up and standing out for the first couple weeks. I've had some soreness and the occasional really fiendish itching, but nothing excruciating... and I thank goodness I was that lucky.
I was 32 when I started, and I've been on HRT a bit over three years now. My endo and doc just sort of shrugged and said I must have lots of estrogen receptors. :) I also had very low (below male range) T before I started, which might have something to do with it, I dunno.
Anyway, while it *can* happen, I actually second the recommendation for implants if cros wants something super fast and guaranteed to be the size/shape/placement he likes. Plus the remove-ability is definitely a factor; there's no way natural boobs are going anywhere without moderately invasive and reconstructive surgery.
QuoteI also had very low (below male range) T before I started, which might have something to do with it, I dunno.
Me too, that's why I suspect the herbs helped as much as they did (I'm a B after one year on HRT, btw)
Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 27, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
Anyway, while it *can* happen, I actually second the recommendation for implants if cros wants something super fast and guaranteed to be the size/shape/placement he likes. Plus the remove-ability is definitely a factor; there's no way natural boobs are going anywhere without moderately invasive and reconstructive surgery.
Yeah, if they got to be quite big he'd basically have to get top surgery (what Ftm trans guys get to remove their breasts and create a flat chest) which can be
even more expensive than a breast augmentation. Whereas with the augmentation, removing them is a much simpler process.
If this is just a bedroom thing you shouldn't do it because there is a chance (however low because they are herbal) that you will no longer be able to perform in the bedroom. Also, you really can't pinpoint areas you want to develop. If you took regular HRt you could very well end up with breasts, hips, and a big ole butt. Hormonally you would be female. You might also start passing or stop passing as a male. Do you like being male? If so, you should under no circumstances start taking hormones. You are going to give yourself severe gender dysphoria and as one who has suffered her whol life with this condition I can tell you it is no fun at all.
Quote from: cros on May 27, 2013, 06:21:53 AM
I thank you girls.
But on myself, I do desperately desire to have real boobs, or, as I put it, be a man with breasts. I'm a fairly skinny fellow, and would like to remain that way mostly, so I'm interested in growing real breasts, and I was just wondering how many men were actually interested in breasts as opposed to moobs, and how many women were actually interested in breasts on their men opposed to moobs.
or sure man. i would like a nice pair of D cups . but i dont want plastic surgery i want natural enhancement
Can anybody help me
You are unlikely to get any sort of significant growth with herbs. Phytoestrogens are pretty much worthless. In fact, we do not allow the sensationalistic herb "breast growing" testimonials on the site.
The only way you are going to get "natural enhancement" is by using those bioidentical hormones that are found in natal women's bodies. Only very rarely do you find men, with gynecomastia, with breasts that large.
Most skinny/healthy women here in my country have A-cups. And there are some biological men who have C-cups, and they are extremely obese.
barbie~~
I am ready to transition from male to female at 43. I want to do this properly and in a discrete manner. How can I?
Thank you
Depening which country you are in you probably need to start with a therapist. If you are in a place where informed consent is available you can get onto E and AA within a few sessions. If you are in a place that needs therapist consent you have to convince the therapist tht you require hormonal reassignment, the time for that seems quite variable.
From your previous posts you said that you wish to remain with functional male sex organs. Hormonal reassignment can alter this very quickly or quite slowly depending upon personal physiology. For example I was unable to have a penile erection within days of starting E. I have no chance at all now!! Which is fine by me.
Physical changes can happen quite quickly in body changes, breasts, bum facial changes can be slow or can be rapid and there appers little to predict them in an individual.
If you wish to transition do remember that you will be looking and living as a female, OK the 'degree' of passability can vary as well.
Your relationship with your wife will change. Unless she is accepting of you, and unless she has lesbian interests she may not accept you as a sexual partner.
Transitioning changes your life fundamentally and is not for the faint hearted. If you are pursuing this for sexual interest reasons, which is fine, you may want to look at alternatives to full hormonal transition.
I have heard some people reporting that taking female hormones does not interfere (much) with sexual potency as a male – and what about the she-male phenomenon? Others say it definitely kills Lord John stone dead, and good job too. It seems that yet others are able develop female breasts but still be able to function as a male sexually more or less indefinitely – is there a discussion string on ->-bleeped-<-Web or any other TG forums on this (if so, I haven't found it yet).
Obviously if I take female hormones, at whatever dosage, for long enough, I am going to get to the point of no return as regards having boobs, even if I stop the hormones. I think I am probably approaching that point fairly soon. But this doesn't worry me – I guess I am that far gone already in my transgender journey – neither does it worry my wife, who is delighted with my female breasts.
Can transsexuals have orgasm after hormone therapy
Quote from: cros on June 16, 2013, 05:40:45 AM
I have heard some people reporting that taking female hormones does not interfere (much) with sexual potency as a male – and what about the she-male phenomenon? Others say it definitely kills Lord John stone dead, and good job too. It seems that yet others are able develop female breasts but still be able to function as a male sexually more or less indefinitely – is there a discussion string on ->-bleeped-<-Web or any other TG forums on this (if so, I haven't found it yet).
Obviously if I take female hormones, at whatever dosage, for long enough, I am going to get to the point of no return as regards having boobs, even if I stop the hormones. I think I am probably approaching that point fairly soon. But this doesn't worry me – I guess I am that far gone already in my transgender journey – neither does it worry my wife, who is delighted with my female breasts.
Can transsexuals have orgasm after hormone therapy
It's different for everybody. You can't really predict something like that.
And yes, transsexuals can orgasm while on hrt, and also after srs.
My feeling is that if you want to follow this path I would seek the help of a good endocrinologist and probably an experienced plastic surgeon and psychiatrist who can help you.
One thing we always have to remember is that you see people in magazines or movies in any situation that their images are often manipulated to make them look fantastic. I think many woman in the movies can look awesome when made up and photographed and look rather ordinary in real life.
The same is probably true for people who have had gender changes and present in porno movies etc, their images may not reflect the truth!
There is nothing wrong whatsoever in you and your wife pursuing your ideas, but do be a little be cautious that at some point changes may not be reversible and if you don't want them you are stuck with them, and not just in the bedroom but everywhere in life.
To that end, and I am very conscious of the wide variation in the gender spectrum of people here, that if you go to my level (for example) you have to live in society as a woman. I have no 'male privilege' I am identified as and live as and expect to be treated as any other woman in my society. If you don't want that then don't follow that route.
As far as orgasms etc for trans*people, that of course is a very personal experience and feeling. In my case I have a deep and satisfying sex life. However my sexual pleasure is totally female focussed.
YOU are the only person who can decide how you want to live. No one here can ever tell you that being anywhere on the gender spectrum is suitable for you. We are all gorgeous people and all unique and we all deserve love and respect.
Cindy
Also, in the realm of getting hormones prescribed, rather than trying to convince the therapist that you are trans, there is a method known as "informed consent", where you demonstrate a knowledge of how hormone therapy will change you, and that you accept the risks (and benefits).
As I understand it, this is to protect the medical people from being wrongly accused later of "misdiagnosing" you.
fwiw, I have heard that the actors/actresses in that kind of porn "cycle" their hormones...take them until they either get breasts, and/or get a "boob job" (breast augmentation is the medical term), then stop taking them while they're working in the industry. Typically, you'll see a change in your emissions within a couple weeks; after a few months, there'll be almost nothing coming out but orgasms will still be there. (And that's an unsettling experience, let me tell you! ;) ) As I understand it, if you stop taking hormones, male emissions will resume after a short time.
I do not know, as I have never stopped HRT.
I do not know how much of the "male sex drive" (the desire to penetrate) disappears with HRT. I have heard (from the FtM's) that they often start feeling very poke-y, not "slow", but as in "penetrative". MtF's, on the other hand, typically do not want to penetrate any more. Of course, everyone's experience is different...but you should be careful in choosing to believe "oh that will/won't happen to me!" because there is simply no way of telling, except after a few months on hormones.
Also, one's sexual orientation (the desire to have sex and/or a relationship with someone of the same, or opposite, gender) has, in some cases, been known to change (but in other cases, it stays the same). It would be a bummer if you took HRT to get boobs, and then found that you want/need a man to satisfy your needs. Your spouse should be aware of this possibility, however slim it may be.
Please Also note that "man-boobs" and breasts are two distinctly different manifestations. You'll see what I mean if/when you get breasts...the look, the feel, the response of the body to stimulation...No comparison, imho.
Good luck with your journey!
Quote from: cros on June 16, 2013, 05:40:45 AM
I have heard some people reporting that taking female hormones does not interfere (much) with sexual potency as a male – and what about the she-male phenomenon? Others say it definitely kills Lord John stone dead, and good job too. It seems that yet others are able develop female breasts but still be able to function as a male sexually more or less indefinitely – is there a discussion string on ->-bleeped-<-Web or any other TG forums on this (if so, I haven't found it yet).
Obviously if I take female hormones, at whatever dosage, for long enough, I am going to get to the point of no return as regards having boobs, even if I stop the hormones. I think I am probably approaching that point fairly soon. But this doesn't worry me – I guess I am that far gone already in my transgender journey – neither does it worry my wife, who is delighted with my female breasts.
Can transsexuals have orgasm after hormone therapy
Yes you can orgasm after or during HRT although the experience has been quite different from before HRT for me. "Getting it up" is tougher to do but is still possible. There are chemical aids to that like the little blue pill. I know some non op trans girls that do that. Some trans girls have a bit of a mental block in how the act is done. They don't want to do it like a guy and half of the act is a mental one.
Hi
It seems to me that women experience a far more rewarding and complete orgasm than men – the lucky things – wow, would I like to experience what they experience, and have the full body sensations and internal glow going on for that long!
I might be more inclined to say I'd go for the full transition (that may still happen at some point in the future, okay, I can't rule it out.)
Thank you girls.
Quote from: cros on June 18, 2013, 03:49:39 AM
Hi
It seems to me that women experience a far more rewarding and complete orgasm than men – the lucky things – wow, would I like to experience what they experience, and have the full body sensations and internal glow going on for that long!
I might be more inclined to say I'd go for the full transition (that may still happen at some point in the future, okay, I can't rule it out.)
Thank you girls.
Honey whatever you do in life, never transition because you think the sex life is better.
I think this topic has gone as far as it needs.
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