Just aquick question does anyone else find themselves jealouse of pregnant women or is this something that is personal to me
Yes. When my wife was pregnant I told her I wish I could have carried the baby for her. I was serious.
And I keep on looking to see about mtf uterine transplant aberdeen university are about 5years away from trials if Iv had surgery by then my name will be the first on the list
Quote from: wardyjnr on June 12, 2013, 02:06:51 PM
And I keep on looking to see about mtf uterine transplant aberdeen university are about 5years away from trials if Iv had surgery by then my name will be the first on the list
Not if I get there first. >D
I wish I could. I really hate not being able to have kids.
Quote from: eh-lyssa on June 12, 2013, 02:03:47 PM
Yes. When my wife was pregnant I told her I wish I could have carried the baby for her. I was serious.
I said something similar once to a friend when she was worried if she'd ever be able to carry a baby.
i know i do. but since i can still have someone carry the baby for me and do the whole IVF thing i see it as ok. because at least i can keep my good looking body
Quote from: ZoeM on June 12, 2013, 02:14:06 PM
Not if I get there first. >D
Ok I'll settle for second on the list
Nope, I've never even had a desire to have kids...especially in a world like this one.
Sure I might adopt, but I will not willingly bring a child into this world.
I've often wondered what it might be like, and wished I could know what it was like, but plenty of cis women have done both those things without ever being pregnant. I know at least three who have no wish to have children at all, in fact they're glad that they haven't.
It's a curiosity for me. I already fathered a two year old so I don't have that need dragging me along.
That said it would be neat but I would caution you that anti rejection drugs do nasty things to the body and could affect the baby. It would be best if they figure out how to grow one for you.
If you are that game for it then go a head but be prepared for the consequences. Cis women have enough complications during pregnancy without worry about rejecting their own womb.
Personally if I have another I will probably adopt. I do love children and I see where this cold be a need. Best of luck to those who brave this.
I would love to. It would be great!!! Hormones have changed my ody but also my thinking: I was really born to be a wife and a mother.
Iv all ways been maternal so it is something I would really consider if it is posible in the future and as for the fact about anti rejection drugs they don't affect the baby
No, i think humans should top having kids in general. There is so many children out there who are orphaned that need homes. Also the state of the world doesn't really show such a bright future for our children right now, i kinda gave up on the idea of wanting to have children just to have one. I know a lot of people have the desire to have babies and that's perfectly fine but i guess i tend to look at the big picture the most.
Not jealous but envious, for sure, ever since high school.
It's interesting, when I was slightly younger and first coming to terms with being trans, I would have said no way would I want to get pregnant. As I've gotten a bit older and the start of transition nears I have often thought about how I wish I could get pregnant and how it saddens me that this is one thing I (at least for now until hopefully science catches up) will never get to experience. So here's to hoping someone figures it out!
From earliest childhood I just wanted to grow up and be a mommy. By 13 or 14 I figured out that just wasn't going to happen and that was BY FAR the most painful part of being TS. (Don't even mention fathering a child - the idea was just revolting!) When I transitioned at 24 most of my friends were between 20 and 30 and everybody was having babies! Sometimes it was hard to be around my pregnant friends without getting sad but sometimes I could share in their joy. I never did go to a baby shower though I got many invitations - I just KNEW I wouldn't be able to hold it together at a shower. In time my friends came to realize why I didn't go to showers and stopped sending me invitations. I loved being auntie to my friends babies but sometimes the babies got wet (tears). It was a relief when my friends had finished with their families but now, in my 60s, it is the next generation of babies that bring up such conflicted feelings, the mixture of joy and sorrow.
It was actually the birth of my niece that pushed me over the edge in my early 20s. My sister and I were very close through her pregnancy and I was unwittingly living vicariously her pregnancy with her. The first time I held my niece, I was overwhelmed by a tidal wave of maternal feelings (to the point of letting down milk!) and in all the time with my infant niece I knew that ALL of the normal maternal feelings were there in spades! That is when I knew that I had to have surgery or die.
No jealousy, just a profound feeling of loss!
Quote from: wardyjnr on June 12, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
Just aquick question does anyone else find themselves jealouse of pregnant women or is this something that is personal to me
Yes. It helps to remind myself that there are millons of cis women who have fertility or partnership issues and feel the same way.
I hope you ladies don't mind me butting in... but I thought you might find this interesting: the world's first womb transplant happened in 2000 in Saudi Arabia, but it was unsuccessful. Since then, various teams in the UK, USA, Turkey and Sweden have been working on getting it right. They're currently engaged in a race to achieve the world's first successful pregnancy with a transplanted uterus, and it may happen as early as next year.
The Turkish team in Akdeniz University recently managed to get a woman pregnant with a transplanted womb (sadly she miscarried, but work is ongoing): http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/en/?id=44 (http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/en/?id=44)
A British team at Imperial College London is hoping to start human trials next year on five women who were born without wombs; take a look at their 'News' section: http://www.wombtransplantuk.org/ (http://www.wombtransplantuk.org/)
The Swedish team is at Sahlgrenska University Hospital: http://www.sahlgrenska.se/sv/SU/Omraden/1/Verksamhetsomraden/Gynekologi-och-reproduktionsmedicin/Forskning-Research/Uterus-transplantation-project/ (http://www.sahlgrenska.se/sv/SU/Omraden/1/Verksamhetsomraden/Gynekologi-och-reproduktionsmedicin/Forskning-Research/Uterus-transplantation-project/)
A couple of teams in America (Indiana & New York, I believe) have also researched the subject.
So perhaps there is hope for the future.
Butting out now... ;)
Quote from: FTMDiaries on June 13, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
I hope you ladies don't mind me butting in... but I thought you might find this interesting: the world's first womb transplant happened in 2000 in Saudi Arabia, but it was unsuccessful. Since then, various teams in the UK, USA, Turkey and Sweden have been working on getting it right. They're currently engaged in a race to achieve the world's first successful pregnancy with a transplanted uterus, and it may happen as early as next year.
The Turkish team in Akdeniz University recently managed to get a woman pregnant with a transplanted womb (sadly she miscarried, but work is ongoing): http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/en/?id=44 (http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/en/?id=44)
A British team at Imperial College London is hoping to start human trials next year on five women who were born without wombs; take a look at their 'News' section: http://www.wombtransplantuk.org/ (http://www.wombtransplantuk.org/)
The Swedish team is at Sahlgrenska University Hospital: http://www.sahlgrenska.se/sv/SU/Omraden/1/Verksamhetsomraden/Gynekologi-och-reproduktionsmedicin/Forskning-Research/Uterus-transplantation-project/ (http://www.sahlgrenska.se/sv/SU/Omraden/1/Verksamhetsomraden/Gynekologi-och-reproduktionsmedicin/Forskning-Research/Uterus-transplantation-project/)
A couple of teams in America (Indiana & New York, I believe) have also researched the subject.
So perhaps there is hope for the future.
Butting out now... ;)
The world's first womb transplant happened in 1931. It resulted in organ failure and death.
actually there has already been a baby born from a transplanted uterus in sweeden
it was transplanted from mother to daughter and gave birth to a grand daughter how cute is that
Quote from: ZoeM on June 13, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
The world's first womb transplant happened in 1931. It resulted in organ failure and death.
OK then, how's about 'the world's first womb transplant that didn't result in the patient's death'? ;)
Quote from: wardyjnr on June 13, 2013, 10:47:37 AM
actually there has already been a baby born from a transplanted uterus in sweeden
it was transplanted from mother to daughter and gave birth to a grand daughter how cute is that
I'd heard of that transplant, but not of any birth as I understand the transplant only happened last September. But if it's true, how awesome! :)
Quote from: FTMDiaries on June 13, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
I hope you ladies don't mind me butting in... but I thought you might find this interesting: the world's first womb transplant happened in 2000 in Saudi Arabia, but it was unsuccessful. Since then, various teams in the UK, USA, Turkey and Sweden have been working on getting it right. They're currently engaged in a race to achieve the world's first successful pregnancy with a transplanted uterus, and it may happen as early as next year.
The Turkish team in Akdeniz University recently managed to get a woman pregnant with a transplanted womb (sadly she miscarried, but work is ongoing): http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/en/?id=44 (http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/en/?id=44)
A British team at Imperial College London is hoping to start human trials next year on five women who were born without wombs; take a look at their 'News' section: http://www.wombtransplantuk.org/ (http://www.wombtransplantuk.org/)
The Swedish team is at Sahlgrenska University Hospital: http://www.sahlgrenska.se/sv/SU/Omraden/1/Verksamhetsomraden/Gynekologi-och-reproduktionsmedicin/Forskning-Research/Uterus-transplantation-project/ (http://www.sahlgrenska.se/sv/SU/Omraden/1/Verksamhetsomraden/Gynekologi-och-reproduktionsmedicin/Forskning-Research/Uterus-transplantation-project/)
A couple of teams in America (Indiana & New York, I believe) have also researched the subject.
So perhaps there is hope for the future.
Butting out now... ;) I might be wrong but im going to assume that transplanting a uterus into a genetically male body will be much harder, if not impossible. Women, even the one's without a uterus still have the proper bodies for it. I just can't imagine how that would come about, to transplant one into a genetically male body with male dna? intersex maybe would be different, but male? (smh)
YES! OMG.... :/
Being able to be seen as their mother is one of my biggest drives for this... For my son and daughter.
I thought Even if I am Single IDC as long as I have my babys I will Be happy and Lived a Good enough Life.
It kills me...
Quote from: Northern Jane on June 13, 2013, 05:02:52 AM
...BY FAR the most painful part of being TS.
I know what you mean. I cried a lot of tears in high school because I could never be pregnant.
Quote from: Northern Jane on June 13, 2013, 05:02:52 AM
By 13 or 14 I figured out that just wasn't going to happen and that was BY FAR the most painful part of being TS. (Don't even mention fathering a child - the idea was just revolting!) I never did go to a baby shower though I got many invitations - I just KNEW I wouldn't be able to hold it together at a shower.
Entirely. Everything else can be cured with with time, if a long time. Not this. I thought until around 14 'the surgery' would simply give me all the parts I needed, childbirth would be possible. I was naive, innocent, and perhaps in denial of the sad reality of that. Possibly because I had a sympathy pregnancy before, at age 10, complete with morning sickness, food rejection, you name it. Not the same at all though, considering I got no child, no life given out at the end of that tunnel, whether tunnel means the biological tunnel, or tunnel stands for experience, like the idiomatic 'light at the end of the tunnel.' Also, fathering a kid? I'd DIE, I would DIE before I did that, idea makes my face turn a Picasso green.
I still feel this deep, deep pain a lot of times, even now. It's like this hollow area, and it hurts, like someone just yanked my uterus out of my body, where it was supposed to be. I mourn for the area, quite a lot. Like now. I'm almost in tears. I consider my life nearly worthless because of it. It's horrible phantom pains, and I get them from my vagina, too. I'm so sad right now.
Also, for how bad it gets, I probably shouldn't have entered this thread, since this topic makes me that sad and makes me want to cry every time. I'm 21. I just don't know HOW I'm going to deal with this the rest of my life, without honestly losing it. I'm sure I'll get the baby shower invites as well with time, sigh. I mean, looking at this one site, it mentions a International Women's Day thread. The topic was about what they loved about being women. Virtually ALL of them said birthing and raising kids. Well, guess what? With this crappy body, which is better off dead for it, not an option. NEVER! NEVER! It pains me like a sword slowly cutting through my heart, the area just below my stomach, and my soul.
My mother was wrong. I will never make a good mother. Because....I fail, through no fault of my own. Because this life sucks. Because everything, I hate it. I hate me. I could be told to adopt. If I live long enough for that, sure, but, your start bond isn't quite the same, you know? I also hear a lot how lots of natal women can't have kids. That's true. But, in turn, they don't have this stupid transsexual medical history, the costs involved in such, etc. I think that that's important to note. I'm not minimizing that pain, because goodness knows it is awful.
Can we get a trigger warning on this thread? Thanks. Because I'm in a REALLY bad place now because of this. So sad about my future... :'(
Yeah... it's just admittedly one of the sucky things about being TG.
I always wanted to have kids. That was one of my life-long dreams that I was counting on to give me purpose. But now, well, I'm pretty much getting close to the point of sterility, so that's going out the window, and it is admittedly a VERY big sacrifice to make for the sake of being happy with my own body.
I'm seriously jealous every time I see it... and also so jealous of all of my female elementary-school friends on Facebook who are constantly posting pictures of their kids.
Sigh...
I still hope to adopt one day, but it's still just not the same.
Quote from: Jesstrogen on June 13, 2013, 11:18:52 PM
Entirely. Everything else can be cured with with time, if a long time. Not this. I thought until around 14 'the surgery' would simply give me all the parts I needed, childbirth would be possible. I was naive, innocent, and perhaps in denial of the sad reality of that. Possibly because I had a sympathy pregnancy before, at age 10, complete with morning sickness, food rejection, you name it. Not the same at all though, considering I got no child, no life given out at the end of that tunnel, whether tunnel means the biological tunnel, or tunnel stands for experience, like the idiomatic 'light at the end of the tunnel.' Also, fathering a kid? I'd DIE, I would DIE before I did that, idea makes my face turn a Picasso green.
I still feel this deep, deep pain a lot of times, even now. It's like this hollow area, and it hurts, like someone just yanked my uterus out of my body, where it was supposed to be. I mourn for the area, quite a lot. Like now. I'm almost in tears. I consider my life nearly worthless because of it. It's horrible phantom pains, and I get them from my vagina, too. I'm so sad right now.
Also, for how bad it gets, I probably shouldn't have entered this thread, since this topic makes me that sad and makes me want to cry every time. I'm 21. I just don't know HOW I'm going to deal with this the rest of my life, without honestly losing it. I'm sure I'll get the baby shower invites as well with time, sigh. I mean, looking at this one site, it mentions a International Women's Day thread. The topic was about what they loved about being women. Virtually ALL of them said birthing and raising kids. Well, guess what? With this crappy body, which is better off dead for it, not an option. NEVER! NEVER! It pains me like a sword slowly cutting through my heart, the area just below my stomach, and my soul.
My mother was wrong. I will never make a good mother. Because....I fail, through no fault of my own. Because this life sucks. Because everything, I hate it. I hate me. I could be told to adopt. If I live long enough for that, sure, but, your start bond isn't quite the same, you know? I also hear a lot how lots of natal women can't have kids. That's true. But, in turn, they don't have this stupid transsexual medical history, the costs involved in such, etc. I think that that's important to note. I'm not minimizing that pain, because goodness knows it is awful.
Can we get a trigger warning on this thread? Thanks. Because I'm in a REALLY bad place now because of this. So sad about my future... :'(
Hi,
I really feel your pain, I know how you feel: when I was young and fantasizing about living my life as the woman that I was (fantasizing because back then transsexualism and transitioning were not really an option that the general public knew about!!!), among all the other fears, like my feet are too big, etc. was the fact that no matter what, I would never be complete, I would never be going to be able to be a mother. I would never have a real childhood and adolescence and I would never get my period.
That said, sometimes it is also time to count one's blessings: you are of the generation who has access to a huge amount of info, a generation who is very well aware of what transsexualism is. Back in my day, I had no clue about what I was. All messages out there is that I was gay, and I was probably going to end up being a prostitute with no dignity and no place to call my own. There was no internet, and there was no exposure to transsexualism through the media, especially TV, like there is today. I was, we were, totally alone, confused, powerless. If I had started transitioning early on in my life, like most this day and age do, I would be oh so beautiful today, whereas I am just passable. On top of that I will NEVER EVER be a young woman, EVER!!!! How do you think that feels?
What I am trying to say is that although I do understand and share your pain, I would also like to point out how much worse it is for others. I would give 90% of the money I have had, I have and will ever have in order to exchange adolescence and youth with you!!!'
Also, many women cannot get pregnant, not being able to get pregnant does not make you any less of a woman. Adoption is a great option: even though you do not carry this child around for 9 months, the bond that you feel is immediate and within no time flat the fact that you personally did not give birth to the child becomes totally irrelevant! Think about it. Think about all those people, me included, who see themselves as the parents of their cats and dogs!!! I mean, if we can look at little furry things and feel like parents, imagine then the feeling you get while staring in the loving, open-hearted eyes of a child!!! On top of that, you, for that child, will be like a winning lottery number!!! Making others happy and serving others is more rewarding than making oneself happy.
All the best to you beautiful, young woman,
Andrea
I get a little jealous... i would love to feel what its like to be pregnant..
the hormones will wire us to be broody like g-girls..
If I could get a uterus tranplant, I would.. it would make me more female..
Quote from: noleen111 on June 14, 2013, 01:58:43 PM....the hormones will wire us to be broody like g-girls......
For another reason, I went through 6 months of a hormonal pregnancy starting late last summer - estrogen and progesterone to mimic mid-term pregnancy values. To my amazement, I experienced ALL 12 of the 'symptoms of pregnancy' that are possible without a fetus being present. I certainly didn't expect it. It was a WILD RIDE! LOL! Not all of it was fun.
Quote from: Northern Jane on June 14, 2013, 04:28:41 PM
For another reason, I went through 6 months of a hormonal pregnancy starting late last summer - estrogen and progesterone to mimic mid-term pregnancy values. To my amazement, I experienced ALL 12 of the 'symptoms of pregnancy' that are possible without a fetus being present. I certainly didn't expect it. It was a WILD RIDE! LOL! Not all of it was fun.
only thing is your missing child birth
iv heard it is the best thing in the world
Quote from: Northern Jane on June 14, 2013, 04:28:41 PM
For another reason, I went through 6 months of a hormonal pregnancy starting late last summer - estrogen and progesterone to mimic mid-term pregnancy values. To my amazement, I experienced ALL 12 of the 'symptoms of pregnancy' that are possible without a fetus being present. I certainly didn't expect it. It was a WILD RIDE! LOL! Not all of it was fun.
Now, I am curious, what are the12 symptoms?
Greetings,
Andrea
Sorry but I don't have the list any more. An Internet search will turn up various lists.
It was "an experience" but not one I would recommend. I had to quit the protocol 5 months in because of depression (a side effect of elevated progesterone levels), had to "take a break" for a few weeks to let things stabilize.
Quote from: wardyjnr on June 14, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
only thing is your missing child birth
iv heard it is the best thing in the world
From the women I have talked to (and there have been many!) the pain of childbirth is beyond that of any other human experience. If it were not for ending up with a baby, I don't think anyone in their right mind would go through it voluntarily!
Also for me, and I don't mean to sound like I'm sexualizing, because I'm not, but having a heterosexual (as a woman) orientation, I wish that I could make love with a man I'm in love with and have that result in a child. What I mean is that the lack of ability to carry a child of course sucks, but for me that emotional connection of a woman and a man being able to physically produce a child is difficult as well.
I long to be pregnant and experience all the wonderful symptoms body changes doctor visits pampering etc. Hugs Shannon. I could write so much about this. My feelings emotions
I wish I could. I really hate not being able to have kids.
Well jealous a little but then I remember the periods the pain and possible death and I go well meh adoption is more helpful anyways.
Btw if they do get us wombs count me out because 100% chance we arent built to survive labour/birth so well babies arent worth my life.
My opinion has more than slightly changed now that I am more than a month or two out of the closet and on hormones.
I remember how hard it was on my wife when she was pregnant with our son. The sleepless nights, the constant feeling of needing to pee, the swelling and stretch marks, the flat sore feet, and the emotional roller coaster.... Then I remember how much that she felt it was worth it and how much we both love our son.
I'd have to say if I remarry and my partner wants a child and it was possible I would carry it. I would carry the child and love every minute of it.
As for not being built to give birth, sillier things have been discussed. If a 70 year old woman can do it so can you. ;)
I have always envied women to some degree for this. At least I am curious about it, even as a kid. I wonder if that is normal. But I do not expect to give birth ever. That and parenthood is not a walk in the park. If science could make it safe for the child and mother, I would maybe consider it. But I also expect to be too old for it when this would become available somehow. Enter the scifi world.