So lately I have been wondering what happens when you detransition? I have heard opposing viewpoints on breast growth. Some people say that it completely reverses. Others say it is the one thing that doesn't reverse. But what about other changes like facial fat redistribution? Do you completely go back to where you were before? maybe better lol
Note: I'm not thinking of detransition currently, but if at the year mark I don't feel like I pass and HRT has had ample time to work I don't see the point in continuing.
I know this is kind of a taboo subject but nevertheless an important one as I can't be the only person who feels this way. Heck, lately I feel like I should start dressing male again as people prob laugh at me under their breath and I am just too stupid to notice. Maybe once I move in with my BF these feelings will go away.
It's not a taboo subject, some folks just like to think it is. Here are the facts gathered by the Wiki Staff: https://www.susans.org/wiki/Detransitioning (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Detransitioning)
Hugs, Devlyn
Well some of the changes go away. The moobs might shrink some and your skin isn't as soft anymore. But I'm guessing if your only on them for a year I would think things can change back alot. Be sure of it before you do it or don't do it. Once you start having surgeries it's frustratingly hard to go back. And after srs going back is impossible
Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 23, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
So lately I have been wondering what happens when you detransition? I have heard opposing viewpoints on breast growth. Some people say that it completely reverses. Others say it is the one thing that doesn't reverse. But what about other changes like facial fat redistribution? Do you completely go back to where you were before? maybe better lol
Note: I'm not thinking of detransition currently, but if at the year mark I don't feel like I pass and HRT has had ample time to work I don't see the point in continuing.
I know this is kind of a taboo subject but nevertheless an important one as I can't be the only person who feels this way. Heck, lately I feel like I should start dressing male again as people prob laugh at me under their breath and I am just too stupid to notice. Maybe once I move in with my BF these feelings will go away.
Umm, from what I've HEARD everything up to about 6-12 months in should fully reverse. After that, some effects are going to be permanent.
I know what you're going through though. There was a period where I became severely depressed. I thought I would never pass and that the only reason people "went along with it" is because they pitied me. I thought everyone must laugh when I leave the room. The whole time my girlfriend was telling me I was crazy and just overthinking everything. This was the truth... Learning to ignore some of these thoughts is very important. I slowly but surely did and I feel a million times better.
Also, how far into HRT are you? It wasn't until about 8 months in that I started feeling good about passing.
I've been taking hormones for four months. I already do pass apparently as everyone refers to me as a girl and if I'm with my BF then as his girlfriend. I mean the whole reason I have a BF is because he thought I was this pleasant looking, cute girl. I told him I was trans. IDK, I am not thinking of detransitioning right now but if this is all I get I will not be a happy customer. Maybe I'm too hard on myself. I've been very fragile lately. Ugh.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 23, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
I've been taking hormones for four months. I already do pass apparently as everyone refers to me as a girl and if I'm with my BF then as his girlfriend. I mean the whole reason I have a BF is because he thought I was this pleasant looking, cute girl. I told him I was trans. IDK, I am not thinking of detransitioning right now but if this is all I get I will not be a happy customer. Maybe I'm too hard on myself. I've been very fragile lately. Ugh.
4 months? And passing? You're very fortunate. I'm sure you'll feel better!
Quote from: Michelle S. on June 23, 2013, 06:18:04 PM
4 months? And passing? You're very fortunate. I'm sure you'll feel better!
Yeah I feel like I'm whining and ungrateful and stupid. OTOH, I don't think I pass all the time. I do look pretty feminine, I think, sometimes, but IDK. Maybe I'm hormonal or need reassurance or something or I miss my BF. IDK.
Then OTOH if I am so worried about not changing then why I am worried about changing back? Ugh. I actually don't want to detranstion at all but I don't want to be stuck in some weird in-between stage forever either if that makes sense.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 23, 2013, 06:30:36 PM
Yeah I feel like I'm whining and ungrateful and stupid. OTOH, I don't think I pass all the time. I do look pretty feminine, I think, sometimes, but IDK. Maybe I'm hormonal or need reassurance or something or I miss my BF. IDK.
Then OTOH if I am so worried about not changing then why I am worried about changing back? Ugh. I actually don't want to detranstion at all but I don't want to be stuck in some weird in-between stage forever either if that makes sense.
If you don't want to be a in between and your sure you want to transition then just get srs , ffs, and a BA at some point
Quote from: Tristan on June 23, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
If you don't want to be a in between and your sure you want to transition then just get srs , ffs, and a BA at some point
Well I plan on getting SRS and I def don't need BA but yeah I would def get FFS if I could afford it. I could use a smaller, round chin and a decreased hairline and an upturned nose. The nose more then anything else though I have seen a lot of women with noses not unlike my own. But unless I win the lottery I won't be able to afford both. I can't afford either now and my BF said we would have to become Bonnie and Clyde to do it which sounds sexy in a dirty romantic sort of way.
The main thing I'm worried about if I am making a horrible mistake is the boobs. They're getting sooooo big. I didn't think this was possible. And all I wanted was my face to change. Maybe I don't even need FFS and now I'm starting to feel silly for posting this.
You'd think I'd feel better now that I have everything I want (a BF) but maybe it's making everything very real. Don't get me wrong when I think about it it makes me ecstatic.
I'm glad your feeling better about everything and have a idea of what you want to do and when you want to do it . Seems like this post did you some good then :)
Go ahead with whatever you need to do. And as far as the boobs go sounds like Mother Nature really likes you girl, just like that nice boyfriend of yours ;)
Maybe I should just accept I am MAAB and because of that I'll always look somewhat manly and some things just are. Thanks for trying to help Tristan. I really, really appreciate it. I'll be okay.
No idea what that means mamma but your welcome. And I'm sure your going to make a fine woman :)
Oh it just means I should accept I'll never look like Rose Byrne lol coincidentally, people keep calling me mama! I was walking down the street the other day and this girl said "you got a cigarette, little mama?" and then someone else called me mama. I actually kinda like it. It does make me feel better for some strange reason! i completely forgot about that.
You will return to the state that made you
Transition the first time...
Remember those feelings??
I did a de transition...years ago....thought it was all good.
With in a year ibararted to drink heavy...
One night ate 20 percocettes 20 valuim and drank a
26 of vodka fast. .
Took three days for the nurses to wake me up...they were very
Mad at me.
And always feelings of sadness ...for everyr ...until ..I
Retransition.....
Was the worjst thing that ever happened to me
Quote from: xchristine on June 23, 2013, 08:08:18 PM
You will return to the state that made you
Transition the first time...
Remember those feelings??
I did a de transition...years ago....thought it was all good.
With in a year ibararted to drink heavy...
One night ate 20 percocettes 20 valuim and drank a
26 of vodka fast. .
Took three days for the nurses to wake me up...they were very
Mad at me.
And always feelings of sadness ...for everyr ...until ..I
Retransition.....
Was the worjst thing that ever happened to me
That's a really good point. I am not going to detransition. I just worry about the future too much and if I will find a better job and stuff like that. Though I guess dating isn't as much a worry. It was though.
I totally understand how you feel Joanna. There is so much more to transitioning than just passing, but it's important to a lot of us. I can't imagine continuing looking like I do forever. Then again, I guess that's the whole point of starting the whole transition process. So you are not alone in feeling the way you do. Please realize that you have only been on hormones for a short period. At your time frame, the changes are just starting. You won't be stuck forever in the in-between stages. Unfortunately, you will have to go through that period, but it will end at some point. And from the sound of it all, it's not much of an in between period anyway.
Quote from: xchristine on June 23, 2013, 08:08:18 PM
You will return to the state that made you
Transition the first time...
Remember those feelings??
I did a de transition...years ago....thought it was all good.
With in a year ibararted to drink heavy...
One night ate 20 percocettes 20 valuim and drank a
26 of vodka fast. .
Took three days for the nurses to wake me up...they were very
Mad at me.
And always feelings of sadness ...for everyr ...until ..I
Retransition.....
Was the worjst thing that ever happened to me
Christine, that sounds terrible. I'm glad you made it through and are here to share your tale.
Quote from: learningtolive on June 23, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
And from the sound of it all, it's not much of an in between period anyway.
The in-between period is in my head. I only think I pass in my reflection where I think I look really feminine for some reason. And there is really no difference between a reflection and a picture. The thing is if I wasn't changing then nobody would notice and everyone I know now thinks I am a transsexual and this is based purely on facial looks. I'm obssessed with it this weekend and usually I'm good. It's not like I get sir'd and I have tried and it didn't work. So I don't know what my deal is because I should be ecstatic. I look like a girl, I sound like a girl, I have a BF. What else could I want? I mean other then to look like Rose Byrne lol
Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 23, 2013, 09:18:04 PM
The in-between period is in my head. I only think I pass in my reflection where I think I look really feminine for some reason. And there is really no difference between a reflection and a picture. The thing is if I wasn't changing then nobody would notice and everyone I know now thinks I am a transsexual and this is based purely on facial looks. I'm obssessed with it this weekend and usually I'm good. It's not like I get sir'd and I have tried and it didn't work. So I don't know what my deal is because I should be ecstatic. I look like a girl, I sound like a girl, I have a BF. What else could I want? I mean other then to look like Rose Byrne lol
We all have high, often unrealistic, expectations of ourselves. And when we don't meet them we beat ourselves up about it. It's normal.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 23, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
So lately I have been wondering what happens when you detransition? I have heard opposing viewpoints on breast growth. Some people say that it completely reverses. Others say it is the one thing that doesn't reverse. But what about other changes like facial fat redistribution? Do you completely go back to where you were before? maybe better lol
Note: I'm not thinking of detransition currently, but if at the year mark I don't feel like I pass and HRT has had ample time to work I don't see the point in continuing.
I know this is kind of a taboo subject but nevertheless an important one as I can't be the only person who feels this way. Heck, lately I feel like I should start dressing male again as people prob laugh at me under their breath and I am just too stupid to notice. Maybe once I move in with my BF these feelings will go away.
Boobs can take years. It does not "completely" reverse, if you had any glandular tissue growth. Adipose tissue can diminish, because, off hormones you are not depositing fat in the female pattern.
How would you know if you had glandular tissue growth? That sounds exciting! But I'm guessing the face is all adipose fat but it still feels like given enough time even that wouldn't reverse. My curiousity is purely academic. I'm not contemplating stopping nor do I see myself being able to because I love the changes too, too much.
You should be able to feel the glandular tissue. It will be the lump under the areola. Adipose tissue is a type of fat.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog.rdrugsetc.com%2Fresource%2Fimages%2Fbreast_credit.jpg&hash=c2cdd816ef68f885cf2bf7c1b1ac66d3a970d6b4)
Well i have the that lump under my areola. It's about the size of a walnut. I think. I lose track of it because my boob gets too big about an inch away from the areola. I guess that is the adipose tissue. Does the areola grow as that lump grows. Will the lump grow more. I hope so.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 24, 2013, 02:32:15 AM
Well i have the that lump under my areola. It's about the size of a walnut. I think. I lose track of it because my boob gets too big about an inch away from the areola. I guess that is the adipose tissue. Does the areola grow as that lump grows. Will the lump grow more. I hope so.
There are stages of development called the tanner stages:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.merckmanuals.com%2Fmedia%2Fprofessional%2Ffigures%2FGYN_tanner_stages_breast.gif&hash=20363c2181e49c24b798d553fd730e521e72b942)
• Stage I (Preadolescent) - Only the papilla is elevated above
the level of the chest wall.
• Stage II - (Breast Budding) - Elevation of the breasts and
papillae may occur as small mounds along with some
increased diameter of the areolae.
• Stage III - The breasts and areolae continue to enlarge,
although they show no separation of contour.
• Stage IV - The areolae and papillae elevate above the level
of the breasts and form secondary mounds with further
development of the overall breast tissue.
• Stage V - Mature female breasts have developed. The
papillae may extend slightly above the contour of the
breasts as the result of the recession of the aerolae.
Sounds to me like you're at stage 2. I'm about 3, 9 months in now. It takes a bit.
Life suddenly starts to suck again?
Quote from: Michelle S. on June 24, 2013, 06:03:29 AM
There are stages of development called the tanner stages:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.merckmanuals.com%2Fmedia%2Fprofessional%2Ffigures%2FGYN_tanner_stages_breast.gif&hash=20363c2181e49c24b798d553fd730e521e72b942)
• Stage I (Preadolescent) - Only the papilla is elevated above
the level of the chest wall.
• Stage II - (Breast Budding) - Elevation of the breasts and
papillae may occur as small mounds along with some
increased diameter of the areolae.
• Stage III - The breasts and areolae continue to enlarge,
although they show no separation of contour.
• Stage IV - The areolae and papillae elevate above the level
of the breasts and form secondary mounds with further
development of the overall breast tissue.
• Stage V - Mature female breasts have developed. The
papillae may extend slightly above the contour of the
breasts as the result of the recession of the aerolae.
Sounds to me like you're at stage 2. I'm about 3, 9 months in now. It takes a bit.
I think I'm 3 going on 4. But it is really hard to tell because I had rather severe gyno pre-HRT. It seems like the areola are starting to ascend away from the breats and create a secondary mound. But i'm really not sure. From the pics, I resemble stage 3. If my nipples were bigger, it would be 4. They are starting to point upwards. I'm a 34B but am technically a C cup. Unless you go by the 1920s system of breast measurement then I technically have negative breasts, which is ridiculous.
What I want to happen is to get more development on the inside. I have good side and bottom boob but they would be almost perfect if they had more inside. I have pretty okay cleavage when I wear a bra without using tape or anything. I'm pretty lucky in this instance.
Joanna Dark, "I don't want to be stuck in some weird in-between stage forever."
That is my big fear. I, quite appropriately I think, compare it to trying to gamble your way out of a gambling debt. I will be starting the magic elastoplast soon (Dear god Mr Postman, have you forgotten where I live?) and here is my fear. After several weeks I start to get breast growth but no other changes. I continue for another couple of months, breast growth continues but nothing else. Now already I'm thinking, do I go on and hope my face starts to feminize knowing that breasts are rapidly approaching the "point" of no return. So I keep going and the breasts keep growing, but nothing else changes, and just like the gambler on and on I go; this time my luck will change, one more throw of the dice and another and another..................
Now let me be clear. Breast growth would not be problem, but just breast growth?I am now faced with two options. For ever be a man with boobs....or for ever be a man with big boobs.
Sentience: How long have you been on HRT? And yes that is my sentiment precisely. I don't want to have these big boobs and forever look andro but maybe i am being too dramatic. I do pass. I need too much reassurance. ugh.
^ I have yet to start. A letter is scheduled to pop through the letterbox which I take to my doctor, she writes a prescription and I go next door to the pharmacist who gives me oestrogen patches and I slap one one my butt.....................I will keep you and everyone else updated.
My one regret is that I am writing a book (murder/humour) but I have only written one chapter and the rest is skeletal; plot character building etc. I wish I had written more to check whether the style and presentation changed as oestrogren started to weave it's magic in my neurons.
I'm a professional writer/journalist/magazine editor and I haven't found that my writing has changed in any way. Then again your writing fiction and my stuff is all rooted in the who, what, how, when and why.