Susan's Place Transgender Resources

This post I am making so that anyone can put any statistics they find in an area.

First one I will put is pretty easy to get.

How many identified androgynes are at Susan's?

Easiest way I can get that is from the susan's groups. Of course there are probably more, but this will just show those that have been identified. You can be added or removed from this list also, just send me a pm.


Approximately %10 or 1 out of 10

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MTF Transsexual   258    %46.65
Crossdresser        142     %25.68
Androgyne           55       %9.95
FTM Transsexual   44       %7.96
Post-op              29        %5.24
Non-TG               17       %3.07
Intersexual           8        %1.44




Total = 553 Identified Members

Another questionaire from the NCLR taken in the San Francisco Area had these results off 155 transgender persons participating in public services. This shows from 10 to 20ish percent in San Francisco.

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From http://nclrights.org/publications/transrealities0803.htm
b. Which, if any, of the following terms have you used to describe yourself? (please check all that
apply)
Response Percentage Response Percentage
Transsexual 50%                                             Effeminate male 07%
MTF 32%                                                       Cross-dresser 07%
FTM 28%                                                       Masculine female 06%
Gender queer/gender variant 21%                        Drag Queen/King 05%
3rd gender 10%                                               Other 05%
I haven't used any of these terms to
describe myself
10%

While Androgyne is not an option, several of the categories might include androgynes, which shows a very high percentage in San Francisco possibly.


From a site of David Bowie fans http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Register/surveyres.html

QuoteTeenage Wildlife Survey Results
Total surveys: 16885

Gender Statistics
Male 8124 
Female 6101 
Androgynous 986 
No Answer 1672 

Age/Sex Distribution Table
Gender   
                    Male     Female  Androgynous   No Answer Total
Age Under 18  1004     1886            234        40           3164
      18-25      2963     2274            418        57           5712
      26-35      2247     1068            133        29           3477
      36-45      1433     403              43         16           1895
      46-55      172       71               10         3             256
      56-65      12         9                2           1             24
   Over 65       26        20               36         3             85
No Answer      267       370             110       1523         2270
  Total           8124     6101            986       1672         16883

The first group of statistics is true, about 10% of the members here identify as Androgyne.

In the second group of stats, don't make the mistake of overlooking an important category choice. "Third Gender" is another name for Androgyne. The terms are synonymous. Again, 10% of the people surveyed in that Transgender group identify as Androgyne.

The third set of statistics is a red herring. It's a questionnaire for David Bowie fans which asks if they are 'androgynous'. Anyone can be androgynous. Androgyne and 'androgynous' are not the same thing. Most people don't understand the difference between sex and gender. Even fewer people understand the difference between 'androgynous' (looks) and Androgyne (identity). There is a BIG difference in how someone looks and their gender identity - just ask any Transsexual! This website is devoted to helping Transgender individuals with gender identity issues. Not that glam rock fans wouldn't be welcome here, but I really don't think very many people in David Bowie's fan club would be interested in this website, or in any of us. That's okay, I have no interest in glam rock fan club members either. :icon_rolleyes:

-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:

Purpose of this post is to find any kind of stats related. I have never seen any approximate or remote number of androgynes or even androgynous data listed on the net in any serious manor in reading about such subjects. This at leasts tries to find some related data and bring some together. I have seen estimates of total CD/TV/TS/IS/and even a few TG estimates.

I put it in that order since these three I found, the first being most relavent, the second less, and the third the least, priority wise. If anyone else finds anything, please post it.

QuoteThis website is devoted to helping Transgender individuals with gender identity issues.

Only part of this site is about gender identity. Not just gender identity here at susan's , also ->-bleeped-<-s and crossdressers, as well as intersexed (mixed biology despite gender identity), and even social psychological gender crossers. Also SOs. Gender Identity isnt always the focus at these boards. Even cross gender behavior.

The first stats have changed through the last year. Going from zero, two years ago, since the section was unorganized and mixed with the other TG categorizes, to the current number. The number was unkown, though there were members that could have been in the section had there been one in existence.

I included from the 2nd stats Third gender was bolded, so there was no mistake in overlooking them. Problem with the 2nd poll is people answered multiple options. Hence the 10 to 20, Its unkown the actual number. That poll wasnt made to be exact. However being one of the only polls I could find right off the bat, and relative, deserves being shown.

The third I did stat the source from David Bowie fans. At a minimum, one can guess it at least means an androgynous cross gender dressing person or mixed interdressing, which still falls into the realm of this site which has relation (even if distant) to crossdressers/->-bleeped-<-s. Androgynous crossdressing included. Though one can also assume non polar gender identity members are present in some form or another.

QuoteNot that glam rock fans wouldn't be welcome here, but I really don't think very many people in David Bowie's fan club would be interested in this website, or in any of us.

Specifics would have to be known about the individual people, not broad generalities, assumptions, and making an archetype of all david bowie fan as being just a cisgendered glam rocker.  I have no fear however in the stat. I know the chance that such person that is not transgender visiting this site is almost zero. And that it harms no one in any way that I can think of.

I dont include all those numbers as transgendered androgynes, nor assume so. I only post what was stated. I didnt comment on the david bowie fan club stats. If I can find statistics of how many david bowie fans are TV/CD/AG/IS/TS I will also add it here.

Though Keeping with the range of Susan's: cd/tv/ag/so/ts those stats also deserve mention and anywhere inbetween.


Here is another Poll

QuoteM2F  115 (60.5%)
F2M  19 (10%)
CD  22 (11.6%)
Not Sure  9 (4.7%)
Intersexed  3 (1.6%)
M-visiting friend or SO  0 (0%)
F-visiting friend or SO  5 (2.6%)
Androgyne  16 (8.4%)
Admirer  1 (0.5%)
Total 135 votes

From poll at https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,2290.0.html
Like other polls, ones in bold worth considering.

Another Poll with data worth looking at from https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,7211.0.html

QuoteWhat type of Androgyne are you?
Agender (neither) , Neutrois  5 (12.8%)
Bigender (both separate)  9 (23.1%)
Intergender (both merged), Interdresser, Mixed Gender  11 (28.2%)
Fluid (can change)  2 (5.1%)
Third Gender (outside all gender)  2 (5.1%)
I am my own Gender.   4 (10.3%)
I dont want to be boxed in by labels.  3 (7.7%)
No choice at this time, Undecided  2 (5.1%)
None of the above (I will make a post explaining why)  1 (2.6%)

From a Survey results at http://www.umass.edu/stonewall/uploads/listWidget/9002/Understanding%20Transgender%20Lives.pdf

Quote3,509 individuals accessed the survey and 3,474 respondents completed the survey.

Gender Identity
Respondents were given the option of identifying their gender identity as male, female,
transgender, or other. Thirty-eight percent (n = 1313) of respondents described their
gender identity as female, 35% (n = 1211) as transgender, and less than 20% (n = 673) as
male. Among the people who identified as transgender, the most common descriptions
were "male to female," "crossdresser," "female to male," "genderqueer," and
"->-bleeped-<-." Those respondents who marked "other" most often identified as
"genderqueer," "crossdresser," "androgynous," or "unsure."

Gender Expression
Respondents were asked how they express their gender. Forty percent (n = 1380) express
themselves as female, 26% (n = 888) express themselves as male, and 25% (n = 848)
express themselves as transgender. Nine percent selected "other," and most often
expressed as "ambiguous," "androgynous," "bigender," "both female and male," "butch,"
"crossdresser," "fluid," "genderqueer," and "varies."

...

The 301 email interviewees identified their gender as follows: 55% described themselves as
women with trans or non-female pasts, trans women, or MTFs; 13% were men with trans or nonmale
pasts, trans men, or FTMs; 22% called themselves crossdressers, part-time girls, or t-girls; 8%
identified using non-binary gender terms, such as transgender, genderqueer, bigendered, or
androgyne; and 1% were intersex.

Quote7. How do you identify gender-wise?



   Response Percent Response Total
   Trans
  44.3% 125
   Transgender
  46.8% 132
   Transsexual
  22.7% 64
   Pre-op Transsexual
  19.1% 54
   Post-op Transsexual
  4.3% 12
   Non-op Transsexual 
  3.5% 10
   Transmasculine
  8.9% 25
   Transfeminine
  3.5% 10
   Cross-dresser
  10.3% 29
   Genderqueer
  40.4% 114
   Intersex
  4.6% 13
   FTM
  37.2% 105
   MTF
  17.7% 50
   MTM
  1.1% 3
   FTF
  0.7% 2
  Other (please specify)
  26.6% 75
Total Respondents   282
(skipped this question)   18

From survey http://www.trans-academics.org/TransEnoughBluesSummary.html

Hi Ken / Kendra,

   I guess you can count me as Androgyne if you haven't already. I came up short of being transsexual.

   I'm an androgyne who desires some  body mod, so I don't know if this is a subcategory of its own.


Peace

Ok added you.
More statistics

QuoteWhat kind of name would you be least likely to give your child?

Most of you would not choose a name for your child shared by someone you don't like. Trendy or popular names were ones you wanted to avoid, though a small number said you would never choose too uncommon a name. Others said you would not give your child a name that began with the same letter as everyone else's in the family or that was seen as appropriate for either a boy or a girl.

30 percent — Same as someone you didn't like
30 percent — Trendy
14 percent — Same as other children that age
6 percent — Traditional
6 percent — Same first letter as everyone else in the family
5 percent — Androgynous
4 percent — Too uncommon
3 percent — One syllable
1 percent — Traditional surname

http://www.babycenter.com/general/6211.html