Christians Warn 'Bathroom Bill' Allowing Men in Womens' Restrooms is Sweeping Nation
July 13, 2013
By: Heather Clark
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As Delaware recently became one of the latest states to enact what is known as the 'bathroom bill,' which permits males who identify as females to use the womens' restroom and vice versa, Christians in the state are warning others across the country that similar legislation is sweeping the nation and may come to their state next.
Last month, the Delaware legislature passed the Gender Identity Nondiscrimination Act, which dealt with a plethora of protections for transsexual and crossdressing residents, including allowing those who identify with the opposite gender to be allowed to use the restroom of their choice. Following passage in the House 24-17 and 11-9 in the Senate, Governor Jack Markell signed the bill into law.
"Our mission to build a welcoming and accepting state that can compete in the global economy requires laws that reflect our values," Markell declared. "Today, we guarantee that our transgender relatives and neighbors can work hard, participate in our communities and live their lives with dignity and in safety."
However, during the public hearing for the legislation, a number of Christian organizations and pastors expressed their concerns about the measure. Nicole Theis, president of Delaware Family Policy Council, and Mike Fox, pastor of The Trek Church in Smyrna, were two of those who made their voice heard.
"This opens the door to so many questionable and very concerning things," Theis told Christian News Network. "Women do not want to share [restrooms and locker rooms] with someone–with anyone–who is biologically a man, but thinks that they are a woman."
It's the legislative sensation that's sweeping the nation! Coming soon to a bathroom near you!
She a flaming bigot! she commits a hate crime right in her statements to the reporter - and she is worried about us or about what is going to happen in the future?
This opens the door to so many questionable and very concerning things," Theis told Christian News Network. "Women do not want to share [restrooms and locker rooms] with someone–with anyone–who is biologically a man, but thinks that they are a woman."
"It goes against every single thing that we as Christians stand for," Fox stated. "God said, in the beginning, He created them male and female. And so, from the very beginning to the very end of the Bible, this [bill] is demolishing every ounce of identity that God created."
Theis advised that there is no exemption in the law for Christians or any entity that expresses disagreement. She explained that every public facility has to provide a "reasonable accommodation" under the new Delaware statute.
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"If you don't offer that, then you are in a position of being held liable," Theis outlined. "You're vulnerable if you are open to the public and you don't offer that."
Fox noted that churches and Christian businesses in the state may not realize that they are now mandated to allow men in womens' bathrooms and vice versa if they identify with the opposite gender.
"If you're a Christian business owner, it automatically immediately directly affects you," he stated. "The biggest grieving of my heart is that churches have been apathetic. Christians have been apathetic thinking that it's really not going to affect them in the churches, and that's the farthest from the truth."
Fox and Theis also warned that legal ramifications could ensue for noncompliance.
"If you ever question [anyone] or deny them access into locker rooms, into bathrooms and public facilities, you are pretty much committing a hate crime," Fox advised. "And so, if you stand up because you have morals and virtue and character, and you don't want to condone and support any kind of ->-bleeped-<-, then your business is going to be in trouble..."
"What we are seeing are lawsuits across the country where those reasonable accommodations have been made, but a lawsuit has followed anyway," Theis explained. "People who struggle with this condition want to feel normal, and going to a restroom separate from everyone else or separate from the gender they identify with makes them still feel separate."
While some may believe that the issue is isolated to Delaware, Theis warned that similar bills are being proposed in states across the country, and that legislation will soon be presented at the federal level.
"Already in Massachusetts, we see how there was a mandate in their school system to treat children according to how they identify, not their assigned sex at birth," she stated. "So, we just see mass confusion coming from this effort to redefine social order."
As previously reported, lawmakers in California recently passed legislation mandating that school students be allowed to use the restroom that suits their gender identity, and the Colorado Civil Rights Division ruled last month that a school district discriminated against a 6-year-old boy when it stopped him from using the girls' restroom. Bills similar to the legislation now made law in Delaware have also been proposed in other states, such as New York and Arizona.
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I can't stand self righteous people trying to run our lives
I'm extremely glad people are finally obeying the 'separation of church and state'. And it only took what, a few hundred years?
Guess this was what my parents were watching on one of their favorite tv shows(wretched or something like that). Honestly, I am a Christian, and can kind of understand both sides I guess, I do understand that the Bible pretty much says homosexuals are sinning(as far as I know, they don't really mention transsexuals), but my belief, is that we shouldn't go around judging people because we don't understand them, that would be God's job.
I kind of understand how churches and Christian business owners would feel about this, since they already have had lots of things forced on them. Hmm... Hope this makes sense, kind of distracted by a nearby fire(1000+ acres and I just realized I can see the flames now).
Trying not to offend anyone by the way, if I do offend someone, then I am sorry. I have been researching all of this for the past few months, and it kind of sickens me that the Christians are pretty much condemning LGBT, but also bad that LGBT are returning hate with hate(from what I have seen.. on youtube).
Also, haven't read the article.. yet, but the part about trans wanting to fit in, I can understand that part, and honestly, I wonder how many women actually don't want to share bathrooms with someone who identifies as a woman. I could see some things that would probably creep people out, like if someone hasn't had bottom surgery or something yet.
Hope this made sense, stopping now before I go way off topic, or offend anyone.
Quote from: matthewzguitarz on July 15, 2013, 11:44:19 PM
as far as I know, they don't really mention transsexuals
I kind of understand how churches and Christian business owners would feel about this, since they already have had lots of things forced on them. Hmm... Hope this makes sense, kind of distracted by a nearby fire(1000+ acres and I just realized I can see the flames now).
I think the only mention that could be related is that men can't wear clothes made for a woman and vice-versa.
Your current location is same from the fire, I hope.
Quote from: Soren on July 16, 2013, 12:07:16 AM
I think the only mention that could be related is that men can't wear clothes made for a woman and vice-versa.
Your current location is same from the fire, I hope.
Yeah, forgot about the part about crossdressing. Though, I am pretty sure it was meant for something like, men shouldn't dress as women to escape war, and women shouldn't dress as men to get into temples(old testament).
Yes, safe from the fire I think, think it is about 20-30miles away.
Quote from: matthewzguitarz on July 16, 2013, 12:12:20 AM
Yeah, forgot about the part about crossdressing. Though, I am pretty sure it was meant for something like, men shouldn't dress as women to escape war, and women shouldn't dress as men to get into temples(old testament).
Yes, safe from the fire I think, think it is about 20-30miles away.
I'm sure the bible meant a lot of things that were misinterpreted. It is very old, after all.
And that's good to hear.
I can understand their predictament about upholding their version of religion but the fact is in my expereince I used to usde the girls room when I was in first grade and got severely punished (this was in the 90s) and as a result I stopped using the bathroom, damaged my bladder, started wetting the bed, became a problem child, tried to kill myself at age 10, was arrested at age 12, started using heroin by age 16, and was a prostitute by age 18. So that one event so destroyed my life in addition to my trans-ness that it became a horror story. But I was valedictorian of my college and head of the class by age 22 so sometimes I wonder what I could have achieved if I was simply treated with respect and didn't endure the nightly humiliation that occured via bedwetting from a damaged bladder.
And so while I sympathize with her view I can not in good faith condone it as anything other then pure ignorance and highly offensive to even God. Who is she to say what God wants?
Oh Lordy,
What will they do when they start to catch up with the real world?
http://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Pages/AustralianGovernmentGuidelinesontheRecognitionofSexandGender.aspx (http://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Pages/AustralianGovernmentGuidelinesontheRecognitionofSexandGender.aspx)
And we don't even have same sex marriage. YET
I don't see what regulations on gendered bathrooms have to do with Christianity. Where does the Bible regulate bathrooms?
Quote from: Soren on July 16, 2013, 12:07:16 AM
I think the only mention that could be related is that men can't wear clothes made for a woman and vice-versa.
Everyone ignores that now because women can wear pants (and suits!) without raising an eyebrow, whereas they used to be prohibited from doing that because pants were traditionally menswear. Also Scottish men have worn kilts (skirts) for hundreds of years without a problem.
Quote from: Silvermist on July 19, 2013, 09:13:22 AM
I don't see what regulations on gendered bathrooms have to do with Christianity. Where does the Bible regulate bathrooms?
Not all Christians have a problem with people using the proper bathrooms. I think there are certain leaders within the Christian community that have gotten into the sad habit of making people fear outsiders (us, gay people, whomever is around) in order to retain followers.
Quote from: suzifrommd on July 19, 2013, 09:19:13 AM
Not all Christians have a problem with people using the proper bathrooms. I think there are certain leaders within the Christian community that have gotten into the sad habit of making people fear outsiders (us, gay people, whomever is around) in order to retain followers.
Thank you for posting this.
I'd take it a step farther and say, "I think there are certain leaders within
certain Christian
communities that have gotten into the sad habit of making people fear outsiders (us, gay people, whomever is around) in order to retain followers." The majority of Christian clergy I've directly encountered are on our sides, arguing and fighting for our equality.
Wow, more twisted and warped views of us. OK so a M2F of F2M (it seems to me like M2Fs are way more demonized though) poses some kind of sexual danger if they use the proper restroom acording to how they dress or present themselves? Not knocking anyone's sexual preference but if it is about sexual attraction or the menace of such then what about gays and lesbians and bis? I'm bi and have never hit on anyone in the restroom (YUK, I don't even want to think about it) but have had a guy hit on me once. I didn't really care other than please let me pee and hit on me back in the club where you have to buy me a drink and work for it at least. I am assuming that most women, even us sexually deviant transwomen that are bi, ::) do not find restrooms romantic even with another woman and would never use a public restroom as a place to fulfill sexual desires. I should probably shut up though since I am bisexual the "potty police" may end up eventually making me use the big oak tree out back in full view of everyone. :police:
Really, I wish people would stop seeing us as some sort of "sexual freaks". It's really getting old being seen as such by certain aspects of society. Its kind of becoming disheartening.
These people are the Westboro of the crapper. A non-representive sample of people of a faith. Really, they seriously don't have better things to do than fret about who does their business where?
Quote from: Jess42 on July 19, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
I'm bi and have never hit on anyone in the restroom...
I know, right? Romance and sex are the LAST things on my mind in such places.
This was in the article: "It goes against every single thing that we as Christians stand for," Fox stated. "
God said, in the beginning, He created them male and female. And so, from the very beginning to the very end of the Bible, this [bill] is demolishing every ounce of identity that God created.""
What I have emboldened could show the narrow and close mindedness of these people. Male and female. Talking on a spiritual level could mean both male and female one and the same. Should it read that God created them male or female if there was a clear deviation of the genders in the Spirit or Soul? And really, isn't she judging what is in God's mind? Right along with judging us as people. Just another rock thrown. Anyway this isn't the spiritual thread but I find it interesting that when all things are possible through God, very few people that see themselves as spiritual actually believe or accept it.
Also God didn't say in the beginning. Whoever wrote the opening verses of the Book of Genesis did. I think these folks are actually more twisted, delusional and demented than they think we are.
Quote from: Constance on July 19, 2013, 11:30:21 AM
I know, right? Romance and sex are the LAST things on my mind in such places.
You ain't lying there Constance.
Quote from: suzifrommd on July 19, 2013, 09:19:13 AM
Not all Christians have a problem with people using the proper bathrooms. I think there are certain leaders within the Christian community that have gotten into the sad habit of making people fear outsiders (us, gay people, whomever is around) in order to retain followers.
This is true for everyone who fears or hates "any group of people", because of real or perceived threats (including LGBT when talking about Christians). The separation of genders when in moments of exposure has been around for a long time, and yes it is to protect women from predators.
Given that a man could say he's a woman, enter a bathroom with only one woman in there, rape her and/or kill her, and then walk out of the establishment...yes, thats a real threat. It would be best for us to actually address their concern, and not just with the legal argument that "rape and murder is already illegal." That diminishes their concerns.
With separate facilities, if "a man" is seen entering a woman's restroom, its assumed he's up to no good...and is readily bounced out of there.
What we need is some way to punish the men who have done such a crime...like when someone commits a "hate crime", the punishment is doubled. Likewise, if someone dresses as a policeman and commits a crime, that adds a bit more punishment.
We should ask for the same consideration to reduce their concerns (and ours).
If I were in the States it wouldn't be a bathroom I'd be worrying about. I'd be terrified to go anywhere near a church.
Quote from: suzifrommd on July 19, 2013, 09:19:13 AM
Not all Christians have a problem with people using the proper bathrooms.
Agreed. As a Christian myself, if this Bathroom Bill is "sweeping the nation", then I would to provide a broomstick to help! :D
Quote from: StellaB on July 19, 2013, 02:52:36 PM
If I were in the States it wouldn't be a bathroom I'd be worrying about. I'd be terrified to go anywhere near a church.
Not all churches are like this. Anyone notice that these groups really don't represent churches or any particular faith. Kind of like a bunch of televangelists got together and said, "hmmm... we can make even more money if we do this." Not accusing anyone of anything but just puttin' it out there. Seems like everyone of these groups have some famous talking head that has been in the TV realm of religion. Could just be me though.
Quote from: Miss Bungle on July 19, 2013, 03:37:47 PM
Well, to be fair, I have come across some religious folks that were open-minded and very cool. They just happen to be in the minority of the ones I have encountered throughout my life so far.
Me too Miss Bungle. Kind of why I wrote what I did. A lot of the religious people that I run across seem more indifferent to the LGBT community in a live and let live sort of way. A few may say something negative but it's not the hate filled speech that comes from these particular groups at least.
Quote from: StellaB on July 19, 2013, 02:52:36 PM
If I were in the States it wouldn't be a bathroom I'd be worrying about. I'd be terrified to go anywhere near a church.
I got a standing ovation at my church when I spoke about being trans. Not all churches are anti-trans and/or anti-queer. My church even has 2 out-of-the-closet lesbian pastors.
I wasn't being entirely serious ...
But being serious I refuse to accept that following any major religion is a barrier to accepting those of us who are trans and feel that the objections are far more to do with individual prejudices than whatever God wants or what is written in scriptures such as the Bible or Koran.
Most of the support I have from people come from people who are religious and off the top of my head I'd say that around half are devout Catholics.
Quote from: StellaB on July 19, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
I wasn't being entirely serious ...
But being serious I refuse to accept that following any major religion is a barrier to accepting those of us who are trans and feel that the objections are far more to do with individual prejudices than whatever God wants or what is written in scriptures such as the Bible or Koran.
Most of the support I have from people come from people who are religious and off the top of my head I'd say that around half are devout Catholics.
OH! Sorry. :(
Quote from: StellaB on July 19, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
I wasn't being entirely serious ...
But being serious I refuse to accept that following any major religion is a barrier to accepting those of us who are trans and feel that the objections are far more to do with individual prejudices than whatever God wants or what is written in scriptures such as the Bible or Koran.
Most of the support I have from people come from people who are religious and off the top of my head I'd say that around half are devout Catholics.
I figured that you weren't being all that serious but on the other hand it's hard to tell. Here in the states we have so many different offshoots from Christianity that you really can't ever tell what somone from another country might have heard or seen. For instance we have certain religions in the Appalachian Mountains that actually handle poisonous snakes. It is against the law but they still do it. They are pretty narrow in what is acceptable to them. Also where I grew up there are the Pentecostals, another with a narrow acceptance of people in which I have actually experienced personally in my life. In other countries that I have experienced there may be one or two differing religions but here, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count them. We even have the Church of Satan, the real one founded by Anton Szandor LeVey, not Hollywood's version.
Oh I totally wish that this comes true in Germany as well. Law that gives me the right to use the bathroom I choose based on my gender identity? That would make it a lot easier for me since this is one of my biggest concerns while transitioning. I fear that I will be clearly visible as a man in womens clothes for a long time.
Sometimes I'm jealousy of American people.
One 'common sense' response, posted elsewhere, reprinted by permission:Quote from: I'd have thought the obvious thing is to move to the standards of some European countries where they rarely have separate bathrooms for the sexes.
It takes some getting used to, standing at a urinal while a woman walks by behind you.. but it's only cultural and at least you CAN still stand!
I was talking to a Scandinavian friend of mine recently as he described a sequence of events that has been playing out at work.
1.Feminists wanted to ban men from standing to pee. (Truly, it's just as well I'd already heard of this kind of thing because I just wouldn't have believed him otherwise.)
2.Eventually, there was a board meeting where the numbers of feminists in attendance outnumbered the number of anti-feminists (apparently they all know who they are, since a number of women are there on made-up positions to meet quota).
3.The company decided men shouldn't pee and the men's toilets should be converted to only have stalls. Even in fairly new toilets. Despite the cost, which had no commercial benefit and wasn't even financially justified.
4.This meant that the men's toilets, which used to be big enough, could no longer cope with the number of men needing them, since you can get more men-per-metre standing at a urinal than you can using a lavatory in a stall.
5.Since the women's toilets were, and always had been, larger than the men's, they had more stalls. The company has a predominance of male employees so to equal out the usage of toilets, they switched them around so that men used the larger ones and women now had to use the smaller toilets.
6.This relieved the problem to a large extent for men but women sometimes have to queue now, just like men have to do on occasion, still.
7.Women are not happy with being downgraded and have backed a company-based 'suggestion' scheme to put urinals back into the smaller (now women's) toilets so that men could use the urinals there.
8.Men (many of whom grumbled at the entire nonsense) are fighting this, since the company has a profit-sharing scheme and they say they'd rather put up with things as they are than take yet another drop in their bonus.
The feminists on the board are using men's current attitudes to show how their policies have been accepted by the men in the company!
I tell you, I was almost pissing myself as my friend recounted all of this. He's near retirement, which is just as well because he seems no longer able to see the funny side, as he fights daily to return some profit to shareholders despite all the stupidity going on around him.
You like this.
There is so much fear mongering done by supposedly Christian organizations which only serves to alienate people and give Christ a black eye. Jesus said, "He who is with me gathers, and he who is against me scatters!" It looks to me as if they are doing a fine job of scattering which leads me to believe that they are not Christians at all. Perhaps their 501- C tax exempt status ought to be pulled along with that of a few thousand churches and then we'll see who the real Christians are. Meanwhile you can bet that the fear mongering organizations are using the bathroom issue simply to gain donations from those who are completely ignorant of trans people and have had no exposure to them in their own lives and are having a knee jerk reaction.
James 4:11-12 ESV / 4 helpful votes
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
Fundamental Christians please take note!
Quote from: Amanda M on July 22, 2013, 01:58:38 PM
James 4:11-12 ESV / 4 helpful votes
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
Fundamental Christians please take note!
I actually taught that scripture to my Sunday School kids yesterday along with the topic of "controlling your tounge". Some of these "Christians" should have been sitting in that classroom that I taught. :D
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 19, 2013, 01:22:06 PM
What we need is some way to punish the men who have done such a crime...like when someone commits a "hate crime", the punishment is doubled. Likewise, if someone dresses as a policeman and commits a crime, that adds a bit more punishment.
We should ask for the same consideration to reduce their concerns (and ours).
Most U.S. states have False Personation laws that cover more than just "impersonating an officer". Falsely impersonating someone with GD, which becomes a protected class of citizen under ENDA laws and can be tried as a separate crime from whatever mischief they pulled, and the courts can add it on consecutively as a sentence to the major crime. There could also be a variety of other counts.
Just love to send Buck Angel over to use the ladies room!!!
--Jay
Quote from: StellaB on July 19, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
I wasn't being entirely serious ...
But being serious I refuse to accept that following any major religion is a barrier to accepting those of us who are trans and feel that the objections are far more to do with individual prejudices than whatever God wants or what is written in scriptures such as the Bible or Koran.
Most of the support I have from people come from people who are religious and off the top of my head I'd say that around half are devout Catholics.
Well then your experience is entirely opposite mine - I have had zero support from churches, every one has rejected me
they bring me in just to call me names and then to horrible things to me and try to make me change, I as even put through reparative therapy and they stopped me from having SRS
I should be 23 years post-op I had the money and a surgeon lined up and all there are bad churches out there
Why is the separation with public restrooms even necessary? If they were all unisex multi-user facilities the problem of usage would be eliminated. All that you need is private stalls.
I recall the bit in Genesis where Adam and Eve had separate bathrooms it's in section.........
Quote from: Cindy on November 10, 2013, 07:40:37 AM
I recall the bit in Genesis where Adam and Eve had separate bathrooms it's in section.........
Isn't that after she bitched at him for wearing her fig leaf? ;D
Quote from: Shantel on November 10, 2013, 08:48:53 AM
Isn't that after she bitched at him for wearing her fig leaf? ;D
Cross leafing is banned in Leviticus, the bit where you can't be a tree otherwise you get wet rot.
Must actually read the bible one day! (sorry I do not mean that with disrespect to a Holy Book)
But then I was banned from religion classes at a Christian College School when I was nine. Then it was an all male school except for me. I think I was me even when a kid ::)
Quote from: Cindy on November 10, 2013, 09:00:06 AM
Cross leafing is banned in Leviticus, the bit where you can't be a tree otherwise you get wet rot.
Must actually read the bible one day! (sorry I do not mean that with disrespect to a Holy Book)
But then I was banned from religion classes at a Christian College School when I was nine. Then it was an all male school except for me. I think I was me even when a kid ::)
Don't sweat the small stuff, I've been known to cry, yell and swear when I pray. I'm sure it would seem disrespectful but at least I'm being honest about my feelings. I get the feeling that the "Big Kahuna" has a sense of humor and knows us better than we do. Anyway I still think that cross leafing is pretty erotic. ;D
Quote from: mac1 on November 10, 2013, 06:57:03 AM
Why is the separation with public restrooms even necessary? If they were all unisex multi-user facilities the problem of usage would be eliminated. All that you need is private stalls.
I understand this sentiment, but I can also understand why women wouldn't want men in their bathrooms. It's not that men are incapable of keeping it in their pants, but it does create an awkward situation for many women. I get that. Honestly, I would be a little creeped out if a guy walked into the ladies room while I was in there. It's not necessarily right to feel that way, but that's probably the emotional response I would have. Still, I don't understand why people are so afraid of trans women. If someone is living as a female full time, what's the big deal if they use the girs room? Should they have to be forced into the men's room? I think those people who say things like that lack any sense of empathy or understanding of what we go through. And let me say, you can't define gender solely on genitals. Not all of us were born with a or b, it's not so simple for a lot of people out there. So, what about them? Therefore, I think bathroom laws are a little silly in general, but I do understand creating a seperate space for genders. It's just how far people are willing to take it that annoys me. As though we need a height requirement outside of the bathroom before we can be admitted like an amusement park, lol.
Quote from: Cindy on November 10, 2013, 07:40:37 AM
I recall the bit in Genesis where Adam and Eve had separate bathrooms it's in section.........
Tell me where it says that. I don't recall reading anything about that.
Your not going to convince many Christians no matter how much you try. As I have said before, I have been to places in Europe and Asia where public bathrooms are combined with no issues, but the doors to the stalls close completely with no gap.
I am not comfortable with "guys" being in the women's room. You notice I put Guys in quotes. I'm not a guy, there is a difference.
Quote from: Pia Bianca on July 22, 2013, 06:58:13 AM
Oh I totally wish that this comes true in Germany as well. Law that gives me the right to use the bathroom I choose based on my gender identity? That would make it a lot easier for me since this is one of my biggest concerns while transitioning. I fear that I will be clearly visible as a man in womens clothes for a long time.
Sometimes I'm jealousy of American people.
Restroom use should not even be based on your gender identity. All public restrooms should be multi-user unisex facilities with private stalls. There is not any practical reason to have any further restriction.
Quote from: mac1 on November 11, 2013, 03:37:56 PM
Tell me where it says that. I don't recall reading anything about that.
It's right ... right ...
;D I think LTL was being sarcastic and trying to point out that it's not actually in the bible.
Over in I Kings where the plans for the great temple are pretty clear, there is not one single mention of there being restrooms in the darn thing!! What were they thinking?? Thats where we should have found it all!!
Quote from: Vicky on November 11, 2013, 10:27:56 PM
Over in I Kings where the plans for the great temple are pretty clear, there is not one single mention of there being restrooms in the darn thing!! What were they thinking?? Thats where we should have found it all!!
I don't believe there was such a thing as a restroom. Maybe not even the traditional outhouse.
Quote from: mac1 on November 11, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
Restroom use should not even be based on your gender identity. All public restrooms should be multi-user unisex facilities with private stalls. There is not any practical reason to have any further restriction.
Word.