Okay, I already know that this topic is discussed kinda controversial on the internet - but if you don't know, then nobody knows. Is there any way to increase breast size with hormone-free pills like those containing hop or yeast? I heard that they would be able to increase breast size and since I will transition at some time I fear of not getting any recognizable change in breast size.
I know that breast size can be increased with some cosmetic surgery, but since I#m planning to get rather big changes down there, I shy away from further surgical modifications.
Another plus would be that those pills are free to buy in Germany while hormones need to be prescribed (which obviously is based some upon good reasons).
What do you think: Is there any chance to succeed?
I would say not to waste your time with that. Unregulated pills filled with gods know what can be harmful. The safest and most effective way to grow boobs is with hrt prescribed by your doctor.
There is no such thing as non-surgical breast enlargement. If there were, then boob jobs wouldn't be the most popular plastic surgery procedure. Your breasts will get as large as they possibly can based on your genes and body fat. No part of the body can be non-surgically enlarged beyond the limit from genes.
Most guys believe that being tall is important. If there were a pill that could be taken to make a guy grow taller, then what guy (other than someone who's already very tall) wouldn't be dying to take it?
Plenty of women are flat-chested. AA cups are not just for trans women. They either have to live with it or get boob jobs. So if you have genes for a flat chest, then you're not any less of a woman.
The ways those pills work is either A) using hormones to increase body fat or B) by causing you to retain a bunch of water. While both will make your boobs bigger naturally, neither option is the healthiest. Really the only safe way to increase your bra size is 1) breast implants if a dramatic size increase is desired or 2) increase calories/decrease exercise and gain weight.
Unregulated pills are really dangerous just as herbal pills are. I have herd of people (Laura from LPG as an example) having had several strokes and heart attacks because of fecal matter n herbal pills. Which is also why self medicating with herbal estrogens and T blockers is not recommended at all.
Trust me hun your life is more important to anyone then your bra size is.
huh... I didn't think that pills from the supermarket would be so dangerous... perhaps I shout re-think my secondary plans.
the first step will be hormones from a doctor's prescription. if that doesn't help, it seems I should consider some implants.
Quote from: PiaBianca on July 22, 2013, 12:35:45 PM
huh... I didn't think that pills from the supermarket would be so dangerous... perhaps I shout re-think my secondary plans.
the first step will be hormones from a doctor's prescription. if that doesn't help, it seems I should consider some implants.
yup simply because there is no FDA regulations on them they can really do what ever they want even say they are saw palmetto but the capsules are 5% herb 95% filler. Also without those regulations there natural fertalizers aka cow poop' may not be washed off and you ingest them leaving you really ill. Bottom line stick to the chemical stuff even if someone says "i have taken this brand for years and Im fine"
Pia is actually in Germany, but the herbal breast enlargement scam happens there too.
Most herbal therapies just do not work. Seek out a good therapist and get referred to HRT.
Quote from: Jamie D on July 22, 2013, 04:05:43 PM
Pia is actually in Germany, but the herbal breast enlargement scam happens there too.
Oops....well substitute USDA for the German equivalent lol
Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on July 22, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
Seek out a good therapist and get referred to HRT.
Yeah that's my plan... but HRT is only possible after some months full time, so it's a big step. Bad thing is, you have to live full time without the proper body. It takes a long time here in Germany, which normally is totally fine; but it will be complicated, though.
Yeah, don't buy into all the herbal stuff for breast enlargements. I am kinda' scared to say this but I do take saw palmetto and it hasn't done anything for the enhancement of breasts like it's blasted all over the internet. I take it for hair health and prostate health and have been taking it for 9 years. Prostate problems run in my family but I'm more scared of MPB which is my only phobia and fortunately doesn't run in my family. But I did check with a doctor as to safe dosage and all. Always check with your doctor before taking anything because in concentrated form you can take too much very easily. But to grow breasts, it has to be HRT.
Quote from: PiaBianca on July 22, 2013, 05:22:37 PM
Yeah that's my plan... but HRT is only possible after some months full time, so it's a big step. Bad thing is, you have to live full time without the proper body. It takes a long time here in Germany, which normally is totally fine; but it will be complicated, though.
Even on HRT, breasts will take many months to grow. Until then, are you considering breast forms?
There are herbs that will have that effect. I'm living proof. I've been on an all herbal HRT for over a year now....an herbal antiandrogen, and an herbal selective estrogen receptor modulator. Its actually been a subject of much scientific research.....there is a plant out there that is as effective as estradiol (has phytochemicals that have 2.5 times the affinity for the estrogen receptors than estradiol) with fewer side effects. Due to site rules however, I'm not at liberty to divulge this information.....
but I'm not BSing anyone. Trust me, I have nothing to gain...
if you pm me an email address I can share links to research papers and information on said herb....
The herbals will work on some people. If it is working as in Oriah's case, use them. My herbal regimen was more expensive than my current HRT regimen. But be warned, the herbal potentcy varies with time, harvest, and storage of the herb. Warning, the herbals are more attracted to your estrogen receptors than the estrogen you'll need a script for. These phyto-estrogens are weaker in reaction in most males. It is advisable to quit the herbals a month before starting the HRT regimen to clear your system.
My story: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,110446.msg834877.html#msg834877 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,110446.msg834877.html#msg834877)
Joelene
Quote from: Joelene9 on July 23, 2013, 05:20:41 AM
The herbals will work on some people. If it is working as in Oriah's case, use them. My herbal regimen was more expensive than my current HRT regimen. But be warned, the herbal potentcy varies with time, harvest, and storage of the herb. Warning, the herbals are more attracted to your estrogen receptors than the estrogen you'll need a script for. These phyto-estrogens are weaker in reaction in most males. It is advisable to quit the herbals a month before starting the HRT regimen to clear your system.
My story: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,110446.msg834877.html#msg834877 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,110446.msg834877.html#msg834877)
Joelene
Joelene, the phytoestrogenic herbs you were using aren't all that potent. There is a plant out there that in clinical trials was more potent than estradiol. It's fairly obscure and grows almost exclusively in only one country of the world.....the only quality stuff has to be imported....but it's actually used as a fully herbal HRT for menopausal women and has almost no negative side effects.....no thrombosis risk, etc. And the cost is pretty low
"Hormone-free" NBE pills are actually phytoestrogens and such. They help your body create more of its own hormones naturally (and sometimes, depending on the pills, include hormones from animals as well).
I don't know why people say NBE doesn't work. Yes, I'm born female. But I was still able to go from a 34B to a 34DD in a little over a year. Since I decided to transition and stopped taking these pills, I've only gone back down to a 34C and don't think my breasts will ever be the 34B size they were before. I've grown too much breast tissue. I've also talked to plenty of MtFs who have had wonderful success from NBE.
The only downside to NBE is that it takes a lot of research and dedication to find what works best for your body. You need to learn about how hormones work in the body, find other programs people have used with success, and also learn how to properly use supplements (such as how to cleanse properly, what the safest pills and herbs to take are, how pills may interact together, etc.) I researched these things the entire time I did NBE, and I think it really helped me get ahead, and continues to help me as I try to transition to male.
If you're ready for the commitment Natural Breast Enhancement takes, Google forums that are specifically dedicated to NBE (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link to the forums I used, I'm sure you'll find it). There you will find a lot more information than on here. This site is focused on all aspects of gender identity, transition, etc. Obviously it won't contain the same focus of subject as a forum that's entirely NBE.
I wish you the best of luck. Also, look into hypnosis. It sounds silly, but there are free sessions you can download online. When I listened to them, I felt my breasts tingling and swelling. If you're easily entranced, it should work for you as well. There are plenty of natural breast growing methods out there, such as herbs, massage, exercise, etc, so don't get discouraged if one thing doesn't work for you right away. I think the reason people think NBE doesn't work is because they weren't personally successful with it, but more often than not, that just means that whatever they tried wasn't right for their body and, most likely, they gave up after their first (or first few) failed attempts.
Make sure you tell your Doctor about any (and I mean any) pills/medication you take. They all interact with each other. The herbal industry is poorly regulated and you never know for sure what your getting, also you generally end up taking "mega" doses of herbals which can be dangerous.
Locked since the best advice is a doctor trained in either traditional medicine or so-called alternative medicine.