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Title: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
So, I was at Target today, and I bought some girl clothes.  PJ top, two PJ bottoms and a skirt.  The thing is, I was in "guy" mode (Have never had the nerve to go out in "girl" mode).  I felt like a freak (Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs sort of freak).  The thing is, I usually use the "self" check-out when I buy girl stuff, so I don't need to interact with anyone.   However, Target doesn't have a self check out, and I really wanted that skirt and PJs.   So, after much courage building, I went for it and checked out.  I can only imagine what the girl at the checkout counter was thinking (I'm sure she was thinking the same thing I was...."Freak").

I'm sure my experience is not unique, I guess I'm just looking for a little support.

On a plus side, I had enough adrenaline flowing through my blood that I was able to jog a full 3 miles today (instead of my usual two) at a solid 6mph clip.

J.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Devlyn on July 29, 2013, 01:55:16 PM
Checkout people are ususally just thinking of the end of their shift! Gonna show us the skirt? Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Theo on July 29, 2013, 02:04:00 PM
Actually, if you're in "guy mode", and the person at the checkout counter thought anything other than what Devlyn said, then it was probably the easiest conclusion to make: "purchasing for someone else". "Freak" is way too complex. People go for easy solutions. :)
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Madison Leigh on July 29, 2013, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
So, I was at Target today, and I bought some girl clothes.  PJ top, two PJ bottoms and a skirt.  The thing is, I was in "guy" mode (Have never had the nerve to go out in "girl" mode).  I felt like a freak (Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs sort of freak).  The thing is, I usually use the "self" check-out when I buy girl stuff, so I don't need to interact with anyone.   However, Target doesn't have a self check out, and I really wanted that skirt and PJs.   So, after much courage building, I went for it and checked out.  I can only imagine what the girl at the checkout counter was thinking (I'm sure she was thinking the same thing I was...."Freak").

I'm sure my experience is not unique, I guess I'm just looking for a little support.

On a plus side, I had enough adrenaline flowing through my blood that I was able to jog a full 3 miles today (instead of my usual two) at a solid 6mph clip.

J.

I spent some time as a PT cashier there and at least at the store I was at, she wouldn't have batted an eyelash. 

If anything she was probably admiring what you were buying without regards to who it was/wasn't for. :)

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: JoW on July 29, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
In my experience, the more often you do it, the more normal it will feel.

QuotePeople go for easy solutions

Absolutely they do. And the easiest solution - even if they do have a problem with your clothing choices, which usually they don't - is to sell you your goods and allow you to leave.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: JoW on July 29, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
In my experience, the more often you do it, the more normal it will feel.

Absolutely they do. And the easiest solution - even if they do have a problem with your clothing choices, which usually they don't - is to sell you your goods and allow you to leave.

I Know, right.  The first time I bought something girly was a jar of nail polish.  I used a self check-out and my heart was beating like crazy.  Since then I have purchased 5 pairs of shoes, 3 skirts, two sports bras and a small amount of makeup.  The thing is, I've always used a self checkout so it wasn't too bad.  The couple times I have bought "real jewelry" (Like my beloved Fossil watch) I've been able to play it off as a gift for my wife.

What I would love is to have a girlfriend to go shopping with.  The most ironic thing is that my wife has virtually no girly-ness about her.  She totally shops like a man, goes into a store knowing exactly what she wants and what size.  Buys it, and leaves.

I gave up trying to buy her girly things a long time ago.  Now when I buy her gifts, it's technology, or camera equipment.

J.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Eva Marie on July 29, 2013, 11:23:38 PM
SciNerdGirl-

Congrats on your successful shopping experience - like others have said it gets easier the more you do it. You have every right to purchase whatever you want and if a store employee ever gives you attitude i'd just ask for a manager and solve it right there on the spot.

And like Devlyn said - wheres the pics? :)

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: justpat on July 29, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
  I was shopping by myself at Kohl's picked up several hundred dollars worth of stuff,shoes dresses, panties ,bras,etc when I went to check out the young lady there kinda looked at me I just said DO  YOU THINK THEY WILL FIT?  BIG SMILE!
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Athena on July 30, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
Two things

1) stay away from smaller specialty stores. I work at a comic store and sometimes when women come in and buy stuff more "male" oriented I might strike up a conversation more so to try to make her comfortable but it is a small store and sometimes it is kind of boring.

2) act like it is normal for you. I notice more when people are nervous then what they are buying. If someone buys more then 1 comic at a time I don't even notice which books they buy.

So act like it isn't a big deal and most cashiers will barely notice you at all 
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Siege on July 30, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
I've had cashiering positions in the past, and I can tell you that there's a high chance that the cashier honestly doesn't care about what you're buying. And even if they did, like someone said above, they would most likely figure you were buying stuff for someone else.

Don't worry yourself too much. :)
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Ms. OBrien CVT on July 30, 2013, 03:33:58 PM
I often hear people saying that they wonder what the cashier is thing, to which I say "Who gives a flying frack what they think?"  They job is to ring up my purchases , take my money, make change and say "Have a nice day.  Thank you for shopping with us."  I don't care if they smile or even gender me correctly.

I know they will say something to their fellow workmates later, that is the nature of the beast.  But other than that, I could care less.  And if they create a problem, I report it to the manager.
Title: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jennygirl on July 30, 2013, 03:35:25 PM

Quote from: White Rabbit on July 30, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
2) act like it is normal for you. I notice more when people are nervous then what they are buying. If someone buys more then 1 comic at a time I don't even notice which books they buy.

So act like it isn't a big deal and most cashiers will barely notice you at all

This!

The only way someone is ever going to think of you as a "freak" in this situation is if you are emanating a bad vibe ;)

If you are giving off nervous energies, people will pick up on it. Try a more dgaf attitude and keep telling yourself "who the eff really cares anyway?"

Nobody. :)
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Athena on July 30, 2013, 03:44:16 PM
Thank you internet :)
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jerri on July 30, 2013, 04:11:42 PM
I for know what you mean, I wanted to pamper myself a bit last weekend so I went drug store bought some wax strips for my eye brows and nail polish to match the new top I had bought at the mall, I was so nervous I am only in my third week of hrt so spend a good deal of time in boy mode. the ladie was so nice though she even gave me a matching lip gloss sugestion and a coupon to get it free. so many times I make my own situational judgement and dont wait to measure the real senario. it helps being in an accepting comunitee and haveing good support from family and freinds thanks to all of you also. Jerri
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Lisa55 on July 30, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 11:18:42 PM


What I would love is to have a girlfriend to go shopping with.  The most ironic thing is that my wife has virtually no girly-ness about her.  She totally shops like a man, goes into a store knowing exactly what she wants and what size.  Buys it, and leaves.


Careful there, I doubt there is a bigger giveaway in than plonking down a pair of size 8 sandals alongside a pair of size 12 when there is a GG and GM standing at the counter.   Good job I'm getting closer to the point of JDC, although to be fair there has never been any comment or even double take when they check we are not making off with a Left 12 Right 11 unmatched pair.

Same problem when buying XL and my SO clearly isn't XL although she is better at getting me to return stuff that is no good rather than just slinging it in the back of the closet like I used to.  For some reason I find it harder to return stuff than to buy it, probably because it feels more like admitting " yeah it was for me, and no it didn't fit" lol.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: SciNerdGirl on July 30, 2013, 05:07:32 PM
As requested, Here is the pic of the skirt I bought.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3805%2F9402230991_98914cb607_n.jpg&hash=195f4ef6a1ce499fa1739cba9ea660c5a9455ceb)

It's really nothing special, I just really wanted a pleated skirt and blue is my favorite color.

J.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Ms. OBrien CVT on July 30, 2013, 05:29:58 PM
Nice.  Good color
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: vegie271 on July 30, 2013, 06:13:43 PM


I never had problems anywhere even at the times I cross presented - regular stores - thrift stores - fancy stores - even small specially stores with people helping me. If you just act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing it works it is when you are acting guilty THEY get antsy. Most of them just want to get paid and go home.

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jamie D on July 30, 2013, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
I Know, right.  The first time I bought something girly was a jar of nail polish.  I used a self check-out and my heart was beating like crazy.  Since then I have purchased 5 pairs of shoes, 3 skirts, two sports bras and a small amount of makeup.  The thing is, I've always used a self checkout so it wasn't too bad.  The couple times I have bought "real jewelry" (Like my beloved Fossil watch) I've been able to play it off as a gift for my wife.

What I would love is to have a girlfriend to go shopping with.  The most ironic thing is that my wife has virtually no girly-ness about her.  She totally shops like a man, goes into a store knowing exactly what she wants and what size.  Buys it, and leaves.

I gave up trying to buy her girly things a long time ago.  Now when I buy her gifts, it's technology, or camera equipment.

J.

When I was in college, I often worked weekend graveyard shifts at a 24-hour convenience store.  I saw all types, and didn't give a damn.  The hookers were some of my best customers.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Madison Leigh on July 30, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Jamie D on July 30, 2013, 06:24:47 PM
When I was in college, I often worked weekend graveyard shifts at a 24-hour convenience store.  I saw all types, and didn't give a damn.  The hookers were some of my best customers.

My wife is (well was - she just took a promotion) a department manager over cosmetics and HBA at Wal-Mart.  She had several regular cross dressers and transgender women who were among her best (and friendliest) customers as well.  Frankly I think she's going to miss a few of them. 
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: suzifrommd on July 30, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
I was never afraid to let a store clerk I'm transgender.

It simply is nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: JLT1 on July 30, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
OK, I was buying make up.  I went to one store where they insisted on helping even though I didn't want it and then helped in a fake friendly kinda look-at-the-guy-who-wants-to-be-a-girl-so-lets-laugh-at-him way.  I left there and eventually ended up at Macy's, ½ hour or so before they closed.  There, I had three makeup artists helping me very earnestly as there was no one else there.  At first, I was embarrassed but they were so nice that I got over it.  I really needed the help and help they did.  Not recommending that as Macy's is expensive but they were so helpful.

In the end, it all depends.  I think the tellers smell fear the way some people think dogs smell fear. Walk up, be confident, know what you are doing and it works.  Don't walk up in ignorance and expect no response.  Don't look guilty.  Don't make up a story (that really backfired for me.)  If they ask, ignore them or answer them, your choice.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Madison Leigh on July 30, 2013, 07:33:29 PM
For the most part I pickup the majority of my makeup at places such as Wal-Mart where I can do so "on my own".

That being said, before I was presenting as Madison full-time, I decided I'd like to wear lipstick consistently; so I bit the bullet and went to MAC.  The young woman there couldn't have been nicer and helped me find a nice nude brown shade.  When I did start presenting full-time I was having trouble with the beard shadow (I'm only part way through my laser) and decided to try the Dermablend Cover Creme.  It was expensive enough that I didn't want to "guess" on the right shade, so we hit an Ulta store.  The young woman seemed a little "surprised" at the request, but that only lasted a second or two and she regained her composure and couldn't have been more helpful.  She picked 3 shades that she thought would work best and demo'd them all three on me and gave her opinion (which I agreed with); she then did my entire face explaining what she was doing and why.  Was a great experience. 

Not too long ago my roommate and I did go to Sephora for a "make over" and the woman who did that was wonderful as well - I ended up spending well more than I had planned. 

All of them have great makeup and I've had great experiences with each; I just wish they weren't so expensive. :)  Not that the stuff isn't worth it - it has been - but I think I'd need a second job to pay for it if that's all I used consistently. 

I guess the moral of my little tale here is that I would concur with JLT1's experience in that the higher end stores (at least the ones I've been to) have all been incredibly helpful; just pricey. :)
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Joanna Dark on July 30, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
I used to feel this way. I also used to use a self checkout lane when buying foundation for the longest time. Now I'm gendered female pretty much always so I no longer have this problem. I really don't know what's changed but I guess something has lol
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Antonia J on July 30, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-the-young-mans-guide-to-wearing-and-shopping-for-womens-clothes-for-the-first-time (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-the-young-mans-guide-to-wearing-and-shopping-for-womens-clothes-for-the-first-time)

You're not alone.  This is a great description of shopping for the first time.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: SciNerdGirl on July 30, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: Antonia J on July 30, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-the-young-mans-guide-to-wearing-and-shopping-for-womens-clothes-for-the-first-time (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-the-young-mans-guide-to-wearing-and-shopping-for-womens-clothes-for-the-first-time)

You're not alone.  This is a great description of shopping for the first time.

Yep, that's pretty much how it goes.

J.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: vegie271 on July 31, 2013, 05:57:26 AM
Quote from: Antonia J on July 30, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-the-young-mans-guide-to-wearing-and-shopping-for-womens-clothes-for-the-first-time (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/column-7-the-young-mans-guide-to-wearing-and-shopping-for-womens-clothes-for-the-first-time)

You're not alone.  This is a great description of shopping for the first time.



I don't remember it being this hard - I had a freind a t work and she took me shopping the first time - made it so much easier - after that it was simple -

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Emily Aster on July 31, 2013, 07:52:34 AM
We think a lot more about what they will think than they do. My biggest fear at stores like that is not the cashier, but the chance of running into family while doing it since they know I'm single and they always feel the need to comment.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jess42 on July 31, 2013, 10:03:58 AM
I felt the same way the first time I bought something girly. Thing is most people at the checkout think you are buying it for someone else if you're in guy mode. If you want to validate that image to them, strike a casual conversation like, "my wife wanted a certain red, do you think that will be good enough?" Or if you can write like a female, make a list and then "accidentally' drop it on the counter so they can see that it was written by a woman. I used to do both in the beginning, now I could care less whether they think whatever I purchase is for me or someone else. If they are so concerned with my life then they need to get a life of their own.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: stacey fisher on July 31, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
know hoe you felt had the same thoughts when i went full time now i ask if think it would sute me most will help if know your transgender and dont give a dam just want to make a sale
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Des on August 01, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
I don't think you have anything to worry about, most checkout assistants hardly pay that much attention to the items and why you might be buying it. I myself work at the tills occasionally when I'm called on to help, a guy was buying make up and I hadn't even thought anything of it at all, in fact I didn't even notice it until he felt the need to reassure me he had a good reason for it...I just smiled and told him he didn't need to explain a thing as I wasn't judging and jokingly said "don't ask about my boxers and i won't ask about your mascara" and he seemed to feel a bit more relaxed after.

I can imagine how nervous you must have been though, I go into the men's sections sometimes and still have random "oh god they must be wondering why im looking at mens stuff" still, but it's just me being self conscious, nobody jumps to OMG WEIRDO, i certainly don't when i see women shop in mens section, I just assume they're getting someone a gift or shopping for someone and I just remind myself of that.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jess42 on August 02, 2013, 07:56:04 AM
Quote from: Des on August 01, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
he felt the need to reassure me he had a good reason for it...I just smiled and told him he didn't need to explain a thing as I wasn't judging and jokingly said "don't ask about my boxers and i won't ask about your mascara" and he seemed to feel a bit more relaxed after.

When I was younger I had several friends that were too shy to buy tampons when they needed them unexpectedly. I had to always go into usually a convenience store and buy them. I've only had one person look at me funny and when I told him not to screw with me 'cause I was on the rag, he lost it and laughed until he was in tears. Whatever he thought, I don't know and didn't really care but I was kinda' happy to make someone's day though.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: vegie271 on August 02, 2013, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Jess42 on August 02, 2013, 07:56:04 AM
When I was younger I had several friends that were too shy to buy tampons when they needed them unexpectedly. I had to always go into usually a convenience store and buy them. I've only had one person look at me funny and when I told him not to screw with me 'cause I was on the rag, he lost it and laughed until he was in tears. Whatever he thought, I don't know and didn't really care but I was kinda' happy to make someone's day though.




talk about stunning a store clerk


someone posted this on another site where I go

"Stun a Store Clerk

You ever want to make someone feel uncomfortable?

Go to the Walmart and buy a pack of condoms, a 4 pack of enemas, a sixer of wine coolers and a rubber dog toy while wearing a mesh pink top.

The look you get fro the store clerk is priceless......

I wish I had took his picture."




Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Dweia on August 02, 2013, 04:02:17 PM
Yeah, the couple of first time I felt freak as well.
But then luckily in that same first shop there were couple of young women who were very helpful.
Now the same women knows my style and they are always suggesting new stuff.
Without them I would have not have courage to even try a long skirt or long dress.

So now I'm very confident to buy female clothes, underwear, makeup etc..

But I think that in current economy situation, shops just want to sell more stuff so that they can keep shop open and keep their jobs.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 08:23:13 AM
I've had good experiances shopping so far.  Granted, I have my wife to cover for me when I go clothes shopping (usually grab a few things in my size range at Penny's and whisk them away to the mens department to try on while she stands guard(The last thing I need is to get into trouble for walking into a womens' bathroom/changing room while there's still an M on my license))

I've gone out shopping for regular things by myself, though I'm still nervous doing that and the biggest concern is keeping my mouth shut.  My voice is a dead give away right now, but I'm starting speech therapy sometime next month, so here's hoping.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: stacey fisher on August 12, 2013, 01:57:39 PM
this shopping thing gets me mad  I been shopping now for over 2 years  and never had a problem and never fill strange in stores buying clothes or make up hey its me and happy if your thinking about what people think then maybe should ask if ready to to live the real life steps or if ready to trans and class your self as fem
or live your life worrying watt other think if so your never be fully happy
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
While there's some truth to that, I'm less concerned about purchases than I am about being caught in the(legally) wrong changing room.  That being said, trans women do need to be aware of what people around them are doing, more than cis women.  There is a lot of trans hate still, and while legal protections are beginning to be more normal, that tends to be an 'after the fact' kind of thing.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: vegie271 on August 12, 2013, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
While there's some truth to that, I'm less concerned about purchases than I am about being caught in the(legally) wrong changing room.  That being said, trans women do need to be aware of what people around them are doing, more than cis women.  There is a lot of trans hate still, and while legal protections are beginning to be more normal, that tends to be an 'after the fact' kind of thing.



I guess it is a lot worse it your ID is still wrong - see mine has been changed for a long time - that was something I got fixed very fast - the first thing I got at transition was a letter - then HRT & immediately as soon as I could ID the DL arrives in the mail fairly quickly

it has taken years for me to get to this point where now I am changing my birth certificate

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
One thing at a time for each of us.  I would love to get my documents fixed right off the bat, that would be spectacular!  I'm hoping to start meeting with a therapist in October, so we'll see how things go.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: vegie271 on August 12, 2013, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
One thing at a time for each of us.  I would love to get my documents fixed right off the bat, that would be spectacular!  I'm hoping to start meeting with a therapist in October, so we'll see how things go.



wow!  :eusa_clap: you present in public even before having done anything official - see in 1987 I did the halloween thing and then I waited until I saw a therapist and made it official before I presented publicly  ;D

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 06:34:39 PM
I have been sometimes, yes.  I'm just more comfortable being myself when I'm out than I am trying to play 'man'.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Rising_Angel on August 30, 2013, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
I Know, right.  The first time I bought something girly was a jar of nail polish.  I used a self check-out and my heart was beating like crazy. 
J.

I was in the middle of a dilemma like this when an epiphany hit me at seeing this guy grab a lipstick and nailpolish off a shopping list.  He rolled right through the checkout aisle and I caught myself in envy of him.  "Now that's a fearless one," I thought.  Then it hit me - he probably wasn't buying it for himself!  He was getting it off a list, and despite the fact that the checkout clerk didn't see him with the list, he didn't even think twice about it, because it wasn't for him!

There's a quote I like by RW Emerson (aside from the one in my signature) that says, "Most of the shadows of this life are caused by our standing in our own sunshine."  It occurred to me that the only reason I was so afraid of what I was going to do was because I knew what I was doing!  That guy didn't even realize that what he was doing could be construed as weird, because to him it had a totally "normal" explanation!

I realized that what I was doing was totally normal to me, and finding myself in that moment I realized that no matter what we ever do, people will explain things to themselves based first off what they see, and secondly by how they see us do them.  If we look like we're doing something 'naughty' people will assume we are.  If we look nervous and shifty like we're doing something not normal, then - guess what, they'll look for the explanation as to what that is.  If, however, we look perfectly normal (because it is normal for us) then most people won't even pay attention to the situation, and if they do (and care enough to even register they are) then they'll explain it as having a perfectly normal explanation.

It's like the reverse of the Three's Company effect.  In that sitcom (I'm dating myself I know) a guy was living with two girls and the landlord would always hear something going on in the worst possible context even though what was happening was innocent.  It was the main gag of the show.  Most of our situational cues come from the behavior of the people in them, not from the situation itself.

Since then, I've been not just comfortable buying things for myself, but it's let me be happy doing it!
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Rising_Angel on August 30, 2013, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
While there's some truth to that, I'm less concerned about purchases than I am about being caught in the(legally) wrong changing room.  That being said, trans women do need to be aware of what people around them are doing, more than cis women.  There is a lot of trans hate still, and while legal protections are beginning to be more normal, that tends to be an 'after the fact' kind of thing.

I totally agree!  However, I think the reason people have a hangup with changing rooms and restrooms comes down to the fact that there is a sexual connotation to the area.  Men think that they don't want someone who's going to peek at them while they're doing whatever, and women .. well women think the same but I have the sneaking suspicion it has more to do with the waiting for a stall than anything - we have enough girls to fight with, who wants men involved too!

But it never bothered me - since I'm bi, no matter what choice society makes, that kind of thinking means they've made the wrong one and society will just have to trust that I'm on my best behavior.  Frankly I think anything aside from a coed restroom with a bazillion stalls being available only promotes pee dances and sexual repression.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: LordKAT on August 30, 2013, 08:00:53 PM
Ok, no laughing ladies.


I went to buy make up once. Told the clerk it was for my grand daughters school play.  Unfortunately, she asked what the play was and I had no clue what to say. I think I made up some story about jungle animals.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Eva Marie on August 30, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: Debbie55 on July 30, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
For some reason I find it harder to return stuff than to buy it, probably because it feels more like admitting " yeah it was for me, and no it didn't fit" lol.

That reminded me of a couple of times I returned some stuff and got a reaction. Keep in mind that in boy mode I look very Joe average and unremarkable, and both of these happened in boy mode.

The first time I was retuning some bright red "do me" strappy high heels that were too small to a well known retailer. Of course they have to examine the merchandise to make sure that's its not damaged and I had braced myself for that. She pulled a shoe of of the box, gave me a look, said "huh - some shoes!" and gave me my money back. I was glad to have that done and left in a hurry.

The other time happened just a few days ago at the same retailer. I was returning some blouses that I had bought online that i didn't like. The lady processed the return and then said "she put this on her American Express" - why, yes, she certainly did! LOL......

I've returned lots of other stuff and haven't really ever gotten much of a comment.

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: marilyn on September 05, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
In the beginning I used to just 'ignore' anyone who had the 'freak' vibe pointed in my direction. Like one time at Walmart I remember distinctly that a man with his daughters was like 'shielding' them from me, like they'd catch something. I felt a little uncomfortable, but mostly because of being embarrassed for his low brained mentality.. I had guys making aggressive gestures toward me all my life, and got beaten up lots etc.. so now as things have mostly disappeared, I've let the 'ignore' blinders down more and more and mostly feel comfortable... Good luck.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Kate G on September 18, 2013, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: SciNerdGirl on July 29, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
So, I was at Target today, and I bought some girl clothes.  PJ top, two PJ bottoms and a skirt.  The thing is, I was in "guy" mode (Have never had the nerve to go out in "girl" mode).  I felt like a freak (Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs sort of freak).  The thing is, I usually use the "self" check-out when I buy girl stuff, so I don't need to interact with anyone.   However, Target doesn't have a self check out, and I really wanted that skirt and PJs.   So, after much courage building, I went for it and checked out.  I can only imagine what the girl at the checkout counter was thinking (I'm sure she was thinking the same thing I was...."Freak").

I'm sure my experience is not unique, I guess I'm just looking for a little support.

On a plus side, I had enough adrenaline flowing through my blood that I was able to jog a full 3 miles today (instead of my usual two) at a solid 6mph clip.

J.


One thing that sales and checkout employees are typically taught is that money is money no matter who it is coming from and stores are usually about making a profit.  For all the checker knew you were paying for your girlfriend's, daughters, etc. purchase.  Typically people are too busy with their own lives to notice however if someone who looks like a guy is trying on women's clothing, that is going to be more noticeable.  This is one area where you can't care what other people think and like I mentioned earlier, stores typically are about profits and money talks, and bad store employees walk.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: pebbles on September 20, 2013, 03:50:34 PM
I've worked in retail, and I've actually seen transwomen and transmen in the stores and yes I've served them at times.

I had a Transwoman who was about my age when I was working at dichmanns shoe store, She was midway transition I think she might have been passable at some point in the future but at the time she wasn't. I doubt she knew about me I was stealth at the time.
Personally what I thought was "D'awww she's gonna be such a cutie!" careful not to smirk because it might be misconstrued as you laughing at her.

While you want to say something and compliment her or say how she isn't alone, I remember from the roles begin reversed that the best ego boost you can give her is to simply smile and say.
"Hello Miss, Would you like these in a bag?" Make no big deal at all. and see her eyes light up.

So yeah you don't know what the clerk is thinking.

One of my coworkers asked later " OMG Was that a man or a woman you just served?" I played the trans-ally thing. "I think she was transgender, but so what? it's not a big deal these days."
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Blastradius on September 21, 2013, 12:38:05 AM
I finally worked up the nerve to go buy some new girls jeans, and I went to the little store that I buy my boy jeans from (as male) and it was so funny I was the only customer so like all four of the ladies there where helping me they even helped me figure out what size I would need in girls from the boys size and opened up the dressing room for me! It was so great, so you never know when the employees will just not care or sometimes they surprise you and are crazy nice and helpful.

And they have different little name things for the dressing rooms, like rock star, runway model and princess. And when I have gone there to buy boys jeans they always open the rock star one, but that time she opened up the princess one :P I was sooo happy but I didn't say anything.
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jennygirl on September 21, 2013, 04:16:40 AM
Quote from: Blastradius on September 21, 2013, 12:38:05 AM
I finally worked up the nerve to go buy some new girls jeans, and I went to the little store that I buy my boy jeans from (as male) and it was so funny I was the only customer so like all four of the ladies there where helping me they even helped me figure out what size I would need in girls from the boys size and opened up the dressing room for me! It was so great, so you never know when the employees will just not care or sometimes they surprise you and are crazy nice and helpful.

And they have different little name things for the dressing rooms, like rock star, runway model and princess. And when I have gone there to buy boys jeans they always open the rock star one, but that time she opened up the princess one :P I was sooo happy but I didn't say anything.

Awwww.. I love this!!! YES!!!

I love love loved that feeling of being taken under any girls' wing and getting to feel like a member of the girl club. SO GOOD! Geez, I may have to de-transition just so I can re-transition ;) I miss those days!
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jamie D on September 21, 2013, 04:21:54 AM
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 21, 2013, 04:16:40 AM
Awwww.. I love this!!! YES!!!

I love love loved that feeling of being taken under any girls' wing and getting to feel like a member of the girl club. SO GOOD! Geez, I may have to de-transition just so I can re-transition ;) I miss those days!

LOL  Good luck with that.

Ain't gonna happen, hon'
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Cindy on September 21, 2013, 04:35:33 AM
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 21, 2013, 04:16:40 AM
Awwww.. I love this!!! YES!!!

I love love loved that feeling of being taken under any girls' wing and getting to feel like a member of the girl club. SO GOOD! Geez, I may have to de-transition just so I can re-transition ;) I miss those days!

Yes total!.

Ahh  de-transition? Forget it it Sis!!!! You have not a hope in hell!

One day this will happen to you, it has for me recently :embarrassed:

You go in to buy a really expensive gown, and you are the customer.

You just stand as they dress you, make sure the heels are the right height for the dress, the look, the temp hair do is OK ish ( do we need to bring someone in? "No, she is tall enough for us to see the concept": THE CONCEPT.

That's me! Gulp Me I'm a Concept :embarrassed:

Guess what no one mentioned anything about my past, a Hell of a lot of dirty stories about the soon to be future though!!!!

Ahh girl talk.

And no it wasn't a wedding dress :laugh:



Relax ladies

Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: SciNerdGirl on September 24, 2013, 01:01:54 AM
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 21, 2013, 04:16:40 AM
Awwww.. I love this!!! YES!!!

I love love loved that feeling of being taken under any girls' wing and getting to feel like a member of the girl club. SO GOOD! Geez, I may have to de-transition just so I can re-transition ;) I miss those days!

I would love for this to happen to me.  Don't think it ever will, but it is such a wonderful thought and it warms my heart when I hear stories like this.

J
Title: Re: Felt like a freak when shopping
Post by: Jennygirl on September 24, 2013, 04:48:10 AM
What a hoot

Of course I'm not going to de-transition! :P :D