after starting HRT did you become more vocal during sex? I know cis women are more vocal to begin with. Just wondering.
I can't speak from experience, but I can make some inferences. This probably has a lot more to do with your level of comfort and enjoyment of the situation than it does with which hormones are running in your system. That said, in general the male body tends to only feel sexual pleasure when something is happening to the penis, and then it tends to only be really nice at the point of orgasm... but the female body has far more places and types of stimulation from which sexual pleasure can be derived, and a female orgasm tends to build over a longer course of time prior to the final release.
So, with HRT, as your body becomes more sensitive and your mental functioning changes, especially surrounding sexual function, there is room for a longer period of pleasurable sensation prior to orgasm. Also, feeling more comfortable with your body can result in feeling more comfortable in the act. These things combined could make the urge to vocalize during sex stronger... I'm sure someone has done a study.
I think vocalization is maybe a small part social roles and a big part because of what you're actually doing during sex. It's nothing universal, but in a heterosexual relationship, often, the man will be doing most of the moving. Of course, this point is probably partly because of social roles as well, but the simple fact remains that when you're moving, you feel less inclined to talk (or vocally communicate in another way).
Also, the desire to express your pleasure/love/whatever to your partner can be channelled through your movements, somewhat, when you're the one doing the moving. When you have a more passive role in the sexual act, well, the voice is probably a better option.
Same goes with masturbating. The typical "male" masturbation is rather intense physically, which leaves the mouth busy breathing. Your typical female, however, is often going to burn less calories in her arm when masturbating.
That, and in feelings and everything else, females tend to be more expressive and, well, vocal, period. Surely that's a rather important factor in sex. Men tend to want to show their feelings more than say them, and vice versa for women.
Personally, uhm, sex, I don't do such things, but even though how often I masturbate has drastically reduced with HRT, I do think I've been moaning more than I used to, somewhat.
I don't have sex, so I can't answer the question as posted. But I am a lot "noisier" as I approach my O than I was before HRT.
Had my first full body "wave," followed by about 5 minutes of what I would call crazy laughter. I just couldn't stop. Oh, and I never climaxed.
Sex prior to transition and HRT I was pretty quiet....now being on HRT for almost 2 years. Sex is completely different. Im vocal lol. I can't really help it. It just happens. You get so much more sensation and exhilration
Yes,
but moaning also adds to the feeling
I can't speak to HRT yet because I'm just about to start. What I can tell you is that what I've learned about myself through researching my transition has finally put the right thoughts in my head and quite literally awakened my sexuality. I am now able to achieve legit orgasms through masterbation and the intensity level this reaches causes me to be involuntarily vocal. Undoubtedly this will only get more so and better with HRT and practice.
Which reminds me ...
There's no such thing as an atheist having an orgasm. ;)
Quote from: Jamie D on August 27, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
Which reminds me ...
There's no such thing as an atheist having an orgasm. ;)
To think it has taken me this long to understand why.... :embarrassed: ;D
I rarely masterbate anymore but i don't have these full-body orgasms everyone speaks of. it's almost no different except for nothing comes out and if it does it's clear and of little consistency. But there are no waves of pleasure. I have't found women to be very vocal during sex either unless they are achieving orgasm, it's just a little moaning and maybe yelping and cscreaming during orgasm. That is because women have 10,000s of more nerves. Bio males do not.
I'm not dnying this happens but perhaps this is due to something psychosomatic rather then actual changes from HRT. I don't see how HRT, especially early stages, could change sex this way. It would make the nipples more sensitive but I don't see how it could make the lower parts this sensitive. Any thoughts on how and why this happens to some people? I surely can't be the only one who has not experienced this change. Now, post-op, that would be different as actual penetration is involved. or During anal sex this could be more pronounced. But most of the posters in this forum seem to be attracted strictly to women and very few are like me and prefer men and thus would engage in anal sex.
Not trying to offend, so please don't be. Just trying to understand. Any thoughts?
Quote from: Glitterfly on August 27, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
You do? I know many cis women who apparently don't 'know' this as well as you... :)
Being vocal is definitely not a matter of gender or sex~!
Exactly. Some women lay there and don't say a thing.
Quote from: Glitterfly on August 27, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
You might be right that part of it might be psychosomatic for some people... but i believe mostly it's physiological. you have to remember that even biological males with no hrt have bodies that produce estrogen and progesterone. it's part of the natural biofeedback system... too much free testosterone is countered with increased production of estrogen that shuts testosterone production down temporarily. also due to genetic and individual differences different people have different levels of female hormones as well as male hormones to counter them. some men might produce less testosterone to begin with and some might have had pronounced estrogenic activity in puberty which could have led to different development under the hood even if things don't look that different on the surface... :)
Yeah but the thread is saying these changes occurred after HRT. And as far as "under the hood" I really don't know what you mean? Do you mean their penises have as much nerve endings as a vagina? I have never ever heard of this. If someone is not subject to Mullerian Inhibiting Hormones during fetal development I could see this but then they would be intersex and have female organs inside or some mullerian tissue.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 27, 2013, 03:59:14 PM
That is because women have 10,000s of more nerves. Bio males do not.
I'm not sure that completely explains it. I'm noisier and I don't have any more nerve endings. If anything the sensation is less intense.
For me, I think it's because an orgasm is an accomplishment. It takes a lot more work to get there. A lot of that is mental energy, working me into the sexual frenzy that is needed before an orgasm can be achieved. Without the frenzy, no O. So the increased noise in my case is a reaction to the state of mind needed to achieve the female O.
I still think that the same way females (in average) express themselves more when it comes to feelings, a big part of being more vocal during sex is a higher propension to expressing oneself in females compared to males.
Whether becoming more emotional and expressing one's emotions more once on HRT is related to hormones, a psychological effect of feeling more like a woman or both, I think it's hard to deny that it's a frequent occurrence that transition will make MTFs more emotional and more prone to express their emotions.
And really, between expressing your emotions and expressing sexual pleasure, I don't think there's such a huge difference.
I haven't had sex with anyone, but I can sure say I've seen quite a few men cry in silence.
This seems like a fun topic to weigh in on. Pre-HRT my only experience with orgasms were masturbation. Sometimes I would use some toys... Anywho, I don't reallly remember even breathing hard let alone moaning or anytthing. About a couple months ago I got my first girlfriend in over a decade (dealing with the trans stuff made me not want to look for anyone). It was the first time I actually had sex, a female orgasm and penetrated by someone else. Apparently I am SUPER loud. She said she literally thought the neighbors might thinkk she was killing me. In my experience it wasn't so much the hrt but more so the havng sex in the correct context. Sorry if thatwas TMI.
<3 Liv
Quote from: Olivia-Anne on August 28, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
It was the first time I actually had sex, a female orgasm and penetrated by someone else.
<3 Liv
This is the only 'visual' that causes me any sexual tension and the only thing that works when masturbating, however infrequently. It is wonderfully reassuring whenever I hear about someone experiencing complete success this way. It is my dream to make it through this process and finally, as you put it, have sex in the correct context. That and not being so clueless about finding such a girlfriend. It's gonna be a while.
Quote from: Violet Bloom on August 28, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
This is the only 'visual' that causes me any sexual tension and the only thing that works when masturbating, however infrequently. It is wonderfully reassuring whenever I hear about someone experiencing complete success this way. It is my dream to make it through this process and finally, as you put it, have sex in the correct context. That and not being so clueless about finding such a girlfriend. It's gonna be a while.
I might need to clarify just a tad, as I realise now what I said might be slightly misleading. I am pre-op and pre- fulltime. So it was not vaginal sex I was talking about.
<3 Liv
As the innocent pure virgin I am, I can't provide personal details of such vile and filthy obscenities. A good girl like me cannot condone such sailor talk ;) God, I need a boyfriend. :'(
From what I gather, things feel pretty different. I don't know if that makes one more vocal or not, but many women have said that the sensation is quite different. That may increase ones need to express their pleasure. Personally, I think vocal behavior has more to do with gender roles in traditional sexual intercourse, but it could have something to do with the changes in one's orgasmic experience.
Yes, I am more vocal.
A full body orgasm feels amazing...i was moaning nice and loud.
Being pentrated by someone feels different and also I not talking about vaginal sex.. as I am pre-op
I was never noisy before SRS/transition but that sure changed. Now I am down-right noisy! I don't know why but it is nearly impossible to be quiet ;)
Quote from: noleen111 on August 28, 2013, 03:10:17 PM
Yes, I am more vocal.
A full body orgasm feels amazing...i was moaning nice and loud.
Being pentrated by someone feels different and also I not talking about vaginal sex.. as I am pre-op
I was just going to write when I read the quote above. If this is TMI, edit or bury it, I'm just trying to explain my experience. I've had three real boyfriends in my life, one of them right now. Throughout the course of my sexual intimacy, foreplay is important, but I have always loved being penetrated more than anything else, because it's simply the most incredible feeling I've ever experienced and it never gets old. And I don't think you can bond with someone you love any deeper than when they're inside you. Then again, none of them were/are rough, so after the first thirty seconds to a minute of getting used to it and letting myself relax, I can't shut up. My quiet whispers in his ear to telling him loudly how I love what he's doing, I'm meeting his movements with my own, and almost all of those things are involuntary, down to heavier, deeper breathing to noises, muffled screams etc. I believe that for me the causes are both physiological and psychological, because I feel totally and utterly female during sex with my guy. I have what I'd consider 'full body orgasms', even though a lot of the feeling is still centered in the anal/penile area. Very little, if any fluid comes out anymore, but It's like I feel every cell in my body's involved. I can't wait till my SRS is done and I'm healed!
Quote from: Olivia-Anne on August 28, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
I might need to clarify just a tad, as I realise now what I said might be slightly misleading. I am pre-op and pre- fulltime. So it was not vaginal sex I was talking about.
<3 Liv
Well, I kinda gathered as much. That's where I'm at too and it's working for me quite well already. I've not decided if I will pursue GRS but given my experiences with my body so far I expect similar responses after if I do go for it. I was mostly getting at the part about sexual role and being with another woman because that concept alone made all the difference for me. It certainly goes beyond the basic mechanics of penetration. I have to be in the right frame of mind. In fact, the craziest orgasms I've had involved no penetration whatsoever.
Someone, get me a fan, and quick. I'm over-heating. ::)
Just my 10 cents worth.
Good sexual pleasure has a lot to do with feeling relaxed comfortable and with a partner enjoying his attentions. When you are on HRT etc you have reached a point of self acceptance and contentment with your gender ID, so if you are having fun with your partner you may get into the swing of things in a different way than you did previously, because you are feeling sexuual contentment as part of your identity.
So in summary; 'Oh Yea am I vocal' :embarrassed: :laugh:
Some of the comments do have to do with god keeping going and not stopping:laugh:
Keep it down you lot!
I can't hear myself think. :D
Quote from: Jenny07 on August 29, 2013, 02:52:10 AM
Keep it down you lot!
I can't hear myself think. :D
Jealousy is a curse I hear!
Quote from: Jamie D on August 29, 2013, 02:33:52 AM
Someone, get me a fan, and quick. I'm over-heating. ::)
Probably just the humidity...
Seriously, though, one other thing occurred to me about this - that is the true belief in yourself and your body as being sexually desirable within your chosen context. I never once in my life imagined that anyone could find me "sexy" until I discovered the right context to view myself in. Now I'm starting to believe that it is possible, and for someone instinctively not dominant the need to be desirable is a critical feeling. I'm struggling with the question of whether or not genital surgery will play into this significantly in terms of who and how many potential partners I may find once living full-time as female and actively seeking. Lot's of us say it makes no difference but often being one way or the other will be an immediate deal-breaker. I'd also, and either way, prefer to be more than just a 'sexual curiosity'. Anyway, the notion of desirability is going to prove one of the most significant developments and 'game-changers' in my life.
Oh, and just to clarify, I'm not suggesting other people will be the deciding factor in my decision on surgery. I just wonder greatly how it would turn out either way.