I love sports, My mom kind of made me dysphoric today, She's trying to force me to play for the girls basketball team, I don't want to though, Because I don't like playing basketball with girls unless its for fun, Im a guy though so why would I play with girls its gonna make really uncomfortable, I don't even like going into the girls locker rooms because the girls look at me funny like I'm not suppose to be in their, I also really want to play football but my mom would never let me try out which is also fustrating me because the football players had their first game on friday and all had their football jerseys on, I feel like I'm wasting my gifts that I have and I have no idea what to because she really made me mad today.
I understand how you feel Brandon, when I was in high school my dad made me quit the wrestling team because I was the only "girl" on it. I did track & Field with the girls (luckily we often practiced with the boys team) and I never knew what to talk about with the girls. If you truly want to play football, work on trying to convince your mom that you'd like to try out under Title 7 next year, and if you truly don't want to play basketball with the girls, don't do it.
Sometimes though it's good to try to look past your dysphoria. If you're good at basketball and really like it, you should consider at least trying the team (you can always quit). Maybe you'll end up getting a scholarship or something. :) Team sports also look good on resumes for jobs, colleges, tech schools, and apprenticeship programs.
Yea that's true
If your school requires parents to sign a permission form to play contact sports (and I believe most schools do now, perhaps law in some states?) if your mum says no, then you can try and convince her but otherwise you can't really do much about it. Mums can say no for cisboys too. American Football is, after all, an insanely dangerous sport. One need only watch the documentary 'Head Games' to see how dangerous playing American Football really is. The level of brain damage in college and NFL players is insane and still not properly researched or addressed. I know there's no way I'd let my hypothetical kid play American Football.
As for locker room, I can relate. I went to an all girls High School. It can definitely be awkward. But thankfully school doesn't last forever.
Depending on your mum and/or school, it may be easier for you to play sports outside of school, that are maybe more just for fun where you could be stealth and play with other guys. Especially if it's a sport where not everyone hits the showers right after. For example, a small, real football (where they actually use their feet, aka soccer :P) team where you meet at the park and train and then go home - no showers in the area. or if there are, somewhere where not everyone bothers and just jumps in their parents' car or walks home after in their training gear. That would allow you to use the experience in resumes/applications (team sports are indeed really good for that) while also letting you be a stealth guy. I did this when I was younger. I also joined a boys ice hockey team where we just stripped off padding down to the sweat suit and threw on pants and a tee until we got home to our own showers. Look out for local sports teams and see if you can join any of them.
That being said, I was actually captain of my high school basketball team. Sometimes you can turn things into your advantage. I played in a girls team while feeling like I was a boy. That seemed to give me a major advantage yet I also knew that I had every right to play with girls anatomy wise and I took advantage of that. Whether that's morally right or not, I don't know :P. Being the captain of a team looks AMAZING on a university application or resume. When you're a captain that translates to being a leader so it worked out really well for me. Compared to guys I would play with outside of school I was nothing that special, I was actually pretty short, so I was usually a far weaker player playing with boys! But compared to the girls in my school, I was pretty damn good, I was one of the taller players, and became captain because I had a more masculine competitive/aggressive edge. This is more specific to a sport like basketball where height is a factor and guys do tend to be taller, but you get the idea.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 08, 2013, 07:54:21 PM
If your school requires parents to sign a permission form to play contact sports (and I believe most schools do now, perhaps law in some states?) if your mum says no, then you can try and convince her but otherwise you can't really do much about it. Mums can say no for cisboys too. American Football is, after all, an insanely dangerous sport. One need only watch the documentary 'Head Games' to see how dangerous playing American Football really is. The level of brain damage in college and NFL players is insane and still not properly researched or addressed. I know there's no way I'd let my hypothetical kid play American Football.
As for locker room, I can relate. I went to an all girls High School. It can definitely be awkward. But thankfully school doesn't last forever.
Depending on your mum and/or school, it may be easier for you to play sports outside of school, that are maybe more just for fun where you could be stealth and play with other guys. Especially if it's a sport where not everyone hits the showers right after. For example, a small, real football (where they actually use their feet, aka soccer :P) team where you meet at the park and train and then go home - no showers in the area. or if there are, somewhere where not everyone bothers and just jumps in their parents' car or walks home after in their training gear. That would allow you to use the experience in resumes/applications (team sports are indeed really good for that) while also letting you be a stealth guy. I did this when I was younger. I also joined a boys ice hockey team where we just stripped off padding down to the sweat suit and threw on pants and a tee until we got home to our own showers. Look out for local sports teams and see if you can join any of them.
That being said, I was actually captain of my high school basketball team. Sometimes you can turn things into your advantage. I played in a girls team while feeling like I was a boy. That seemed to give me a major advantage yet I also knew that I had every right to play with girls anatomy wise and I took advantage of that. Whether that's morally right or not, I don't know :P. Being the captain of a team looks AMAZING on a university application or resume. When you're a captain that translates to being a leader so it worked out really well for me. Compared to guys I would play with outside of school I was nothing that special, I was actually pretty short, so I was usually a far weaker player playing with boys! But compared to the girls in my school, I was pretty damn good, I was one of the taller players, and became captain because I had a more masculine competitive/aggressive edge. This is more specific to a sport like basketball where height is a factor and guys do tend to be taller, but you get the idea.
Well Ive never played basketball with any girls unless it was for fun, Im on a guys level when it comes to basketball because that's all I play with, I don't like playing basketball with girls, As far as football goes yea I know its dangerous but so what, Ive played that with guys to and it was tackle
Quote from: Brandon on September 08, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Well Ive never played basketball with any girls unless it was for fun, Im on a guys level when it comes to basketball because that's all I play with, I don't like playing basketball with girls, As far as football goes yea I know its dangerous but so what, Ive played that with guys to and it was tackle
So what? So your mum might never agree to it. That's why I said it. That's a potential area where it might not be your decision and you can only do so much.
Don't want to play basketball, then don't. But what's a "guys level"? While I think I had an edge on a girls basketball team, that edge was merely that I was on the taller end and had a more aggressive drive than most girls (although one other girl did kinda scare me). When it came to skill though, when I played with guys it wasn't that much different to playing with girls on a competitive level. The big difference was that most guys playing basketball were much taller and I struggled at a mere 5'8". But with the girls, I was one of the taller players and gained the advantage there. You say you've only played with girls for fun so how do you know that the girls aren't good in the competitive basketball team? When I'm at Taekwon-do I spar men and women in class. When it comes to tournaments we're segregated, yes, but in my dojang, where I spar 99.9% of the time, it's mixed and where I train, there's actually more girls. Oh and trust me, some of them really can kick my ass! Playing sports or training with girls isn't a bad thing!
Segregation in sport isn't about ability, it's about evening the playing field. Generally speaking T makes guys, on average, taller and stronger, yes, but there's actually more to it! Men are taught not to hit women, so in contact sports men VS women puts men at the disadvantage. For example, at a sparring tournament, I couldn't compete against a woman because I just wouldn't feel right about potentially hurting them, but it's not as big a deal to me to potentially hurt another guy. I won't hold back with a guy but I would with a girl, and then I'm at a disadvantage because the girl certainly isn't going to hold back because I'm a guy! If anything she'd probably fight harder than usual! Segregation is for both this reason as well as the added strength benefits of T (and possibly height depending on sport), it's not about who's actually better than the other. To be honest I'm actually glad I'm not a girl because the only person that scares me at the upcoming tournament I'm going to next month is a girl!
End of the day, it's your decision, your mum can only say what contact sports you can play (depending on school/state laws) but she can't tell you what sports you must play. Are you allowed to play on the boys basketball team? If so try out for them! Some allow it, some don't. Some won't when there's a girls team available but you could ask. If that's not an option, and you don't want to play with girls, then at school, you don't play basketball, but out of school there might be options to play more recreational leagues.
Quote from: androidnick on September 08, 2013, 09:15:01 PM
Kinda saying guys are better basketball players man...Ha I think that's kinda messed up considering we hate that we are constantly fighting stereotypes. Just consider what you're saying before you say it.
No Ive never played with girls because I don't like to they arent competive to me Ive been to some of their practices, playing with guys gives you an advantage and I love sports so I would know, To get better you play with people who are better than you, I only play with girls who play with guys other than hat I don't play with girls like that, Im not saying girls arent good but they can't play with guys for a reason unless they had the same skill level, All my life Ive played with guys my dad is the one who got me into basketball and football as well as music, Their wasn't anything wrong with what I said
Quote from: Jack_M on September 08, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
So what? So your mum might never agree to it. That's why I said it. That's a potential area where it might not be your decision and you can only do so much.
Don't want to play basketball, then don't. But what's a "guys level"? While I think I had an edge on a girls basketball team, that edge was merely that I was on the taller end and had a more aggressive drive than most girls (although one other girl did kinda scare me). When it came to skill though, when I played with guys it wasn't that much different to playing with girls on a competitive level. The big difference was that most guys playing basketball were much taller and I struggled at a mere 5'8". But with the girls, I was one of the taller players and gained the advantage there. You say you've only played with girls for fun so how do you know that the girls aren't good in the competitive basketball team? When I'm at Taekwon-do I spar men and women in class. When it comes to tournaments we're segregated, yes, but in my dojang, where I spar 99.9% of the time, it's mixed and where I train, there's actually more girls. Oh and trust me, some of them really can kick my ass! Playing sports or training with girls isn't a bad thing!
Segregation in sport isn't about ability, it's about evening the playing field. Generally speaking T makes guys, on average, taller and stronger, yes, but there's actually more to it! Men are taught not to hit women, so in contact sports men VS women puts men at the disadvantage. For example, at a sparring tournament, I couldn't compete against a woman because I just wouldn't feel right about potentially hurting them, but it's not as big a deal to me to potentially hurt another guy. I won't hold back with a guy but I would with a girl, and then I'm at a disadvantage because the girl certainly isn't going to hold back because I'm a guy! If anything she'd probably fight harder than usual! Segregation is for both this reason as well as the added strength benefits of T (and possibly height depending on sport), it's not about who's actually better than the other. To be honest I'm actually glad I'm not a girl because the only person that scares me at the upcoming tournament I'm going to next month is a girl!
End of the day, it's your decision, your mum can only say what contact sports you can play (depending on school/state laws) but she can't tell you what sports you must play. Are you allowed to play on the boys basketball team? If so try out for them! Some allow it, some don't. Some won't when there's a girls team available but you could ask. If that's not an option, and you don't want to play with girls, then at school, you don't play basketball, but out of school there might be options to play more recreational leagues.
Just what I said, Its game time when I play with guys but when I play with the girls theirs no competion unless we talkin msu girls or the michigan wolverines, Im more agressive Ive noticed that this is why some girls don't even want to play with me like in gym they won't guard me when we have basketball tournaments, Another guy is always their, But by then Ill be able to play with the guys because of Testostrone
You know you can just say "I'm a guy and want to play with the guys" instead of the bull about girls not being competitive, right? If the girls at your school aren't the type you want to play with, whatever, don't. Your mom has suggested you join the team, and I think the best you can say if you're not into it is "No thanks, mom" and to find another activity to do if that's what she's looking for. I don't know how it is at your school, but mine had clubs that weren't separated by gender. We had things like football, soccer, basketball, lacrosse, etc and guys and girls fairly evenly were distributed among them. I was in lacrosse with like...maybe 5 dudes and 9 chicks, and we had fun. We never really separated the teams into guys v. girls or anything like that. It went well on my school records and there wasn't really any issue with the locker rooms because we pretty much went home to change unless we were going to see a movie or get dinner after.
Quote from: Brandon on September 08, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Well Ive never played basketball with any girls unless it was for fun, Im on a guys level when it comes to basketball because that's all I play with, I don't like playing basketball with girls, As far as football goes yea I know its dangerous but so what, Ive played that with guys to and it was tackle
If youre going to play football you better beef up real quick brother. You will get DEMOLISHED.
Quote from: chuck on September 09, 2013, 03:18:20 PM
If youre going to play football you better beef up real quick brother. You will get DEMOLISHED.
See thats what I mean right here and is another reason I haven't tried out, Because of comments like that
LOLs dude you have such a closed minded way of think its shocking... Dude its school you cant do anyhting about it. Stop complainign that omg girl are inferior to me blah blah jsut dont play the sport solved. Wanna play a "mans" sport go to your local park. I get you need to vent but dude you best learn to start actually think before typing your posts are becoming rather how do I say this hmmm I know simple minded.
Hate me for this but someone had to give you a second warning :D
Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on September 09, 2013, 04:13:31 PM
LOLs dude you have such a closed minded way of think its shocking... Dude its school you cant do anyhting about it. Stop complainign that omg girl are inferior to me blah blah jsut dont play the sport solved. Wanna play a "mans" sport go to your local park. I get you need to vent but dude you best learn to start actually think before typing your posts are becoming rather how do I say this hmmm I know simple minded.
Hate me for this but someone had to give you a second warning :D
Im not complaining, Theirs a big difference between venting and complaing theirs a reason why men and women do not play together, No one said women arent good at sports quit putting words in my mouth half of you don't understand you don' t play sports thats why i didn't get alot of comments, Why would a boy play on a girls basketball team? Its fustrating becauase Im gonna get looked as my birth sex. So I guesd you will get mad at any other guy who doesn't wanna play basketball with girls?
Half of us don't play sports? I was a football, basketball and hockey captain as a kid. I played American football in university. I'm a martial arts sparrer, a damn good one at that, and I played a lot of tennis. My advice at least is coming from a legit athletes perspective.
Here's the issue: I personally was actually serious about sport, you're seeing sport and the segregation of sexes the wrong way! That's why it's coming across as sexist. Yes, it's better when you're in the right team but only when you're on the same playing field. Could you play tackle at high school football level? Unless your school is particularly desperate for players; unlikely. You have to be pretty big to be tackle and we're talking muscle not all fat. Yeah, maybe it's all well and good playing pickup at the park but a competitive playing field, no chance! I played American Football in University, in a non competitive league, the only position I was any good in was tight end/receiver. I was no weakling either but guys who play tackle, they're huge!
There are lots of transgender individuals who want to be sportsmen and woman. The question you have to ask yourself is what's important to you? If you want to actually play in college, you need to be good and you need to have played competitively, so if that's what I wanted and I'm in your shoes, I'd sign up to the girls equivalent at school (I had no choice there, I was in an all girls school, so count yourself lucky there!) and get some experience and stats on my side. I know how college sports work in the US. In the UK, most sports are set up so anyone can play but college sports in the US are about the sportsmen and woman of tomorrow. Future MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL players. You're highly unlikely to be able to walk right into a college sports team of any substantial standing. And If you want to play basketball and you're not 6 foot plus, you're going to have a lot to prove and be twice as good. Something you're unlikely to achieve playing random games at the local court. Learning about teamwork and picking up plays from the coach and acting on those instructions ASAP is vital to a sports team player and to learn that, you need to be on a team. Interpreting plays and instructions immediately takes time to perfect.
People will see you as your birth sex? If you're not out at your school and transitioning, that's already the case unfortunately. And while I understand it's awkward in a female changing room, I doubt you would be comfortable in a men's locker room either right now.
I know a young lad here who was lucky enough to have great parents who blocked his puberty and he now on T. He's 16 I believe now and plays in his boys high school hockey team. But prior to transition, he did a lot of hockey and it was in mixed leagues as a very young kid and then solely girls teams growing up. For him, sport was important and playing at competitive levels meant when he went to high school and was stealth (he later came out to them) he made the team easy because he's damn good.
There's Olympic athletes who live for their sport and have to compete as birth sex until they can start hormones and get their surgery and then compete as the gender they identify.
The idea here is that transsexual athletes don't start training after transition. You need to determine what's right for you, no one else can answer that. If you legit want to play college sport and that's important to you, you need to start playing and competing regardless of the gender of the team. At the moment, pre-T, your level playing field in a girl's team. If you want to improve your game, this is where you'd best improve. Your team may not be the best, but other teams will be great and have better players. If you're the best player, you'll have the strongest opposition player guarding you and making you work hard. Possibly even two on one if your team really suck! And if you can't do that then admit gender identity is more important to you than sport and start seeing sport as something you do recreationally as opposed to something you'd do at a competitive or college level because you could potentially be setting yourself up for failure!
Quote from: Jack_M on September 09, 2013, 06:01:05 PM
Half of us don't play sports? I was a football, basketball and hockey captain as a kid. I played American football in university. I'm a martial arts sparrer, a damn good one at that, and I played a lot of tennis. My advice at least is coming from a legit athletes perspective.
Here's the issue: I personally was actually serious about sport, you're seeing sport and the segregation of sexes the wrong way! That's why it's coming across as sexist. Yes, it's better when you're in the right team but only when you're on the same playing field. Could you play tackle at high school football level? Unless your school is particularly desperate for players; unlikely. You have to be pretty big to be tackle and we're talking muscle not all fat. Yeah, maybe it's all well and good playing pickup at the park but a competitive playing field, no chance! I played American Football in University, in a non competitive league, the only position I was any good in was tight end/receiver. I was no weakling either but guys who play tackle, they're huge!
There are lots of transgender individuals who want to be sportsmen and woman. The question you have to ask yourself is what's important to you? If you want to actually play in college, you need to be good and you need to have played competitively, so if that's what I wanted and I'm in your shoes, I'd sign up to the girls equivalent at school (I had no choice there, I was in an all girls school, so count yourself lucky there!) and get some experience and stats on my side. I know how college sports work in the US. In the UK, most sports are set up so anyone can play but college sports in the US are about the sportsmen and woman of tomorrow. Future MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL players. You're highly unlikely to be able to walk right into a college sports team of any substantial standing. And If you want to play basketball and you're not 6 foot plus, you're going to have a lot to prove and be twice as good. Something you're unlikely to achieve playing random games at the local court. Learning about teamwork and picking up plays from the coach and acting on those instructions ASAP is vital to a sports team player and to learn that, you need to be on a team. Interpreting plays and instructions immediately takes time to perfect.
People will see you as your birth sex? If you're not out at your school and transitioning, that's already the case unfortunately. And while I understand it's awkward in a female changing room, I doubt you would be comfortable in a men's locker room either right now.
I know a young lad here who was lucky enough to have great parents who blocked his puberty and he now on T. He's 16 I believe now and plays in his boys high school hockey team. But prior to transition, he did a lot of hockey and it was in mixed leagues as a very young kid and then solely girls teams growing up. For him, sport was important and playing at competitive levels meant when he went to high school and was stealth (he later came out to them) he made the team easy because he's damn good.
There's Olympic athletes who live for their sport and have to compete as birth sex until they can start hormones and get their surgery and then compete as the gender they identify.
The idea here is that transsexual athletes don't start training after transition. You need to determine what's right for you, no one else can answer that. If you legit want to play college sport and that's important to you, you need to start playing and competing regardless of the gender of the team. At the moment, pre-T, your level playing field in a girl's team. If you want to improve your game, this is where you'd best improve. Your team may not be the best, but other teams will be great and have better players. If you're the best player, you'll have the strongest opposition player guarding you and making you work hard. Possibly even two on one if your team really suck! And if you can't do that then admit gender identity is more important to you than sport and start seeing sport as something you do recreationally as opposed to something you'd do at a competitive or college level because you could potentially be setting yourself up for failure!
I really am on a guys level when it comes to basketball, Again Ive only played basketball with guys Ive never played on teams with only girls Im better than you think I am, Ive beat guys who are way taller than me at basketball, If I can beat a guy who's like 5/11 almost 6ft then you could only imagine what I would do to a girl, This is another reason I hate being trans because I can't ever do anything, I miss out on everything because of my stupid situation, And yes Im out to everyone read my other post everyone at my school knows
Again with the guys level. Only imagine what you could do as a girl? Dude, for real, that legit is sexism. End of.
Do whatever you like, just admit you're sexist. I often find myself having to defend myself (along with many others here) in explaining that transitioning isn't because I view men as being in a higher or better standing, that I don't want to transition because "men are superior". I think you need to find some way to see a therapist despite your mum's unwillingness. I think you need to discuss your issues with a therapist because you're coming across as a sexist homophobe and you need to get to the roots of those issues to be sure they aren't influencing your wish to transition.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 09, 2013, 06:25:46 PM
Again with the guys level. Only imagine what you could do as a girl? Dude, for real, that legit is sexism. End of.
Do whatever you like, just admit you're sexist. I often find myself having to defend myself (along with many others here) in explaining that transitioning isn't because I view men as being in a higher or better standing, that I don't want to transition because "men are superior". I think you need to find some way to see a therapist despite your mum's unwillingness. I think you need to discuss your issues with a therapist because you're coming across as a sexist homophobe and you need to get to the roots of those issues to be sure they aren't influencing your wish to transition.
Its not and that's not what I'm trying to come off as, I just said women are good at sports, But their is a reason they can not play with a man! My skill level is higher than you think should I say since you wanna get offended, And no Im not a homophobe because I don't nesscarily agree with it, Because I'm a Christian I guess i hate gays then yea right ok, You are way to sensitive and your reading this out of poportion, All I said was I play how guys play I'm more agressive an ruff, Girls never liked playing sports for me for that exact reason I'm to much for them
Hates and discriminates gays: not a homophobe.
Thinks he's too good to play with girls: not sexist.
Dude! I mean come on! How old are you?
I'm out. You got issues you really need to discuss with a professional, bro!
Well there are amazing women's team and players. It wouldn't be a waste of your skills-- but if you are not a girl, i totally see why you wouldn't want to play with girls on an all girls team. Are you interested in any coed sports, it might be a way to participate as a guy. I agree re: American football. An insanely dangerous sport that's probably bad for your brain. The "little" knocks to the head that coaches write off cause brain damage. I think they should throw away the heavy padding, but it's way way off topic.
I am more the nerd type who likes more individual sports. I did karate when I was younger but didn't really like sparring more the katas. I think that Jack has understanding of what this might take.
You don't seem one who wants to take advise from older people so I'm not going to give it. It might be better if you did.
--Jay
While theres disagreements and obvious misunderstandings here, I don't think calling people sexist or homophobes is the best solution.
I understand what Brandon is saying, and I think he's just staying it wrong,by level, I think he means "style".
We can discuss things without ganging up on members, especially those we know are younger, who came here to seek support, advice, and understanding.
Quote from: aleon515 on September 09, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
Well there are amazing women's team and players. It wouldn't be a waste of your skills-- but if you are not a girl, i totally see why you wouldn't want to play with girls on an all girls team. Are you interested in any coed sports, it might be a way to participate as a guy. I agree re: American football. An insanely dangerous sport that's probably bad for your brain. The "little" knocks to the head that coaches write off cause brain damage. I think they should throw away the heavy padding, but it's way way off topic.
I am more the nerd type who likes more individual sports. I did karate when I was younger but didn't really like sparring more the katas. I think that Jack has understanding of what this might take.
You don't seem one who wants to take advise from older people so I'm not going to give it. It might be better if you did.
--Jay
No its just Im tired of being called homophobe and sexist, Im not I'm far from that I'm nicer than you think, And yes that's why I don't want to play with girls because I'm not one, And yea I know football is dangerous but I do still like it
Quote from: LearnedHand on September 09, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
While theres disagreements and obvious misunderstandings here, I don't think calling people sexist or homophobes is the best solution.
I understand what Brandon is saying, and I think he's just staying it wrong,by level, I think he means "style".
We can discuss things without ganging up on members, especially those we know are younger, who came here to seek support, advice, and understanding.
ThankYou!
Quote from: androidnick on September 09, 2013, 06:50:05 PM
Lol I'm not sexist. I'm just saying if you put the best male basketball player against the best female one the male will of course win. That is what you are getting at correct? Guess what? At my university basketball is more popular than football and the women's basketball team is WAY better than the men's. Seriously dude. THINK before you speak.
Really bro?
Quote from: LearnedHand on September 09, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
While theres disagreements and obvious misunderstandings here, I don't think calling people sexist or homophobes is the best solution.
I understand what Brandon is saying, and I think he's just staying it wrong,by level, I think he means "style".
We can discuss things without ganging up on members, especially those we know are younger, who came here to seek support, advice, and understanding.
That's what I meant theirs a difference between how men an women play, My style is more of a guys style I watch Ive been to the girls practices it was alot different compared to guys my coach pratically begged me to play my sophmore year to play because they needed me, But all them girls did was bad mouth me that's another reason Im not helping them out
We are not going to attack one another. This issue of male-identified FAAB's playing on an equal level with cismales is an important one.
It is about breaking down barriers. I am old enough to remember when SEC and SWC football teams were all white, and would not schedule games against integrated teams in the North and the Far West.
We should be encouraging, rather than discouraging, our FtM members to do their best and to open doors for those who follow.
Quote from: chuck on September 09, 2013, 03:18:20 PM
If youre going to play football you better beef up real quick brother. You will get DEMOLISHED.
Do you know Brandon's height, weight, strength? You are being presumptuous.
Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on September 09, 2013, 04:13:31 PM
LOLs dude you have such a closed minded way of think its shocking... Dude its school you cant do anyhting about it. Stop complainign that omg girl are inferior to me blah blah jsut dont play the sport solved. Wanna play a "mans" sport go to your local park. I get you need to vent but dude you best learn to start actually think before typing your posts are becoming rather how do I say this hmmm I know simple minded.
Hate me for this but someone had to give you a second warning :D
Not your place. Give Brandon the opportunity to show what he has on the court, the field, the pitch, or the diamond. All he wants is the opportunity to try out. Is there a problem?
Quote from: Jack_M on September 09, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Hates and discriminates gays: not a homophobe.
Thinks he's too good to play with girls: not sexist.
Dude! I mean come on! How old are you?
I'm out. You got issues you really need to discuss with a professional, bro!
You chose wisely.
I believe you mis-read Brandon's sarcasm.
Quote from: Jamie D on September 09, 2013, 07:16:10 PM
Do you know Brandon's height, weight, strength? You are being presumptuous.
Not your place. Give Brandon the opportunity to show what he has on the court, the field, the pitch, or the diamond. All he wants is the opportunity to try out. Is there a problem?
Jamie, I would praise to the hilt any young member who would take on an established group for his right to play. A very young guy here did this.He took on a soccer committee of some kind at a young 9-10 years old and won! But ragging on women's playing is not really the way to do this. It isn't the point anyway. I think I made a point to say that he has the right to play with boys, because he is a boy, not because he doesn't like girl's teams. It is a crucial difference. I see the style difference he is talking about. But I think even that's moot. Boys should get to play with boys.
Besides this complaining rarely gets you anywhere in life.
--Jay
I never said women cannot play basketball you misread what I said and took it that way, But its not
Well, I can't say you don't have the Male inferiority complex down pat, that's for sure. Alright Shaq, since you're itching to play with the guys, ask your coach to try out. If he doesn't want to give you a chance, Ask the team if they would let you join in on an after school game to prove you're worth the chance. Don't expect them to go easy on you. Keep trying until you get the chance to put your money where your mouth is, so to speak. You'll also see how open minded they are and whether it's right for you. Seeing and doing are two different things. You'll either be given a chance or you'll have to fight for it.
You've got spirit, I'll give you that, but you certainly need to choose your words more carefully. Insinuating that Women aren't competitive is fighting talk, especially around here. Many of us did the things you want to do before we transitioned and still do. Some of us were high school captains of Football, Soccer, Baseball, Basketball, etc. Some of us raced cars. I myself enjoy time on the shooting range and I'm pretty decent with a rifle and handgun. When I was in Air Force Basic, I was the top marksman of my flight. The RAF Regiment wanted me to transfer over to train as a sniper. I turned them down because of the short life expectancy and less pay I would get in my chosen career path. And I don't even know what the guys have done here.
Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2013, 04:02:03 PM
See thats what I mean right here and is another reason I haven't tried out, Because of comments like that
So facts make you not try out for a sport where you will tackled by guys probably twice your weight? Yes yes, I am going out a ridiculous and silly limb and ASSUMING the picture in your profile is you. Sounds like I saved you some broken bones. Also, I was giving you some advice, and I mean it. If you want to play any sport you shuld be very aware of your physical condition. In an agressive contact sport, you should take stock of what youre abilities and physical limitations are. Maybe you should consider heading someone's advice who just might know a bit more about the subject than you do. Not entirely sure why you would make a post asking for advice and then become defensive when you recieve it.
Also, if my suggestion that you bulk up makes you give up on an ambition that easily, you have far far more serious things to worry about than which sport to play.
Quote from: Jamie D on September 09, 2013, 07:16:10 PM
Do you know Brandon's height, weight, strength? You are being presumptuous.
From his own words, he gets mistaken for a 12 year old boy, is short and doesn't have a male body. Yes, I assume that he might need to evaluate his physical composition before playing sports with dudes that probably get mistaked for 20 year olds. So yes, I am being pressumptuous, based on his own posts, comments and pictures.
easiest way to get started is to research your possibilities. all of them.
find out what teams are available, whether they're boys/girls/coed, what the coach thinks about you joining, if there is anything outside school, if the teams are competitive enough. there's so much you don't seem to have investigated quite yet.
we'll be here to listen to your complaints. just try to choose your words carefully (no bashing women in any way would be one, don't compare them to men at all if you find it difficult). but it's easier to help you with something if you first tell us what you have to choose between. maybe the only choice you have will be to join the girls basketball team, do you give up then? or is it better to join, compete, and then come here once in a while to complain about how annoying this and that is, while still doing you very best to succeed?
there were only five guys in my high school class, and nearly twenty girls. that didn't stop the guys from being competitive and have fun (though only two of them had any physical or mental advantage). i think their presence also made many of the girls more competitive. you won't know how anything will turn out before you've tried.
The topic has been locked by an administrator because of its generally nasty tone.
Too bad, it could have been a good discussion, without the personal attacks.
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