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Title: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 07, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
hello Everyone.
            I'm new here but I need to know, Yesterday with my  Boyfriend I was lactating, and I'm very scared about it, My Endocrinologist is out of town and I can't ask her about this, is anyone having or had the same problem? is it too dangerous? do I have to be scared?

Thanks a lot for reading
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: vlmitchell on October 07, 2013, 10:37:42 AM
It happens. Unless you're squirting out streams, I'd stay really cool and even if you are, it's probably not anything to worry about for the time that it'll take your endo to get back in town. The hormones that we take make our bodies think that we're prego, lactation just comes as part of the package. Whee!
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 07, 2013, 11:00:21 AM
I had just a little when I had sex with my boyfriend, and I was really freak out by that, It was just a couple of drops ( no more than 20 ) and only when he was playing with my breasts..... that's why I was afraid.... really thanks a lot, I really need to heard that is not so bad before my endocrinologist comes in town again.

Thanks a lot  Victoria
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Hideyoshi on October 07, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
Since about two months on estradiol, I've been responsive to squeezing as far as nipple discharge is concerned.

Went to doc. Nothing.

It's a side effect of e.  Have fun :3
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: vlmitchell on October 07, 2013, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: Hideyoshi on October 07, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
Since about two months on estradiol, I've been responsive to squeezing as far as nipple discharge is concerned.

Went to doc. Nothing.

It's a side effect of e.  Have fun :3

Just FYI: I've been lactating for three years now. It's just a thing. Most girls GG or not, can discharge if someone is playing with the breasts and squeezing them firmly enough then pinch the nipples.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Cyndigurl45 on October 07, 2013, 02:05:33 PM
Sweetie it's just part of being a woman, enjoy :-)
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: spx_1112 on October 07, 2013, 06:11:51 PM
I have been lactating too.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Rosa on October 07, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
How do men react to lactation during play time?
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: JLT1 on October 07, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: chibiStephy on October 07, 2013, 11:00:21 AM
I had just a little when I had sex with my boyfriend, and I was really freak out by that, It was just a couple of drops ( no more than 20 ) and only when he was playing with my breasts..... that's why I was afraid.... really thanks a lot, I really need to heard that is not so bad before my endocrinologist comes in town again.

Thanks a lot  Victoria

I'm jealous.  I think that would be a good thing.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Hideyoshi on October 08, 2013, 06:59:34 AM
Quote from: Rosa on October 07, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
How do men react to lactation during play time?

My bf doesn't like the taste (he says it tastes like sweat) but that doesn't deter any playfulness
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 08, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Actually I have 2 years 9 months on hormones, and this is my first time lactating  :-\.... and my boyfriend likes it, I have to blame him for squeezing my breasts until got milk, it's not painful. is just... kind of weird, now I just squeeze a little and a drop comes out... I really need to speak with my DR, I'm still a little concern about it but thanks to all of you I'm not scared.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: mm on October 08, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
The more he or you squeezing them the more they will produce.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: LilDevilOfPrada on October 08, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: mm on October 08, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
The more he or you squeezing them the more they will produce.

This and your hormonal levels, its suggested to ask your doctor but unless its a funny colour you should be fine.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 08, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
O.o it's like normal milk... white ... I thinks that's normal
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Marina mtf on October 08, 2013, 12:06:14 PM
(I am not a doctor)

I read that lactating in MTF could mean a overproduction of prolactin.

This may need some attention, medically speaking.

It is true, however that milk is milk, and the
mammary gland works by demand-offer. Once established the production, the
more you ask, the more it is produced. (Ask any La Leche Legue woman :) ).
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: vlmitchell on October 08, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: chibiStephy on October 08, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Actually I have 2 years 9 months on hormones, and this is my first time lactating  :-\.... and my boyfriend likes it, I have to blame him for squeezing my breasts until got milk, it's not painful. is just... kind of weird, now I just squeeze a little and a drop comes out... I really need to speak with my DR, I'm still a little concern about it but thanks to all of you I'm not scared.

*laughs* I don't know any woman who's boobs *don't* do that.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: JessicaH on October 08, 2013, 02:06:38 PM
Have you changed your HRT lately? Lactation can be brought on in part by rapidly dropping estrogen levels.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 08, 2013, 03:30:07 PM
no. I haven't, I have been taking the same hormone dose for more than a Year by now, but I had some issues with my antiandrogen I didn't take the same dose for two or three days, I was out of pills
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 16, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
hello Everyone ^_^.

         I would like to share this results just in case someone is searching information about it,   My  endocrinologist told me I had to perform tests for prolactin, THS,  T4  and estrogen

Prolactin 85.86 ng/ml
Strogen  94.80 pg/ml
T4         4.85   ug/dl
TSH       2.51  uUl/mL

all seams to be normal but Strogen has drooped from 417 to 95 so I'm concern about it, so tomorrow I have the meeting with my DR, but I'm not so worry because all seams to be normal besides my Strogen but I Guess is going to be just a matter of adjust my dose

so what you think?
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Ms Grace on October 16, 2013, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: JessicaH on October 08, 2013, 02:06:38 PM
Have you changed your HRT lately? Lactation can be brought on in part by rapidly dropping estrogen levels.
Yes, this was my experience when I stopped hormones years ago... gotta say it was pretty weird and just happened at random times but was always preceded by a sudden short lasting feeling of euphoria. I later read that when a woman's progesterone drops after giving birth it's a signal to her body to start lactating. It was never very much, I don't remember being game to taste it... but it lasted for a month or so and made wearing tees difficult!
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: generous4 on October 17, 2013, 06:34:43 AM
Nothing to worry about.  Our bodies are strange, just leave it at that.  Many women, even years after finishing breastfeeding a child, can still express a drop or two.  It's never happened to me, but I know that getting drops or even sprays of milk during sex play is common, too, so do not stress out.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 17, 2013, 09:14:34 AM
Thanks for all your replies. it helps a lot to me ^_^
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: generous4 on October 17, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: chibiStephy on October 17, 2013, 09:14:34 AM
Thanks for all your replies. it helps a lot to me ^_^
Glad to help.  I have been on a lactation program for several months.  My partner and I love it.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: spx_1112 on October 17, 2013, 05:12:29 PM
Do you have a Medela pump?
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 18, 2013, 06:59:52 PM
hello Girls, its me again.... I'm concern today I had my appointment with my endocrinologist, and she told me, the levels for my prolactin are too high, and it can develop a small tumor on my brain, can someone share the results of your prolactin and Estradiol levels. i'm on trh since 05-20-2011

Prolactin 85.86 ng/ml
Strogen  94.80 pg/ml

These are my current levels... u_u sorry to bother you again

Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Gina_Z on October 18, 2013, 08:52:50 PM
Make sure your endo investigates the possibility of prolactinoma and rules it out.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: generous4 on October 19, 2013, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: chibiStephy on October 18, 2013, 06:59:52 PM
...it can develop a small tumor on my brain
No, you have it backwards.  If there is a certain kind of tumor in the pituitary gland, then it can sometimes result in overproduction of prolactin.  Prolactin in itself is not harmful, and it has normal variations IN EVERYONE over the course of a 24 hour day, none of which normal variations are due to tumors.

So you have to differentiate.

AND: It is true that an endocrinologist will want to run other tests to see if there are signs of tumor or if the variation is normal.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 09:18:49 PM
I was also told by my endo that in a woman who is on HRT (cis or trans), the FIRST thing they investigate for high prolactin levels or lactation is whether the hormones are causing it. When it happens out of the blue, the question is why the body is producing extra hormones... but they *know* where the extra is coming from, for us.

The worst case, most likely, is a dose adjustment.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 22, 2013, 05:30:13 PM
thanks again for your replies,
         My doctor is now waiting for mi to return to my normal strogen levels 400 pg/ml and check if my prolactin return to normal 68 ng/mL.

If that's not the solution she is going to search for prolactinoma on my body ... but I'm still concern about it ... this is the first time that I have something like this

Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Doctorwho? on October 22, 2013, 06:25:55 PM
Usual disclaimer here – I'm a medical student and not yet a doctor – thus take what I say on merit and not as authoritative. That said I am interested in the endocrine, autocrine, and paracrine systems, and have just completed a module of study about the human female endocrine system.

Unfortunately think many clinicians are not fully familiar with Trans hormones and thus may needlessly worry about high prolactin levels which, unless I have not understood things, are actually a fairly predictable consequence of the slightly backwards way that HRT drives your levels, and not actually a huge cause for concern.

Normally there would be a complex interaction between pulsatile GNRH, FSH, LH, PRL, Progesterone and Estrogen. All of these hormones exist and act in cyclical dynamic balance with each other – where changes in one, trigger rises or falls in the next.

There are complex feedback regulatory mechanisms involving the pituitary and Hypothalamus, but because you drive your levels with artificial inputs, and at a level beyond bio norms you will get some anomalous levels with things like prolactin and it's not a cause to worry as long as the patient is otherwise well.

Returning to the original question about lactation – this is normally triggered by sharp falls in estrogen and progesterone levels after pregnancy. So if you are lactating it probably suggests that your levels are not being maintained properly and either fluctuating more widely than ideal, or are generally rather low.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: chibiStephy on October 25, 2013, 11:59:50 PM
Thanks a lot again, right now, I feel ok... still a little concern but... I can't do anything until my next tests, I will update this posts hopefully it will help another person  u_u

I really need to calm down
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Ginger Maxim on October 26, 2013, 05:04:08 AM
This is new to me.
Are you saying that a transsexual (MTF) taking hormones can actually lactate? Be it side affect or not?

Is this a bad thing or can this be a very welcoming thing for a new (MTF) transsexual?


Ginger
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Gina_Z on October 26, 2013, 01:54:48 PM
When a CIS female lactates after giving birth, does it not permanently change the appearance of her breasts in a bad way? Or am I wrong? 
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: LordKAT on October 26, 2013, 02:28:07 PM
Quote from: Gina_Z on October 26, 2013, 01:54:48 PM
When a CIS female lactates after giving birth, does it not permanently change the appearance of her breasts in a bad way? Or am I wrong?

Matter of opinion. It does enlarge your breasts so that when you stop you have lose skin and therefore sag. It also fills out more narrow breasts.
Title: Re: I'm Scared, I'm lactating
Post by: Sylan on October 27, 2013, 01:18:47 AM
My prolactin levels rose and spiked over several months as well. Most recent result I have is 39 ng/ml.  My doctor suggested that I get an MRI to check for a prolactinoma - which it turns out I do have. I would suggest that you continue closely monitoring your prolactin levels and if they remain high (over 25) or go any higher that you get checked for a prolactinoma.

Prolactinomas are generally benign and respond well to treatment, but like any abnormal growth you want to catch them as early as possible.