One will never see me in a 'Lord and Taylor' or similar, but 'Target', 'Meijer's' and 'Walmart' are favorite haunts. :)
I found some really pretty tops at Walmart yesterday; in fact, I am wearing one of them as I write this.
I like what I had purchased so much, that I will be going back over there later today. ;D
And the prices!
The top that I am presently wearing cost me $5.00.
'Target' has a wonderful bra selection. I became totally engrossed in that section for 45 minutes, last week.
If you are on a tight budget, these stores are worth considering.
Quote from: Rhonda on June 24, 2007, 09:28:24 AM
One will never see me in a 'Lord and Taylor' or similar, but 'Target', 'Meijer's' and 'Walmart' are favorite haunts. :)
I found some really pretty tops at Walmart yesterday; in fact, I am wearing one of them as I write this.
I like what I had purchased so much, that I will be going back over there later today. ;D
And the prices!
The top that I am presently wearing cost me $5.00.
'Target' has a wonderful bra selection. I became totally engrossed in that section for 45 minutes, last week.
If you are on a tight budget, these stores are worth considering.
Oh I love Walmart [she says, wiggling her cute sandals from there]! Kohl's is my favorite though... dig through the clearance racks and you can find $13 slacks, $6 tops... all really nice stuff too. Most of the ordinary stuff is sorta on permanent sale too.
Funny though, the girls at work apparently like Kohls too: I walked in last week wearing the same exact top as this one girl, lol. How embarassing! We agreed I get to wear it fridays, and she gets any other day of the week ;)
~Kate~
On my meager budget, rather than shop particular stores, I shop the clearance racks where ever they may be.
By far the largest clearance selection every day (almost half the store) is TJ Max. Boston Store almost always has 50-80% off racks, although not near the selection of TJ Max. JC Penney too, but the best bargains there are only in the spring and fall.
Oh I love Walmart too. They have a great makeup department.
But Target is the place where I have gotten some great bras. And there clearance racks have netted me some great tops at $4 to $5 range. :)
But for low prices I can't beat our local Goodwill Store. Friday I picked up a new skirt and tow summer blouses for just over $10.00 and they look new. :)
I've also went to Big Lots ( Yeah I know but have no shame. ) for underthings and found fantastic deals.
Jillieann
Quote from: Jillieann on June 24, 2007, 04:55:41 PM
I've also went to Big Lots ( Yeah I know but have no shame. ) for underthings and found fantastic deals.
Jillieann
No shame for either one of us, Jillieann; I shop there, as well. :)
I have to agree with Kate Kohl's is my favorite too! In fact I was just there today with my wife, and mentioned the cute tee-shirts I saw. and she bought them for me! one had dragonflys, and the other butterflies with flowers. Each week they always have some nice stuff 40 to 50% off.
Jamie L
rofl, i went to wallmart yesterday and am wearing a peach top that i puechased there. i'm stuck in dia waiting for the plane to arive to wisk me home to ca, was in ft. myers this morning. it's going to be a long night.
beni
we dont have Walmart here. We have K-mart, Target and Big W. All these stores sell crap manafactured by cheap labor and with poor materials. They are essentially the same stores with different names and it bugs me that they are all alike. Sure their merchandise is affordable but I wouldnt call them treasures. Its horrible how we are led to believe we are getting good deals made by some corporate company that really doesnt have any respect. They should be honest and advertise that they sell crap at affordable prices.
Anyway Im glad your all happy with their crap. As long as its comfy right! Who cares who makes it and where the profits go! Its affordable.
Quote from: NatalieCarole on June 24, 2007, 10:20:47 PM
we dont have Walmart here. We have K-mart, Target and Big W. All these stores sell crap manafactured by cheap labor and with poor materials. They are essentially the same stores with different names and it bugs me that they are all alike. Sure their merchandise is affordable but I wouldnt call them treasures. Its horrible how we are led to believe we are getting good deals made by some corporate company that really doesnt have any respect. They should be honest and advertise that they sell crap at affordable prices.
Anyway Im glad your all happy with their crap. As long as its comfy right! Who cares who makes it and where the profits go! Its affordable.
Not everything in the discount stores is crap, and if you believe that it is, then I hope you are very happy spending extra money for a designer label that may be manufactured at the same facility, by the same people, from the same materials, as the Wally-world stuff.
And, for what it's worth, people like me who shop at WalMart, know what they are buying. Yes, it's true that the clothing at Macy's, Sak's, and Lord and Taylor (for the most part) is of higher quality, but the $100 T-shirts and the $180 dress shirts are something I can do without (and that's just in the Men's department!).
I shop at WalMart, Target, the local resale shops, Ross, Big Lots, Kohl's. I hit the outlet malls and sometimes even the Macy's and Sak's of the world. Don't know if I can keep up with with Kristi on finding bargains, but it's impossible to pass a sales rack and not stop to look. What can I say? Hi, my name is Laurry and I'm a shopaholic... ;D
So, before we criticize others, downgrade corporations who provide goods and services at reasonable prices, hint that those who shop at Wal-K-get are not concerned about larger global issues, or imply that people who don't buy organically grown naturally dyed hand-stitched designer label products are simply willing dupes of the international corporate aristocracy, maybe we should be happy for our brothers and sisters and share in their excitement.
In the words of Forest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."
....Laurry
Cheap prices come at a big costs.
Slave labor, poorly treated domestic workers, etc.
Plus I refuse to support a company that pulls back a GLBT initiative after pressure from the religious right.
I hate to say this the trans population has yet to really learn the how to's of activism as are G&L brothers and sisters. Only keep loyal to the companies that have proven to stand by your civil rights. Wal-Mart is NOT ONE OF THEM. No transgender anti-discrimination policy is just the start of Wal-Mart's problems, but that alone justifies me not shopping there.
Cheap cloths are not worth supporting a company with a history of discrimination against women, and one that clearly has no problems with the discrimination of transgender individuals.
http://www.queerty.com/news/wal-mart-drops-the-gays-20070622/
Like it or not, more than gay people, we are the targets of discrimination. It is time we start supporting companies that support US. Which means it is about time that we start demanding Transgender nondiscrimination policies from the places we shop at and the companies for products we buy. Is that so much to ask, our own CIVIL RIGHTS. The right to be treated like human beings and not be discriminated against.
http://walmartwatch.com/img/blog/glbt_policy.pdf
The community has alot to to learn. We are so focused internally on problems of our own, that we often forget we have alot of problems with the rest of the world. We just don't know how to effectively address those problems. I will say look to our G&L brothers and sisters for guidance and history. For all the crap they have gotten they have also made massive strides forward. One of the things we can do is shop better (which means from places that support our rights) and to demand from places our rights our respected. Addressing corporations is just as important as addressing the government. We have to shop with our brains people, and that doesn't just mean bargains. It means shopping where we are respected enough where discrimination of trans people is not tolerated by the company.
Quote from: Laurry on June 25, 2007, 12:03:25 AM
Quote from: NatalieCarole on June 24, 2007, 10:20:47 PM
we dont have Walmart here. We have K-mart, Target and Big W. All these stores sell crap manafactured by cheap labor and with poor materials. They are essentially the same stores with different names and it bugs me that they are all alike. Sure their merchandise is affordable but I wouldnt call them treasures. Its horrible how we are led to believe we are getting good deals made by some corporate company that really doesnt have any respect. They should be honest and advertise that they sell crap at affordable prices.
Anyway Im glad your all happy with their crap. As long as its comfy right! Who cares who makes it and where the profits go! Its affordable.
Not everything in the discount stores is crap, and if you believe that it is, then I hope you are very happy spending extra money for a designer label that may be manufactured at the same facility, by the same people, from the same materials, as the Wally-world stuff.
And, for what it's worth, people like me who shop at WalMart, know what they are buying. Yes, it's true that the clothing at Macy's, Sak's, and Lord and Taylor (for the most part) is of higher quality, but the $100 T-shirts and the $180 dress shirts are something I can do without (and that's just in the Men's department!).
I shop at WalMart, Target, the local resale shops, Ross, Big Lots, Kohl's. I hit the outlet malls and sometimes even the Macy's and Sak's of the world. Don't know if I can keep up with with Kristi on finding bargains, but it's impossible to pass a sales rack and not stop to look. What can I say? Hi, my name is Laurry and I'm a shopaholic... ;D
So, before we criticize others, downgrade corporations who provide goods and services at reasonable prices, hint that those who shop at Wal-K-get are not concerned about larger global issues, or imply that people who don't buy organically grown naturally dyed hand-stitched designer label products are simply willing dupes of the international corporate aristocracy, maybe we should be happy for our brothers and sisters and share in their excitement.
In the words of Forest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."
....Laurry
Whatever! Good on you. I hope your happy with your excitement. I shop at these places too. But only because I cant afford not to. Believe me bargains are a pluss and Im happy for those of you who can block out the politics behind it. Its an illusion. Those companies are destroying this planet to bring you cheaper prices.
Amy T says it right. You should listen to her! We need to support those that support us.
How did buying clothes at Walmart turn into a political bashing of cheap labor? If you don't like Walmart, don't shop there. Its easy, don't pull into the parking lot and walk through the doors and spend money there. If you cannot afford to not shop there, then join the rest of the sheeple in line and baaaa.
Personally, I think its great other countries have such cheap labor. It's also beneficial to me. I don't care some little hobbled child is working in a sweat shop to provide me cheap goods. Life is about personal choices and that dollar a day opportunity they have is more than they would have had in the first place. So I say sweat in that shop, eat that swill, and keep bringing me cheap prices.
As far as them bashing gays, bigotry is rampant everywhere.
Quote from: Lori on June 25, 2007, 07:05:18 AM
How did buying clothes at Walmart turn into a political bashing of cheap labor? If you don't like Walmart, don't shop there. Its easy, don't pull into the parking lot and walk through the doors and spend money there. If you cannot afford to not shop there, then join the rest of the sheeple in line and baaaa.
Personally, I think its great other countries have such cheap labor. It's also beneficial to me. I don't care some little hobbled child is working in a sweat shop to provide me cheap goods. Life is about personal choices and that dollar a day opportunity they have is more than they would have had in the first place. So I say sweat in that shop, eat that swill, and keep bringing me cheap prices.
As far as them bashing gays, bigotry is rampant everywhere.
[shaking her head and laughing]
You certainly do not mince words, Lori.
And no, I do not at all mean that in a negative sense.
Quote from: Amy T. on June 25, 2007, 01:22:10 AM
Cheap prices come at a big costs.
Slave labor, poorly treated domestic workers, etc.
Plus I refuse to support a company that pulls back a GLBT initiative after pressure from the religious right.
I just started working there earlier this month. They gave me a raise of $2.00 over my prior job that I had worked at for 4 years, Books-A-Million. There benefits are much higher than what I got at the bookstore also. And I get 10 percent off of everything except food.
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I hate to say this the trans population has yet to really learn the how to's of activism as are G&L brothers and sisters. Only keep loyal to the companies that have proven to stand by your civil rights. Wal-Mart is NOT ONE OF THEM. No transgender anti-discrimination policy is just the start of Wal-Mart's problems, but that alone justifies me not shopping there.
Cheap cloths are not worth supporting a company with a history of discrimination against women, and one that clearly has no problems with the discrimination of transgender individuals.
http://www.queerty.com/news/wal-mart-drops-the-gays-20070622/
Like it or not, more than gay people, we are the targets of discrimination. It is time we start supporting companies that support US. Which means it is about time that we start demanding Transgender nondiscrimination policies from the places we shop at and the companies for products we buy. Is that so much to ask, our own CIVIL RIGHTS. The right to be treated like human beings and not be discriminated against.
http://walmartwatch.com/img/blog/glbt_policy.pdf
The community has alot to to learn. We are so focused internally on problems of our own, that we often forget we have alot of problems with the rest of the world. We just don't know how to effectively address those problems. I will say look to our G&L brothers and sisters for guidance and history. For all the crap they have gotten they have also made massive strides forward. One of the things we can do is shop better (which means from places that support our rights) and to demand from places our rights our respected. Addressing corporations is just as important as addressing the government. We have to shop with our brains people, and that doesn't just mean bargains. It means shopping where we are respected enough where discrimination of trans people is not tolerated by the company.
They do have a anti-discrimination policy that includes gender and sexual orientation. Believe me, I sat through 3 days of online tutorials of 29 modules covering tons of things from safety to their anti-discrimination policies. Included was such things as age, religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, disability. The book store I was at did not have any of those, and only was tolerant becuase of the manager's personality. When she left and was replaced lead to me leaving that company, since he discriminated constantly.
I wish I didn't have to shop there, but I do.
I usually can't find much good in the way of clothes, but occasionally an item, such as a T-shirt or some shorts.
My favorite store is c/Ross Dress For Less. Better stuff and at least as cheap as Wal-Mart.
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Ken/Kendra
There is a BIG difference between gender and gender identity protections. People on this board need to grasp that. Only gender identity anti-discrimination policies and laws protect us. If it does not say "GENDER IDENTITY" there are absolutely no protections if you are transgendered.
As it stands WAL-MART does not have an anti-discrimination policy that protects ones "gender identity" from discrimination...which would be a transgender anti-discrimination policy. Basically Wal-Mart may have one for sexual orientation. But they do not have one protecting gender identity, as much as you think that gender one applies to you, it does not.
If with regards to just gender, Wal-Mart falls FAR short.
Additionally Wal-Mart is currently the target of the largest class action in history for gender discrimination:
http://www.walmartclass.com/public_home.html
As much it is in words they do not discriminate against somebodies gender, it is pretty clear they have issues thier female employees in general.
You should have looked elsewhere for a job, you could have done much better than the $2.00 more for a job.
Holy *&*&$#!
We do have some opinions here, don't we? Makes me wish I had kept my mouth (fingers?) shut. Didn't mean to start a political turf war...but since it's already going...
Quote from: Amy T. on June 25, 2007, 09:08:37 AM
You should have looked elsewhere for a job, you could have done much better than the $2.00 more for a job.
Got any ideas? I'm sure Ken/Kendra would love a cushy office job paying 6 figures.
...Laurry
They made it clear in the test, videos, and rules that ANY discrimination would not be tolerated, and that there is an Open Door on up to the ranks for any type of discrimination. And termination would likely happen. The way they stated it was that discrimination of both things that are apparent, and things that are not fall under the rule. They listed examples that might fall under the each of the two categories of apparent and not appparent things that are not tolerated. There current policy is that discrimination of any kind, besides job performance, is not tolerated.
To me gender is gender. It did not list the word sex. The lawyers know the difference between sex and gender, especially if they were involved with the GLBT community for a period of time.
If I find this is not the case then certainly I will be moving on, but as of now 3 weeks into the job I have seen no problems.
Hehe Office job isnt my thing.
They also offered me $2.50 more then Lowes offered me. And its twice minimum wage which is great for a non managerial, stocking job. I am not even a department lead. In my prime in home improvement as a department lead, I only made as much as they are starting me with.
It's easier to be politically correct and socially conscious when you have adequate financial resources. For myself, I'm not a big fan of Walmart and such places, but as a purely practical matter, due to my limited income at the present time (disability supplemented by a part time job) I do shop there for some things simply because I can get more for my money.
I buy virtually all of my clothing at thrift shops, though. I can experiment nearly endlessly with my looks and my wardrobe, for very cheap. I find expensive designer labels, and even new stuff still with tags on. For years I've made it a practice to buy whatever I can used, not only clothing but furniture, books, and other things. It takes a little more effort sometimes, and patience, but it makes me feel good and enables me to have a much higher material quality of life than I might otherwise.
Karmically, I figure this compensates somewhat for the fact that I buy laundry soap, toilet paper, cat food and underwear at Walmart. I also figure the people who choose to work there have their reasons, and they may be very legitimate ones. It's so easy to tell someone else what to do with their life, when you aren't them.
My favorite store is Maurice's. The sales women are great their sales are great too. Most of their stuff is moderatly priced, but I don't care. I pay for the service as well as clothing. I have never once got the cold shoulder there either.
TJ maxx has great prices but I always get the stares and cold shoulder. They even make me go to the mens dressing room! Needless to say I don't go there very often. Walmart is the same way, but I don't buy clothing there anyhow because it just does'nt fit right.
Kendra,
No offense, I am a lawyer, I know these issues in GREAT detail. If it does not say "gender identity" it really does not mean much for transgender people. Gender is equated with birth sex in non-discrimination policies when they are written, same goes for state laws (unless you live in one of the very small handfull states where gender has been interprated as gender identity, such as NY and Massachuesetts, but they are the exception rather than the rule). If you see gender as gender and not sex as far as the law...well I will tell you right now that interpration in most states would be incorrect, the way the law interprates it is gender=birth sex. There is a reason why the states with transgender protections put in place specifically state "GENDER IDENTITY AND EXPRESSION" as part of transgender protections. That is the way the law works. As much as the transgender population makes the distinction between sex and gender, the legal system for the most part does not make that distinction unless you talk about "gender identity". Unless "Gender Identity" is written into a law or company policy there is NO protection for transgender individuals.
This is a legal distinction, but one that is very important for civil rights issues. If you go under the illusion that gender non-discrimination policies will protect you, you would be very wrong, unless you were fortunate enough to live in one of the very few states that does interprate the law that way.
Also if you really believe in the open door policy is something to be relied on you should read through the forums of this site:
http://www.walmart-blows.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4
The "Open Door Policy" is a farce that has largely been used against the person reporting an issue, not for the person reporting the issue. If you think it is there to protect you from discrimination you are drinking the Kool-Aid and need to do a bit more research into the company you work for. The "Open Door Policy" is more a device built to be used as illusionary device that goes against employees than for them. As much as you think there would be reprecutions, I hate to break it to you, the open door policy has been used against employees on a consistant basis. If you suspect discrimination, it should be the last place you report it to, the state agency such as the Human Rights or Labor Agency should be the first. Wal-Mart has a history of using anything reported to them against their employees.
http://hrw.org/reports/2007/us0507/7.htm#_Toc164069679
You should read up on the history of the company you are working for. Or just wait, the longer you work there the more cynical you will become. They have a well deserved nasty history that is fraught with discrimination, and it might be a good idea to break away from their brainwashing for awhile and read up on the subject.
As it stands they have absolutely no transgender non-discrimination policy.
Sounds like the Open Door Policy is a snare to entrap troublesome employees. How brilliant is that? Almost like having to sign your name on a piece of paper you drop in the suggestion box.
Well if you want your stores run by drones instead of thinkers, this is an ingenious best to weed them out and get them out of there before they start a coup. Nothing worse than free thinkers in today's society.
Quote from: Lori on June 25, 2007, 07:05:18 AM
Personally, I think its great other countries have such cheap labor. It's also beneficial to me. I don't care some little hobbled child is working in a sweat shop to provide me cheap goods. Life is about personal choices and that dollar a day opportunity they have is more than they would have had in the first place. So I say sweat in that shop, eat that swill, and keep bringing me cheap prices.
Lori, please tell me you don't mean that :o ....
To me the issue of sweatshop labour and ensuring basic human rights and a living wage to the workers in the factories where products are sourced is an even bigger concern that a company's treatment of theit UK LGBT workforce (all companies are tied by law in this area anyway) ....
Bargain stores are the worst offenders as they operate on virtually nil margins.
I find racks of shoddy cheap clothes doubly depressing because I know the story behind them :(.
Maybe ethical shopping hasn't caught on in the US ?
Laura x
I haven't been in a wal-mart for years, I don't go to any big box stores if I can help it. I don't like how they've killed off local businesses and converted beautiful farmland to asphalt. Most of my wardrobe is from thrift stores. Of course, I realize that buying used means I've likely bought items made elsewhere. I'm not talented enough to spin my own thread and make my own clothes.
zythyra
Switching to direct PMs.
Quote from: Rhonda on June 24, 2007, 09:28:24 AM
'Target' has a wonderful bra selection. I became totally engrossed in that section for 45 minutes, last week.
Oh really??? I hadn't checked them out. I was shopping at walmart, but I was having trouble finding my current size (too big of a cup size to band size ratio). I had resigned to JCPenney ($20-$30 vs. Walmart's <$10), but I may check out target on your suggestion.
Quote from: Kate on June 24, 2007, 12:05:35 PM
Kohl's is my favorite though... dig through the clearance racks and you can find $13 slacks, $6 tops... all really nice stuff too. Most of the ordinary stuff is sorta on permanent sale too.
I'll have to try that too. A new one was built about a mile away from my apartment. I had never been to it, but it may be worth checking out. Actually, there's a whole bunch of new stores over there that I may have to spend time going through.
Anyone in the market for some slightly used 40Cs...I won't be needing them in a couple weeks!
Quote from: melissa90299 on June 26, 2007, 03:39:47 PM
Anyone in the market for some slightly used 40Cs...I won't be needing them in a couple weeks!
Sorry, way too large of a band size for me.
Melissa, if your ready spend 25$ (though they're often on sale at 16-18, they'res plenty of wonderbras and playtex in D cups, at least around here.
Bras last quite awhile if you take care of them and I prefer spending 10 dollars more and being comfortable. Though, I've never really found even the cheep brands uncomfortable so iI'm not sure where the "torture device" thing comes from. Maybe its torture because people buy the wrong size?
I can wear a bra 36 hour straight and forget its even there. Without a bra, at the end of 10 hours, I'm starting to wish it was there.
Thanks Keira. My breasts keep going up and down in size. I actually was able to fit into one of my C-cup bras today. It just gets frustrating having a body that's constantly changing shape.
Quote from: Kate on June 24, 2007, 12:05:35 PM
Oh I love Walmart [she says, wiggling her cute sandals from there]!
~Kate~
Nice, I wish that I could find sandals in a store. Unfortunately, with size 12s (mens) maybe it is for the best.