Author: Juniper Russo Source: Addicting Info
On Monday, Todd Kincannon, a former South Carolina GOP executive, unleashed a series of tweets saying that he'd like to "round up" transgender people and place them into concentration camps.
On Monday, Todd Kincannon tweeted, "There are people who respect transgender rights. And there are people who think you should all be put in a camp. That's me."
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Well it's nice to know that the GOP aren't satisfied that they've shot themselves in the foot enough lately. They had to go a step further. However, I know this sounds cynical but I'll be surprised if a large number of people really care what he said.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/16/gop-politician-wants-concentration-camps-trans-people/
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Oh dear.
It seems someone was feeling starved of attention. ::)
Yeah don't you just love how the Republicans have embraced the crazy far right. And they wonder why Obama won last November they need to kick the Tea Party and their backwoods beliefs to the curve and move the party back too the center. I used too vote Republican but after all the hate they have been spewing the last few years I cannot support them.
Seems like he doesn't have an inkling of a notion of the meaning of Constitutional rights and thinks it's rather selective in it's intent as do most of the politicians on either side of the political aisle in DC.
We have some kooky elements in our main Australian conservative party (ironically their party name is the Liberals, but I believe it was originally a reference to economic not social liberalism), but nothing quite so extreme. Those kind of comments usually get howled down although it still doesn't stop some of them from making them - one senator claimed gay marriage would lead to polygamy and bestiality!
If people can now find it ridiculous that somebody is persecuted for loving somebody of the same sex then I am confident that one day people will look back and find it ridiculous that people were persecuted for changing sex. The GOP don't represent the good people of this world. We'll have our justice one day. But sadly, not today.
I can concentrate just fine. Thank you very much.
Quote from: Dreams2014 on October 17, 2013, 02:04:38 PM
If people can now find it ridiculous that somebody is persecuted for loving somebody of the same sex then I am confident that one day people will look back and find it ridiculous that people were persecuted for changing sex. The GOP don't represent the good people of this world. We'll have our justice one day. But sadly, not today.
The problem with the GOP is they are being run into the ground by a bunch of old white men who refuse to face the reality that the 1950's are long gone and the world is a different place now where being trans or being gay isn't illegal. The really need to take a look at the world around them and notice people are not all the same and we all have a place in this society. If the GOP keeps this up they won't be a party much longer.
Quote from: Heather on October 17, 2013, 02:16:03 PM
The problem with the GOP is they are being run into the ground by a bunch of old white men who refuse to face the reality that the 1950's are long gone and the world is a different place now where being trans or being gay isn't illegal. The really need to take a look at the world around them and notice people are not all the same and we all have a place in this society. If the GOP keeps this up they won't be a party much longer.
In a way, I pity people with outdated views. We can't just expect them to change after everything they'd known was swept from underneath them very quickly. People alive today who lived through the 1950's have had to experience great economic prosperity, followed by the great threat of Nuclear war, plus all the other wars and not only that but massive technological advancement that they struggle to get their heads around. It's a completely different world. So I really do pity them in a way.
That Kincannon is really entertaining. Of course for some of you transpeople it might be triggering. I myself just enjoy messing with people like him. There ought to be a law against bigots running for office.
Quote from: ZootAllures/BlackNapkins! on October 17, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
There ought to be a law against bigots running for office.
A law shouldn't be necessary the voters should be intelligent enough to vote sane people into office.
Quote from: Heather on October 17, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
A law shouldn't be necessary the voters should be intelligent enough to vote sane people into office.
i shall weep for america.
Quote from: Heather on October 17, 2013, 02:16:03 PM
The problem with the GOP is they are being run into the ground by a bunch of old white men who refuse to face the reality that the 1950's are long gone and the world is a different place now where being trans or being gay isn't illegal. The really need to take a look at the world around them and notice people are not all the same and we all have a place in this society. If the GOP keeps this up they won't be a party much longer.
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The times, they are a-changin'Left to right -
Former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice
Senator Marco Rubio of Florida (and family)
Representative Tim Scott of South Carolina
Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico
Former Governor of Alaska and Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin
Former Chairman of the Republican Party Ken Mehlman
Note that African-American Republican congressman Tim Scott comes from the same state is that knucklehead nobody Kincannon.
And let's not forget ...
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Purported second type woman Ann Coulter ;)
Seriously though, no sense bashing an entire group of people for stupid insensitive statements made by one person. That would be like bashing the Democrats as racists because they kept re-electing Ku Klux Klan member Robert Byrd to lead the Senate.
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Coming from the UK it's extremely difficult to understand how far to the right the GOP is. Our Conservative Party would be considered socialist in the US... not to mention the Norwegian Conservatives. We've had our own nut-cases and bigots from Mosley to Maxwell-Fyfe to Nick Griffin, but it seems that not a day passes without a story like this coming from the GOP!
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 17, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
Seriously though, no sense bashing an entire group of people for stupid insensitive statements made by one person. That would be like bashing the Democrats as racists because they kept re-electing Ku Klux Klan member Robert Byrd to lead the Senate.
I don't recall saying I was a Democrat you can bash them all you like. ;) But the truth is the Republican party is dying because they can't evolve and change with the times. The stunt of the past few weeks proves that they are out of control they are willing to sink the entire world economy just to make a point. They are dangerous because they are letting fear control them and they are imploding and I'm afraid I'm going to have to pay the price for their fear. :-\
Quote from: Heather on October 17, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
I don't recall saying I was a Democrat you can bash them all you like. ;) But the truth is the Republican party is dying because they can't evolve and change with the times. The stunt of the past few weeks proves that they are out of control they are willing to sink the entire world economy just to make a point. They are dangerous because they are letting fear control them and they are imploding and I'm afraid I'm going to have to pay the price for their fear. :-\
Stunt? Many of those members of the House were elected with a mandate to delay and/or repeal socialistic programs such as Obamacare. The real stunt was pulled off by Hairy Reid and Barack 0bama for failing to engage in any sort of negotiation.
From January 1955 to January 1995, the Republicans were the minority party in the House of Representatives, and again from January 2007 to January 2011.
Since 1995, the Republicans have been in the majority in the House for 14 out of 18 years. Doesn't sound like a dying party to me. And when you consider that roughly 40% of the electorate considers itself "conservative," roughly 40% " moderate," and only 20% "liberal" (Gallup research), the Republican party has fertile ground if they can get past their evangelical faction.
I don't know which is less thought out, this, or Kim Jong Un's attempt to make a luxury ski resort in North Korea.
The way I see it, for every This Guy there's a Democrat talking about drowning Mr. Cruz, or claiming that all Tea Party members want to bring back racism/are secretly the Ku Klux Klan/etc., or trying to make homeschooling illegal.
The difference is, one of those opinions makes the national news (on the vast majority of public channels) on a regular basis. And when the nation is fed a continuous diet of "Oh, those horrible Republicans", they start voting that way to follow it up. And what once was a nation of nearly even political split becomes a nation of the enfranchised Far Left, the enfranchised Center, and the disenfranchised Right.
And so we get to this situation - where the conservative half of America is just supposed to ... What, exactly? Shut up, sit down, and be steered left? Become Democrats? Settle for the political table scraps?
The Republican Party is dying. It's dying because it's too Right for the Left and too Left for the Right. Because it screws up every major event. But the conservative side of America is not. It will come back - maybe in the Libertarian party, maybe in an official Tea Party - and the media will keep lambasting it from the moment it re-emerges. Will this new party be strong and undivided enough to fight through?
Maybe. Who knows? But I certainly hope it does, because multiple opinions are the backbone of this nation, even if we always think the other side is nuts.
Quote from: Dreams2014 on October 17, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
Well it's nice to know that the GOP aren't satisfied that they've shot themselves in the foot enough lately. They had to go a step further. However, I know this sounds cynical but I'll be surprised if a large number of people really care what he said.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/16/gop-politician-wants-concentration-camps-trans-people/
To my knowledge, this Kincannon has never held elective office. Sounds more like an
apparatchik. You are correct, no one who matters is going to pay him any attention.
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 17, 2013, 03:31:34 PM
Stunt? Many of those members of the House were elected with a mandate to delay and/or repeal socialistic programs such as Obamacare. The real stunt was pulled off by Hairy Reid and Barack 0bama for failing to engage in any sort of negotiation.
From January 1955 to January 1995, the Republicans were the minority party in the House of Representatives, and again from January 2007 to January 2011.
Since 1995, the Republicans have been in the majority in the House for 14 out of 18 years. Doesn't sound like a dying party to me. And when you consider that roughly 40% of the electorate considers itself "conservative," roughly 40% " moderate," and only 20% "liberal" (Gallup research), the Republican party has fertile ground if they can get past their evangelical faction.
You do realize the Republicans held both the house and the senate and the presidency from 01-07 and yet in all that time they did not try to push forward their own healthcare overhaul. And the stunt they pulled in the last few weeks was nothing but a temper tantrum by a bunch of over grown children. If they had the mandate we would be talking about president Romney right now. ;) They were put in office to balance out power not to high jack the government because they don't like the president who was elected by a overwhelming majority of the voters and this was after Obamacare. :)
Quote from: Miss Bungle on October 17, 2013, 05:20:08 PM
The way I see it, all politicians suck. I don't care what side they are on. It's just two sides of the same tarnished coin. It makes no difference to me at all. As far as that concentration camp crap is concerned: any idiot that honestly thinks they are going to put me in some camp has another thing coming. I have no problem resisting and possibly dying in the defense of my own personal freedom.
But what if we get to have marshmellows around a camp fire? :O
That guy Todd (who the article notes isn't currently elected) is just an attention seeking sad excuse for a human. He's clearly going out of his way to be offensive and is relishing it - he's hardly worth writing about. That said, some of the most obnoxious homophobes have often been caught out having homosexual relationships, their vocal hatred a form of self denial and/or subterfuge. And I do think Todd doth protest too much, perhaps he's trying to deny his inner Toddweena (yes, I'm kidding)...??
Quote from: Grace_C on October 17, 2013, 05:42:09 PM
That guy Todd (who the article notes isn't currently elected) is just an attention seeking sad excuse for a human. He's clearly going out of his way to be offensive and is relishing it - he's hardly worth writing about. That said, some of the most obnoxious homophobes have often been caught out having homosexual relationships, their vocal hatred a form of self denial and/or subterfuge. And I do think Todd doth protest too much, perhaps he's trying to deny his inner Toddweena (yes, I'm kidding)...??
So maybe he has dysphoria and he's just devastated he's in completely the wrong political party for it? ;)
Quote from: Grace_C on October 17, 2013, 05:42:09 PM
That guy Todd (who the article notes isn't currently elected) is just an attention seeking sad excuse for a human. He's clearly going out of his way to be offensive and is relishing it - he's hardly worth writing about. That said, some of the most obnoxious homophobes have often been caught out having homosexual relationships, their vocal hatred a form of self denial and/or subterfuge. And I do think Todd doth protest too much, perhaps he's trying to deny his inner Toddweena (yes, I'm kidding)...??
Grace, you are so right! I've seen that so many times where someone goes off the charts over some GLBT issue and it turns out later that they have similar skeletons in their own closet.
Quote from: Miss Bungle on October 17, 2013, 06:22:00 PM
Well, also, some people have probably used the same methods to stay in the closet and not come out as trans. I know I did. I remember when I was in high school, I used to say some pretty screwed up homophobic and sexist stuff just to go along with the others.
Sure, it was dumb as hell but that is the way it was back then. Now I just look back on it and shake my head.
You mean when you were a kid you called someone a morphydite or some such thing? :D ;D :laugh:
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 17, 2013, 03:31:34 PM
Stunt? Many of those members of the House were elected with a mandate to delay and/or repeal socialistic programs such as Obamacare. The real stunt was pulled off by Hairy Reid and Barack 0bama for failing to engage in any sort of negotiation.
From January 1955 to January 1995, the Republicans were the minority party in the House of Representatives, and again from January 2007 to January 2011.
Since 1995, the Republicans have been in the majority in the House for 14 out of 18 years. Doesn't sound like a dying party to me. And when you consider that roughly 40% of the electorate considers itself "conservative," roughly 40% " moderate," and only 20% "liberal" (Gallup research), the Republican party has fertile ground if they can get past their evangelical faction.
No surprise on the stats you provided. It's easy to win a gerrymandered district... ::)
Think it's going to be more interesting once Texas turns purple. ;D Not to mention the base of the Republican party is literally dying. If anything, Republicans should be frightened that their association of "socialism" with everything they disagree with is making younger people think it's not such a bad idea.
Quote from: Miss Bungle on October 17, 2013, 06:40:35 PM
:D No. What is a morphydite?
Beats me! Was suppose to be some kind of gender related slur.
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 17, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
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The times, they are a-changin'
Left to right -
Former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice
Senator Marco Rubio of Florida (and family)
Representative Tim Scott of South Carolina
Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico
Former Governor of Alaska and Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin
Former Chairman of the Republican Party Ken Mehlman
Note that African-American Republican congressman Tim Scott comes from the same state is that knucklehead nobody Kincannon.
And let's not forget ...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-y7sePZJXJQI%2FTe60Gj3pTaI%2FAAAAAAAAEz4%2FKyHk7ks6U3U%2Fs320%2Fanncoulter_bgbjo.jpg&hash=74d3d195550e038e6e588de8327127a8f3bf076f)
Purported second type woman Ann Coulter ;)
Seriously though, no sense bashing an entire group of people for stupid insensitive statements made by one person. That would be like bashing the Democrats as racists because they kept re-electing Ku Klux Klan member Robert Byrd to lead the Senate.
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Thank you for proving that crazy isn't an exclusive quality of old white men. ;) I kid.
Glad to see you back Jamie.
As for the democratic party, there have been major shifts in party demographics. The democratic party in the old south isn't really representative of the the democratic party of today. The Dixiecrats aren't really a thing of today and it was a huge problem for the democratic party. Most northern democrats hated the likes of George Wallace and wanted to have nothing to do with him. The civil rights movement changed party identities a lot (much like the Reagan era but that's a whole other issue) There is a reason Strom Thurmond left the democratic party and became a huge republican. And whether one likes Robert Byrd, I don't at all, remember he did denounce his affiliation and fought for civil rights for much of his career. Yeah, I think his past was disgraceful and would have never voted for him, but it's not like the voters embraced the kkk.
I could care less about this politician. He's irrelevant. Sadly many people feel negatively towards us and that's the way things are. You don't need to have a d or an r in front of your party name, it comes from everywhere. While I do think most of the aggressive hostility comes from the right, there are those in the left that cater to the lgbt community while mocking them in private. Believe me, I have personally witnessed anti-lgbt sentiments from some very surprising sources. Glad to be out of the political field as it drove me crazy, lol.
Quote from: Heather on October 17, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
You do realize the Republicans held both the house and the senate and the presidency from 01-07 and yet in all that time they did not try to push forward their own healthcare overhaul. And the stunt they pulled in the last few weeks was nothing but a temper tantrum by a bunch of over grown children. If they had the mandate we would be talking about president Romney right now. ;) They were put in office to balance out power not to high jack the government because they don't like the president who was elected by a overwhelming majority of the voters and this was after Obamacare. :)
I would argue that Federalism would suggest that health care was a local issue, that Congress should stay out of. I would also argue that a key tenet of socialism is centrally-planned, socialized medicine.
We have members from all parts of the world, many who fall under socialized systems. I wonder how many feel they have as good health care as they want?
That Romney did not win does not negate the fact that the 2010 election, after the enactment of the so-called Affordable (sic) Care Act, resulted in a monumental shift in the House, directly attributable to the Obamacare debacle. That is a mandate, and that majority was retained in 2012.
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 17, 2013, 11:28:02 PM
I would argue that Federalism would suggest that health care was a local issue, that Congress should stay out of. I would also argue that a key tenet of socialism is centrally-planned, socialized medicine.
We have members from all parts of the world, many who fall under socialized systems. I wonder how many feel they have as good health care as they want?
That Romney did not win does not negate the fact that the 2010 election, after the enactment of the so-called Affordable (sic) Care Act, resulted in a monumental shift in the House, directly attributable to the Obamacare debacle. That is a mandate, and that majority was retained in 2012.
Well first off I'm not for socialism and I do enjoy the healthcare system as it is. But that's because I have awesome coverage and I don't have to worry much. But I imagine if I was one of the uninsured I'd probably not be too happy with the current system. But that's the way things are how you view healthcare is based off your own point of view.
Now the sensible thing for the Republicans to have done would have been to not shutdown the government and let things play out as is. Because if Obamacare does as poorly as they hope it too they will easily win the house and the senate back but now since they went off and did what they did they look like they are not fit to lead.
Now I will admit this country needs to get back on track financially and I am a fiscal conservative but where I have a problem with the current group of Republicans is the pandering to the far right who if they could I honestly believe they would throw us into camps and claim it to be for the children and family values. I'll be honest I used to vote Republican until after 08 when the tea party rose too prominence and started saying some outrageous stuff about the president. Now I'm by know means a huge Obama fan but calling him the antichrist is a bit out there and I couldn't go with that. But ultimately I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican I believe the left and right way of thinking are flawed and should be done away with. ;)
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 17, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
And let's not forget ...
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Purported second type woman Ann Coulter ;)
Its funny after spending most of the day beating myself up about my forehead seeing her forehead doesn't make me feel as bad anymore. ;D
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