Serious question, I know alot of other trans people or homosexuals who find it shocking that I don't agree with it and make it seem like I have to because the T just so happens to be with the L,G and B, But I'm not trying to offend anyone I just happen to be very religious
You don't HAVE to do much but live and die. But why would you want to. You can be very religious and be very accepting of homosexuality. Your choice.
No, you don't have to agree with it. There are a couple of other people here that thinks it's a sin too. I do admit it was a shock to me at first, but it wore off. Even though I personally don't see it as a sin based upon my exegesis of the Bible, I don't condemn other Christians for believing it's a sin.
I normally avoid this area but i wanted to comment and give alittle more understanding.I was raised in a very strict conservative christian home and yes,the very hateful bigoted kind.I was taught the normal *God hates this and that,over here and there* and for me,that was what i *thought* was supposed to happen.BUT the older i got,the closer to God I got myself and on a personal level.The more i did,the more HE showed me what was true and false.And i thought to myself *If the bible says that jesus died for ALL and loves all,why would he be against anyone for anything?* So you could say that i had a long period of *checking* the information fed to me.And what i found is that MANY people *the more hateful ones* forget that he DOES love ALL people,regardless of anything and everything *well other then one thing but* Jesus died so that we may find remission of sins and thats because we ALL need him,regardless of what we have done.That being said,To him-ALL sin is the same *other then one like i said* so what if one lies? we can be against it but not judge,hate or turn away someone who does it.We can love everyone unconditionally just like he says to do while keeping our morals and beliefs.Jesus forgave MANY kinds of people and loved them,no matter where they were from,what they did,who they were with but it was his uncondtional love and acceptance,that made people realize that-he WAS different and IS.Many now a days completely twist who he is and what he stood for to fit their own hatred and bias beliefs but no matter what you agree with or dont,never push anyone away,and love all man kind always
As its said *Love the sinner but not the sin* you dont need to point out that what someone does,is a sin-love them In SPITE of the sin and that is unconditional love.Loving someone regardless of their flaws,sins,looks,love them because they have a soul and are human.
I feel like i need to give you two examples so that i do not come off wrong.Below i want to make it clear what i mean.This comes to *how would jesus handle it*
Situation: A gay man comes up and says hello.getting to know him,he opens up about his life and his likes/dislikes,being over all friendly but not in a malice way.
Here you have two choices.1) out right point the finger and tell him hes commiting a sin and tell him what he *should do* right and how he should live is life.Or 2) you can simply say *I do not care if you are black or white,rich or poor,gay or straight,up or down.i love you for who YOU are.*
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 09:30:33 PM
I normally avoid this area but i wanted to comment and give alittle more understanding.I was raised in a very strict conservative christian home and yes,the very hateful bigoted kind.I was taught the normal *God hates this and that,over here and there* and for me,that was what i *thought* was supposed to happen.BUT the older i got,the closer to God I got myself and on a personal level.The more i did,the more HE showed me what was true and false.And i thought to myself *If the bible says that jesus died for ALL and loves all,why would he be against anyone for anything?* So you could say that i had a long period of *checking* the information fed to me.And what i found is that MANY people *the more hateful ones* forget that he DOES love ALL people,regardless of anything and everything *well other then one thing but* Jesus died so that we may find remission of sins and thats because we ALL need him,regardless of what we have done.That being said,To him-ALL sin is the same *other then one like i said* so what if one lies? we can be against it but not judge,hate or turn away someone who does it.We can love everyone unconditionally just like he says to do while keeping our morals and beliefs.Jesus forgave MANY kinds of people and loved them,no matter where they were from,what they did,who they were with but it was his uncondtional love and acceptance,that made people realize that-he WAS different and IS.Many now a days completely twist who he is and what he stood for to fit their own hatred and bias beliefs but no matter what you agree with or dont,never push anyone away,and love all man kind always
I understand that, But God hates the sin not the sinner, It's like a parent sometimes they hate the decisions you make but they hate the decision not the decision maker,Yes not sin is greater but their are also abomnations which some of may not agree but it means he despises it, I don't think homosexuaility should be considered that but unfortunately it's Yes I feel that people should love whom ever they want but I don't think thoes were Gods intentions
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
I understand that, But God hates the sin not the sinner, It's like a parent sometimes they hate the decisions you make but they hate the decision not the decision maker,Yes not sin is greater but their are also abomnations which some of may not agree but it means he despises it, I don't think homosexuaility should be considered that but unfortunately it's Yes I feel that people should love whom ever they want but I don't think thoes were Gods intentions
Regardless of what God states/doesnt state,What we have to understand is that there is one right judge and just like anyone else,we will be judged too.I myself have been judged most of my life and over the stupidest things and by the same people who claimed to *Know God* when they didnt know their a** from a hole in the ground.I know in my life that i will set him as a good example and that he is,exactly as HE says he is.I myself do not want to stand before him and one of those things being that i did not love and accept someone because of ANY reason.
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Regardless of what God states/doesnt state,What we have to understand is that there is one right judge and just like anyone else,we will be judged too.I myself have been judged most of my life and over the stupidest things and by the same people who claimed to *Know God* when they didnt know their a** from a hole in the ground.I know in my life that i will set him as a good example and that he is,exactly as HE says he is.I myself do not want to stand before him and one of those things being that i did not love and accept someone because of ANY reason.
I'm not jugding anyone, But I'm gonna deny that some peoples lifestyles are wrong gay or not, Having sex before marriage is wrong, But no Im not gonna point at you and say your going to hell, But it sure is real you can't just enter the kingdom of heaven any kind of way you have to live according to the word, And I'm not going to hell for condoning something I kno w is wrong
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
Serious question, I know alot of other trans people or homosexuals who find it shocking that I don't agree with it and make it seem like I have to because the T just so happens to be with the L,G and B, But I'm not trying to offend anyone I just happen to be very religious
I personally don't think that with trans people, the concept of straight or gay much apply.
If you are a pre-op FtM and you are with a female is it a "sin"? Or if you are with a male?
Are you defining yourself by your "mind sex," or by your genitalia?
Are you saying that of you have "front hole" sex with a natal male, you are homosexual, even though you might conceive?
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
Yes I feel that people should love whom ever they want but I don't think thoes were Gods intentions
Couldn't the same thing be said about being trans? If you think about it if Gods intention was for us to be born in the the gender we believe to be correct we would have been. And you could totally make the argument that us taking matters into our own hands by transitioning we are playing God and saying He/She made a mistake. I think it would wrong too call out gay people for being sinners without looking at ourselves first. Just because we seem to in a gray area according to biblical law doesn't mean were not sinning by transitioning. Somehow I highly suspect if people had the ability to transition back in biblical times it would be considered an abomination just like homosexuality.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
I'm not jugding anyone, But I'm gonna deny that some peoples lifestyles are wrong gay or not, Having sex before marriage is wrong, But no Im not gonna point at you and say your going to hell, But it sure is real you can't just enter the kingdom of heaven any kind of way you have to live according to the word, And I'm not going to hell for condoning something I kno w is wrong
This is where I disagree Brandon. That is known as "Lordship Salvation" which I believe is a damnable heresy.
Even lying is enough to condemn is to hell.
We all have our sins. There are only 4 sins (that I believe a true believer would never commit in the first place) that will send a person to hell and none of those sins include homosexuality.
It's a good thing we are saved by grace. Otherwise, we
all would go to hell.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
I'm not jugding anyone, But I'm gonna deny that some peoples lifestyles are wrong gay or not, Having sex before marriage is wrong, But no Im not gonna point at you and say your going to hell, But it sure is real you can't just enter the kingdom of heaven any kind of way you have to live according to the word, And I'm not going to hell for condoning something I kno w is wrong
To even be more clear.We are ONLY here to love and pass along what he tells us to but it also states to never judge,ever and that,that is HIS job.Only one sin that wont be forgiven and that is NOT two men loving each other emotionally.I do not believe that two people of the same sex,living and loving one another is a sin,in any way.Tho many do claim that *having sexual relations* is what states this *abomination*.Even back then,what determined you were married was having sexual relations.there wasnt paper work or anything else,or even a ring.I remember the first girlfriend i had *before i knew i was trans* and there for awhile *this was while i was still blind to the truth on a few things* i felt lost.Even though i repented *thinking i commited this horrid sin* this nagging feeling would not leave me alone.After a long time,i realized that it was something to do with me.I knew that IF i commited a sin,he had forgiven me but something was going on that I couldnt move past.It was then that i realized that the battle taking place inside me was over WHO i was and not the *sin* i had commited.To say that,how could i commit a sin as a male? my body was female but everything inside was not.and me and my ex girlfriend even stopped having sexual relations for a very long time and it was still there but it was LONG after that i finally realized.Even the bible says that the body is NOT who you are and that it was the temple of God.That someday it would be reborn.I feel that many base not wisdom on this subject but what they are taught.From someone who has not only experienced it first hand but someone who just knows,i would take some personal time alone with him and let HIM show you what it means,not what others *say* it means.
And how are you *condoning* someone you love unconditionally? Jesus didnt condone anything but he also didnt prosecute them over it either.Let me give you an example.There were two men on the cross with jesus was there not?
*One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." 42 And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" 43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."*
He didnt stop to ask *are you gay?* and God knows everything about every single person.the fact was that this man took his punishment honestly and KNEW he did wrong and repented.Why cant WE offer people the same in return? LOVE them regardless of what sins/crimes we *think* they have commited
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 19, 2013, 10:00:43 PM
I personally don't think that with trans people, the concept of straight or gay much apply.
If you are a pre-op FtM and you are with a female is it a "sin"? Or if you are with a male?
Are you defining yourself by your "mind sex," or by your genitalia?
Are you saying that of you have "front hole" sex with a natal male, you are homosexual, even though you might conceive?
Sexual orientation s different from gender, Im a straight male who likes females, Theirfore I'm not homosexual
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
Couldn't the same thing be said about being trans? If you think about it if Gods intention was for us to be born in the the gender we believe to be correct we would have been. And you could totally make the argument that us taking matters into our own hands by transitioning we are playing God and saying He/She made a mistake. I think it would wrong too call out gay people for being sinners without looking at ourselves first. Just because we seem to in a gray area according to biblical law doesn't mean were not sinning by transitioning. Somehow I highly suspect if people had the ability to transition back in biblical times it would be considered an abomination just like homosexuality.
Yea but being trans is a birth defect, though and God said nothing about transgenders in the bible though, God does look at the heart but two men being together verses fixing a birth defect are two seperate things
Brandon,
I hope this helps with your question about sin and abomination.
1 John 5: 16,17
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
A sin not unto death is a sin in which there is forgiveness.
A sin unto death is an abomination or sin of which there is no forgiveness.
An abomination or sin unto death would be blasphemy of the Holy ghost or speaking against the Holy Ghost. Since Peter said all scripture was given as holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost speaking against the word or the words of Jesus are not forgivable. Willfully sinning is another as another. Christ was to be crucified once and not to be recrucified. As written the redemption of their soul is precious and ceaseth forever.
If you feel something is a sin or an abomination the best thing to do is always go towards the Lord and never away. Towards obedience and never towards that which could be rebellion either knowingly or unknowingly.
I hope this helps.
I wish you well with your faith.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:19:48 PM
Sexual orientation s different from gender, Im a straight male who likes females, Theirfore I'm not homosexual
I think you are missing their point.You are claiming that the physical body determines this sin as an abomination but not taking into account that unless you have had SRS,that physical body is still as it was at birth,so in your own words-anyone who is phyically male *for example* and with another male,is an abomination.I honestly think now is a good time to go to him and seek him out for answers and let HIM show you what the truth is.
Quote from: Malachite on October 19, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
This is where I disagree Brandon. That is known as "Lordship Salvation" which I believe is a damnable heresy.
Even lying is enough to condemn is to hell.
We all have our sins. There are only 4 sins (that I believe a true believer would never commit in the first place) that will send a person to hell and none of those sins include homosexuality.
It's a good thing we are saved by grace. Otherwise, we all would go to hell.
Uh their are alot of sins that will cause you to go to hell like lying because God will not even judge a lier he will judge a murdere befor the lier, Just because were save by grace does not mean were exempt from hell that includes homosexuals
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:08:58 PM
To even be more clear.We are ONLY here to love and pass along what he tells us to but it also states to never judge,ever and that,that is HIS job.Only one sin that wont be forgiven and that is NOT two men loving each other emotionally.I do not believe that two people of the same sex,living and loving one another is a sin,in any way.Tho many do claim that *having sexual relations* is what states this *abomination*.Even back then,what determined you were married was having sexual relations.there wasnt paper work or anything else,or even a ring.I remember the first girlfriend i had *before i knew i was trans* and there for awhile *this was while i was still blind to the truth on a few things* i felt lost.Even though i repented *thinking i commited this horrid sin* this nagging feeling would not leave me alone.After a long time,i realized that it was something to do with me.I knew that IF i commited a sin,he had forgiven me but something was going on that I couldnt move past.It was then that i realized that the battle taking place inside me was over WHO i was and not the *sin* i had commited.To say that,how could i commit a sin as a male? my body was female but everything inside was not.and me and my ex girlfriend even stopped having sexual relations for a very long time and it was still there but it was LONG after that i finally realized.Even the bible says that the body is NOT who you are and that it was the temple of God.That someday it would be reborn.I feel that many base not wisdom on this subject but what they are taught.From someone who has not only experienced it first hand but someone who just knows,i would take some personal time alone with him and let HIM show you what it means,not what others *say* it means.
And how are you *condoning* someone you love unconditionally? Jesus didnt condone anything but he also didnt prosecute them over it either.Let me give you an example.There were two men on the cross with jesus was there not?
*One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." 42 And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" 43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."*
He didnt stop to ask *are you gay?* and God knows everything about every single person.the fact was that this man took his punishment honestly and KNEW he did wrong and repented.Why cant WE offer people the same in return? LOVE them regardless of what sins/crimes we *think* they have commited
Jugding is in oppion and its not jugding if you know it's wrong, Regardless I'm still not condoning your sin knoow will I flat out point at you and say our going to hell no, But if you ask for my oppion, I'm not gonna surgar coat it
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:26:19 PM
Uh their are alot of sins that will cause you to go to hell like lying because God will not even judge a lier he will judge a murdere befor the lier, Just because were save by grace does not mean were exempt from hell that includes homosexuals
Im sorry to tell you,he judges ALL sin in front of his throne and all at the same time.No sin is greater then the other so a murderer doesnt get judged before a liar but at the same time.And i will say this again and if you are unwilling to listen then i will post some things for you from his own mouth.Gods word goes beyond the physical body and so do we as followers.Even if being transgender was a defect,it still surpass's the physical and the body should never be singled out when it comes to this *abomination* call it the will of God but regardless,you can NOT claim that it is ok for a transgender person to commit in physical sins *because they have a *defect* while condeming everyone else.
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
I think you are missing their point.You are claiming that the physical body determines this sin as an abomination but not taking into account that unless you have had SRS,that physical body is still as it was at birth,so in your own words-anyone who is phyically male *for example* and with another male,is an abomination.I honestly think now is a good time to go to him and seek him out for answers and let HIM show you what the truth is.
No If you identify as male and is having sex and or dating other males your sinning and vice versa, I'm not sinning I identify as male and I'm hetrosexual.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:26:19 PM
Uh their are alot of sins that will cause you to go to hell like lying because God will not even judge a lier he will judge a murdere befor the lier, Just because were save by grace does not mean were exempt from hell that includes homosexuals
A true believer can never lose their salvation, therefore a true believe IS exempt from hell. I have tons of Bible verses that proves that. I don't believe that a true believer MUST repent of their sins to be saved or stay saved.
Brandon,
"Judge not" has been widely misunderstood.
A Christian is commanded to go into the world and share their faith. Not to beat people over the head but to share the light of life within them when asked.
When it comes to sin and abomination they are commanded to reprove, rebuke and exhort. Show err, teach truth and give a hope. All three parts.
When a Christian manifests that which is wrong they are not judging. They are passing on the truth and allowing the person who hears them to decide who is right.
It is the Lord who judges from the communication of the two involved.
Love is warning people of impending danger such as a bridge that is out or even hell.
I hope this helps with this area of a matter widely misunderstood.
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:32:58 PM
Im sorry to tell you,he judges ALL sin in front of his throne and all at the same time.No sin is greater then the other so a murderer doesnt get judged before a liar but at the same time.And i will say this again and if you are unwilling to listen then i will post some things for you from his own mouth.Gods word goes beyond the physical body and so do we as followers.Even if being transgender was a defect,it still surpass's the physical and the body should never be singled out when it comes to this *abomination* call it the will of God but regardless,you can NOT claim that it is ok for a transgender person to commit in physical sins *because they have a *defect* while condeming everyone else.
No he will not judge a lier because everything that comes out of your mouth will be a lie, Read the bible its in their he's just gonna tell you to depart from me, And as far as being trans I'm not having sex before I'm married nor will I do anything in this physicall body so technically no unless your comfortable enough to that but at the moment I'm not, I may be young but I have alot of wisdom and knowlage
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
I understand that, But God hates the sin not the sinner...I don't think homosexuaility should be considered that but unfortunately it's Yes I feel that people should love whom ever they want but I don't think thoes were Gods intentions
Hi Brandon! :)
First I understand how difficult it can be to reconcile your religious beliefs with your identity. I think a lot of people go through that and Malachite was kind enough to point me towards the resources found in the Christianity section to help me make sense of them.
I think you've sort of answered your own question when you said God hates the sin not the sinner. This means that the Lord in his infinite wisdom is the only one who can determine what is actually a sin. Yes, we are given guidelines in His word but when it comes to topics where there is a lot left to interpretation-this topic for example-I don't think we can determine what "God's intentions" are. When in doubt, pray on it. If your beliefs remain the same that's fine but I'm glad you're seeking other opinions before you do so.
Quote from: Del on October 19, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Brandon,
"Judge not" has been widely misunderstood.
A Christian is commanded to go into the world and share their faith. Not to beat people over the head but to share the light of life within them when asked.
When it comes to sin and abomination they are commanded to reprove, rebuke and exhort. Show err, teach truth and give a hope. All three parts.
When a Christian manifests that which is wrong they are not judging. They are passing on the truth and allowing the person who hears them to decide who is right.
It is the Lord who judges from the communication of the two involved.
Love is warning people of impending danger such as a bridge that is out or even hell.
I hope this helps with this area of a matter widely misunderstood.
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That's true alot of people don't get that
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:29:46 PM
Jugding is in oppion and its not jugding if you know it's wrong, Regardless I'm still not condoning your sin knoow will I flat out point at you and say our going to hell no, But if you ask for my oppion, I'm not gonna surgar coat it
You feel *judging* is in opinion? i thought this was a topic about being a Christian and a follower of God and said views on accepting being gay? How is *judging* now suddenly up to personal opinion and not to be followed from his word? Ironic.Here is some information for you
Matthew 7:1-5 ESV
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.*
John 7:24 ESV
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."*
James 4:12 ESV
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?*
Matthew 7:5 ESV
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye*
John 8:7 ESV
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."*
Quote from: Shaina on October 19, 2013, 10:42:39 PM
Hi Brandon! :)
First I understand how difficult it can be to reconcile your religious beliefs with your identity. I think a lot of people go through that and Malachite was kind enough to point me towards the resources found in the Christianity section to help me make sense of them.
I think you've sort of answered your own question when you said God hates the sin not the sinner. This means that the Lord in his infinite wisdom is the only one who can determine what is actually a sin. Yes, we are given guidelines in His word but when it comes to topics where there is a lot left to interpretation-this topic for example-I don't think we can determine what "God's intentions" are. When in doubt, pray on it. If your beliefs remain the same that's fine but I'm glad you're seeking other opinions before you do so.
I agree 100% with everything you said
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
No he will not judge a lier because everything that comes out of your mouth will be a lie, Read the bible its in their he's just gonna tell you to depart from me, And as far as being trans I'm not having sex before I'm married nor will I do anything in this physicall body so technically no unless your comfortable enough to that but at the moment I'm not, I may be young but I have alot of wisdom and knowlage
LOL oh so you think that when a *liar* stands before him and says *lies* that hes just going to tell them to *depart from me?* and what will he say to the rest of the bad people? And do you feel that *not doing anything physically* condones you condeming another because of what they do with their body?
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:22:47 PM
Yea but being trans is a birth defect, though and God said nothing about transgenders in the bible though, God does look at the heart but two men being together verses fixing a birth defect are two seperate things
Even if it is just a birth defect does it really justify pumping yourself up with hormones and going through surgeries? I think you should search your soul about these feelings you have towards gay people. I once believed like you but then I realized why I was feeling the way I was feeling was because I was afraid to face the truth about myself.
look at it this way Brandon did you choose to like women? Somehow I bet you didn't, like I didn't have a choice to like men it's just who we are. It's the same way for gay people they didn't choose who they were attracted to they sure didn't want to be shunned by their families and community's. We didn't have a choice in our gender identity like they didn't have a choice in the sex they were attracted too.
You dont have to agree with anything you dont believe in. That being said, you do have to live with having your hypocritical beliefs challenged because like it or not they are just that-hypocritical.
You say you were born female but identify as male and heterosexual...but how you identify is irrelevant in the bible. Genesis 1:27 states "God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." and it is common knowledge (at least growing up in a southern radical Christian family it was stated constantly) that God does not make mistakes. Science can challenge that as there are children born with mental disabilities and physical abnormalities every day but I digress. If you are as religious as you say you are then you wouldn't be identifying as transgender. You would know you are committing a sin and an atrocity by disregarding the fact that you were born female and for all biological purposes are currently female.
Maybe you should try being honest with yourself because what I'm getting from you is a lot of self hatred being projected outwards onto things that you think a bio-conservative christian male would be against to make up for the fact that you arent one, and feel the need to reassure yourself that what you're doing is okay in the eyes of the lord.
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
You feel *judging* is in opinion? i thought this was a topic about being a Christian and a follower of God and said views on accepting being gay? How is *judging* now suddenly up to personal opinion and not to be followed from his word? Ironic.Here is some information for you
Matthew 7:1-5 ESV
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.*
John 7:24 ESV
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."*
James 4:12 ESV
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?*
Matthew 7:5 ESV
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye*
John 8:7 ESV
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."*
Ive read all those scriptures already you told me that I'm judging gays if I'm not correct, That's why I said jugding is an oppion it doesn't make it true, If I call you ugly that's what I think theirfore it's my oppion doesn't mean it's true, But their is enough evidence in the bible that proves this point that I'm getting at, Read KJV, Again I don't have a problem with gay people I actually have gay an bi friends but again I'm not condoning their sin just as well as a liers or a fornicaters because I know alot of thoes to
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:47:33 PM
LOL oh so you think that when a *liar* stands before him and says *lies* that hes just going to tell them to *depart from me?* and what will he say to the rest of the bad people? And do you feel that *not doing anything physically* condones you condeming another because of what they do with their body?
Your laughing but it's true
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Even if it is just a birth defect does it really justify pumping yourself up with hormones and going through surgeries? I think you should search your soul about these feelings you have towards gay people. I once believed like you but then I realized why I was feeling the way I was feeling was because I was afraid to face the truth about myself.
look at it this way Brandon did you choose to like women? Somehow I bet you didn't, like I didn't have a choice to like men it's just who we are. It's the same way for gay people they didn't choose who they were attracted to they sure didn't want to be shunned by their families and community's. We didn't have a choice in our gender identity like they didn't have a choice in the sex they were attracted too.
Yea but their are such things as demons and everyone has them, I know why I have these feelings because I know it's wrong lol
Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 10:50:31 PM
You dont have to agree with anything you dont believe in. That being said, you do have to live with having your hypocritical beliefs challenged because like it or not they are just that-hypocritical.
You say you were born female but identify as male and heterosexual...but how you identify is irrelevant in the bible. Genesis 1:27 states "God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." and it is common knowledge (at least growing up in a southern radical Christian family it was stated constantly) that God does not make mistakes. Science can challenge that as there are children born with mental disabilities and physical abnormalities every day but I digress. If you are as religious as you say you are then you wouldn't be identifying as transgender. You would know you are committing a sin and an atrocity by disregarding the fact that you were born female and for all biological purposes are currently female.
Maybe you should try being honest with yourself because what I'm getting from you is a lot of self hatred being projected outwards onto things that you think a bio-conservative christian male would be against to make up for the fact that you arent one, and feel the need to reassure yourself that what you're doing is okay in the eyes of the lord.
This is very true.Very well put and couldnt have said it better myself.I know that if many put away the *religion* and just learned to love people,just as it states to do-then things like this wouldnt happen or be said.And loving yourself the same as well.I do not see myself as *religious* personally and i believe that being transgender is who God made me *wont go into that* but i have a very big open heart,accepting of all and regardless of their flaws and that God demands that kind of thing from those who love him.But i also disgress.I will take my leave from this topic and hope for the best.
Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 10:50:31 PM
You dont have to agree with anything you dont believe in. That being said, you do have to live with having your hypocritical beliefs challenged because like it or not they are just that-hypocritical.
You say you were born female but identify as male and heterosexual...but how you identify is irrelevant in the bible. Genesis 1:27 states "God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." and it is common knowledge (at least growing up in a southern radical Christian family it was stated constantly) that God does not make mistakes. Science can challenge that as there are children born with mental disabilities and physical abnormalities every day but I digress. If you are as religious as you say you are then you wouldn't be identifying as transgender. You would know you are committing a sin and an atrocity by disregarding the fact that you were born female and for all biological purposes are currently female.
Maybe you should try being honest with yourself because what I'm getting from you is a lot of self hatred being projected outwards onto things that you think a bio-conservative christian male would be against to make up for the fact that you arent one, and feel the need to reassure yourself that what you're doing is okay in the eyes of the lord.
I am being honest with myself, I new I was never female at five years old, God also says that he looks at the heart again if you read the bible it says nothing about being transgender, And no my veiws arent hypocrytical your just obviously offended by it like a couple of others here
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Yea but their are such things as demons and everyone has them, I know why I have these feelings because I know it's wrong lol
Brandon I would really suggest you look at these feelings before moving forward in your transition I'm seeing a lot of self projection in your words. I think you should search your soul and figure out are you a man because that's who you are, or are you looking for a way to justify your attraction towards women? I say this because I had to explore the same thing before I moved forward and maybe you too.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:58:13 PM
I am being honest with myself, I new I was never female at five years old, God also says that he looks at the heart again if you read the bible it says nothing about being transgender
I'm sorry to break this to you but you are female and from a biological standpoint you will always be female, regardless of how you identify. If you want to play word semantics, no the bible does not use the word transgender but it has been more than alluded to, specifically in Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God".
(Sorry if this post offends anyone. Just trying to get a point across! I imagine everyone who has accepted their identity wont take offense to this.)
Quote from: Malachite on October 19, 2013, 10:35:41 PM
A true believer can never lose their salvation, therefore a true believe IS exempt from hell. I have tons of Bible verses that proves that. I don't believe that a true believer MUST repent of their sins to be saved or stay saved.
I have to disagree Jesus died for are sins for a reason, And that he'd forgive us I don't know how many times in a day because he knows that were not perfect, No on is exempt from hell because The son of of God doesn't know the time or our for his returning, He can crack the clouds right know if he wanted to he bible also says hell has enlargended itself..... I wonder why because so many people are gonna be lost and deny the truth, But I'm going to stop because I don't wanna get banned
Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
I'm sorry to break this to you but you are female and from a biological standpoint you will always be female, regardless of how you identify. If you want to play word semantics, no the bible does not use the word transgender but it has been more than alluded to, specifically in Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God".
(Sorry if this post offends anyone. Just trying to get a point across! I imagine everyone who has accepted their identity wont take offense to this.)
That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
Brandon I would really suggest you look at these feelings before moving forward in your transition I'm seeing a lot of self projection in your words. I think you should search your soul and figure out are you a man because that's who you are, or are you looking for a way to justify your attraction towards women? I say this because I had to explore the same thing before I moved forward and maybe you too.
No I know I'm man I'm just tired of people thinking because I'm trans that means Im suppose to agree with homosexualiity hence why I asked the question trust m I tried to live as female it didn't work because it's not who I am, I am a male, I knew this at 5 I mean what 5 yr old ask their dad why they don't have a penis, I always have Identified as male and even had a list of male names
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 11:08:49 PM
That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that
wooo boy..yeah defo out of this thread *poofs*
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 11:12:56 PM
wooo boy..yeah defo out of this thread *poofs*
>was born female
>identifies as male
>thinks this makes them exempt from homosexual judgment in regards to religion
> ???
This is probably the worst thread I've ever been a apart of with one of the most closeted cases of denial I've ever seen.
I think I'm following you right on out of here, Chaos lmao
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
Brandon I would really suggest you look at these feelings before moving forward in your transition I'm seeing a lot of self projection in your words. I think you should search your soul and figure out are you a man because that's who you are, or are you looking for a way to justify your attraction towards women? I say this because I had to explore the same thing before I moved forward and maybe you too.
This so much ^
Brandon, I am getting a mixed message from you. It almost sounds like your saying that your feelings towards women are wrong if you don't transition, but your attraction to women will be justified if you DO transition because the Bible doesn't condemn being transgender while you see scriptures that you feel do condemn homosexuality.
Many people here have told you that you need to seek the answers from Him and pray for guidence. I remember in another post where you said that you feel God is not pleased with you. Could you please explain why that is? I don't want to assume anything, so I'm asking,do you feel that you can't go to God because you may be afraid that he would tell you to not to transition? Again, I'm just curious. I'm not judging. Let us know what's going through your mind because we don't know.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 11:12:45 PM
No I know I'm man I'm just tired of people thinking because I'm trans that means Im suppose to agree with homosexualiity hence why I asked the question trust m I tried to live as female it didn't work because it's not who I am, I am a male, I knew this at 5 I mean what 5 yr old ask their dad why they don't have a penis, I always have Identified as male and even had a list of male names
Lol I laugh because I started dressing like a girl and calling myself Heather when I was 5. But that doesn't mean I didn't question myself when I got older I did a lot and they were times where I desperately wanted to be a normal boy but it just didn't workout that way no matter how much I prayed. But nobody is making you agree with homosexuality it's your life I just wanted to show you they are some similarities between being gay and being trans. I know for a fact my attraction towards men is not the same as gay men but I can understand what they go through in wanting nothing in the world more than to be normal and realizing you can't.
Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 11:18:12 PM
>was born female
>identifies as male
>thinks this makes them exempt from homosexual judgment in regards to religion
> ???
This is probably the worst thread I've ever been a apart of with one of the most closeted cases of denial I'e ever seen.
I think I'm following you right on out of here, Chaos lmao
Thats putting it lightly lmfao but the below is why im done here.I mean most of it was just brushed off then with the whole *oh i dont see most that but the female apart isnt me so im good* XD um lmfao i mean hes talking like physical contact sexually with another man is wrong but his doesnt apply? yes THEE worst thread i have ever seen and he is indeed a child spiritually and really is projecting with alot of confusion.your welcome to follow lol
Quote from: ttim0324 on Today at 12:06:27 am
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man*
That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that
Brandon,
Malachite brings up an interesting issue.
If you did indeed say you don't think God is pleased with you are you using transsexual topics as a "loophole" of sorts to feel better about yourself or to maybe hope the Lord will be pleased.
If so it isn't a good idea to try to find loopholes in the word of God.
Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 11:26:06 PM
Thats putting it lightly lmfao but the below is why im done here.I mean most of it was just brushed off then with the whole *oh i dont see most that but the female apart isnt me so im good* XD um lmfao i mean hes talking like physical contact sexually with another man is wrong but his doesnt apply? yes THEE worst thread i have ever seen and he is indeed a child spiritually and really is projecting with alot of confusion.your welcome to follow lol
Quote from: ttim0324 on Today at 12:06:27 am
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man*
That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one. ;)
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 11:06:46 PM
I have to disagree Jesus died for are sins for a reason, And that he'd forgive us I don't know how many times in a day because he knows that were not perfect, No on is exempt from hell because The son of of God doesn't know the time or our for his returning, He can crack the clouds right know if he wanted to he bible also says hell has enlargended itself..... I wonder why because so many people are gonna be lost and deny the truth, But I'm going to stop because I don't wanna get banned
Brandon, this is a Christian forum and as long as we aren't being hateful towards one another and judging I don't see why we can't discuss this. The Bible says we must contend for the faith and always be ready to give an answer.
You said from your own mouth that Jesus will said "depart from me". Let me show you that scripture in it's fullness. Oh and I also read from the KJV so no worries about that. In fact, I'm almost a King James Onlyist. Lets look at that scripture shall we?
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I
never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
In order to get to heaven we must know the will of the Father, and what is the will of our Father? the answer is found in John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.If a true believer goes to hell then God is a lier because he promised EVERLASTING life. Also, Jesus says "depart from me, I NEVER" knew you." Jesus does NOT say "I used to know you." Once Jesus knows you, he knows you. It's not "now I'm saved now I'm not now I'm saved, Now I'm not"
Those people who he said "depart from me" were trusting in their WORKS to get them into heaven. Here are things that are works:
-Keeping the commandments
-Repenting of sins
-Living a good life
An ex-homosexual (assuming homosexuality is a sin) isn't going to heaven because they repented of homosexuality. They go to heaven because they believed on Christ alone for their salvation, NOT repenting of their sins.
People can disagree and thumb me down all they want and I can even get put on the watch list but I don't care. This NEEDS to be said. You're right. Hell is enlarging itself and many people WILL be lost. If a person thinks repenting of their sins will get them to heaven then Jesus WILl say to them "depart from me, I never knew you".
Oh and I don't believe in the doctrine that says Jesus can come at any moment. That's unbiblical. I believe in a post-tribulation rapture Jesus comes in the clouds after the tribulation but that's another debate for another day.
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one. ;)
Oh i know and the reason i commented here to start with,which was to try and give understanding to what the *bible* says about such issues.I was replying to a comment,thats all.Im sorry if i came off wrong but i am very honest that even as a young person,there isnt much that can be taught from someone else and i know from my own experience that,such things like this is something that HE needs to do his self *on this subject anyway* i do get the feeling that Mal is right on one part but also that he has been taught by others on what to believe and such follows that,not his own personal experience.Of course im not downing that and everyone learns on their own-just stating that he should at least consider councel when its given,not constantly correct everyone and that he feels he *knows more then* that said,forgive me if it was said wrong and i will take my leave now.I tend to become very passionate on this topic as is lol
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one. ;)
Here here Heather! :)
I can't speak for Brandon but as for myself-at 22-I have trouble expressing myself when it comes to issues concerning my sexuality. Especially when I don't want to offend others but I definitely don't want to offend God! I'm glad he's talking it out here on Susans.
Malachite,
I enjoy your answer and not many see the will of God you stated in John 6:40. That term is thrown around rather loosely.
As for repentance however John the Baptist, Jesus and Peter all said to repent and do works meet for the gospel. That repentance doesn't come from being works oriented (or shouldn't) but out of love and a thankful spirit for what the Lord did for us.
It is true the Lord knows them that are his as in Psalms it is written the members of his body were written in the book (Book of Life) before the world was.
I enjoy your answers man.
And at 22 I would have posted some far worse things myself.
Let everyone keep cool. If you are getting upset or frustrated take a break.
I don't comment in religious threads as I have no belief but I do need to moderate them.
So if you feel you are banging your head against the wall, just ignore the thread.
Thanks people
Cindy
Quote from: Shaina on October 19, 2013, 11:44:52 PM
Here here Heather! :)
I can't speak for Brandon but as for myself-at 22-I have trouble expressing myself when it comes to issues concerning my sexuality. Especially when I don't want to offend others but I definitely don't want to offend God! I'm glad he's talking it out here on Susans.
I'm glad he is too I believe he'll figure it out we all need time to grow as a person. I'm just glad he's going through this now instead of later in life. :)
Quote from: Del on October 19, 2013, 11:51:40 PM
Malachite,
I enjoy your answer and not many see the will of God you stated in John 6:40. That term is thrown around rather loosely.
As for repentance however John the Baptist, Jesus and Peter all said to repent and do works meet for the gospel. That repentance doesn't come from being works oriented (or shouldn't) but out of love and a thankful spirit for what the Lord did for us.
It is true the Lord knows them that are his as in Psalms it is written the members of his body were written in the book (Book of Life) before the world was.
I enjoy your answers man.
And at 22 I would have posted some far worse things myself.
Thanks Del. I am convinced that repentence in the Bible means a change of heart. The works from geniune repentence makes use justified before men but not before God.
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one. ;)
True, I think I still say things that wouldnt go over very well in the lgbt community lol
It's just that when someone says "I'm young but I have a lot of wisdom and knowledge" (but with infuriating grammar) it's hard to want to do anything other than put them in their place. Especially when they're completely closed to other peoples views and do nothing but challenge everyone that doesnt agree with them. Well, at least it's hard for me xD
Quote from: ttim0324 on October 20, 2013, 12:24:46 AM
True, I think I still say things that wouldnt go over very well in the lgbt community lol
It's just that when someone says "I'm young but I have a lot of wisdom and knowledge" (but with infuriating grammar) it's hard to want to do anything other than put them in their place. Especially when they're completely closed to other peoples views and do nothing but challenge everyone that doesnt agree with them. Well, at least it's hard for me xD
I think every young person thinks they have the answer to everything I know I did. But that's apart of growing up and he'll get past that eventually. ;)
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
Serious question, I know alot of other trans people or homosexuals who find it shocking that I don't agree with it and make it seem like I have to because the T just so happens to be with the L,G and B, But I'm not trying to offend anyone I just happen to be very religious
Doesn't matter if you're religious in any way or not at all, as long as no one is getting hurt people should be allowed to live how they want without judgement from others - acceptance for being who they are is something that pretty much everyone on this board is looking for.
Though I am a devout follower of the FSM so not sure how much you'll appreciate my opinion, but why can't you make up your own mind instead of having your opinions dictated to you by a 1700 year old book?
Quote from: Kaylee on October 20, 2013, 12:44:43 AM
Though I am a devout follower of the FSM so not sure how much you'll appreciate my opinion, but why can't you make up your own mind instead of having your opinions dictated to you by a 1700 year old book?
Hi There :)
What's the FSM? I'm learning so many new acronyms on this site-Yay!
Also, I can't speak for the OP but if you're referring to the Bible (which is much older than that I believe-I think the oldest known texts were found on pottery from 10th century BCE but I could be wrong!) many believe its message does not diminish with age. In fact, that many of the centuries' old parables reveal lessons still relevant today is one of the reasons I read it. I do get where you're coming from though, its hard to understand scripture recorded by men so long ago when applying it to our lives today.
Quote from: Shaina on October 20, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
Hi There :)
What's the FSM? I'm learning so many new acronyms on this site-Yay!
Also, I can't speak for the OP but if you're referring to the Bible (which is much older than that I believe-I think the oldest known texts were found on pottery from 10th century BCE but I could be wrong!) many believe its message does not diminish with age. In fact, that many of the centuries' old parables reveal lessons still relevant today is one of the reasons I read it. I do get where you're coming from though, its hard to understand scripture recorded by men so long ago when applying it to our lives today.
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster (hence why my opinion may not be appreciated)
IIRC the first actual bibles were compiled around the time of the Council of Nicaea in 325AD, there were texts from the bible around prior to then, but that's when the biblical canon was first codified in it's present form.
It does contain some valid insight on morality that can help guide people into knowing whats right and wrong, but some of the teachings do need to be taken with a pinch of salt and put into the context of the general consensus of the times it was written. Major example being Leviticus..its a bit wacky in a modern context (banning pork, tattoos, shellfish...stuff which at the time of writing could of resulted in serious illness or infection due to food storage/hygiene issues but are perfectly fine nowadays).
It just so happens that Leviticus 18:22 is the source of the line "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.". If people nowadays can accept bacon prawns and football (pigskin remember) then why can't homosexuality be accepted too?
Quote from: Kaylee on October 20, 2013, 01:24:00 AM
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster (hence why my opinion may not be appreciated)...
It just so happens that Leviticus 18:22 is the source of the line "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.". If people nowadays can accept bacon prawns and football (pigskin remember) then why can't homosexuality be accepted too?
AH yes I've read about that. It was described as a sort of "parody religion". Is that accurate? In any case, I still appreciate your opinions :)
Oh and I meant the first found Hebrew texts not compiled Bible. But that's neither here nor there!
I think you've pointed out one of the main criticisms many people-including Christians-have about the Bible. I think that the lack of acceptance towards homosexuality is not the result of His word but the way it was interpreted when recorded. People who're interpreting it now can often suffer from selective outrage. So they might uphold Leviticus when it comes to the queer community but they wouldn't cast out their wives during their period (that would NOT go over well, I think lol).
Personally, I choose to interpret the Bible as His perfect word recorded and interpreted by imperfect men. And just as they adapt the language for every version I try to adapt its teachings for a modern age. I know I cannot always correctly interpret His will as put forth in scripture but that's what prayer is for-additional guidance.
Quote from: Malachite on October 19, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
This so much ^
Brandon, I am getting a mixed message from you. It almost sounds like your saying that your feelings towards women are wrong if you don't transition, but your attraction to women will be justified if you DO transition because the Bible doesn't condemn being transgender while you see scriptures that you feel do condemn homosexuality.
Many people here have told you that you need to seek the answers from Him and pray for guidence. I remember in another post where you said that you feel God is not pleased with you. Could you please explain why that is? I don't want to assume anything, so I'm asking,do you feel that you can't go to God because you may be afraid that he would tell you to not to transition? Again, I'm just curious. I'm not judging. Let us know what's going through your mind because we don't know.
You misread my question
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:25:24 PM
Lol I laugh because I started dressing like a girl and calling myself Heather when I was 5. But that doesn't mean I didn't question myself when I got older I did a lot and they were times where I desperately wanted to be a normal boy but it just didn't workout that way no matter how much I prayed. But nobody is making you agree with homosexuality it's your life I just wanted to show you they are some similarities between being gay and being trans. I know for a fact my attraction towards men is not the same as gay men but I can understand what they go through in wanting nothing in the world more than to be normal and realizing you can't.
Well I already know I'm not a lesbian I figured out that I was trans by 14, Never once questioned weather or not I was a lesbian because I knew I was a male, How I feel about homosexuals has nothing to do with who I am,, That's how I was brought and Ive read enough scriptures to know that, My feelings towards women have again nothing to do with why I belive homosexuals are wrong and I know this for a fact you may have struggles with it but I'm not, Were two different people again I already know I'm male, So that was kind of irrelavant
Quote from: Malachite on October 19, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
This so much ^
Brandon, I am getting a mixed message from you. It almost sounds like your saying that your feelings towards women are wrong if you don't transition, but your attraction to women will be justified if you DO transition because the Bible doesn't condemn being transgender while you see scriptures that you feel do condemn homosexuality.
Many people here have told you that you need to seek the answers from Him and pray for guidence. I remember in another post where you said that you feel God is not pleased with you. Could you please explain why that is? I don't want to assume anything, so I'm asking,do you feel that you can't go to God because you may be afraid that he would tell you to not to transition? Again, I'm just curious. I'm not judging. Let us know what's going through your mind because we don't know.
Your far off that's not what I'm implying at all, And yes sometimes I don't feel God is pleased with me, 90% of it has nothing to do with me being trans
Quote from: Brandon on October 20, 2013, 07:35:23 AM
Your far off that's not what I'm implying at all, And yes sometimes I don't feel God is pleased with me, 90% of it has nothing to do with me being trans
Hey There!
You said 90% of the reasons you might feel God may not be pleased with you have nothing to do with being trans. I was just wondering what the other 10% signified?
Glad you came back to hear the responses btw even if you don't agree with them! :)
I'm reluctant to stick my nose in here, but good Christians are in no way obligated to disapprove of same-sex attraction and relationships. Yes, there's an old testament mention of men sleeping together being forbidden, but that same part of Bible gives us other things (abridged list):
You're required build a parapet on the roof of your house.
You can't wear blended fabrics.
You're required to eat kosher.
Polygamy is okay.
Slavery is okay.
Women are property to be sold from their fathers to men.
Killing people for worshiping other gods is commendable.
Taking this together, I highly disagree with the idea that conforming with the old testament is necessary to be a good Christian. It's not to say you can't find interesting things in that part of the Bible, but you're playing with fire if you believe in a proscriptive idea because it appeared in the old testament. There are Christians leaders who stand by this rule, but other leaders believe that gay/lesbian/bisexual people are every bit as good and worthy as other people (even when they acquire consenting same-sex relationships).
Frankly, I think being a good Christian requires that you embrace gay/lesbian/bisexual people provided that they seek out healthy relationships with potential romantic companions -- which is the standard you should hold heterosexual people, too, as well. The essential difference in same-sex versus mixed-sex relationships is potential reproductive capabilities, and couples who can't reproduce (which includes many mixed-sex couples) can still have children through other means (egg/sperm donation, adoption). There's nothing intrinsic here that makes same-sex couplings immoral. It may seem counter to Christianity to think in these kinds of terms, but it's wholly in-line with what was said of Jesus in the Bible: in addition to preaching generosity and love, he called on people to recognize where good really comes from in the story of the Good Samaritan. Implicit to recognizing where true good comes from (not from status, but by how we treat others), we should also be mindful where bad/sin comes from -- from actually causing harm.
I'm curious about that 10% trans component as well.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
Serious question, I know alot of other trans people or homosexuals who find it shocking that I don't agree with it and make it seem like I have to because the T just so happens to be with the L,G and B, But I'm not trying to offend anyone I just happen to be very religious
No you don't have to. Do I have to agree with your transition if how I interpret the Bible tells me that it's wrong? No, I don't have to. Being part of Susan's does require me to respect it though and I'd say that it does the same for your views on homosexuality. As long as you do that, I have a hard time believing anyone will give you a hard time about your beliefs.
Quote from: Kaelin on October 20, 2013, 10:35:24 AM
I'm reluctant to stick my nose in here, but good Christians are in no way obligated to disapprove of same-sex attraction and relationships. Yes, there's an old testament mention of men sleeping together being forbidden, but that same part of Bible gives us other things (abridged list):
You're required build a parapet on the roof of your house.
You can't wear blended fabrics.
You're required to eat kosher.
Polygamy is okay.
Slavery is okay.
Women are property to be sold from their fathers to men.
Killing people for worshiping other gods is commendable.
Taking this together, I highly disagree with the idea that conforming with the old testament is necessary to be a good Christian. It's not to say you can't find interesting things in that part of the Bible, but you're playing with fire if you believe in a proscriptive idea because it appeared in the old testament. There are Christians leaders who stand by this rule, but other leaders believe that gay/lesbian/bisexual people are every bit as good and worthy as other people (even when they acquire consenting same-sex relationships).
Frankly, I think being a good Christian requires that you embrace gay/lesbian/bisexual people provided that they seek out healthy relationships with potential romantic companions -- which is the standard you should hold heterosexual people, too, as well. The essential difference in same-sex versus mixed-sex relationships is potential reproductive capabilities, and couples who can't reproduce (which includes many mixed-sex couples) can still have children through other means (egg/sperm donation, adoption). There's nothing intrinsic here that makes same-sex couplings immoral. It may seem counter to Christianity to think in these kinds of terms, but it's wholly in-line with what was said of Jesus in the Bible: in addition to preaching generosity and love, he called on people to recognize where good really comes from in the story of the Good Samaritan. Implicit to recognizing where true good comes from (not from status, but by how we treat others), we should also be mindful where bad/sin comes from -- from actually causing harm.
I'm curious about that 10% trans component as well.
I'm not gonna embrace what I know is wrong, I'm not dying and going to hell for
someone else again I'm not condoning your sin
Brandon, I have a question.
If having homosexual sex is against how you interpret the Bible, can you only have sex with a woman whom you're married to if you have bottom surgery?
I am just a little confused, it seems like the old testament is more against the act rather than just being gay but not acting on it. Sorry if this seems off topic, but just wondering if you see the Bible's acceptance/disapproval as being physical or mental.
Quote from: Brandon on October 20, 2013, 12:30:43 PM
I'm not gonna embrace what I know is wrong, I'm not dying and going to hell for
someone else again I'm not condoning your sin
whoa boy lets try this again: Deuteronomy 22:5 "The WOMAN shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a MAN, neither shall a MAN put on a WOMANS garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God" you are a biological female presenting as a male. You are not only condoning a sin, you are a sinner and an abomination according to the bible. God created male and female, he did not create "a man since I was 5 even though I have the complete physiology of a female". Like, what are you not understanding about this?
You being attracted to women is a SIN because you WERE BORN a woman. It doesnt matter how many times you say you think you're a man, you are doing exactly what you are telling other people they're going to hell for.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:19:48 PM
Sexual orientation s different from gender, Im a straight male who likes females, Theirfore I'm not homosexual
You are so wrong. As you are a FTM who use to be a female who likes females, you are homosexual.
If however, you use to like men as a female then you would not be homosexual.
So what did you like as a female, male or female?
Quote from: Brandon on October 20, 2013, 07:31:33 AM
Well I already know I'm not a lesbian I figured out that I was trans by 14, Never once questioned weather or not I was a lesbian because I knew I was a male,How I feel about homosexuals has nothing to do with who I am,, That's how I was brought and Ive read enough scriptures to know that, My feelings towards women have again nothing to do with why I belive homosexuals are wrong and I know this for a fact you may have struggles with it but I'm not, Were two different people again I already know I'm male, So that was kind of irrelavant
Maybe you should go back and give that a second look. You seem to me to using your feelings about being a male to justify your feelings towards women. I don't think God attended to put loopholes in the bible and unless he performs a miracle and you wake up a man tomorrow I still think you'll be committing a sin to be with a woman as far as the bible is concerned. ;)
Quote from: Kaylee on October 20, 2013, 02:14:20 PM
Irrespective of how you've been brought up or what some old book tells you, homophobia is bigoted, hateful and wrong.
You are in the "Christianity" section where people are allowed to discuss concerns they have regarding their beliefs. Calling the Bible here a "old book" doesn't seem appropriate.
I would like to point out that he said he doesn't hate gay people, he said he has gay friends and he supports gay marriage but he thinks it's a sin.
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Okay, folks. I don't want to lock this thread just yet, but it's starting to go down a road which will lead to that.
Brandon, maybe you might want to consider the way you word your posts to other people, and how they will take the things you say. Other people have feelings, too. And there are other views and interpretations just as valid as yours.
Everyone else... if you're feeling worked up over something, just take a deep breath and maybe count to ten before hitting the post button.
Healthy debate is good. Mud-slinging and insinuation... isn't. Let's try to keep it to the former, okay?
Thanks.
~Seph.
Quote from: Sephirah on October 20, 2013, 02:33:49 PM
Okay, folks. I don't want to lock this thread just yet, but it's starting to go down a road which will lead to that.
Brandon, maybe you might want to consider the way you word your posts to other people, and how they will take the things you say. Other people have feelings, too. And there are other views and interpretations just as valid as yours.
Everyone else... if you're feeling worked up over something, just take a deep breath and maybe count to ten before hitting the post button.
Healthy debate is good. Mud-slinging and insinuation... isn't. Let's try to keep it to the former, okay?
Thanks.
~Seph.
Thank you Seph.I personally feel the topic should already be locked for a few reasons.The topic was posted with an open ended question *Do i have to? according to christianity* this allows any and all replies and even some that are not of the religion.As many of us *who really do follow it and have had personal experiences of our own* know,A healthy debate is good as we learn from each other and continue to grow.But i myself feel that this topic was not posted for the purpose of learning or even accepting an answer to that question but as a means to spark a very *heated* debate.Which it has accomplished.I am a very respectful person and even though i came to answer that question,i left the thread because unlike hitting a wall,it was a pointless effort,even if it was just to answer said question.Many of us have given that answer AND according to said religion *in which the topic was based on* but have continued to be corrected and met with resistance.Bless everyones hearts for continueing to try and be patient with the OP,regardless of these things.But part of being wise is knowing when to stop.I have many mixed feelings on this thread and things i will not go into here but the outcome will not change in how this topic will go and that is why i feel personally that it should be locked.Regardless of how big a persons heart is,sometimes wisdom tells us where to direct it.
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Yea but their are such things as demons and everyone has them, I know why I have these feelings because I know it's wrong lol
What feelings are you having that are wrong?
Quote from: LearnedHand on October 20, 2013, 02:22:58 PM
You are in the "Christianity" section where people are allowed to discuss concerns they have regarding their beliefs. Calling the Bible here a "old book" doesn't seem appropriate.
I agree! While I would appreciate seeing the opinions of believers and non-believers alike there's no need to dismiss the Bible in this way.
Kia Ora Brandon,
Re: "As a transgender male do I have to agree with Homosexuality as a Christian?"
If Christian is meant to stand for "Christ-like" and because Christians are split when it comes to Homosexuality (those for and those against=both equally adamant they have the 'right' approach),does this mean Jesus was also in 'two' minds when it comes to homosexuality ? Which Christians are truly "Christ-like" ?
"What would Jesus do ?" Would he agree or disagree with homosexuality ? This is not an open book exam(no quoting scriptures -Remember 'the devil too can cite scripture')-so you will have to really search 'within' for the answer...
Metta Zenda :)
Quote from: Anatta on October 21, 2013, 12:20:25 AM
Kia Ora Brandon,
Re: "As a transgender male do I have to agree with Homosexuality as a Christian?"
If Christian is meant to stand for "Christ-like" and because Christians are split when it comes to Homosexuality (those for and those against=both equally adamant they have the 'right' approach),does this mean Jesus was also in 'two' minds when it comes to homosexuality ? Which Christians are truly "Christ-like" ?
"What would Jesus do ?" Would he agree or disagree with homosexuality ? This is not an open book exam(no quoting scriptures -Remember 'the devil too can cite scripture')-so you will have to really search 'within' for the answer...
Metta Zenda :)
Yes! Preach Sister Anatta! :)
Hi,
There is a saying in the bible that goes like this forgive them that do wrong , and maybe they do wrong to you ,maybe there are others who do things that are right to them , yet not to you.
So the ? ill put forward is who is the Judge , when we are given that right then yes we can Judge till then and from what i know of the bible theres only one and no one who has been on this earth has that right, in the context of the true words spoken that were given to us or for those that follow the teaching of the bible and so long as its in keeping with in the context of what was said .
we need to be very carefull because none of us can cast the first stone none of us are perfect, we may or not agree on many matters concerning people .
This is a subject that has created a lot of debate and anger. brother against brother and sister, has broken marriges and the list goes on , iv seen to much over the years,
so iv held my peace and will because its not our place to tell others what they should or not do.
In the light of that the bigger detail thats going on behind this we really have no idear , i know theres many ?'s and i know while we are on this earth we will not know the answer, and we'v been told that the one who holds the answer will show us when the time is right,
As to your ? really it has nothing to do with transgender or wether your male or female it has more to do with you as a person. as it does myself i can not say what you are, or who you should go to bed with. only you can answer that with a clear mind of who you are and allow the Spirit to lead you in the right path that has been chosen for you, you were given your life so live that life as you should,
when something like this comes up what do you do, do what ever or do you ask for help from the one who will lead you on the path that is for you.
When you give your life to who it belongs then you will be lead where you need to go.
Can i suggest you leave this ? and ask / find who you are first, because these ?'s wont enter in to your life, there wont be a need to know,
...noeleena...
Matthew 7: 1-20
[1] Judge not, that ye be not judged.
[2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
[5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
[6] Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
[7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
[8] For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
[9] Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
[10] Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
[11] If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
[12] Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
People misuse this scripture so often only using verses 1,2 and sometimes 3.
Read farther and you see the tree is known by the fruit. We know a pear tree for instance when we see the pear.
The fruit of the Spirit from within is manifested on the outside for all to see. Both believers and non believers.
As I said a few pages back Christians are commanded to warn others when they see them go against scripture. That is true love and obedience. Warning them as you would warn a traveler the bridge ahead is out or warning a blind person a car is coming when they attempt to cross the street.
When a Christian attempts to warn a person using scripture they are loving them enough to save their soul. Not judging them.
The person they warn either believes or rejects that warning.
It is the Lord who judges based on the warning and whether or not it is accepted or rejected.
2 Timothy 4: 2,3
[2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Every sermon should have all 3 parts to be from God. It should manifest what is err, manifest the truth and give hope unto the hearer.
Anything partial is not of the Holy Ghost.
Quote from: Del on October 21, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
When a Christian attempts to warn a person using scripture they are loving them enough to save their soul. Not judging them.
The person they warn either believes or rejects that warning.
It is the Lord who judges based on the warning and whether or not it is accepted or rejected.
Whether or not it is judging or warning, it does go against the ideals of what this support site is here for. People should feel comfortable coming to this site without being told they are sinning just by being what they consider true to themselves. I don't come here to learn what sins I am committing according to you or Brandon and be warned about them, I come here for support and that should be respected. You have been respectful in that sense, as you only seem to post in the Christianity section. Others may have not been as respectful of that and bring their "warnings" to other sections of the website, which to me is inappropriate.
That is why to a large degree I keep some things out of my posts. Because of a love for people here. It would not profit to post some things.
The only time I have ever opened up was a while back and that was when someone mocked the word of God. That post I requested locked because it was straying into other areas and would only hurt people.
For the most part I only post that which I would hope strengthens a person's faith. When some issues keep getting spoken against however I say something. But, for the most part over the years I have been here I think I haven't knowingly went out of my way to post anything to hurt someone. Which by the way, I don't like being lumped together with Brandon.
As I said if I offended any I apologize.
May God bless.
I would like to clarify something about how I view transsexual people. Just so there is no doubt.
I have often posted I disagree with some of the views. That is just being honest. I do take the word of God very seriously but attempt to use it to help and not to hurt people. I have an example of this from a dear friend here.
If anyone was to go back on the Christian posts they could find that on the serious side I have opened up to defend the gospel and for that I am not ashamed nor repent. My reason at that time was sound and I did what I felt I had to do. That given post actually did bring me closer to some as they saw I don't play when it comes unto the word of God.
On the other side of the balance so to speak I do know how many transsexual people feel and believe in shewing mercy and helping. Sort of how the disciples asked if they should call down fire from heaven and the Lord said they knew not what manner of spirit they were of. The word says his "word" is as a "fire" shut up in my bones. Too many have left off to shew mercy and lash out with the word. I firmly believe that the word of God should be held in the highest reverence but also feel that at times regardless of how hard core we are we have to admit when the Lord shows us something contrary to what e believe. That happened to me right here a while back.
I don't think my friend Sarah will mind if I share this. If so she can contact me and I'll apologize. I just happen to feel this is a good example of putting the Lord before what we want to believe.
A while back Sarah spake of a dream she had many years ago. As she described this dream it came back to my remembrance that I had the same dream. She didn't go into detail but I immediately knew the dream and had the very vision once again in my spirit.
We corresponded and I shared the dream making mention of a song in this dream and leaving one of the lyrics out intentionally. When Sarah corresponded back she mentioned that given lyrics being in that dream along with the part I mentioned. We both saw that the Lord knew our paths would cross some twenty five or so years before we met here.
The dreams and visions and such coming from the Lord to guide his saints is still in existence today.
I have said quite a few times that I disagree with many transsexual views. Still in all one thing is very clear.
I fear God far too much to ever say Sarah is deceived or of the devil or going to hell. She is known of God and for whatever reason the Lord wanted me to know she is known of him and one of his. Therefore regardless of how I feel or think I have to set aside my straight, cisgender, male ego an acknowledge this sister is truly one of the Lord's. She is very knowledgeable in the word of God and one of whom I trust with the word and gladly acknowledge as a sister in the Lord.
For that reason I do make every attempt to hold back from saying anything that would hurt people here. The Lord used Sarah to show me that. It would be nothing more than calling down fire from heaven if I was to use the word of God to hurt those already hurt and invade a safe haven of sorts here.
I hope she doesn't mind me making mention of this.
I wish all here the best with their search and walk the Lord.
May God bless.
Sorry for another thread drift. I hope all can resume now.
May God bless.
I myself have had dreams and visions since i was around 10 or younger.Some warnings,some leading and some very demonic as satan tried to confuse,mislead or otherwise torment me.Also given a word from God his self over the birth of a child and many other personal experiences.And some of the very things i have went through in life were directly in the face of both.What i mean is that in *per say* the spiritual realm,i have come face to face with God and Satan.*Not physical face of course* I myself was taught many things that i *thought* *I* didnt agree with.The one thing i will remember is when my mind was taken over by the spirit of fear (mind you,MUCH different then panic attacks.) One day i was sitting in my kitchen with my family (LONG before i knew anything) and suddenly i started to freak out,grabbing my own body parts *mostly leg* and started to scream -im dying!! theres a blood clot or something!! make it stop!!- (my family literally was scared,they didnt know what had come over me) i made my family rush me to an ER as i was in tears and unable to control it.they told me NOTHING was wrong with me but because the DOC thought i was having withdraws for narcotics,he gave me a pain med that my mother took away from me and said *you arent touching this crap!* (she didnt believe in controlled medication,even if it came from the doc and you knew what you were doing and doing it well.this went for ANY thing,even anxiety meds) of course it was experiences like this that i was allowed to go through them,satan *allowed* to torment me in such high degrees that i found the strength to say *what do i believe in?* God was a very strong support and love in my life during these times (ill admit that i have been very eager to get closer) And to have him personally lead one is an amazing experience.My spirit was always very in tune and easy to talk to and so was my heart.During times of (as an example) i would watch the news and saw someone being beaten over hate,i would cringe and my heart and spirit would cry.Even with all the hate that my blind family taught my mind,God taught everything else and i learned *with all the torments,fear,pain* that the body is only a shell and does not determine who we are.Many believe that *to lie-lay* with someone is a form of sexual action and i have never disputed someone elses views but i have also never let go of what I KNOW to be true,not because of what someone on earth taught me but what God his self showed me.After i found out i was Transgender,i went through a small period of searching for truth.Was this part of his plan? was i ment to know,understand and suffer as like any woman and to say that i could walk away knowing i have had that experience,then to only *after all was taught and like finally reaching my destiny* be given who i REALLY am? Was my body really the definition of ME and was this just another torment from satan his self? Even though its true that i have slipped further away due to alot of lifes experiences,i began to have dreams relating to these questions and over time,they alone began to lead me to WHO i was.Another question for me was *IF this is a lie,then why did it take 30 years to be told with all the other lies i was fed as i grew up? why after so long? and why did the depression leave when i found out this information? wasnt the depression *the disorder* a form of being oppressed? and if i was set free,doesnt the bible say that *the TRUTH shall set you free?* looking back on all the experiences i have had,these questions seemed almost silly to ask myself.But i had a few dreams
1) I was standing in a black background *this allows the purpose of only focusing on what is important IN the dream* and i stood in a male form and on my chest was written MY new name but it seemed to be apart of me,inside me,one with me and that knowledge seemed to bring me peace and happiness.
2) The view was only that of a paper/form of some sort and i was signing my male name but the middle name only started with an F. *which brings in the below*
(God picked my male middle name btw.As i was searching i found a name and its very discription WAS me to a T and inside i heard a pulling and that was when i made it officially MINE)
I myself was always an unconditional lover because i know in my heart that the hardest person to love in this world is ME..I am FAR from worthy of everything he has ever taught me,given me and what he has planned and because of that,i know that MANY are worthy of his love,compassion,acceptance and forgiveness.The below i have lived on and refuse to exalt myself but be humble.As one who is lowly,i will lift up those around me
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
*Luke 18:9-14
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.*
Quote from: Del on October 21, 2013, 12:56:21 PM
I don't think my friend Sarah will mind if I share this. If so she can contact me and I'll apologize. I just happen to feel this is a good example of putting the Lord before what we want to believe.
A while back Sarah spake of a dream she had many years ago. As she described this dream it came back to my remembrance that I had the same dream. She didn't go into detail but I immediately knew the dream and had the very vision once again in my spirit.
We corresponded and I shared the dream making mention of a song in this dream and leaving one of the lyrics out intentionally. When Sarah corresponded back she mentioned that given lyrics being in that dream along with the part I mentioned. We both saw that the Lord knew our paths would cross some twenty five or so years before we met here.
The dreams and visions and such coming from the Lord to guide his saints is still in existence today.
I have said quite a few times that I disagree with many transsexual views. Still in all one thing is very clear.
I fear God far too much to ever say Sarah is deceived or of the devil or going to hell. She is known of God and for whatever reason the Lord wanted me to know she is known of him and one of his. Therefore regardless of how I feel or think I have to set aside my straight, cisgender, male ego an acknowledge this sister is truly one of the Lord's. She is very knowledgeable in the word of God and one of whom I trust with the word and gladly acknowledge as a sister in the Lord.
For that reason I do make every attempt to hold back from saying anything that would hurt people here. The Lord used Sarah to show me that. It would be nothing more than calling down fire from heaven if I was to use the word of God to hurt those already hurt and invade a safe haven of sorts here.
I hope she doesn't mind me making mention of this.
I wish all here the best with their search and walk the Lord.
May God bless.
Del,
I don't mind. :)
I don't understand this all but for what reason this has been given me for His glory. He is far greater than anything we can will ever have to carry in this life.
If we ever can learn one thing it's His love and mercy are so great towards us that it should change us to show the same compassion and love to those around us. We're all in the same boat. And the evidence is in the fruits which are so often not seen and those are love,joy,peace, patience,goodness, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control.
Sarah,
I agree. There are some things we may never know until we cross over Jordan so to speak.
The fact that we met and had the chance to become friends may put some sense to me staying on this site. That is since I am not transsexual.
In the meanwhile your friendship is a cherished blessing.
Chaos,
Your post blessed me as well. It's good to see others that can recognize visitations from the Lord and discern between those of God and those of Satan.
It is great that you and Sarah can help others.
May God bless.
Quote from: Del on October 21, 2013, 06:22:33 PM
Chaos,
Your post blessed me as well. It's good to see others that can recognize visitations from the Lord and discern between those of God and those of Satan.
It is great that you and Sarah can help others.
Im glad that it blessed you or anyone else.Part of growing in spirit is having those eyes slowly opened.As we are young in spirit,it is hard to learn what is true and what is false (and why i encourage people to spend time with him and learn) but as long as we are willing to listen and be taught,then God will show and do wonderful things.We have all been in that place and even me but i am happy that i refused man from teaching me but being taught THROUGH man or from him alone.Though back then with all the falsehood,all the things that God stands AGAINST,showed me WHY it is best to listen to him alone.And even now as his word comes to pass and the love of many grows cold,its an even more reason to go to him alone and ask to be taught and shown.
Quote from: bethanyjadefowell on October 20, 2013, 01:34:03 PM
You are so wrong. As you are a FTM who use to be a female who likes females, you are homosexual.
If however, you use to like men as a female then you would not be homosexual.
So what did you like as a female, male or female?
Im a male and have always liked females as a male I have never felt like a lesbian because I know I'm not, I'm straight from the looks of it you guys are trying to call me female so you can say that Im a lesbian and so it wouldn't make since, But that's very contradicting, But as Ive stated I have not nor will I hav a problem with homosexuals, Sorry if I offended anyone though
Brandon, I think its just a matter of different people defining sexual orientation different ways. Its possible for nobody to be "wrong" if everyone in the conversation is using different definitions. I wouldn't worry about anyone defining your orientation, just as you shouldn't worry about defining others for them.
Quote from: Brandon on November 12, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
Im a male and have always liked females as a male I have never felt like a lesbian because I know I'm not, I'm straight from the looks of it you guys are trying to call me female so you can say that Im a lesbian and so it wouldn't make since, But that's very contradicting, But as Ive stated I have not nor will I hav a problem with homosexuals, Sorry if I offended anyone though
I agree with <3 and Brandon I'm glad you were able to explain your point while being mindful of others feelings. I think that's just the best of both worlds. :)
Brandon knows how he defines sexuality and nobody else can be right. That's all there is to it.
But we ARE forgetting something. He started all of this by not agreeing with homosexuality as a Christian, but went on to say he was not homosexual as a female, but liked females!!!!!!
Can you tell me what he does not agree with then???????
Quote from: bethanyjadefowell on November 15, 2013, 04:34:16 PM
Sorry, but as you were a FEMALE who liked FEMALES, you were a lesbian!!!!! If you are saying you were not, then you must of liked only MALES. If you liked both, you would then be BI.
No one is saying that you as a man (now) who likes females, is not straight, because, you can say you are, as you are now male who likes females.
One last thing. If as a female you liked females (like you said), could you tell everyone, how that makes you, NOT a lesbian? I am gay, could I say I am not gay?
I'm not a female I'm a male
If someone sees themselves as one gender and they are attracted to the opposite gender, They see themselves as straight.
Others may not agree with that, and thats their opinion.
As a Trans-woman I am finding myself attracted to men. Now the key word here is Woman. So as a woman who is attracted to men does that not mean I am straight?
At the end of the day what does it really matter what label we put on someone as long as they are happy.
Quote from: bethanyjadefowell on November 15, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
But we ARE forgetting something. He started all of this by not agreeing with homosexuality as a Christian, but went on to say he was not homosexual as a female, but liked females!!!!!!
I find that funny, If I say I'm male I'm male no question about it, And besides I thought the brain is what makes you male or female? Nice try though
Were you once female though? Or born male? I know we were born in the wrong body, but I mean, were you born female with all the female parts or born male with all the make parts?
We all know that you are now FEMALE. I am NOT saying that your not!!!
Beth, I think we know what you're getting at, but you seem to just be in the mood to fight. You're not going to make Brandon or anyone else change their minds about homosexuality or religion.
Locking topic.
I am getting annoyed the recent run of rudeness in a number of threads.
It is way beyond time that people acted responsibly .
Cindy