I'm 21 years old, this all started just a few days ago. I had a dream I was a woman and since then it has been on my mind nonstop. In the past i have wished i were a female. I've thought that my life would be more comfortable and happier if i were just born a girl. I've never done drag or dressed up in women's clothes. I've worn a pair of heels and god i love the way my legs looked in them. I'd like to think I'm a very good looking guy with some female like features. I have wanted to model (as a man) but can't shake the feeling of being in the wrong body (i know, cliche). I'm just worried if i were to start the process that i will look like only look like a guy in womens clothes.. Help? <3(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1025.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy311%2Fy524m6d8%2FIMG_0982_zpse40ce950.jpg&hash=269cf838c0dc9537a320c35f5886f7329f3cb0be)
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Hormones can do wonders for your appearance. Don't fret so much, I think you'd do fine. :) And it certainly sounds like you're transgendered. I recommend doing some research on male-to-female hormone replacement therapy and then seeking out a therapist that deals with gender issues.
Yeah I've no doubt been researching all day yesterday and continued to today. My problem is, the costs are probably just not there for me just yet. How do people deal with the transition? I'm sure there is a period of time where people look manly but get a very strong female feature to their faces. I feel like i wouldn't want to go anywhere during that period of time. haha
The effects can be subtle sometimes. Really, the biggest change that will be hard to hide after a while is the breast growth. :laugh: But some people have no issues switching back to boy-mode when needed, at least for a while.
Quote from: Ashey on November 24, 2013, 10:52:09 AM
The effects can be subtle sometimes. Really, the biggest change that will be hard to hide after a while is the breast growth. :laugh: But some people have no issues switching back to boy-mode when needed, at least for a while.
So what if i don't like the results, do i just stop taking them and it goes back? Or will i not look the same as before?
Effects are generally reversible when you stop HRT, but after a while some may stick or might be harder to change back like advanced breast growth (which could require a mastectomy) and sterility, though some have argued that even that could be reversible.
long before starting to transition I use to get dressed up and go downtown shopping. Make up can do an amazing job sometimes. Your face is narrow you'll probably do alright. And most people really won't notice. Talking to cashiers is a little difficult. I just did it because I had to for my own well being.
My thing is, if i start the HRT then i would be wanting to go ALL the way. facial reconstruction. and the "downstairs" surgery. How anyone on here gone as far as that?
I'm just at the beginning, I am first starting hormones in the next month or so, though I do plan on going all the way as you put it. Definitely wanna get rid of the thing downstairs :-P. I am someone who identified as a gay male before realizing/coming to terms with being trans and realizing that I'm really a straight woman mentally. The dreaming as a woman thing definitely happened to me all the time, especially when I was a little younger and my attraction to men was really coming on strong. Most of my sexual dreams in that period involved me as a woman with a man.
Yeah I'd recommend talking to a specialist. Also in terms of cost, it depends on where you live. Many large cities have LGBT centers which can aid in transitioning at a relatively low cost.
And the fear of always looking like a man in a dress is of course a bit terrifying. I'm a bit terrified of it myself. But take a look at the before and after thread, or look up transition videos on YouTube. It's amazing what hormones can do. Looking at those definitely helped assuage that fear a bit for myself.
Quote from: BecomingDev88 on November 24, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
And the fear of always looking like a man in a dress is of course a bit terrifying. I'm a bit terrified of it myself. But take a look at the before and after thread, or look up transition videos on YouTube. It's amazing what hormones can do. Looking at those definitely helped assuage that fear a bit for myself.
Yeah I literally have done nothing today but watch youtube videos of before and after "Nick to Nicki" ect... i think that the ones that i saw that made me most nervous were people that HADN'T started hormones and were just showing them as a guy versus a girl. Because looking at people who HAVE started hormones they have very different facial features opposed to people who are just putting on make up and a wig.
Just a few days ago, huh?
Take it easy. You're young and have a lot of time to figure yourself out. Transgender, yes, but it's a big-tent party goin' on...
As you stand now, you make a very pretty guy. I wonder what would happen if you confront your fear directly and try to pull of "guy in dress." Might be a pleasant surprise, even if it's not exactly you.
Quote from: musicofthenight on November 24, 2013, 02:57:54 PM
Just a few days ago, huh?
Take it easy. You're young and have a lot of time to figure yourself out. Transgender, yes, but it's a big-tent party goin' on...
As you stand now, you make a very pretty guy. I wonder what would happen if you confront your fear directly and try to pull of "guy in dress." Might be a pleasant surprise, even if it's not exactly you.
Agreed. I mean look, I do think everyone has their own path, and some come to terms with being trans and are ready for transition quicker than others. That said, there is no rush. Take your time and explore. Gender is a spectrum like sexuality. Definitely take the time to figure out where you are on it.
For sure i know i wont be doing ANYTHING for awhile. I don't want to rush into this with just my feelings to back me up. It's more so me coming to terms with how i feel and to talk to people who wont judge me and don't know me, it makes saying things like this much easier.
talking to a councilor versed in transgender issues would help
Well, growing out hair takes for-flippin-ever. Might as well start that now. :laugh:
Voice work. Experiments with personal grooming. Paying attention to how you socialize, and a good solid look at psychological health. There are lots of ways to test the waters, gather data, grow as a person irrespective of gender. Caution and a gentle pace doesn't mean "do nothing." Actually, nothing is probably the worst thing you can do.
Quote from: CuriousAboutLife on November 24, 2013, 11:13:42 AM
My thing is, if i start the HRT then i would be wanting to go ALL the way. facial reconstruction. and the "downstairs" surgery. How anyone on here gone as far as that?
There are plenty of ladies on this site that have. Usually you need to be on HRT for a while before facial or downstairs is recommended and that's because there's a lot more to contend with first.. regrettably, swapping gender usually doesn't happen overnight.
Yeah i know i have to start HRT before anything. I just don't want to start it, then research surgeries. I want to know EVERYTHING before i start. I know it's what I want, but i don't want to be surprised by anything. :angel:
Quote from: musicofthenight on November 24, 2013, 05:46:14 PM
Well, growing out hair takes for-flippin-ever. Might as well start that now. :laugh:
Voice work. Experiments with personal grooming. Paying attention to how you socialize, and a good solid look at psychological health. There are lots of ways to test the waters, gather data, grow as a person irrespective of gender. Caution and a gentle pace doesn't mean "do nothing." Actually, nothing is probably the worst thing you can do.
For sure. I realized recently that I started transitioning at least 10 years ago, even in the midst of my denial phase. It just kinda creeps in sometimes. Making small changes like growing your hair out, piercing you ears, etc. It helps a lot. Assuming you're into any of that stuff lol.
Quote from: CuriousAboutLife on November 24, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Yeah i know i have to start HRT before anything. I just don't want to start it, then research surgeries. I want to know EVERYTHING before i start. I know it's what I want, but i don't want to be surprised by anything. :angel:
A very wise approach. :)
Quote from: CuriousAboutLife on November 24, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Yeah i know i have to start HRT before anything. I just don't want to start it, then research surgeries. I want to know EVERYTHING before i start. I know it's what I want, but i don't want to be surprised by anything. :angel:
Yep I remember I did the same. It's good to know exactly what you're getting into. If while thinking about transition all the hormones and surgeries and possible loss of friends and family feel like they're worth it so that you can transition, then there is a good chance that it's the right choice for you. I mean I was lucky in that I come from a very liberal family in a very liberal part of the country and I am in the arts. So I didn't think that loss of friends and family would be too big an issue. I mean I'm not fully out and I'm sure their will be some hiccups, but so far I at least know I have my parents and closest friends supporting me in this decision. For me one of my biggest fears was whether or not I would ever find a romantic relationship with a man who would be okay with the fact that I was born male. Eventually I went, being celibate my entire life but being female is preferable to the status quo. So therefore for me even the worst case scenario on the romance front is better than not transitioning. Definitely think of stuff like that beforehand. I don't mean to scare you off, but if things like that seem an okay trade off then again, it's a good sign that transition may be the right path.
I understand were your coming from. Before I started out, I researched the hell out of everything and wanted to know exactly how this would unfold.
While you can get a good general idea of what to expect and what you need to do, like the rest of life, transition (and especially HRT) is full of surprises.
The great thing is, i showed my aunt (closest family member) Carmen Carrera and said "look how beautiful she is!" She LOVESSSS Rupauls Drag race. I (just testing the waters) said to her, "i could probably do what she does." My aunt replied saying, you probably could, you have a pretty face with feminine qualities, you would be a pretty girl or a very handsome boy. I then proceeded to tell her that I have been thinking about it for a long time, much more in depth the last few days. She said "Now i can make fun of you when you trip in heels!" It was such a relief to have her joke around with it, rather than getting the cold shoulder. I explained to her that if i do this, i would be going ALL the way. I would get FFS, along with SRS and BA. She said "Don't get bigger tits than me or i will be pissed." I explained to my best friend my thoughts on it and she was totally cool with it and assumed i would veer that way, due to the lack of mannerisms i have. It has been an easy road so far, but I've not really even started the transition.
that was my fear for a long time but I needed to fix myself.
I think if you have just started to come out to yourself some days ago, you should for now really explore yourself - get your feelings and emotions up and see what it is that you need. Trasnitioning can be fun if it is the right thing but it also is really hard and can not fulfil all the dreams. Look at your self and at whyt it is that makes you want this and what it is that you expect and desire. What would be different after Transitioning that you really feel you need? Do you need to be seen as a woman by others and be treated like a woman? Do womanly things? Have a female body? Get rid of the "thing downstairs"? Think about what you really want about transition and then think if this can only be reached by transitioning or if transitioning would make it easier to rech that what you want. Explore yourself and your feelings and desires and needs and motivations . Then maybe experiment with some stuff - simulate body or role and visual changes - maybe even "go out" - test various things and see how you are doing with these things emotionally.
If your self exploration tells you this is probably the only way to go, visit a gender experienced therapist.
Quote from: anjaq on November 24, 2013, 07:33:30 PM
I think if you have just started to come out to yourself some days ago, you should for now really explore yourself - get your feelings and emotions up and see what it is that you need. Trasnitioning can be fun if it is the right thing but it also is really hard and can not fulfil all the dreams. Look at your self and at whyt it is that makes you want this and what it is that you expect and desire. What would be different after Transitioning that you really feel you need? Do you need to be seen as a woman by others and be treated like a woman? Do womanly things? Have a female body? Get rid of the "thing downstairs"? Think about what you really want about transition and then think if this can only be reached by transitioning or if transitioning would make it easier to rech that what you want. Explore yourself and your feelings and desires and needs and motivations . Then maybe experiment with some stuff - simulate body or role and visual changes - maybe even "go out" - test various things and see how you are doing with these things emotionally.
If your self exploration tells you this is probably the only way to go, visit a gender experienced therapist.
I mean i have known for a long time that i would much rather be a girl, treated like a girl, go shopping like a girl, you name it. I've been out of the closet as gay since i was a junior in high school (16 years old, i'm now 21). But i've been considering a sex change, just never knew that so many people have already done it. Which it's nice ot read about experiences and people being happy the way i want to be happy.
Quote from: CuriousAboutLife on November 24, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
I mean i have known for a long time that i would much rather be a girl, treated like a girl, go shopping like a girl, you name it. I've been out of the closet as gay since i was a junior in high school (16 years old, i'm now 21). But i've been considering a sex change, just never knew that so many people have already done it. Which it's nice ot read about experiences and people being happy the way i want to be happy.
That's like me, though I came out as gay at 12. I found out a sex change was possible at around 16 and have been flirting with the idea ever since. But one thing I will say, which I think other ladies here are trying to get at, is this isn't a race.
Make sure you take the time to really explore. I know from experience. About a year ago I was pretty much EXACTLY where you are. I came out as trans to my parents, and my closest friends, I got my letter for HRT, it was all systems go. I was excited and sprinting towards transition.
Then since I didn't take the time to get to know myself and explore why I REALLY wanted to do this and the consequences/reality of it, when it got to the point where my HRT appointment neared, I freaked out, didn't go, and sorta half-receded into the closet for almost another year.
Now here I am, with my appointments once again set up to start HRT but this time is so different. I took that time to explore my options and myself. I also took the time to come to terms with what this means for the rest of my life and the real possible consequences of doing this. For you as well, being attracted to men as I am (yay soon to be FORMER gay boys! :-P), the fact that being with the wrong guy, or disclosing at the wrong time that you were born male, could mean the worst.
I was so euphoric when I first came to terms with being trans about a year ago, and my super easy coming out to my family and close friends heightened that sense that this is easy and there will be no consequences, that I didn't take the time to deal with any of these things and it led to a freak out as things got real and another year back in the closet.
Now this is not to say you haven't dealt with these things, but it's just to say, be careful and make sure you have. I see a lot of myself circa 2012 in how you're talking about this, and better you take a step back if you need to and explore than sprint towards the finish line.
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Your questions are all normal and relevant. To start the process you need to consult a gender therapist who will go through your history, your problems and your expectations. Then if you have no co-morbidities you may be offered hormonal reassignment with the expectation that you will start to live full time as your chosen gender. The standards of care we are treated under are in the wiki or go to www.wpath.org and read SOVC version 7. That will be how you are treated.
Yes you will be required to dress and be a female in real life. If you desire surgery this requirement is for a minimum of a year. You are then reassessed if you wish to proceed to surgery.
On HRT you will become sterile and probably lose the ability to have a penile erection. You will develop breasts and you will undergo skin softening. You will require laser and maybe electrolysis to remove facial hair. Many of us undergo mental changes on HRT and become more feminine in outlook. We also need to 'learn' how to be women in our society with the risks that involves.
You will need to change your official documents to reflect your status. You will be, hopefully be a normal woman, whatever that means.
I will caution you that there are woman of all parts of the spectrum here and all are welcome and equal on this site. Some have had GRS, FFS, tracheal shaves and voice surgery etc others have not. All are equal. Some are content to 'cross-dress' and they are perfectly normal and welcome. Some like I am a normal woman in society who is accepted and respected as such. I am no more or no less of a woman than any of my sisters.
Welcome to the site and I hope your journey is a good one.
Cindy
This is not an easy journey for any of us. There is discrimination and intolerance, there is also love and acceptance.
Quote from: CuriousAboutLife on November 24, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
I mean i have known for a long time that i would much rather be a girl, treated like a girl, go shopping like a girl, you name it. I've been out of the closet as gay since i was a junior in high school (16 years old, i'm now 21). But i've been considering a sex change, just never knew that so many people have already done it. Which it's nice ot read about experiences and people being happy the way i want to be happy.
Hi. I dont want to be a downer, but please really consider this carefully and explore your motivations. A lot about the whole "sex change" is about physical changes. But basically there are two main motivators that are noticeable. One is the social and the other is the physical component. The social one is about gender roles - going shopping, doing your hair, chatting with girls, dressing up, being "treated like a girl", cry, being with a boyfriend... etc - the other component is about the body, the need to feel breasts, a female body, female genitals, a female face in the mirror and all of it. In most, one of these two aspects is dominant. To explore this for yourself, imagine you are living in a society where there are no gender roles - men as well as women are totally normal if they do all these deminine or masculine things, playing with dolls or trucks, going shopping at the shoe store or the hardware store etc, there is a free choice of who to have sex with genderwise and no homophobia. They still are having male and femal bodies though. Would you be ok in such a society or would you still suffer and want to change your body? This thought experiment may give you a clue about what it is that you expect from transitioning, if it is more the social/gender role aspect or more the physical aspect and then set your priorities accordingly.
And the second word of caution is that tranistion is not perfect - a lot can go wrong, not much will be perfect, it is painful and can lead to a lot of hardship, there are complications involved in the surgeries - it is not something that should be taken lightly. It may seem nowadays that it is a walk in the park as so many are doing it and some articles, media or websites make it seem so easy and well defined. It is not. You should make sure that you want to go through all of this and think about how it will be in 10 or 20 years - if you will still be happy about this, if you could not be happy without this.
I dont want to sound too negative her enow, just cauteous ;) - If you do find out that this is something you really NEED to do, there is plenty of support to go through with it and you would not be alone.
Greetings
A.
My motto (and it definitely applies with transition) is prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and expect anything in between.
You may or may not need FFS. You may come to the realization that SRS isn't for you. The financial aspect is tough - but things may or may not fall into place to get clothes, hair removal, HRT, FFS, SRS etc.
I will say this - being treated as a female is very different. It feels good, but sometimes it sucks how much crap women get. You'll go from an abrupt jerk-world of male dominance where men don't give a crap about your feelings and say the most blunt, mean crap without a care; to an underhanded sneaky "what is she planning" kind of world where women will take you down before you know it.
It's just a different life, it really is. Some good, some bad. The only reason I wouldn't go back is that I am me, and that feels better than the bull crap women go through every day.