Personally, ill always think of myself as trans even if I had everything done. Hypothetically, if i were to have bottom surgery & top and was on testosterone would I still be defined as trans just because I had to take testosterone?
I was born female, but assigned male at birth. I can't blame the doctors (the only intersex condition I have is being transgender). If I get the surgery I have the option to change my birth certificate to F. I don't know if I would... I won't be stealth.
But that doesn't change who I was or the path I am taking now. Being transgender means being strong, facing incredible opposition, facing all odds (they are not in our favor) and coming out victorious. I'll always be transgender.
Quote from: TrojanMan on November 27, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Personally, ill always think of myself as trans even if I had everything done. Hypothetically, if i were to have bottom surgery & top and was on testosterone would I still be defined as trans just because I had to take testosterone?
I found that people have very different thoughts about that. I know some people consider it like a birth defect so that if they do the above they, while wouldn't be cis, they still would feel that they are "transitioned" (past tense). I personally consider that I am trans regardless and really identify that way. I think that your brain tells you how you will identify and basically everything here is valid. (I have been on T for 9 months and a month post-op for top surgery.)
--Jay
That's a good question I personally wouldn't consider myself trans for my whole life, I was never female in my oppinion and I'm sure others would agree, I could care less about my outward appearence, I think after you have transitioned it wouldn't make since to keep callin myself a transmen, Like if I was 20 somethin years old If I already transitioned my past is my past so I'm leaving it behind so I can go towards my future, If I keep living in what was or what I use to have or was in some peoples oppinion, In others words you can't get to your future if your stuck in the past, Especially if you have a significant other and you settled down no one would need to know accept her in my case, But I will not call myself a transman for the rest of my life
I consider myself male. I don't identify as trans. The trans community knows me as trans but I am stealth for the most part. I dislike outing myself as trans because I feel like I am pulling my pants down in public; that when people know I'm trans they wonder about my junk and I don't like the way that makes me feel.
My birth certificate now says male. I am male. End of story.
I am out as gay, though. Because I am.
Jay
Quote from: TrojanMan on November 27, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Personally, ill always think of myself as trans even if I had everything done. Hypothetically, if i were to have bottom surgery & top and was on testosterone would I still be defined as trans just because I had to take testosterone?
IMO no, you would not be cis. You would still be trans because you transitioned from one sex to the other. Cis people were born in the right sex. Trans people were not.
Quote from: sneakersjay on November 27, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
I consider myself male. I don't identify as trans. The trans community knows me as trans but I am stealth for the most part. I dislike outing myself as trans because I feel like I am pulling my pants down in public; that when people know I'm trans they wonder about my junk and I don't like the way that makes me feel.
I feel the same as Jay.
For me, I will always classify myself as a transman, at least in the privacy in my own home. I hesitate to even classify myself as a male. I was born a female and no matter what I do or how many surgeries I get, I will always remain a biological female. If they were to dig my bons up after I die, they would discover female bones. My chromosomes will always remain female. It's a tough thing for me to accept, but I'm getting there slowly. It doesn't bother me like it originally did because I don't care what my chromosomes or bones say. I am a man. For me, male does not equal man. Now for the sake of simplicity and safety, I will identify as a cisman to the majority of the world, aside from my partner, my doctor, Big Brother, the NSA, the trans community, a few select friends, and my family.
CIS as a prefix to gendered was developed in order to distinguish between people who match the gender they were assigned at birth, just as trans is used as a prefix to indicate a person who did NOT match their assigned gender.
The reason for this is that we as people needed a way to distinguish between the two without fumbling around with offensive terms like "normal", which implies that the other case is "abnormal". It's just a tool.
But yes, in my opinion, you can make your outside body match your inner gender, and at that point for all intents and purposes you may as well have been born with a body and mind that matched up. However, since you have transitioned, since you have *fought* your biology to become the person you are at that point, you will always be a little bit *more*. For one thing, a person who has transitioned will almost certainly be more appreciative than someone born into a matching body, because they had to *work* for it, and they *know* what it is like to mismatch.
*hug*
I don't identify myself as trans, but I accept the fact that I'm classified as trans, and don't have a problem with that. In the future, after all surgeries and hormones than I choose to have and have finished my transition I'll still be classed as trans. I can't say that I'm cis, because I haven't had the full experience of a cis male, and as a trans person I've had some unique experiences.
After I have the surgeries and pass as male 100% of the time, I see no need to tell others that I was born a girl.
While you wont have ot tell people, its not going to magically go back in time and make you biologically male.. so no, it wont make you "cis gendered"
Quote from: geek on November 28, 2013, 05:22:28 AM
While you wont have ot tell people, its not going to magically go back in time and make you biologically male.. so no, it wont make you "cis gendered"
I disagree, cis means opposite "being comfortable in your body and no brain and body mismatch" so techniqually after you have transitioned you no longer would consider yourself a transmale you already transitioned no need to.
Having transitioned and having SRS at 24, I considered that to be correcting a birth defect, in effect being cured of being transsexual and never carried an asterisk. If others have trouble with my ancient medical history TOUGH!. Does a person born with a cleft pallet carry an asterisk? Does someone who's club foot was surgically corrected have to carry an asterisk? HAVING to always identify with a congenital abnormality is just a sign of a SICK society! It happens because of other people's fears and insecurities! JMHO.
At this point, I believe I'd still think of myself as transgender, not for my medical history, but because I think my life would have been significantly different had I been born with the average male body.
Basically, having to transition has affected my existence enough that I would still see it as part of me, even if I am ever completely satisfied with my body. That doesn't mean I'd want to share my identity with just anyone, though.
Quote from: Brandon on November 28, 2013, 11:04:32 AM
I disagree, cis means opposite "being comfortable in your body and no brain and body mismatch" so techniqually after you have transitioned you no longer would consider yourself a transmale you already transitioned no need to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender
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Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where an individual's self-perception of their gender matches the sex
they were assigned at birth.
Quote from: geek on November 28, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender
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Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where an individual's self-perception of their gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.
Well their are many definitions, But after transitioned there is no need to call yourself a trans male you already transitioned thats all I'm sayin
Quote from: Brandon on November 28, 2013, 11:25:47 PM
Well their are many definitions, But after transitioned there is no need to call yourself a trans male you already transitioned thats all I'm sayin
Theres no reason to do that anyway unless you want to :)
No. Regardless of beliefs or wishes, etc, by definition you can never be cis if your birth assigned sex did not match your gender.
Doesn't mean you have to identify as trans though. I don't. I see being trans as being some medical issue for which I treat with injections and surgery in a private manner, i.e. people don't need to know. So I identify simply as a man. Only those who knew me as my female name know different but anyone new I meet just knows me as Jack without any explanation. Being trans doesn't define me, it's just a medically managed aspect. I look at it as being no different than my life long ear problem that require drugs and surgery. I don't meet someone new and immediately mention that I have inner ear problems so why mention being trans? Neither defines who I am as a person.
Even if there was some medical breakthrough and I could get an inner ear transplant, I could never say I was born without ear problems, but at the same time I don't have to tell people that I was born with ear problems either. It's kinda the same idea with cis.
As already stated, it was specifically designed to better refer to those born the matching sex to gender to avoid fumbling over how to put it without the offensive "normal" statement. That's the only reason for it even existing.
Yes the word cis only exists to keep from calling some people "normal". Normal is a dryer setting. :)
--Jay
Well no one is society needs to know, and labels are just that, a way to distinguish objects for the purpose of distinguishing them.
All my legal documents are gender marked Female. I just got my new passport today!
No one needs to know your gender, your sexual orientation, your religion or anything, unless you feel some need to tell them.
I think I shall refer to myself as post-trans, I was, I did, I'm done. :laugh:
It's your past, you decide what to do with your secret. We all have them..plus it's a private matter that only when you feel secure enough with someone, you'll share. I do agree though that once you find someone you love and you think they're the one, tell them before you take a step further.
Still, when I hear stories of people feeling "betrayed" once they learn a close friend or bf/gf are transsexual, I find it ridiculous. I don't see at what point must I point out "oh look, I'm transsexual, I was born a female, so you shouldn't be attracted to me or befriend me because of my birth condition, I'm not "normal" or what you consider normal at least" if I do get to the point in telling you, is because I believe I can trust you enough and like you enough to let you in, I expect you to feel honored, it's a rare thing I personally would do.
It's not being ashamed of being transsexual, I just believe that people need to stop so self-centered and ignorant and stop judging others based on what makes them different. I wouldn't judge you base on your race, height, gender, sexual orientation or disabilities, so why should you judge me before you get to fully see the real "me"
Man, our generation needs to change what our past generation couldn't change.
Quote from: M a t t on November 29, 2013, 01:35:13 AM
It's your past, you decide what to do with your secret. We all have them..plus it's a private matter that only when you feel secure enough with someone, you'll share. I do agree though that once you find someone you love and you think they're the one, tell them before you take a step further.
Still, when I hear stories of people feeling "betrayed" once they learn a close friend or bf/gf are transsexual, I find it ridiculous. I don't see at what point must I point out "oh look, I'm transsexual, I was born a female, so you shouldn't be attracted to me or befriend me because of my birth condition, I'm not "normal" or what you consider normal at least" if I do get to the point in telling you, is because I believe I can trust you enough and like you enough to let you in, I expect you to feel honored, it's a rare thing I personally would do.
It's not being ashamed of being transsexual, I just believe that people need to stop so self-centered and ignorant and stop judging others based on what makes them different. I wouldn't judge you base on your race, height, gender, sexual orientation or disabilities, so why should you judge me before you get to fully see the real "me"
Man, our generation needs to change what our past generation couldn't change.
+1
Having been somewhat brutally pulled up on this very point in another thread the other day can I just say that I TOTALLY 100% support this argument.
There comes a point, and only you can tell when that point is reached, when your past becomes just that, merely an interesting footnote.
We were all once babies - no one tells you that because you have once been a baby therefore you must go on identifying as a baby all your life or be accused of being dishonest, aggressive, ashamed, or in denial. Yes I accept that some people get to skip having been trans or intersex, but that still doesn't mean that anyone has the right to force you to permanently identify in a way that is no longer relevant to who you are.
I was highly irritated when someone, who thankfully subsequently appears to have left the site, tried to do it to me. they did it on the basis of an unfortunate misunderstanding between myself and another user (my friend Jen) which ironically we had already pretty well patched up privately.
So yes - we all have pasts - sometimes out of respect or desire to trust we may choose to let people in. That decision is surely ours to make and theirs to respect.
(By which I mean realising that we are not defined by our past. Either that or the whole concept of transition becomes meaningless, because if you WERE permanently defined by your past then we would ALL still be what we were born, a concept that I find to be patently untrue.)
Quote from: Doctorwho? on November 29, 2013, 02:37:55 AM
Having been somewhat brutally pulled up on this very point in another thread the other day can I just say that I TOTALLY 100% support this argument.
There comes a point, and only you can tell when that point is reached, when your past becomes just that, merely an interesting footnote.
We were all once babies - no one tells you that because you have once been a baby therefore you must go on identifying as a baby all your life or be accused of being dishonest, aggressive, ashamed, or in denial. Yes I accept that some people get to skip having been trans or intersex, but that still doesn't mean that anyone has the right to force you to permanently identify in a way that is no longer relevant to who you are.
I was highly irritated when someone, who thankfully subsequently appears to have left the site, tried to do it to me. they did it on the basis of an unfortunate misunderstanding between myself and another user (my friend Jen) which ironically we had already pretty well patched up privately.
So yes - we all have pasts - sometimes out of respect or desire to trust we may choose to let people in. That decision is surely ours to make and theirs to respect.
(By which I mean realising that we are not defined by our past. Either that or the whole concept of transition becomes meaningless, because if you WERE permanently defined by your past then we would ALL still be what we were born, a concept that I find to be patently untrue.)
Exactly my past is my past the only one who needs to know is my future gf/wife that's it, excellent point about the baby thing
I think we're getting off topic and into a whole new discussion. It's not about whether you need to tell people, that's a standard no. Stealth is fine. Whatever floats your boat. I'm 50/50 because there's some people I still talk to or work with that knew me by female name, but anyone new just knows me as Jack and that's it. You don't need to advertise that you're trans. But are you going to be cis? No. However, it's a relatively unknown word outside trans circles so why would you need to fixate on that? It's used in the LGBT community to differenciate between being born matching sex and gender and born with a gender differing from sex. I personally feel that it is important to clarify the difference and keep the definition intact. To strive toward being cis is extremely insulting to me, like being trans is abnormal and you want to be normal. That determination to have a title you can't have is insulting and is exactly why the term cis was identified as being required for better differentiation between us. Becoming cis is an unachievable goal.
But there's nothing wrong with that. Cis is just a definition for us really. It's not like you have guys walking around that have nothing to do with the LGBT community discussing what it's like to be cis and the challenges they face as a cis person.
Quote from: Jack_M on November 29, 2013, 08:47:03 PM
I think we're getting off topic and into a whole new discussion. It's not about whether you need to tell people, that's a standard no. Stealth is fine. Whatever floats your boat. I'm 50/50 because there's some people I still talk to or work with that knew me by female name, but anyone new just knows me as Jack and that's it. You don't need to advertise that you're trans. But are you going to be cis? No. However, it's a relatively unknown word outside trans circles so why would you need to fixate on that? It's used in the LGBT community to differenciate between being born matching sex and gender and born with a gender differing from sex. I personally feel that it is important to clarify the difference and keep the definition intact. To strive toward being cis is extremely insulting to me, like being trans is abnormal and you want to be normal. That determination to have a title you can't have is insulting and is exactly why the term cis was identified as being required for better differentiation between us. Becoming cis is an unachievable goal.
But there's nothing wrong with that. Cis is just a definition for us really. It's not like you have guys walking around that have nothing to do with the LGBT community discussing what it's like to be cis and the challenges they face as a cis person.
I thought Cis meant your brain and body match, What's wrong with wanting to be Cis obviously if I could be a bio male I would have been snaped my fingers if I could I do wanna be a normal guy how is that insulting I sure don't want to keep on identifying is Trans for the rest of my life
There is nothing wrong about wanting to be cis. Heck, I would love to be cis. But the thing is that no amount of HRT or surgeries will change the medical/biological fact of being trans. Identifying as a trans or not is a different thing. I don't identify as trans, I identify as male but I am also trans because... well, that's just one of those things in life I can't change no matter what I do.
Quote from: Brandon on November 29, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
I thought Cis meant your brain and body match, What's wrong with wanting to be Cis obviously if I could be a bio male I would have been snaped my fingers if I could I do wanna be a normal guy how is that insulting I sure don't want to keep on identifying is Trans for the rest of my life
The fact of the matter is that the current definition of cis, which is your brain and body are aligned from birth (emphasis on the birth part). That doesn't mean you have to identify as trans, or even that there is something wrong with wishing you were cis.
Quote from: wheat thins are delicious on November 30, 2013, 12:20:17 AM
The fact of the matter is that the current definition of cis, which is your brain and body are aligned from birth (emphasis on the birth part). That doesn't mean you have to identify as trans, or even that there is something wrong with wishing you were cis.
^This
Cis does not mean body and brain match, and it's not really up for us to define or interpret it any other way in the same way we wouldn't want someone cis trying to change the definition of trans. It means you were BORN that way. You don't have to identify as trans but medically and by definition you cannot be cis. So a quest to be cis is unattainable as well as insulting as by wanting to be cis, it makes any post transition achievements seem less worthy. A transman who has fully transitioned to where they're happy, be that medically or socially is the goal. We can't erase the fact that we're born trans but we don't have to identify as such in the same way people don't have to identify as fat or skinny, diabetic or non diabetic, disabled or non disabled, etc.
Of course a large majority of us would have far preferred to have been born cis, but that didn't happen. The definition is in place merely as a way to define between the two. No one is saying it's man vs transman. What it is is who is male by birth and who is male by transition be it medical or social. It exists for comparing only in trans circles or to explain what is and isn't possible with transition, e.g. if I do X will it makes me equivalent to a cis-male?
My issue is merely with regards to this becoming something where the term loses its point. It was defined as a way to avoid the insulting "normal" VS trans idea because to us it is obviously not abnormal to be trans. The word also helps cis individuals find a better word to use when trying to educate themselves as allies. As soon as an attempt to change the definition begins, the more it goes back to a trans VS normal insult.
Quote from: Jack_M on November 30, 2013, 01:08:06 AM
My issue is merely with regards to this becoming something where the term loses its point. It was defined as a way to avoid the insulting "normal" VS trans idea because to us it is obviously not abnormal to be trans. The word also helps cis individuals find a better word to use when trying to educate themselves as allies. As soon as an attempt to change the definition begins, the more it goes back to a trans VS normal insult.
It also has a lot to do with privilege. Cis privilege is real and is something that no trans person can have, whether fully transitioned or not. If (assuming you're not gay) you're dating a member of the opposite sex and don't tell them you're trans and can't have kids, when they find out you lie by omission it's infinitely worse than just telling them up front... but telling up front is something cis people don't have to do... it's their privilege.
There's no way to become cis. You are always transgender and it will always be a part of who you are... and that's a good thing! This is a FTM forum (sorry ~ I found this thread on the "unread posts" page ;)): how many men out there know about the lack of privilege women have? How many cis men act misogynistically? Probably that's something most of you avoid more easily, because you've been there. There are benefits to being transgender. We know more about gender and gender roles than anyone cis, male or female. We've broken the barrier between genders in society and we can help cis people, none of whom really meet the feminine or masculine ideal, learn to break their own barriers down.
Being stealth has nothing to do with it. You can do all of that without being out to anyone (other than when/if seriously dating).
Quote from: Jack_M on November 30, 2013, 01:08:06 AM
^This
Cis does not mean body and brain match, and it's not really up for us to define or interpret it any other way in the same way we wouldn't want someone cis trying to change the definition of trans. It means you were BORN that way. You don't have to identify as trans but medically and by definition you cannot be cis. So a quest to be cis is unattainable as well as insulting as by wanting to be cis, it makes any post transition achievements seem less worthy. A transman who has fully transitioned to where they're happy, be that medically or socially is the goal. We can't erase the fact that we're born trans but we don't have to identify as such in the same way people don't have to identify as fat or skinny, diabetic or non diabetic, disabled or non disabled, etc.
Of course a large majority of us would have far preferred to have been born cis, but that didn't happen. The definition is in place merely as a way to define between the two. No one is saying it's man vs transman. What it is is who is male by birth and who is male by transition be it medical or social. It exists for comparing only in trans circles or to explain what is and isn't possible with transition, e.g. if I do X will it makes me equivalent to a cis-male?
My issue is merely with regards to this becoming something where the term loses its point. It was defined as a way to avoid the insulting "normal" VS trans idea because to us it is obviously not abnormal to be trans. The word also helps cis individuals find a better word to use when trying to educate themselves as allies. As soon as an attempt to change the definition begins, the more it goes back to a trans VS normal insult.
That's what I thought it meant uh you can't be a biological male thoes arent the same definitions so in a way you can be cis its just opposite your not gonna be trans for the reat of your life so that makes no since what so ever, Bio and Cis don't mean the same
Quote from: kabit on November 30, 2013, 06:24:29 AM
It also has a lot to do with privilege. Cis privilege is real and is something that no trans person can have, whether fully transitioned or not. If (assuming you're not gay) you're dating a member of the opposite sex and don't tell them you're trans and can't have kids, when they find out you lie by omission it's infinitely worse than just telling them up front... but telling up front is something cis people don't have to do... it's their privilege.
There's no way to become cis. You are always transgender and it will always be a part of who you are... and that's a good thing! This is a FTM forum (sorry ~ I found this thread on the "unread posts" page ;)): how many men out there know about the lack of privilege women have? How many cis men act misogynistically? Probably that's something most of you avoid more easily, because you've been there. There are benefits to being transgender. We know more about gender and gender roles than anyone cis, male or female. We've broken the barrier between genders in society and we can help cis people, none of whom really meet the feminine or masculine ideal, learn to break their own barriers down.
Being stealth has nothing to do with it. You can do all of that without being out to anyone (other than when/if seriously dating).
I'm not always gonna be ftm after Ive transitioned that's the end of it sorry I strongly disagree that's implying that my past is still in my future I am a man ftm or not I could care less abut whats below and sorry I don't see being trans as a blessing, I don't even like the word ftm I was never female, My past is my past
Quote from: Brandon on November 30, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
I'm not always gonna be ftm after Ive transitioned that's the end of it sorry I strongly disagree that's implying that my past is still in my future I am a man ftm or not I could care less abut whats below and sorry I don't see being trans as a blessing, I don't even like the word ftm I was never female, My past is my past
No one is saying that you always have to identify as trans or ftm. Not now, not once you've transitioned. Some people do, and that's fine for them, but you don't have to, and nor do I. I am trans by definition, and for the sake of medical purposes and so I can find places like this with others going through similar stuff, not because I choose to identify that way. As far as I'm concerned I'm just male, unless there's call for me to specify further, just like as far as I'm concerned I have 10 fully functioning digits, but doctors might be interested to know that I had surgery to cut open the sheath my tendon runs through on the little finger of my left hand, which I've also broken the metacarpal of.
Some people are fortunate enough to see that being trans has blessed them with different experiences which has enhanced their outlook or approach to life. Other people don't. It's a tiny sliver of a silver lining, but it is there. There's no rule saying you have to agree. Let people be happy finding the good in things where they can, positivity is good. Try it.
Quote from: Brandon on November 30, 2013, 03:13:46 PM
That's what I thought it meant uh you can't be a biological male thoes arent the same definitions so in a way you can be cis its just opposite your not gonna be trans for the reat of your life so that makes no since what so ever, Bio and Cis don't mean the same
In this sense, bio and cis do mean the same. Cis means that you were born into the body of the same gender as your brain, and, as far as I can work out, you use bio to refer to someone who is biologically a certain gender and has remained and is happy with that gender. There's a reason not many other people use the term bio, and that's because we've already got more suitable words for it, cis, or assigned male/female at birth. Like it or not, as you said, we won't become "biological males", which means that we're something other than cis men, which is trans men, so yes, in a technical and medical sense we will be trans forever, but no one is making you identify as anything you don't want to be. Identify as just a man.
Quote from: AlexanderC on November 30, 2013, 03:37:48 PM
No one is saying that you always have to identify as trans or ftm. Not now, not once you've transitioned. Some people do, and that's fine for them, but you don't have to, and nor do I. I am trans by definition, and for the sake of medical purposes and so I can find places like this with others going through similar stuff, not because I choose to identify that way. As far as I'm concerned I'm just male, unless there's call for me to specify further, just like as far as I'm concerned I have 10 fully functioning digits, but doctors might be interested to know that I had surgery to cut open the sheath my tendon runs through on the little finger of my left hand, which I've also broken the metacarpal of.
Some people are fortunate enough to see that being trans has blessed them with different experiences which has enhanced their outlook or approach to life. Other people don't. It's a tiny sliver of a silver lining, but it is there. There's no rule saying you have to agree. Let people be happy finding the good in things where they can, positivity is good. Try it.
In this sense, bio and cis do mean the same. Cis means that you were born into the body of the same gender as your brain, and, as far as I can work out, you use bio to refer to someone who is biologically a certain gender and has remained and is happy with that gender. There's a reason not many other people use the term bio, and that's because we've already got more suitable words for it, cis, or assigned male/female at birth. Like it or not, as you said, we won't become "biological males", which means that we're something other than cis men, which is trans men, so yes, in a technical and medical sense we will be trans forever, but no one is making you identify as anything you don't want to be. Identify as just a man.
Ok the definition of being transsexual is being uncomfortable in your assiigned sex so you transition after awhile everything is gonna be on one accord, so you would no longer be trans because as I just said everything matches and your comfortable I'm sorry I'm not understanding I just don't agree but its fine
stop nit picking for the sake of it, youre never EVER going to be biologically male, in 1000 years when they dig up your body, guess what theyre gonna see? tip: its not going to be the testosterone, or the facial hair, or anything but your skeleton, and guess what that says? yeah. it doesnt matter how you identify, its all just words, at the end of the day you still changed your gender, regardless of what you call it
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Quote from: Brandon on November 30, 2013, 03:49:36 PM
Ok the definition of being transsexual is being uncomfortable in your assiigned sex so you transition after awhile everything is gonna be on one accord, so you would no longer be trans because as I just said everything matches and your comfortable I'm sorry I'm not understanding I just don't agree but its fine
Then by your definition alone, you can't actually ever be not trans because you never match without on going treatment. It's a life long process! So at what point can you not be trans if you forever have to take treatment (HRT) to manage the fact that you were born the wrong sex? And if you choose not to treat it medically or stop hormone treatments, your body is not, or no longer chemically male.
Honestly, it's like a diabetic saying they don't have diabetes anymore because they take insulin injections. It just doesn't add up.
There's only 2 terms. Cis and trans. We can't be cis, and there should never be a word developed for non trans because it's both incorrect, insulting and adds to segregation within the trans community that now people have a term for when they're supposidly post transition but then what is post transition? Is it all about the surgeries? Is it length of time on hormones? How would we define that? Trans is an umbrella term. It accounts for everyone that has any variation on the gender spectrum at whatever stage they happen to be at striving towards whatever goals they personally have. It's as inclusive and inviting as it gets. It's not something that can ever be fully "cured" so to speak. Ask someone who's been on hormones for decades and living stealth if they are never affected by trans issues and it's highly doubtful it doesn't come up ever for them. I've been living 50/50 stealth for a while now (mostly the only people that know are through work) and I've made some fantastic new mates. It's been a whole new world for me being a legit one of the guys and not 'one of the guys' as a perceived female, and I'm loving it. But I can tell they have no clue I'm trans because they'll make stereotypical sexist jokes (nothing crazier than the stereotype stuff girls say before anyone pounces on sexist jokes) and while it's great and awesome, there's that little voice in my head that says, "I wonder if these guys would change if they every found out." I only associate myself with open minded individuals so if they found out, I'd highly doubt they'd be douchebags and refuse to be friends, but I can't help but wonder if they would change. And I sincerely doubt that niggling feeling will ever go away. It may not be as common and sometimes it won't even cross my mind. But then something will happen, some comment will bring it all into focus be it a sexist joke or talking about their childhood and it'll come back.
I'm not against this thread or anything in it but it is becoming increasingly circular and diminishing to a dot.
I'm locking it for the sake of saving breath.
If anyone has an issue about that let me know and I'll consider unlocking it; if it will go somewhere.
Cindy