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I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask this, but I figured it was okay cuz its an open poll and m not asking anyone specific, and people can feel free to respond or not and share as much or as little as they like. Also, this poll is more for those who identify either wholly or partially on the female/femme spectrum of transgender (whether MtF, andrigynous, genderqueer, etc) but anyone can answer if they want :)

Also, to keep things non-complicated for those who may not consider themselves totally one gender, I avoided terms like homo/heterosexual and instead used andro/gynosexual.

Feel free to state your gender identity and any labels you may identify with (straight, gay/lesbian, etc) in your response, as well :)

I'll start, I am completely androsexual (attracted to men) and get all silly if a cute guy so much as looks in my direction. My view on gender and my gender identity is complicated...I kinda have both an androgynous identity and presentation at the moment. Really, for me, I don't care either way, atm, people can see me as a girl or a boy, idgaf, either way I'm very femme.

Also, I consider myself gay because it's apart of my identity. And actually, even when I was fulltime in transition, I considered myself to be both gay and straight...but again, that has to do with my complicated view on gender..I guess you could say I see it that way cuz no matter how female I look, I'm still gay by biology, no matter what.

I'm currently asexual, mostly due to dysphoria though. I find sex with this body to be disgusting. But I suspect on hormones it'll change. Likely to bi or pan, but that's because I'm just a loving person, and don't really care about the package of my potential partner. That being said though, I find myself in fantasies to be sexually submissive, usually to men, so I think that'll be the way it'll go after HRT starts.

I like men. I consider myself a straight female with a defect.

I am attracted to girls, however as I said in another topic similar to this one. I'd be lying if I haven't fantasized about becoming female and being with a guy. Not sure if that classifies me as Bi....

I consider myself bi

I have had girl friends and a boyfriend in the past.

When I started HRT, i considered myself lesbian, and I still am attracted to women. I do sometimes go to lesbian bars. I am a real lipstick lesbian.

The boyfriend.. well he was guy I met and we clicked and that developed into something. We dated for almost 9 months. He was cool that I was a pre-op transexual. We did have a sexual relationship. I really enjoyed being the submissive woman in the bedroom. I actually enjoyed being the woman in the relationship. During I time together he bought me flowers, perfume and even something sexy to wear for him in the bedroom  ;)

I enjoyed the experience of having a boyfriend and yes I will want another one, but after SRS.. Maybe I will end up been a straight woman. The idea of being a mans wife is not a bad one in my head these days.

hello jussmoi4nao! I just wanted to say you are incredibly pretty in your profile pic!! I suppose pansexual. i thought i was just kind of strictly attracted to girls, then I did the same thing you do when a cute guy even so much as looks my way. And then i realized gender, or sexual preference i really dont care. if I like you then I like you. Trans, bi, straight. I just tell people i love everyone :p

I'm bi but I lean heavily towards men as far as attraction goes but I do women appealing too but it's more an emotional attraction with women than a physical one. But really a persons gender doesn't really matter with me as long as we click and enjoy spending time with each other. :)

I like men, but I still notice a nice woman's behind.

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on December 01, 2013, 01:54:01 AM
@Heather,

Just wanted to say, haven't seen you in a bit, but woww you're looking fabb!

Thanks I'm still around the site everyday I don't get to post as much but I'm here. Btw your looking quite fabb yourself!  :)

It would be interesting to include the age of transition into the question.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 01, 2013, 12:13:56 AM
I like men. I consider myself a straight female with a defect.

What she said...lol

Lesbian. Very femme lesbian. I think that made the dysphoria even more confusing in all honesty... :-\

That being said, I really believe "love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind. And therefore is winged cupid painted blind." Meaning if circumstances rendered me single (God I hope not!),  I could not rule out being with a gentleman... but I sure wouldn't be looking there if you get what I mean.  :P

I think the real mind blowing question is this: In the case of MtFs such as me did we prefer females because that is what parents and society demanded or does HRT break down the walls of what was suppressed and we really preferred men all along? I do agree with Heather on her point that I like females for the emotional attractiveness and men for the physical and protective aspects. (hope I got that right Heather)? Anyway, makes you stop and think, doesn't it?  ;)

My sexuality is really complicated.

I've never found a male attractive, before or after transition. I still cringe at the idea of sharing a house with or waking up next to a male.

OTOH, being in bed with a male doesn't seem so icky, now that I've started thinking of myself as softer and feminine.

Nowadays I don't feel attracted to much of anyone. Spiro has brought my chemical libido way down.

But I still have a VERY STRONG interest in sex. The wonder and curiosity of the human sexual experience still intensely fascinates me. I hope that intimacy is in my future.

I voted that I'm interested in women, because that's what mainly turns me on now, but that definitely doesn't tell the whole story.

Quote from: RJR on December 01, 2013, 12:27:26 AM
It kind of sucks to go from the pinnacle of society's ideal person to one of the least admired members, but, hey, it is what it is. 

Yeah. This.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on December 01, 2013, 03:50:24 AM
I think the real mind blowing question is this: In the case of MtFs such as me did we prefer females because that is what parents and society demanded or does HRT break down the walls of what was suppressed and we really preferred men all along? I do agree with Heather on her point that I like females for the emotional attractiveness and men for the physical and protective aspects. (hope I got that right Heather)? Anyway, makes you stop and think, doesn't it?  ;)

It is possible, In my case some of it simply has to do with availability, guys are more interested in me now I look female so I tend to end up dating men more.

As for me I'm Bi I was Bi before and Bi afterwards. Although my preference did shift at the time (towards men) since then it has shifted back abit (Towards women) So I'm thinking it's not really related.

I don't like thinking of myself as girly or tomboyish I'm abit of both. But this is because most of my interests are Geeky Technical/Mechanical and sciency and the insinuation that it's less feminine doesn't sit with me because it implies that a "Good Feminine girl" is a Vapid lump curves.

Quote from: RJR on December 01, 2013, 12:27:26 AM
Until 9 months ago I fancied myself as a cis hetero male.  Now I've acknowledged that I am in fact a lesbian transgender!

Wow!

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It kind of sucks to go from the pinnacle of society's ideal person to one of the least admired members, but, hey, it is what it is.

That must be hard.  :P

My sexuality: whatever.

I was, from the beginning (puberty), very much attracted to boys. That made it difficult in the early 1960s because shrinks wanted to label me homosexual even though I was insistent that I wasn't/shouldn't be a male, that I liked guys AS a woman!

With transition and SRS (1974) I was totally straight (as a woman) and pretty wild and the idea of being with a woman never occurred to me .... until it happened. (Alcohol was involved LOL!) At that point I had to acknowledge that there were certain advantages of being with a woman.

After all these years I still consider myself 98% straight and a handsome man still gets my heart racing and makes me wet but I am not exclusively straight.

Idk how anyone couldn't perfer men, well, good-looking men anyways. Good-looking men are so good-looking. <3

Plus their voices ohmahgawd

I'm not sure anymore but right now I'm in a 3 way relationship with another girl and a guy.

This is new and they both say they love me, so who knows how it will turn out. O.O

Especially since they are both 17 years younger than me, am not expecting a lot of maturity out of them. :/

I'm a completely straight woman, as Northern Jane says ''a handsome man gets my heart racing''

Quote from: noleen111 on December 01, 2013, 01:12:00 AM
Maybe I will end up been a straight woman. The idea of being a mans wife is not a bad one in my head these days.

Its a good life Noleen, I'm now 3 years married to a man, a man's wife these days. He does buy me flowers, perfume, jewellery and sexy nightwear to wear for him in our bedroom. He likes taking care of me, I like it too, its nice, he knows my history, he spoils me, most important of all, he completely and fully excepts me as a woman.

I am able to appreciate beauty and good looks and there are people I find attractive for various reasons but I'm generally not a sexually motivated individual

I'm one of those weird people who are more interested in friendships and relating with others and sex tends to be secondary if even a consideration at all

Well, I  haven't been sexually active for awhile ,but I had very beautiful relations with both .I  have of late for some reason been fantasizing of very delicious men, but I'm not exclusively for men. All though being the wife of a very wealthy man would be interesting. Then again I guess love is where you find happiness and in that case it would be who ever I meet and find love.

I'm attracted to women, even (okay, especially) other trans women. I'm submissive, so I kind of want to be there in the moment and have the other person do things to me, whatever they want... Excuse me for a moment...

*ahem* Anyways, I'm fine with penis (well, except for mine) I just don't like men. It probably has something to do with **TRIGGER** being raped **TRIGGER** as a child, but whatever. I might be over it, like, mentally, but I'm not over it emotionally, if that makes any sense. Guys are jerks anyway. If I could find another trans girl to hang out with; non-op, pre-op, post-op, doesn't matter; that would be my definition of heaven. With cis people, there's always the chance that they'll leave you for some other cis person because they can't deal with the whole trans thing. But another trans person? You girls get me, and I get you. We understand how it feels to live this way, there's a bond there.

Seriously, why don't we have the spoiler or blackout code enabled in BBCode for triggers? You'd think if any place would have it, it would be a trans forum...

I'm pansexual. Men, women, trans, whatever. But I have my preferences. Right now I lean more towards men, but I think my ideal relationship would be with either a man and a woman as their submissive or with a man and another female submissive. And since I joined here, I've also been leaning a bit more towards other transsexuals. ;)

I said "other."

I really don't know anymore.
I started out lesbian.
Then I started thinking I'm probably bi... leaning lesbian
I'm now thinking bi... leaning straight...

by the time I've been on HRT for a while... who knows???

I've been attracted to men my whole life and never did anything with a woman expect some kissing in elementary school because I don't find women sexually appealing at all. But after being on HRT for more than a year, now I'm developing feelings for this lesbain worker at my grocery store who is very friendly with me and there are very few women I would consider but only if they are very butch. Never has this happened to me before. Anyone else experience the same?

Quote from: HelloKitty on December 01, 2013, 07:47:48 AM
Especially since they are both 17 years younger than me, am not expecting a lot of maturity out of them. :/

You must be quite a bit older than your profile pic suggests...

I consider myself straight.  I'm only interested in dating or being intimate with a guy.  However, I do acknowledge there are attractive women out there and do think some other girls are pretty.  Yet, I have no desire to date a female or pursue anything physical.  It's just not for me.  So, I'm either straight or bi curious depending on how you look at it.  I have a hard time with labels, especially when I have to explain it to people who aren't familiar with the trans community and/or gender identity. 

Bisexual as a woman.

Although my standards for men are higher.

Not surprising, we're hitting the 30/30/30/10 mark, around about.

I'll just go with pansexual.  Once you're out as trans you're already way beyond queer anyway.  My sexuality is pretty irrelevant to me now.

Quote from: HelloKitty on December 01, 2013, 07:47:48 AM
I'm not sure anymore but right now I'm in a 3 way relationship with another girl and a guy.

This is new and they both say they love me, so who knows how it will turn out. O.O

Especially since they are both 17 years younger than me, am not expecting a lot of maturity out of them. :/

You go girl.....



I like women.  I tried with a guy and without the right parts, it just didn't work well.  Once I get the right parts, I may try again.  But still, women are wonderful....

I consider myself a panromantic lesbian. I don't really have any sexual attraction but I generally find any gender and/or sex attractive. I mainly stick to dating girls. So in one respect I'm pan and in another respect I'm a lesbian :]

I like men. I can appreciate their beauty but I just don't know what I would do with a woman that would interest me! lol.

I'm another who was bi before transition and bi after. Though slightly more interested in men than before (say, from 10% men and 90% women to 20/80), because there's a HUGE difference between the way a straight man treats a woman and the way a gay man treats someone he thinks is a bi man. Turns out that while the latter really turned me off, being seen as a woman by attractive straight men is kinda hot.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on December 01, 2013, 05:32:53 PM
being seen as a woman by attractive straight men is kinda hot.

Mmmmhmm! It seems so vanilla, and like I'm selling out, but.. I've just been fantasizing about men a lot lately, and having a big strong man dominating lil ol' me is just....mmph..    :embarrassed: *fans self* 

I can't seem to attribute it to my change in sex-drive though... I think it's more related to the change in how I perceive myself. Because before HRT, I saw myself and carried myself more like a man. And now perceiving myself as a woman, I guess I can actually see myself being with a guy.

Quote from: Ashey on December 01, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
Mmmmhmm! It seems so vanilla, and like I'm selling out, but.. I've just been fantasizing about men a lot lately, and having a big strong man dominating lil ol' me is just....mmph..    :embarrassed: *fans self* 

I can't seem to attribute it to my change in sex-drive though... I think it's more related to the change in how I perceive myself. Because before HRT, I saw myself and carried myself more like a man. And now perceiving myself as a woman, I guess I can actually see myself being with a guy.

Me too!!!!! And it doesn't have anything to do with HRT. I just can't see being gay and male. I don't think there's anything at all wrong with it... but it just doesn't work for me. . . but I'm not male.

All my fantasies (and I'm not even talking sexually - though.....) lately involve me being held and loved and protected. I suppose it could be a woman holding me close, but it just doesn't feel like it is.

I don't relate to men on any intellectual level right now, though... I suppose there could be exceptions, but that part of it is difficult for me to imagine.

I guess I am more a pansexual. Since starting HRT I guess I have shifted a little more to wanting sex with males than else.

great question. how many of us not think about this often especially when dressed? however the answer, at least for me, has to be fluid. i have a hard time sticking a label onto what i 'may' be as i think it is too hard. i read many posts here about who we are and oftentimes, the path becomes muddled with way too much intellectualization.
whatever happened to just how we feel? i know for one i have no interest in men, not even talking or getting to know them. however around women, i so want to become of them, be adopted by the group and be considered as an equal. i have always had an unending admiration of women. so much so that this led me to want to be like them.
harking back to my school years, i sometimes felt like i should have been born a girl, they are 'deeper' emotionally, are much more attractive and can have so much fun than i could ever imagine myself as a boy being, doing or having. desires of emulation of course gave way to underdressing as a way to explore this 'girl' inside me. and this went on and off for many years despite scaring me at first because i loved it so much.
recently though, underdressing has come back with a vengeance and i am now venturing farther into the world of woman-hood than before. the urge to dress more and more has led me to question what i have evolved into. my desire to become a woman is getting stronger and i am considering going on hrt to encourage my seemingly developing breasts (i now wear a bra as often as i can) to get slightly rounder and bigger. i don't think i want to transition at this time but i do want to experience life more as a woman. i am bored with the guy role i guess.
somehow i want my inner female to be acknowledged. as far as the sexual component is concerned, it is very strong and i think of myself as trans-lesbian if anything. however i have also recently been having these odd fantasies about being a woman with a man and being submissive for him. i fantasize about having a vagina and being slowly penetrated by a soft-skinned, hot and hard penis (although men still repulse me). i met this really cute guy 6 months ago and all i could think about was kissing his delicious lips and moving on from there. never happened before.
like i said, shifting sands... i wonder if this is all in my mind, awakened by all the great posts here or if it is real. i also wonder how more pronounced this could become with hrt. i know and have read how many girls here insist that hrt has zero bearing on sexual tendencies but just thinking about becoming more female makes me want to make love to a man more and more...

Quote from: Just Gwynne! on December 01, 2013, 02:16:53 PM
You must be quite a bit older than your profile pic suggests...

I am indeedy. 35 I be. :)
And yupperz that is 100% me in my profile pic, but without a wig as I used to wear.
Just got my hair chemically straightened and am growing it out.

i know i like them guys

Quote from: HelloKitty on December 01, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
I am indeedy. 35 I be. :)
And yupperz that is 100% me in my profile pic, but without a wig as I used to wear.
Just got my hair chemically straightened and am growing it out.

Nya, Kitty! I'm 35 too!


I think I put it in the happy thread, but I had a bit of a (tipsy) revelation. I'm a prepubescent girl (really... without all the baggage that label carries). I see guys like they would... something interesting, something I can't understand... but mostly "no boys allowed."

I just cannot know until I know.

Grats Kitty, I thought you were like 10 years younger. xD

I have only had sex, as a man, with women.

Every sexual fantasy I have ever had has been about having sex, as a woman, with men ... and not just sex, but the whole idea of being a man's female partner.

So when this process is over, I know what I'd like to be. But whether anyone will take me is another matter!

Women for me please.  :)
I don't see me fancying a hetro cis guy. Some of them can be hot, for sure - but that doesn't really turn me on. Maybe male anatomy reminds me too much of what I don't want to be.

It's weird, cuz like from what I've noticed, for me, my sexuality never changed on or off HRT or when I appear female vs when I appear male; I am 100% into guys, either way. BUT, the dynamics are different as a boy vs girl, I noticed.

As a boy there's a lot of...I guess you could say roles are important, and I prefer to be very submissive and like the guy to control me and all that, and there's just a lot of complex dynamics as a boy that extendc beyond just my attraction to a guy. My role in sex and such as a boy is pretty much as important as my attraction to my partner.

Then as a girl, it's like more focused on just my attraction to him, and like my role in it is totally irrelevant. I'm not thinking about me or what I want him to do to me, I'm thinking about him and being with him for him, not any kind of role or anything, although this is a little less intense and exciting than my sexuality as a boy, because I can admit that as male - and as a person that is attracted to males - im sexually attached to my own body, which I'm not as female taking away some of the intensity.

Soo, I think sexuality is complicated, but I dunno if orientation changes so much as dynamics change.

Quote from: Ashey on December 02, 2013, 12:51:37 AM
Grats Kitty, I thought you were like 10 years younger. xD

I can only hope you'd seen my picture! ;)

They say being trans takes off 10 years... but I thought that was only after HRT ;D

to men, definitely, but I am an "honest" woman and I really do not want to
ask for courtesy in a man, I am too much masculine, for now... not only because
of the genitals.

So for now I relate to men only in a virtual sense, mail, chat, phone calls.

My voice passes, so it is not a problem. When they want to date me I postpone,
I say that I am not ready.

I am prepared to some years of celibacy until SRS, I would want to be passable enough
and not to tell them my trans status.

Anyway, I will be over 45, I suppose, so a man would not want to date me for kids,
even a GG will be sterile, or almost sterile, at that age.

Quote from: HelloKitty on December 01, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
I am indeedy. 35 I be. :)
And yupperz that is 100% me in my profile pic, but without a wig as I used to wear.
Just got my hair chemically straightened and am growing it out.

...and you look great! And frankly, about 25.

I've only been with females although have had some curiosity for some guys, but I also have a stigma about guys due to a few attempted rapes

Thinking about it, I guess I was sexually active from my early teens up until my mid 30's

Now in my 50's I rarely ever feel much sexual interest for anyone

It would be nice to meet someone that could bring a spark, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that idea

Quote from: kabit on December 02, 2013, 05:25:18 AM
I can only hope you'd seen my picture! ;)

They say being trans takes off 10 years... but I thought that was only after HRT ;D

Yeah the hrt has barely done anything until October this year, it is starting to kick in now that my levels are going into the female range now. I can feel the difference.

Sorry for being lazy for not quoting all, but thanks everyone for your kind words about my appearance. Y'all are too sweet :)

I like to say I was straight before and straight after. Attracted to different people, sure... :)

I'm autogynephilic, sexualy attracted to the idea of feminization.

I'm pansexual, but mostly interested in other transgender females.

Well this topic has certainly been educational so far! It's honestly really interesting to see all these different perspectives coming out :D

So me personally?  My vote went to Gynosexual (awesome word by the way! ;) ), so that puts me in the lesbian bin.

I just *LOVE* the female body and mind, cis or trans*: genitalia is - to be honest - pretty irrelevant to me (I find both equally attractive hehe! :P ).  In contrast, the male body and mind does absolutely nothing for me.  I find males bland and boring - I always see them as being "in the background" and almost like they're in monochrome.  Females on the other hand to me are in the foreground, vibrant and full of colour and sparkle.  Nothing makes my heart melt quite like the girls do! ;D <333

Seeing as a few have mentioned dominance in a relationship: I love the idea of being *slightly* submissive.  It's always irked me that - in my male life - I was *ALWAYS EXPECTED* (without exception) to be the dominant one.  "Ugh ::) so er, hay there - when exactly do I get to lay back and loose myself in all this too?"  Don't get me wrong - I *LOVE* giving.  It'd just be nice to be the one being pinned down and having *MY* head sent into full whirlwind mode once in a while! :laugh: *blushes at such a thought* ;D

I have to admit - my fantasy's as of late have been turning heavily towards trans* girls.  I'm fairly sure it's simply a case of having opened the floodgates after denying such attraction for so long, and once my brain has had some fun exploring this new territory I'll almost certainly end up attracted to cis and trans* girls in equal measure.  It does kinda raise the question though: If two men are attracted to each other, they're gay.  If two women are attracted to each other, they're lesbian.  So what is it when two trans* girls get together?  Personally I call it lesbian, because what matters in my opinion is what you currently are in mind, not what you used to be in body.

Wow...  I clearly needed to get all that off my chest! :laugh: <333

Quote from: Starblaiz on December 02, 2013, 03:12:39 PM
Well this topic has certainly been educational so far! It's honestly really interesting to see all these different perspectives coming out :D

So me personally?  My vote went to Gynosexual (awesome word by the way! ;) ), so that puts me in the lesbian bin.

I just *LOVE* the female body and mind, cis or trans*: genitalia is - to be honest - pretty irrelevant to me (I find both equally attractive hehe! :P ).  In contrast, the male body and mind does absolutely nothing for me.  I find males bland and boring - I always see them as being "in the background" and almost like they're in monochrome.  Females on the other hand to me are in the foreground, vibrant and full of colour and sparkle.  Nothing makes my heart melt quite like the girls do! ;D <333

Seeing as a few have mentioned dominance in a relationship: I love the idea of being *slightly* submissive.  It's always irked me that - in my male life - I was *ALWAYS EXPECTED* (without exception) to be the dominant one.  "Ugh ::) so er, hay there - when exactly do I get to lay back and loose myself in all this too?"  Don't get me wrong - I *LOVE* giving.  It'd just be nice to be the one being pinned down and having *MY* head sent into full whirlwind mode once in a while! :laugh: *blushes at such a thought* ;D

I have to admit - my fantasy's as of late have been turning heavily towards trans* girls.  I'm fairly sure it's simply a case of having opened the floodgates after denying such attraction for so long, and once my brain has had some fun exploring this new territory I'll almost certainly end up attracted to cis and trans* girls in equal measure.  It does kinda raise the question though: If two men are attracted to each other, they're gay.  If two women are attracted to each other, they're lesbian.  So what is it when two trans* girls get together?  Personally I call it lesbian, because what matters in my opinion is what you currently are in mind, not what you used to be in body.

Wow...  I clearly needed to get all that off my chest! :laugh: <333

I prefer to lump cis and transwomen into one catagory of just women.  I've yet to try dating a men to get a clue on that, but they look real fun in bed, esp if hes dominant :). Gay women though, are the ones i always fall in love with. I dated a girl once who identified as 100% gay, and thought she was trying something new:).  She treated me like a princess without even noticing:))).  Turned out though, she wanted a real mans man to try out though, so she went back to just dating girls after a year. I really hope i can find a girl like that again, esp if things dont work out with men, my options get super cut back.

Jebus, HelloKitty is adorable :o

Anywho, as many others have said, I'm really not attracted to men, but at the same time I'm open minded and more interested in the person inside. I don't think I'd actively look for a relationship like that in a man, but who knows what could happen? :D

I just don't know. I think I might be bi. It has been very hard dealing with possible attraction to men. But I have to be the girl in the equation. But what I am curious about is how this turns out say 10 years from now. Most of the people on this board are very much in transition.

I think I might be 50/50 on men and women. xD I realize since the perspective-switch to female-mode, it wasn't just my libido that reset but also my preferences. Attraction to men (which had already been there) was the first to come up, but now..? I think I've rediscovered what my 'types' are for women. :) Which is pretty weird. I used to be very focused on breasts (especially huge breasts) but I'd say that was at least 60% driven by testosterone and my male bits. Now I look at women differently, and find different things attractive about them.

Bi curious and marked as Bi. I have no history of sleeping with men, but could/would if the situation was very, very right.

Straight men/gay women/transwomen or men Are all fine by me if the emotional connection is there.   I think thats called pansexual?  I really just think of it as BI.

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on December 03, 2013, 01:55:25 AM
Straight men/gay women/transwomen or men Are all fine by me if the emotional connection is there.   I think thats called pansexual?  I really just think of it as BI.

I think it's called pansexual because most bi people have a problem with people outside the binary, or who are in-between the binary, like ourselves.

Oh, I was wrong about pansexuality. I thought it meant you were sexually attracted to everything >.<

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 03, 2013, 05:48:03 AM
Oh, I was wrong about pansexuality. I thought it meant you were sexually attracted to everything >.<

How could you live like that?
Oooh... a bus... hot...
Mmm... niiiiice doggy...
Hello, lamp post... what'ch'a knowin?

Quote from: Kristal on December 03, 2013, 05:38:40 AM
I think it's called pansexual because most bi people have a problem with people outside the binary, or who are in-between the binary, like ourselves.

I have a tendency to lump "trans" women and men into their desired gender designation no matter their current state of transition.  I'm uncertain i could handle someone who frequently changed gender designations.  Not that i dont recognize GQ i just mean on a relationship level, i like to settle into things just a little bit.

I'm bi with a female preference, but then again i simply adore the male organ (not mine of course).

Quote from: Xhianil on December 03, 2013, 11:58:30 AM
I'm bi with a female preference, but then again i simply adore the male organ (not mine of course).

Im with you there. Lol.

Quote from: kabit on December 03, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
How could you live like that?
Oooh... a bus... hot...
Mmm... niiiiice doggy...
Hello, lamp post... what'ch'a knowin?

LOL

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on December 03, 2013, 11:55:12 AM
I have a tendency to lump "trans" women and men into their desired gender designation no matter their current state of transition. 

I do the same thing if I was to date a ftm I would see them as a male I wouldn't think of him being trans and since I'm bi I would say the same thing about dating an mtf. :)

I selected gynosexual, but that's not quite right. So far I fell in love with girls only, but since I realized my situation I dream of going down on a man sometimes. I don't relly feel attracted to men, but I'd like to try sex with one. That said, I still see myself as a lesbian. But I don't know if transitioning will change that in any way - I just try to keep an open mind.

what pia said... also very erotic just thinking about 'having a boyfriend'...
i wonder if hrt will calm these raging hormones or send me into a man tailspin...

Idk really. I'm attracted to women, but I could see myself having a relationship with a man, just in no way sexual.

Asexual. Sex doesn't do anything for me. I don't even think about it and heck has not happened in over two years. I suck. lol

Quote from: Serena Lynn on December 04, 2013, 03:24:29 PM
Asexual. Sex doesn't do anything for me. I don't even think about it and heck has not happened in over two years. I suck. lol

  Really?  No interest?  All the pansexual talk around here got me thinking, and I might have found what I'm looking for - Here's a flamin' hot lil' number I've been crushing on lately:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1262.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii607%2FSpawnedFromTheEther%2FFlamingFryingPan.jpg&hash=519bb1a9f99a2e7caa19d6edf5a13c8c93d42981) (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/SpawnedFromTheEther/media/FlamingFryingPan.jpg.html)

;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Kristal on December 03, 2013, 05:38:40 AM
I think it's called pansexual because most bi people have a problem with people outside the binary, or who are in-between the binary, like ourselves.

IDK... there's plenty of men out there that would date a trans woman if they're attractive enough. I wouldn't call them pansexual, not even a little bit.

I don't get the 'Androsexual' thing. Even though I'm pre-op, I look at myself as a heterosexual woman. So does my BF. I was married but always felt like I was having lesbian sex and can't see myself with another woman, cis or trans, ever again. I love the way a good, caring, loving guy looks, smells, and feels, and how he makes me feel.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 04, 2013, 07:10:19 PM
IDK... there's plenty of men out there that would date a trans woman if they're attractive enough. I wouldn't call them pansexual, not even a little bit.

That would still be gynosexual, though. Most of those guys probably wouldn't date another guy, cis or trans.

Quote from: Kristal on December 05, 2013, 04:19:37 AM
That would still be gynosexual, though. Most of those guys probably wouldn't date another guy, cis or trans.

I think some people let the hormones determine and just go with the flow.

Quote from: Miranda Catherine on December 05, 2013, 01:44:07 AM
I don't get the 'Androsexual' thing. Even though I'm pre-op, I look at myself as a heterosexual woman. So does my BF. I was married but always felt like I was having lesbian sex and can't see myself with another woman, cis or trans, ever again. I love the way a good, caring, loving guy looks, smells, and feels, and how he makes me feel.

I say androsexual/gynesexual cuz it just denotes what you're attracted to regardless of your *own* gender, and it's cuz not everyone considers themselves fully male/female and so the hetero/homosexual and gay/straight labels don't fit.

As I said, you're welcome to identify yourself however you like with any preferred labels, but for the sake of the many varied gender identities present I used terminology that was all encompassing and applicable to everyone in the poll :) :)

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on December 06, 2013, 01:29:17 PM
I say androsexual/gynesexual cuz it just denotes what you're attracted to regardless of your *own* gender, and it's cuz not everyone considers themselves fully male/female and so the hetero/homosexual and gay/straight labels don't fit.

As I said, you're welcome to identify yourself however you like with any preferred labels, but for the sake of the many varied gender identities present I used terminology that was all encompassing and applicable to everyone in the poll :) :)

Yeh that was a smart move :)  I was struggling with how exactly to explain my sexuality to others before I came across these terms.  If I say "I'm straight", I'd have to qualify that with wether or not I'm talking from the perspective of my sex (male - which would mean I'm into women) or gender (female - which would mean I'm into men).  Similarly if I said "I'm lesbian", you wouldn't know if I'm FtM (which would make me a straight guy) or MtF..  You get the idea lol - it's just confusing unless you add the extra information about your natal sex and current gender.  Even more so once you start getting Androgynes and pansexuals joining the conversation! :laugh:

Your way takes sex/gender out of the equation and makes it a simple case of "do you like guys, girls, both, everything in between or none of the above?", which is much better :) <333

Also it's interesting how the results have turned out so far.  At time of writing the results are as follows:

• 38 (33.9%) Bi or pansexual (attracted to both or all genders)
  
• 35 (31.3%) Gynosexual (attracted to women)
  
• 26 (23.2%) Androsexual (attracted to men)
  
• 08 (07.1%) Other (specify, if you like)
  
• 05 (04.5%) Asexual (sexually disinterested)
  
• Votes: 112
  
  Personally I was expecting a lot more people identifying as Androsexual, but it seems that a surprising number of us are into our girls!  ;D  This does make me wonder if the idea of sexuality really is something programmed into us at birth ('nature') or if there's actually at least something of a environmental / upbringing ('nurture') element to it?  I mean, most of us answering this poll have been brought up as guys and had it drummed into us by family / friends / society that we're *SUPPOSED* to like girls, so it seems interesting to me that - in spite of our predominantly female genders - the poll is skewed towards attraction to women rather than men.
  
  Of course, having Bi/Pan sexual coming out on top (no pun intended :P ) isn't a surprise at all.  In fact this does make me start to wonder if in fact all human beings might actually be inherently bi/pan sexual and that sexuality is really a 'choice' we make based on experience and social factors, in much the same way that we 'chose' the kind of music we like.  What do people think of that idea?

Quote from: Starblaiz on December 08, 2013, 08:39:30 AM
Personally I was expecting a lot more people identifying as Androsexual, but it seems that a surprising number of us are into our girls!  ;D  This does make me wonder if the idea of sexuality really is something programmed into us at birth ('nature') or if there's actually at least something of a environmental / upbringing ('nurture') element to it?  I mean, most of us answering this poll have been brought up as guys and had it drummed into us by family / friends / society that we're *SUPPOSED* to like girls, so it seems interesting to me that - in spite of our predominantly female genders - the poll is skewed towards attraction to women rather than men.

Of course, having Bi/Pan sexual coming out on top (no pun intended :P ) isn't a surprise at all.  In fact this does make me start to wonder if in fact all human beings might actually be inherently bi/pan sexual and that sexuality is really a 'choice' we make based on experience and social factors, in much the same way that we 'chose' the kind of music we like.  What do people think of that idea?

I'd say those are very valid questions and some valid arguments as to the causality. I can't speak for everyone, so I'll explain my case briefly...

I'm MtF and attracted both sexually and romantically to women. I've liked other girls since preschool, and to be honest, until me and my older siblings got to be 18+, my parents didn't want us involved with anybody!

When I was mid-puberty at about 15/16 I was figuring out my gender and my orientation. I knew I was female inside but stuggled with what it'd mean to my orientation. I wasn't aware of transgender people so I was afraid of being feminine, and classified as a gay cisgender male. I had also felt a special connection to lesbians that I couldn't explain (at the time). To test all that I experimented a bit, and didn't 100% hate messing around with guys, but felt really nothing substantial for them either. I mainly liked how guys would describe me as "cute", something I think many girls like to hear, but I didn't feel the same back. The more I considered that I was a girl into other girls, the more it made sense, so that's how I say I'm oriented now.

At this point, I might change my answer from "other" to bi/pan...
I have no question that I'm still interested in both after last night. We went to dinner at a bar/restaurant with some very interesting wait staff of both genders ;). The only real question is which side of bi I fall on...

I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm hard wired bi since birth I became aware of my girl side at 4.

I voted androsexual.
I have only been attracted to men/boys for the entirety of my life. I did have a girlfriend as a teenager (closet problems  :P ) but I did not find our sex life fulfilling. All of my fantasies involve men

I should also state, however, that I firmly believe that we are all bisexual to an extent. I am not labelling anyone here (only you have the power to give yourself one of any value) but I think that if the moons of saturn aligned, peace was achieved in the middle east, and I was trapped on a small island somewhere in the south pacific just me and some girl ... we could probably have some fun.

Quote from: missy1992 on December 08, 2013, 12:21:51 PM
I voted androsexual.
I have only been attracted to men/boys for the entirety of my life. I did have a girlfriend as a teenager (closet problems  :P ) but I did not find our sex life fulfilling. All of my fantasies involve men

I should also state, however, that I firmly believe that we are all bisexual to an extent. I am not labelling anyone here (only you have the power to give yourself one of any value) but I think that if the moons of saturn aligned, peace was achieved in the middle east, and I was trapped on a small island somewhere in the south pacific just me and some girl ... we could probably have some fun.

My take on the "everyone's more than 0% bisexual" concept is that everyone is capable of being accepting of multiple genders, but not everyone prefers them. For me, when I experimented, I didn't find guys as revolting as I thought I would, but when I considered my attraction for girls, they were (for me anyway) incomparable. I know not everyone's like that. It's for this reason I don't consider myself bisexual. I'm more "tolerant" of men than "attracted", meanwhile I simply adore women :).

As a teenager, I considered myself "philosophically bisexual". I gave up when I realized that, not liking men at all made that somewhat absurd.

Id rather be in a relationship with a girl, but I like guys too...so there you have it...I wish I didnt though , I wish I was a lesbian...wieeeeeeeeeeerd...cant help it though...maybe if I find a good girl someday who knows,,,

I always hoped I would be into girls since I have known I was trans or intersexed since forever but alas I got into a foot race with my best friend and he tackled me and then started straddling me like a mare and then I knew I was metaphorically fu=Ked. As well as being physically dry humped. He stopped when our other friends came around. He also thought I was intersexed but told me not to get a sex change even though never said a thing to him. I loved him. I still do in a way. But in any event I dated women afterwards and it just never worked. And I mean that quite literally. But with men...mmmm. It's so much different. Everything is so much different now. So I think you can try to make yourself liek something to fit into some role but nature sorts everything out and always wins. I don't know why but women just don't do it for me. And a big part of me still wants to make that work.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on December 08, 2013, 06:39:50 PM
I always hoped I would be into girls since I have known I was trans or intersexed since forever but alas I got into a foot race with my best friend and he tackled me and then started straddling me like a mare and then I knew I was metaphorically fu=Ked. As well as being physically dry humped. He stopped when our other friends came around. He also thought I was intersexed but told me not to get a sex change even though never said a thing to him. I loved him. I still do in a way. But in any event I dated women afterwards and it just never worked. And I mean that quite literally. But with men...mmmm. It's so much different. Everything is so much different now. So I think you can try to make yourself liek something to fit into some role but nature sorts everything out and always wins. I don't know why but women just don't do it for me. And a big part of me still wants to make that work.

I wouldn't try to figure it out men can be delicious

Quote from: Joules on December 08, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
He once told me that I'd never had my heart broken until it was broken by a man.  Hmmmm.  I still don't get it, sorry.

it's because men can be oh so severe. but also oh so empathetic. But mainly oh so difficult.

Quote from: evecrook on December 08, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
I wouldn't try to figure it out men can be delicious

Yes they are yummy lol but I am really not used to how men treat me now. It's like I am not there sometimes and they will aks my BF questions about me, with me standing right next to him. Literally. They never eve shake my hand which is something that always happened upon meeting a guy pre-HRT. And they certainly never came up to me and started touching me. GAG. But I put a stop to that.

there is definitely that other side to men

I'm a MtF nice woman & only sexually attracted to men & always have been my entire life.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on December 08, 2013, 07:12:16 PM
Yes they are yummy lol but I am really not used to how men treat me now. It's like I am not there sometimes and they will aks my BF questions about me, with me standing right next to him. Literally. They never eve shake my hand which is something that always happened upon meeting a guy pre-HRT. And they certainly never came up to me and started touching me. GAG. But I put a stop to that.

The dark side of being accepted as a woman, perhaps :-\

I'm thankful that there's guys out there that still manage to be considerate and sensitive despite a culture prodding them not to be.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on December 08, 2013, 07:12:16 PM
it's because men can be oh so severe. but also oh so empathetic. But mainly oh so difficult.

It sounds like women are just so much easier to relate to ;) LOL

Asexual, and married. It doesn't mean I have no sex drive (every few weeks or so I have a few bunny rabbit days, which my wifband appreciates :P) However, sex rarely makes it onto my mind as there are usually more interesting things to do, like math, or staring at a wall (seriously, it provides for some neat meditation).

Quote from: Zeda on December 08, 2013, 08:00:09 PM
sex rarely makes it onto my mind as there are usually more interesting things to do, like math

:icon_omfg:

Quote from: Ashey on December 08, 2013, 09:02:40 PM
:icon_omfg:

Don't knock math! If you want a really good time, do more than one! (Maths).

Quote from: kabit on December 08, 2013, 09:17:46 PM
Don't knock math! If you want a really good time, do more than one! (Maths).

Would that make you a polymath?

Quote from: kabit on December 08, 2013, 09:17:46 PM
Don't knock math! If you want a really good time, do more than one! (Maths).

  Maths are important to me.  I enjoy calculating my chances with a woman - this requires a number of complex equations.

eg. XX + XX = romp² ;D

I like math even less than my genitals.. >_<

Quote from: Ashey on December 08, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
I like math even less than my genitals.. >_<

What do your genitals have against math? :icon_weirdface:

:icon_mrhappy:

I guess technically I'm bisexual, but honestly I'd say that my sexual orientation and my gender identity are intertwined... I really don't care who's doing the snuggling and sexing as long as I can be the girl. That's what I'm attracted to, is the notion of other people holding me and snuggling with me and getting intimate with me in a female body. And I guess I really don't care which gender is doing it, they're both equally attractive notions to me.

Gwynne ⊂ mathies

Quote from: Jillian on December 08, 2013, 09:37:18 PM
What do your genitals have against math? :icon_weirdface:

:icon_mrhappy:

  Good catch!

Quote from: Jillian on December 08, 2013, 09:37:18 PM
What do your genitals have against math? :icon_weirdface:

:icon_mrhappy:

xD Oh you..

But seriously, we both don't like math.. :P

How did this thread turn into math?

My sexual attraction is mostly to women but it's not very strong. I would say 4/10 women and 2/10 for men. It may sound narcissistic but I'm more attracted to myself for some reason than to others which gives transitioning a really weird spin lol. Anal sex is kind of a turnoff to me so I'm not really Bi yet, though I feel that would be my sexual orientation after SRS. Yeah I know I'm boring haha.

I think Carrie Liz summed it up pretty well for me:
"I really don't care who's doing the snuggling and sexing as long as I can be the girl. That's what I'm attracted to, is the notion of other people holding me and snuggling with me and getting intimate with me in a female body."

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 08, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
How did this thread turn into math?

This seems to happen all the time??? Thank you for pointing it out on this thread. Sometimes the responces go so far off track it is not even worth following any more.

So far we have...

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35.2% Bisexual/pansexual
29.6% Gynosexual (attracted to women)
23.2% Androsexual (attracted to men)
7.2% Other
4.8% Asexual

...which is strikingly similar to a certain study's results (from transequlity.org, quote source: Wikipedia):

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A survey of roughly 3000 trans women showed that only 23% of them identified as heterosexual, with 31% as bisexual, 29% as lesbian, 7% as asexual, 7% as queer and 2% as "other".

It's also worth mentioning that sexual arousal works differently with woman and men. These shed some light as to how female/male/both are so near each other in the statistics thus far (quotes: Wikipedia):

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In a 2004 study, the female subjects (both gay and straight women) became sexually aroused when they viewed heterosexual as well as lesbian erotic films. Among the male subjects, however, the straight men were turned on only by erotic films with women, the gay ones by those with men. The study's senior researcher said that women's sexual desire is less rigidly directed toward a particular sex, as compared with men's, and it's more changeable over time.

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Another study on men and women's patterns of sexual arousal confirmed that men and women have different patterns of arousal, independent of their sexual orientations. The study found that women's genitals become aroused to both human and nonhuman stimuli from movies showing humans of both genders having sex (heterosexual and homosexual) and from videos showing non-human primates (bonobos) having sex. Men did not show any sexual arousal to non-human visual stimuli, their arousal patterns being in line with their specific sexual interest (women for heterosexual men and men for homosexual men).

Quote from: FrancisAnn on December 08, 2013, 11:47:21 PM
This seems to happen all the time??? Thank you for pointing it out on this thread. Sometimes the responces go so far off track it is not even worth following any more.

With the constant undertone of mathematical expression in all this sex talk... it was bound to happen!

@Sarah7:

Yikes, that's a lot of hostility I didn't expect. If you read the rest of the Wikipedia article you'll see that simple biological arousal and actual sexual interest in the actions depicted had nothing to do with each other and it says so specifically. The point was that a person identifying as male tends to only get aroused by folks suiting their orientation, while people identifying as women focus not just only on folks aligning with their orientation, but more so on other aspects.

Honestly I'm not interested in raising the stress level in this thread so I'm just going to say that I found it interesting that the answers in this thread's poll, Bi/Pan > Female > Male > Others, was something I saw elsewhere, and I'll leave it at that.

Okay... I just didn't expect rant out of nowhere. I don't really get what's there to be defensive about, but I'm way over all this at this point and really just feel sour for even bringing it up. I think the safe thing for me is to keep my curiosity to myself. (/leave)

Not really a rant.  Sarah is about as versed in these issues as anyone on the boards.  I detest the Baileys, Diamonds, and Blanchards in the world, who have made our existence that much more difficult.

Quote from: Jamie D on December 09, 2013, 02:40:26 AM
Not really a rant.  Sarah is about as versed in these issues as anyone on the boards.  I detest the Baileys, Diamonds, and Blanchards in the world, who have made our existence that much more difficult.

Fine, fair enough.

Honestly, the most disturbing thing I read in that post was about how women have rape fantasies.
That itself has me lose so much hope in humanity, I can't begin to describe.

Nevermind my babbling, though, I'm leaving this forum anyway. Sorry to be a pain in the neck.

Quote from: Andrea_LS on December 09, 2013, 02:53:25 AM
Honestly, the most disturbing thing I read in that post was about how women have rape fantasies.

I do...

When you combine that with the fact that I was actually raped, well... It makes me feel sick. Sick that I think about this, that I enjoy it. That it might mean that I actually DID enjoy the rape... I don't know, I just... I thought I'd let you know that from someone experiencing it firsthand.

I'm gonna go now, I think I need a good cry...

Well, I do too sometimes. That doesn't mean I actually wanna be raped irl. Most things I'm reading right now say there's nothing wrong with it.

Wierd , cause most things im reading right now say that you are a psycho and should seek help if you fantasize about rape...

I dont care though , those comments come from ignorant people, if you want to get raped then its fine , if you want to have sex with animals or anything , its fine with me , its your life ,do what you like.
The thing is though that rape is a crime we shouldnt forget that...im pretty sure most girls wouldnt like it if it happens to them...
As of me I really dont know how I would react ,,,

All you have to do is type in "women having rape fantasies" and you get two pages about how it's relatively common.

You're fricking rude btw, I don't want to be raped, or even act it out or something, wtf

@roadtotrista

No sorry, missunderstanding , I wasnt talking about you in particular I was generally speaking .

Maybe we could talk about E=MC^2 or is that more physics than math

I have rape fantasies and then some, but it really is just that, a fantasy. If someone rapes me, by definition I wouldn't welcome it and probably wouldn't enjoy it. It is unwanted. If I actually wanted to be raped I would in a sense be consenting and then it wouldn't be considered rape.

Quote from: evecrook on December 09, 2013, 10:12:39 AM
Maybe we could talk about E=MC^2 or is that more physics than math

The math topic was much better, IMO ;)

On fantasy... a lot of people would consider us pretty freaky to have fantasies about gender change (often forced). This is covered in "Whipping Girl" and in many of our closeted experiences.

I understand rape hits close to home for many, and for that I'm sorry... but please separate fantasy from reality. Most fantasies are just that and would be truly horrible if they'd happen in real life.

I used to have that fantasy when I was a teenager but stopped it in my early twenties when I realized It definitely would not be a good thing to really happen. I had a friend who was a incredibly  beautiful girl in her early 20' s who was brutally beaten in her face by a person she worked for who tried to rape her . she was also  an athletic girl who fought back. Luckily she survived. I saw her on the street after it happened and her face was totally black and blue. So I have to say rape fantasy or real is not good.

Erm, may I be the voice of reason and suggest we move away from the "rape fantasy" discussion?  Not that it bothers me at all and I agree with the "fantasy" vs "reality" point, but at the same time I can see and sympathise with how it's a bit of a touchy subject especially for those who have experienced the real thing.  Probably best just to let it go, eh gals? ;) *hugs*

So back onto more important things!  Maths!  Yay! *claps excitedly* ;D  gosh, if mathematical equations were a gender, then Shrodinger's time-dependant wave equation would toly be my type!  ..or perhaps not.. I won't know unless I look at it ;)

(anyone? :laugh:)

Reminder from Admin. Discussions of rape can be triggering to many of our members, especially for those who have experienced sexual abuse.

Quote from: Shana A on December 09, 2013, 02:25:25 PM
Reminder from Admin. Discussions of rape can be triggering to many of our members, especially for those who have experienced sexual abuse.

Trigger warning time?

Quote from: Starblaiz on December 09, 2013, 01:39:30 PM
Erm, may I be the voice of reason and suggest we move away from the "rape fantasy" discussion?  Not that it bothers me at all and I agree with the "fantasy" vs "reality" point, but at the same time I can see and sympathise with how it's a bit of a touchy subject especially for those who have experienced the real thing.  Probably best just to let it go, eh gals? ;) *hugs*

So back onto more important things!  Maths!  Yay! *claps excitedly* ;D  gosh, if mathematical equations were a gender, then Shrodinger's time-dependant wave equation would toly be my type!  ..or perhaps not.. I won't know unless I look at it ;)

(anyone? :laugh:)

You can set topics to ignore or just not click on them. Hugs, Devlyn

so if the time dependent equation is f then the time independent is m or is it the other way around .  so transgendender means going from time-dependent to time-independent

Quote from: Kristal on December 09, 2013, 05:42:01 AM

Quote from: Andrea_LS on December 09, 2013, 02:53:25 AM
Honestly, the most disturbing thing I read in that post was about how women have rape fantasies.

I do...

When you combine that with the fact that I was actually raped, well... It makes me feel sick. Sick that I think about this, that I enjoy it. That it might mean that I actually DID enjoy the rape... I don't know, I just... I thought I'd let you know that from someone experiencing it firsthand.

I'm gonna go now, I think I need a good cry...

Actually, rape fantasies are extremely common in women - both rape survivors and those who aren't. In rape survivors, it may be a tool to reframe the assault - only this time with the victim in control of what happens. Even if she is being overpowered and controlled in the fantasy - it is an illusion because she is controlling the fantasy. Despite the way it looks, rape fantasies are about as far from actual rape as one can get. Actual rape all comes down to a lack of control over what is happening. In a fantasy, the one fantasizing controls the scene and what the perpetrator is doing. So even if a rape fantasy resembles the violence of an actual rape, it lacks this essential element, making it very far removed.

(and yes, there should probably be a trigger warning if this discussion continues)

Quote from: Starblaiz on December 09, 2013, 01:39:30 PM
Erm, may I be the voice of reason and suggest we move away from the "rape fantasy" discussion?  Not that it bothers me at all and I agree with the "fantasy" vs "reality" point, but at the same time I can see and sympathise with how it's a bit of a touchy subject especially for those who have experienced the real thing.  Probably best just to let it go, eh gals? ;) *hugs*

So back onto more important things!  Maths!  Yay! *claps excitedly* ;D  gosh, if mathematical equations were a gender, then Shrodinger's time-dependant wave equation would toly be my type!  ..or perhaps not.. I won't know unless I look at it ;)

(anyone? :laugh:)

Really??  Can we say Heisenberg....  Solve the thing for oh, something larger than silicon..  Without a computer.  That will keep you busy for a few years.

Hugs,

Jen

Quote from: Joules on December 09, 2013, 01:33:30 PM
Did you know that the M in E = MC² is not the mass we all know and love, it is actually the relative mass of an object?  That's right folks, mass increases with velocity...

It's the solution to an intergral:  E=MC² + C.  That "C" makes things "bendable" when working with a real world solution....

Hugs,

Jen

For some reason this photo caught my attention:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1262.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii607%2FSpawnedFromTheEther%2FToughMaths.jpg&hash=b8be62b14c7f838b363767f94ad7e3d39c7a6678)

Wonder why...

and now for something completely different: Earth Science... as in plate tectonics... as in, wow did this plate ever drift off topic... except in the Hilbert space where it didn't.

  I was going to tell you maths guys to get a room, but then I thought it would be more fun to make a room for you!  Go to the following thread and geek it out to your heart's content:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,155623.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,155623.0.html)

  Maths critics will avoid it like the plague. ;)  Now don't make me start a geology poll!

Before HRT I was almost exclusively attracted to men, but now I'm noticeably more bisexual.

Still prefer guys 2 to 1 though.

Relatively young transitioner here (started 10 years ago at 23), never had an interest in men. Goes against the stereotype, which is frustrating. Also frustrating how in my "normal" life where I pass I get asked about my husband or boyfriend.

First world passing trans problems, I know.

Quote from: Rose City Rose on December 10, 2013, 01:19:11 AM
Before HRT I was almost exclusively attracted to men, but now I'm noticeably more bisexual.

Still prefer guys 2 to 1 though.

Similar experience here! Still prefer men too...

Quote from: Rose City Rose on December 10, 2013, 01:19:11 AM
Before HRT I was almost exclusively attracted to men, but now I'm noticeably more bisexual.

Still prefer guys 2 to 1 though.

u mean twice as much or 2 guys and 1 girl? :-) 

I am far more interested in girls (cis or trans) than in men, but some times i fantasied being whit men, and how is so ..so ..sooo easy be whit one in a bed...well i used to be more whit men than whit women. But this last month i got totally sicked whit that, i still having fantasies whit men but i dont have interest in be whit them in a real situation because when i go to real sex i dont like them and even make me feel sick.

Quote from: Emi on December 13, 2013, 07:32:21 AM
I am far more interested in girls (cis or trans) than in men, but some times i fantasied being whit men, and how is so ..so ..sooo easy be whit one in a bed...well i used to be more whit men than whit women. But this last month i got totally sicked whit that, i still having fantasies whit men but i dont have interest in be whit them in a real situation because when i go to real sex i dont like them and even make me feel sick.

I've been like this about guys lately.  Want to try, but alot of them are so disgusting, it just ruins it.  At the end of the day though, i think women are more emotionally satisfying to be with in a relationship.  And sexually, they can do pretty much anything a guy can for you(if not better sometimes).  I so wish there was a good crowd of Trans people here.  I'd love to be able to date within the trans community over random strangers.

Quote from: Andrea_LS on December 09, 2013, 02:53:25 AM

Honestly, the most disturbing thing I read in that post was about how women have rape fantasies.
That itself has me lose so much hope in humanity, I can't begin to describe.

Ive Had those before and so have some of my friends.  I've even got a friend who roleplays that with her man.  The thing is(at least for me being a submissive), the feeling of loss of power and control, while still knowing your safe. But i suppose having a trusted partner is paramount in some kind of experience like that and setting rules/safewords.

                             Real rape is traumatic and horrific, nobody wants that.  I honestly dont believe there is a single person in the world who truly wants to be raped, no matter how messed up they are.

Quote from: KabitTarah on December 03, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
How could you live like that?
Oooh... a bus... hot...
Mmm... niiiiice doggy...
Hello, lamp post... what'ch'a knowin?

hey now. in the lamp post's defense, it DOES bring some light into my life. so.. who knows.