Well my mom and sister were having a discusdion about men and I commented and said I thought size didn't matter and that it's how you use it, And she made it plain an clear that size does matter and that she doesn't want no 3 inches, I know she's just one woman, But it made me so dysphoric and self concious hell the whole convo did because for one they were talking about the physical aspects of men and two becauseI know some women share her views, I feel like because of that ill never have the norm sex life at all, I mean no offence but I really don't want a tiny dick especially being black, I feel like I won't be able to please a woman with that, Phallo or Meta, Its not the same. I'm scared honestly, This is the reason I wish I was born right, Because I can't b normal anyway. Just a rant I guess.......
No, it's not the same. You can't change these things, you can only use the tools we have available, it's probably time to accept the things you can't change, focus on the things you can change, and just find happiness within yourself
Quote from: geek on January 05, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
No, it's not the same. You can't change these things, you can only use the tools we have available, it's probably time to accept the things you can't change, focus on the things you can change, and just find happiness within yourself
Yea that's not possible right know, Not that easy to accept that especially being young
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Umm, how do I say this?
If you look at the distribution by ethnicity, you can see African-Americans are, on average, larger than other ethnicities.
And yet, there are like 4 billion Asians. It's not the heat of the meat or the angle of the dangle that counts.
Quote from: Jamie D on January 05, 2014, 03:28:49 AM
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Umm, how do I say this?
If you look at the distribution by ethnicity, you can see African-Americans are, on average, larger than other ethnicities.
And yet, there are like 4 billion Asians. It's not the heat of the meat or the angle of the dangle that counts.
In some cases it is though, It depends on the woman, But what can you do with a it at 3 inches, Fact is some women do care about it
That's true. It is also true a man can be too big.
Remember, it's a partnership.
May I suggest you learn something that most men don't?
How to satisfy your partner as well as your self.
And I can assure you size doesn't matter in that regard!!
I'm inclined to think that position can negate any size issues as the sexperts say that the inner reach of natural vaginas are insensitive and 3 inches would reach all the sensitive bits depending how the loins/groins were pressed together.
For one - The average woman's vagina is about 4-5 inches when in an "aroused" state. So with just that information it goes to show that size isn't really the biggest factor. Size only matters in the mind.
For two - There is a huge difference between sex and satisfaction. A lot of people have sex, whereas not as many people are satisfied.
For three - If you study the anatomy of a woman the places where they might ( usually?) get the most stimulation from are more then reachable by about 3 to 5 inches on average.
For four - Believe me when I say if a person is good with there hands/mouth the size of what's between their legs is almost moot. At least in my experience.
For five - Would you really want to be with a person who cares more about what's in your pants then what is in your heart? IMO no.
Quote from: thatboyfresh on January 05, 2014, 04:50:49 AM
For five - Would you really want to be with a person who cares more about what's in your pants then what is in your heart? IMO no.
was going to thumbs up you for this, but the website hates my guts and wont let me.
Quote from: Brandon on January 05, 2014, 03:14:50 AM
I mean no offence but I really don't want a tiny dick especially being black
Wasn't going to jump in until I saw this. Race has
nothing to do with penis size. I am guessing the graph that was put in was the result of a "study" by Richard Lynn that was so unscientific I can't even find a proper scientific article disputing it (and obviously nothing supporting it). Have this instead http://www.livescience.com/4489-penis-myths-debunked.html and these people who actually know what they're talking about's opinions
"Prof Lynn said that the study was mainly based on information taken from a website that collected data on penis length, but he admitted the website was not verified by other academics. Jelte Wicherts, professor of methodology at Tilburg University in the Netherlands, told The Sunday Times: "This is a brave paper in a controversial area but the data has no methodology and Lynn's paper should not have been published.""
The "different size penis" myth is racist in so many ways. It is based on the idea that penis size and brain size (supposedly this is supposed to correlate with intelligence) is inversely proportionate and a race must have one or the other to survive. So Asians have smaller penises (supposedly therefore a lower sex drive) but make up for it by being smart enough to ensure their children are nurtured properly whereas Africans are massive and put it in whatever hole they can find hoping some of the offspring will eventually turn out OK.
Like I said, racist. You don't have to feel insecure about being a black guy with a small dick. Plenty of black guys have small dicks. If you don't get enough growth for you to feel meta will do you, and feel phallo isn't your thing either then always remember there are many different ways of having sex with whoever you want, at least you'll never be boring in the bedroom ;)
Btw, when I said "plenty of black guys have small dicks" I meant that as in "plenty of black guys are just like white guys, tan guys, blue guys, and green guys in their small dickishness"
Quote from: Sir Wafflinton on January 05, 2014, 06:30:32 AM
Btw, when I said "plenty of black guys have small dicks" I meant that as in "plenty of black guys are just like white guys, tan guys, blue guys, and green guys in their small dickishness"
Sir Wafflinton is clearly racist against people with small dicks
>_>
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Dont beat me!
Edit: i think "Dickishness" has replaced "sassy" as my favourite word =p
Gonna go out on a limb here. I have heard PLENTY of sex conversations on both sides, and I've found that the only people who care that deeply about penis size is penis holders. Because for some reason a thing that only you and your partner(s) see matters.
I've mostly heard women complain that their current boyfriends are obsessed with knowing how big the last guy was. Like Cindy and a few others have said, if you know how to please your partner, that's what matters. And penetration really isn't the most important or pleasurable aspect of intimacy. Unless you take porn as your holy grail.
I'll be honest, when youre like 16 and a kid, things like this matters, when you grow up and youre in an adult relationship, things just work, and if they dont, you find someone who it does work with, it just feels like its the end of the world because youre so young.
There's good advice here, but all I see in your posts is that you want to ask for advice and then argue about how it won't work for you, how you know better, and how everyone else is wrong despite the fact you ask their opinions in the first place.
Your penis size does not matter, in the long run. No one gives two ->-bleeped-<-s (or three or four!) what's in your pants when you're out in the real world. There's no secret handshake amongst men that includes penis size in order to be taken seriously. You don't need to measure up to get your man card, either. Sex takes up a very small percentage of your life, and if you want to attract women who are shallow enough to only care about your package then good luck, because that won't last long term. The best thing for ANYONE, regardless of gender, to do is to learn how to make people feel good without penetration. I've been around the block more than a few times and I'll have you know the men with the larger penises are the ones who sucked hardcore at making me feel good. A few of them were so bad I made them stop and leave.
Yea well I do want to be able to penetrate my wife, That's a big part of sex
"Preliminary work has revealed that only about 7% of women always have orgasms with {*}sex alone, he says, while 27% say they never do." ({*} 'sex alone' as in 'penetration alone'). Source: http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-hew-ordistance11feb11,0,2763149.story#ixzz2pXArH58J
What matters for those mere 7% of women is actually girth, not length. The more girth the better the clitoris is stimulated because that is just the way it is. Length gives nothing extra aside from affording more positions in kinky Kama Sutra and which hardly anyone really cares to take the time to learn let alone use anyway. Also, the clitoris is the sole reason a woman can orgasm in the first place and for the very same reason why a man without a glans wouldn't be able too either. That's where the necessary nerves are. Without them and their ability to be directly stimulated, forget about it. So that means the overwhelming majority of guys just can't get the job done with only their "perfectly normal" knob. Imagine that.
Let's really simplify that. A man with >5" girth but let's say 3" length will have a much better chance of pleasuring his female partner than would a man at <4" girth and 9" length. Amazing.
Anyway. It's also interesting to note that the... other cavity... has many more nerves than the vaginal one. Surprised? So was I, but its true. Go look it up because when you do, you'll find out that even the majority of women that can't orgasm from PIV, a lot more can from PIA (yes, despite the lack of a prostate)... how does that work? They're still figuring that out, I couldn't tell ya. It just does.
At the end of the day, a woman's pleasure is dependent upon the type and quality of foreplay. Women's favorite foreplay is pretty much the same as a man's... think in the neighborhood of where you're thinking from and you'll get it. Master THAT organ and you'll be able to pleasure any woman you want to the point of that woman simply not giving a flying ->-bleeped-<- about anything else 'in the bedroom', or so I've heard from 100% of the "perfectly normal" guys I hang with.
Yup, that's right... horny shmucks of all types have to pay their dues in foreplay before getting their grand prize in return. And the world keeps on a turnin'.
Sorry all, that last was my admittedly sub-par attempt at humor. No offense intended. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.financeglobe.com%2FFN%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fsmiley-white-flag.gif&hash=00c4312755f66d1b4d23691f8942fcca9c7c695a)
Quote from: Sir Wafflinton on January 05, 2014, 06:28:25 AM
Wasn't going to jump in until I saw this. Race has nothing to do with penis size. I am guessing the graph that was put in was the result of a "study" by Richard Lynn that was so unscientific I can't even find a proper scientific article disputing it (and obviously nothing supporting it). Have this instead http://www.livescience.com/4489-penis-myths-debunked.html and these people who actually know what they're talking about's opinions
"Prof Lynn said that the study was mainly based on information taken from a website that collected data on penis length, but he admitted the website was not verified by other academics. Jelte Wicherts, professor of methodology at Tilburg University in the Netherlands, told The Sunday Times: "This is a brave paper in a controversial area but the data has no methodology and Lynn's paper should not have been published.""
The "different size penis" myth is racist in so many ways. It is based on the idea that penis size and brain size (supposedly this is supposed to correlate with intelligence) is inversely proportionate and a race must have one or the other to survive. So Asians have smaller penises (supposedly therefore a lower sex drive) but make up for it by being smart enough to ensure their children are nurtured properly whereas Africans are massive and put it in whatever hole they can find hoping some of the offspring will eventually turn out OK.
Like I said, racist. You don't have to feel insecure about being a black guy with a small dick. Plenty of black guys have small dicks. If you don't get enough growth for you to feel meta will do you, and feel phallo isn't your thing either then always remember there are many different ways of having sex with whoever you want, at least you'll never be boring in the bedroom ;)
I didn't say it was a race thing but the chart that Jamie D put up clearly proves it African Americans do tend to be larger, Some black guys may be small but not no three inches I can guareentee you that and they can do something with it
Quote from: Magnus on January 05, 2014, 12:03:06 PM
"Preliminary work has revealed that only about 7% of women always have orgasms with {*}sex alone, he says, while 27% say they never do." ({*} 'sex alone' as in 'penetration alone'). Source: http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-hew-ordistance11feb11,0,2763149.story#ixzz2pXArH58J
What matters for those mere 7% of women is actually girth, not length. The more girth the better the clitoris is stimulated because that is just the way it is. Length gives nothing extra aside from affording more positions in kinky Kama Sutra and which hardly anyone really cares to take the time to learn let alone use anyway. Also, the clitoris is the sole reason a woman can orgasm in the first place and for the very same reason why a man without a glans wouldn't be able too either. That's where the necessary nerves are. Without them and their ability to be directly stimulated, forget about it. So that means the overwhelming majority of guys just can't get the job done with only their "perfectly normal" knob. Imagine that.
Let's really simplify that. A man with >5" girth but let's say 3" length will have a much better chance of pleasuring his female partner than would a man at <4" girth and 9" length. Amazing.
Anyway. It's also interesting to note that the... other cavity... has many more nerves than the vaginal one. Surprised? So was I, but its true. Go look it up because when you do, you'll find out that even the majority of women that can't orgasm from PIV, a lot more can from PIA (yes, despite the lack of a prostate)... how does that work? They're still figuring that out, I couldn't tell ya. It just does.
At the end of the day, a woman's pleasure is dependent upon the type and quality of foreplay. Women's favorite foreplay is pretty much the same as a man's... think in the neighborhood of where you're thinking from and you'll get it. Master THAT organ and you'll be able to pleasure any woman you want to the point of that woman simply not giving a flying ->-bleeped-<- about anything else 'in the bedroom', or so I've heard from 100% of the "perfectly normal" guys I hang with.
Yup, that's right... horny shmucks of all types have to pay their dues in foreplay before getting their grand prize in return. And the world keeps on a turnin'.
Sorry all, that last was my admittedly sub-par attempt at humor. No offense intended. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.financeglobe.com%2FFN%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fsmiley-white-flag.gif&hash=00c4312755f66d1b4d23691f8942fcca9c7c695a)
Actually I know that already, I learned that a while ago but she does have G-spot, That also can be stimulated, I don't wanna just do foreplay, I actually want to feel the connection from me and her body, I want her to feel me is what some of you guys aren't getting
Well, if penetration is that important to you I would go with a phalloplasty. There are photos of one black guy on Dr Crane's site who requested a large organ...he got what he asked for. Even my wife looked at it and said "nope, too big", lol. There are options and the cool thing is as transmen we can influence what size we have if we choose that surgery.
You limit yourself man. I know if you look at the options out there and find that you can have a larger penis then you'll jump on something else you don't like (can't make babies/have natural erections). You have soooo far to go with all of this and you're in the baby stages. Take it a day at a time, a step at a time, because if you constantly obsess about the big picture you are going to drive yourself neurotic about all of this.
If your not allowed T until 18 and then you have to be a year on T for the surgery anyways then you are worrying about this way to early. Plus also coming up with the money unless you are moving to a country that pays for it for you. You got a long time, don't sweat your small stuff.
Quote from: Alexthecat on January 05, 2014, 01:23:53 PM
and then you have to be a year on T for the surgery
Most docs want you to be on T two years before performing bottom surgery.
Quote from: Alexthecat on January 05, 2014, 01:23:53 PM
If your not allowed T until 18 and then you have to be a year on T for the surgery anyways then you are worrying about this way to early. Plus also coming up with the money unless you are moving to a country that pays for it for you. You got a long time, don't sweat your small stuff.
I know this already, But depending on if I move with my dad which I plan on, He will let start T before 18 I'm not to far from it but I'm not gonna post my age, so your point?? And their are prosthetics realistic ones
Realistic prosthetics are expensive and need regular replacement.
Some phallo surgeries are very realistic, but again expensive. Meta has it's advantages but size isn't one of them. No matter what route you take, it is expensive and not the most satisfactory. We just have to do the best we can with what we have/get. Acceptance of that is the only way to not have the inadequacies overwhelm you.
Quote from: LordKAT on January 05, 2014, 05:27:20 PM
Realistic prosthetics are expensive and need regular replacement.
Some phallo surgeries are very realistic, but again expensive. Meta has it's advantages but size isn't one of them. No matter what route you take, it is expensive and not the most satisfactory. We just have to do the best we can with what we have/get. Acceptance of that is the only way to not have the inadequacies overwhelm you.
I know all of this again I hav researched everything, I will get the money that's not a problem, The problem is, That I'm young and pretty sure none of you guys just was easily able to accept that, Its not easy at all
Brandon, it's never easy regardless of age. We all dream of the body we want, but medical science just isn't there...yet. Maybe by the time you get to the point where you're ready to have bottom surgery and you have 50 grand or more to drop on a penis the options will be better. Just hold onto hope and keep accomplishing your goals on that path.
Quote from: Brandon on January 05, 2014, 05:34:07 PM
I know all of this again I hav researched everything, I will get the money that's not a problem, The problem is, That I'm young and pretty sure none of you guys just was easily able to accept that, Its not easy at all
You are right isn't easy. Just letting you know that you aren't the only one who feels this way but some have learned how to deal with it. No need to get defensive about it.
Quote from: LordKAT on January 05, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
You are right isn't easy. Just letting you know that you aren't the only one who feels this way but some have learned how to deal with it. No need to get defensive about it.
I'm not being defensive I'm just saying word that better instead of saying you know just accept say eventually your gonnahave to accept it, Because as you already know it's not easy especially at my age, When I'm around bio guys all the time
Quote from: Brandon on January 05, 2014, 05:54:13 PM
I'm not being defensive I'm just saying word that better instead of saying you know just accept say eventually your gonnahave to accept it, Because as you already know it's not easy especially at my age, When I'm around bio guys all the time
I don't think you're being defensive. You just have a certain brashness that comes through via text. We are ALL around cis guys constantly. No matter if it is work or school. The thing we're trying to tell you is it is hard on all of us. We just accept that there are only a few ways we have to remedy the situation for ourselves. What good will it do to dwell on things that can't be right now? It'll only make you feel worse.
HAHA! Put any woman in front of me and I 100 percent guarantee they won't be comparing any anything to anything ;) sorry man but those who complain about size,have gotten ahold of some crappy men (sklill wise) I don't need to be a horse to know what I can do and I'm beyond confident in my skill and that's all I need.such a shame that more men can't learn about a womans body and only care to please them.doing so opens a whole need world of pleasure and then they wonder why they get cheated on or something lmfao.meh I commented to say I know for a fact it doesn't matter IF you know what the hell your doing but I guess some need large mass because they can't otherwise.just don't let it destory your self esteem alright?
Quote from: Brandon on January 05, 2014, 05:54:13 PM
I'm not being defensive I'm just saying word that better instead of saying you know just accept say eventually your gonna have to accept it, Because as you already know it's not easy especially at my age, When I'm around bio guys all the time
From what I've gathered from your posts, you and I are no more than several months different in age, and I've accepted that with technology how it is now, I may never get bottom surgery since the surgeries aren't quite what I want. It certainly was not easy for me to accept that, and sometimes I do get extremely upset about it from time to time. Age is really not an excuse here.
As others mentioned, since we're so young, we do have hope for improved surgeries. Try to remember that. It's always so uplifting for me when I remember that Dr. Atala has been able to grow fully functioning penises and graft them onto rabbits, and a large percentage of those rabbits were impregnating females with the grown penises. There's another doctor (I forgot his name) who has discovered that there's a single gene stopping ovaries from making testosterone, and they're working on making that discovery allow for ovaries to also create sperm. Add together the work of those two scientists and it is possible within our lifetime that we can have penises of whatever size we want that can get erect on their own and even make a woman pregnant. Some of the other guys aren't lucky enough to have hope to see this within their lifetimes, but we can. It may not be there yet and it sucks that we'll have to wait, but improvements are definitely in the nearish future. Try and remember that.
Quote from: Chaos on January 05, 2014, 06:54:58 PM
HAHA! Put any woman in front of me and I 100 percent guarantee they won't be comparing any anything to anything ;) sorry man but those who complain about size,have gotten ahold of some crappy men (sklill wise) I don't need to be a horse to know what I can do and I'm beyond confident in my skill and that's all I need.such a shame that more men can't learn about a womans body and only care to please them.doing so opens a whole need world of pleasure and then they wonder why they get cheated on or something lmfao.meh I commented to say I know for a fact it doesn't matter IF you know what the hell your doing but I guess some need large mass because they can't otherwise.just don't let it destory your self esteem alright?
You right
Quote from: CursedFireDean on January 05, 2014, 07:36:51 PM
From what I've gathered from your posts, you and I are no more than several months different in age, and I've accepted that with technology how it is now, I may never get bottom surgery since the surgeries aren't quite what I want. It certainly was not easy for me to accept that, and sometimes I do get extremely upset about it from time to time. Age is really not an excuse here.
As others mentioned, since we're so young, we do have hope for improved surgeries. Try to remember that. It's always so uplifting for me when I remember that Dr. Atala has been able to grow fully functioning penises and graft them onto rabbits, and a large percentage of those rabbits were impregnating females with the grown penises. There's another doctor (I forgot his name) who has discovered that there's a single gene stopping ovaries from making testosterone, and they're working on making that discovery allow for ovaries to also create sperm. Add together the work of those two scientists and it is possible within our lifetime that we can have penises of whatever size we want that can get erect on their own and even make a woman pregnant. Some of the other guys aren't lucky enough to have hope to see this within their lifetimes, but we can. It may not be there yet and it sucks that we'll have to wait, but improvements are definitely in the nearish future. Try and remember that.
Were definately close
Quote from: geek on January 05, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
Sir Wafflinton is clearly racist against people with small dicks
You're right, there is nothing worse than someone with a small dick... *looks in pants* ... OH GOD MY LIFE IS A LIE! :P
Quote from: Brandon on January 05, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
I didn't say it was a race thing but the chart that Jamie D put up clearly proves it African Americans do tend to be larger
How can "African Americans have larger penises" not be a race thing ??? Anyway, I was talking directly about the information that the graph was based on. Basically someone just took a whole lot of information that was made up and graphed it and a few years later someone posted that graph on a Trans* forum so everyone can feel sad about having small dicks.
Quote from: Brandon on January 05, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
I want her to feel me is what some of you guys aren't getting
Seconded the guy above, get a phallo. You will be able to have penetrative sex and there have been massive improvements in skin grafts and are now using skin "mesh" meaning they harvest from a smaller area. I don't know if this can be applied to the phalloplasty but soon enough they will be able to grow you your own skin and use that, and that's even if their aren't improvements in other areas. I am guessing the graft scar isn't the biggest thing for you but it is just one way these procedures are improving (see CursedFireDean's response).
Also, someone else mentioned micropenis. Basically a micropenis is what most guys get if the have a meta and it is the penis you grow yourself from testosterone (although I have heard of some very lucky guys who actually grow enough to get out of this range and into the "normal" range but that is not something you should count on as it is uncommon). It is also, as mentioned a medical condition affecting cis men. It is defined as an erect penis more than 2.5 standard deviations below the mean (that is, one that is not longer than 3 inches). 0.6% of men have this condition. That is a massive number medically speaking.
As a simplified demonstration, excluding myself my last high school had about 1200 students, half of whom (600) were male. 600*0.6/100 (the number of males*the frequency of the condition per every hundred people). 600*0.6/100 = 3.6 which rounds up to 4. At my last high school there were 4 other guys who were going to end up with dicks just as small as I will and that is excluding all the intersex boys/ boys with other genital differences (who don't qualify as having a micropenis even if they are in the length range).
Not everyone is a porn star, not every guy is capable of penetrative sex, not every guy produces sperm, we are both young and will see technology change in our lifetimes so we won't have to live with all these things forever.
Quote from: Sir Wafflinton on January 05, 2014, 11:44:35 PM
How can "African Americans have larger penises" not be a race thing ??? Anyway, I was talking directly about the information that the graph was based on. Basically someone just took a whole lot of information that was made up and graphed it and a few years later someone posted that graph on a Trans* forum so everyone can feel sad about having small dicks.
Sir Wafflinton, the data are the data. You can draw from it whatever you want, or do not want. There is nothing inherently prejudiced or racist about it.
In terms of scientific study, you are not likely to find one done today, based on race, because the concept of race is rather undefined. Failing to find solid scientific evidence, we fall back on "expert" observation.
Here is one such testimonial:
"My conclusions, I guess, can be based on my observations clinically," says Dr. Robert Stubbs, a Canadian penis-enhancement surgeon. "I think there is definitely a racial difference, and at this point – and I'm quite prepared to be proven wrong – there are three sizes: black, white and yellow (Asian), in descending order."And another:
"Anthropological studies from the past 100 years have really documented that, on average, penis size of east Asian males are smaller than western European and North American males," states Dr. Robert Francoeur, editor of the The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality. "And African males, on average, have a larger penis size." On the opposite side of the argument,
Toronto-based physician, Dr. Jerald Bain, who treats men with reproductive disorders, thinks there isn't yet an answer he's satisfied with. "But I can tell you from my own personal experience in seeing hundreds and hundreds of men – and I have the added advantage of working in Toronto, a very international city – that there is no difference from one ethnic origin to another."Interestingly, Bain makes this observation:
"We measured [men's] height and found that penis size was related to shoe size – but only insofar as it related to the general size of the man," explains Bain. Although the statistical relationship was weak, it was there, and taller men tend to have larger appendages of all sorts, including the penis.Let me add my own experience. From the time I was in seventh grade, we showered after taking our physical education class, or if we participated in school sports. I have seen lots of naked natal men. Thousands. I would agree with the Bain observation on stature and Stubbs observations about a distribution according to race/ethnicity. In my own experience, somewhat more than a weak statistical relationship.
My post was no more intended to make anyone fell bad about themselves, than would one talking about options for breast enhancement in MtFs. Brandon wants to have a functional, natal male-like penis. More power to him. He wants to meet his own perceived cultural norms. This is no more racist or demeaning than an MtF wanting DDD-cup boobs.
It is about the individual's self-image, and I will respect his.
I think the issue lies with what's possible and what's not, if an MTF wants to have triple D boobs, she can save up and have the surgery to do so, wanting a functioning natal dick isn't a realistic option, yes, it sucks, but crying about it doesn't make it happen, we either learn to accept what we have, or have surgery to correct it as best we can, or we wait for medical advancement
Quote from: geek on January 06, 2014, 01:33:49 AM
I think the issue lies with what's possible and what's not, if an MTF wants to have triple D boobs, she can save up and have the surgery to do so, wanting a functioning natal dick isn't a realistic option, yes, it sucks, but crying about it doesn't make it happen, we either learn to accept what we have, or have surgery to correct it as best we can, or we wait for medical advancement
Those are all goods points, Harry. But those triple-Ds are likely to be based on saline or silicone. It is a case of esthetics. Similarly with phalloplasty,
at this time.
I like to think that medical science can make progress to help us all in the near future.
I hope so too :(
Don't be sad.
If you look at the progress medical science has made, in relation to the care and treatment of transpeople, you have to be hopeful.
80 years ago there were no hormones and no surgeries (except castration for the Mtf/eunuch).
How far along has FtM bottom surgery come in, say, the last 20 years? A long way.
That's true and it's always something to look forward to, if not for us, then future generations :)
Quote from: Jamie D on January 06, 2014, 02:15:21 AM
Don't be sad.
If you look at the progress medical science has made, in relation to the care and treatment of transpeople, you have to be hopeful.
80 years ago there were no hormones and no surgeries (except castration for the Mtf/eunuch).
How far along has FtM bottom surgery come in, say, the last 20 years? A long way.
I'm in the yearly grant writing cycle at the moment, my chances of funding? If my grants are excellent 1/5. I have no publications in journals above 6.6 IF the last year, that is a high IF but not high enough it decreases my chances by 50%. Mmmmm what is the cost of a a nuclear aircraft carrier again? One of them, just one would advance science by decades. But a grant for advancing phalloplasty? Unless the USA military want it, in your dreams. Sadly.
Quote from: Cindy on January 06, 2014, 02:26:37 AM
I'm in the yearly grant writing cycle at the moment, my chances of funding? If my grants are excellent 1/5. I have no publications in journals above 6.6 IF the last year, that is a high IF but not high enough it decreases my chances by 50%. Mmmmm what is the cost of a a nuclear aircraft carrier again? One of them, just one would advance science by decades. But a grant for advancing phalloplasty? Unless the USA military want it, in your dreams. Sadly.
Unfortunately that is very true.
Quote from: Jamie D on January 06, 2014, 01:16:19 AM
Sir Wafflinton, the data are the data. You can draw from it whatever you want, or do not want. There is nothing inherently prejudiced or racist about it.
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. The problem is that you are presenting this data like fact, when it has been thoroughly discredited. It is more I get annoyed when people don't take 2 seconds to Google scholar their info. I could say "vaccines cause Autism, the data is the data" and have a graph to back it up but the problem is my data is crap.
I am going to say there is something inherently prejudiced about this research. If someone has a (racist) pet theory, creates a ridiculously unreliable research project supporting said theory, finds something that can be passed off as a correlation and then does not investigate further then I'd call that prejudiced.
If you want to call me out about the ridiculously unreliable part, I suggest you read these first:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0191886988901365
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0092656689900299
"This ordering was predicted from a gene-based evolutionary theory of r/K reproductive strategies in which a trade-off occurs between gamete production and social behaviors such as intelligence, law-abidingness, and parental care." (from the "parent research" of the study I believe your data comes from)
I'm sorry but I don't understand how this is not racist.
Quote from: Jamie D on January 06, 2014, 01:16:19 AM
He wants to meet his own perceived cultural norms.
Yes but "perceived cultural norms" are the reasons why so many women have eating disorders, why plastic surgery to make Asian faces look western is a thriving business, why men of all races feel insecure about their penis size. When the perception is out of line with reality and this is causing distress, I don't see why it is wrong to let people see they are not as "abnormal" as they think.
It makes me feel uncomfortable. I am average male height but I have many Asian friends who are taller than me. If I said I fell bad because it is culturally normal that I (a white guy) should be taller than them because "short Asians" is a cultural stereotype I'd hope everyone here would tell me that there is nothing wrong with being who I am.
I'm agreeing with both of you. (Jamie D and Sir Wafflinton)
Please put it in another topic.
That is not a request.
Cindy
My sincere apologies to everyone. This is the first time I have ever met anyone who openly thinks there are any real differences between individuals of differing ethnicities and it just surprised me a little and I got carried away. These forums are meant to be a place to find support and not somewhere to squabble amongst ourselves. I'll try to stick on topic in the future.
Quote from: Sir Wafflinton on January 06, 2014, 05:14:14 AM
My sincere apologies to everyone. This is the first time I have ever met anyone who openly thinks there are any real differences between individuals of differing ethnicities and it just surprised me a little and I got carried away. These forums are meant to be a place to find support and not somewhere to squabble amongst ourselves. I'll try to stick on topic in the future.
I'm a professional scientist, I think your argument well made, please start a thread about truth in scientific presentation of 'fact'.
Cindy
I don't want to worry to much about my size I live 20 min away from a street filled with sexshops so if someone is not satified with my size they can go there and pick a dick for me in any size, colour, vibration movements or whatever they want.
if they dont like that either then I guess there alittle boring for my taste ::).
Quote from: Natkat on January 06, 2014, 05:35:23 AM
I don't want to worry to much about my size I live 20 min away from a street filled with sexshops so if someone is not satified with my size they can go there and pick a dick for me in any size, colour, vibration movements or whatever they want.
if they dont like that either then I guess there alittle boring for my taste ::).
Good attitude to have.
Quote from: Natkat on January 06, 2014, 05:35:23 AM
I don't want to worry to much about my size I live 20 min away from a street filled with sexshops so if someone is not satified with my size they can go there and pick a dick for me in any size, colour, vibration movements or whatever they want.
if they dont like that either then I guess there alittle boring for my taste ::).
Thanks! This is the attitude I try to have, but you worded it much better than I could have.
Quote from: Jamie D on January 05, 2014, 03:28:49 AM
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Umm, how do I say this?
If you look at the distribution by ethnicity, you can see African-Americans are, on average, larger than other ethnicities.
And yet, there are like 4 billion Asians. It's not the heat of the meat or the angle of the dangle that counts.
YUP! African Americans are on average one tenth of an inch ( 2.5mm - about the thickness of 7 pieces of computer paper, or a very well trimmed fingernal) above their Caucasian brothers.
As for me .02 about size being important. Yup, for some women it is important, but I encourage everyone to ask the next woman they see to hold their hands about 8 inches apart. Most people have no idea what an 8inch penis looks like.
I have been with plenty of women and I am always curious about this size thing. I asked the last girl I was with if I was bigger than her ex. We were sort of joking about it and I just got curious. Her response (and this is after she had lots of sex with me) "I would need to put it in my mouth to tell you". It turns out I am a good 2 inches longer and inch thicker than her ex and SHE COULD NOT TELL during sex.
Also, 75 percent of women can not orgasm from penetration. If that doesn't tell you something, than there's nothing to be done.
I already know that 75 percent of woman cannot orgasm during penetration
Quote from: chuck on January 07, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
YUP! African Americans are on average one tenth of an inch ( 2.5mm - about the thickness of 7 pieces of computer paper, or a very well trimmed fingernal) above their Caucasian brothers.
As for me .02 about size being important. Yup, for some women it is important, but I encourage everyone to ask the next woman they see to hold their hands about 8 inches apart. Most people have no idea what an 8inch penis looks like.
I have been with plenty of women and I am always curious about this size thing. I asked the last girl I was with if I was bigger than her ex. We were sort of joking about it and I just got curious. Her response (and this is after she had lots of sex with me) "I would need to put it in my mouth to tell you". It turns out I am a good 2 inches longer and inch thicker than her ex and SHE COULD NOT TELL during sex.
Also, 75 percent of women can not orgasm from penetration. If that doesn't tell you something, than there's nothing to be done.
Interesting post Chuck. Reminds me of the joke. Although it is a visual one, but I think people will get it anyway. It's either "why can't men do math?" or "why are men such big liars?" And then you hold your fingers apart from each other in some small way. "Because they think that's 6 inches".
I lived as a female for a long time, okay I wasn't a very good one maybe. Okay I was a complete failure. LOL. But it didn't mean I didn't' hear conversations. *Some* women are size queens but not even most of them are. And the alleged hugeness of African American men is more from porn than from RL.
I've heard of trans guys who can have penetrative sex before surgery. I'm sure they do this by being very good love makers.
--Jay
Yep 75 is a pretty big number when it comes to penetration.I learned that as long as you got skills and good with your hands,tongue and pretty much everything else-not only will she O but she won't give two sh++s what your size is lol
since most women cant get off to just penetration alone, I don't think size really does matter, long as you can please your partner...sure it bothers me sometimes because I lack any sort of penis and sure I get jealous at my girls ex's cause they had a damn penis, but I think long as you can please your partner and make her legs shake, your good, also to big isn't good, it would just be painful, I'd rather be able to be balls deep than half my rod in there
I haven't had sex yet but I don't think size matters. It's not about the size of your penis but the way you use it.
I was talking about from a womans perspective.
just ask the girl your with, I asked mine, most chicks don't care about size
Quote from: Brandon on February 02, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
I was talking about from a womans perspective.
So was I, I've heard a lot of conversations. I would guess more than you have, just statistically speaking that's likely to be the case. I will tell you MOST women don't care, some do. Go to a sex shop and get a big one and that's all you need. :)
--Jay
Quote from: Ryan55 on February 02, 2014, 01:07:08 PM
just ask the girl your with, I asked mine, most chicks don't care about size
My last girl friend didn't even care when I told her I wasn't going to get bottom surgery (not to say if medicine advances, in fact I'm a willing human guinea pig if they can in my lifetime). I barely even used my feel-doe on her. She preferred everything else I had to offer and she is 100% straight.
I also have a group of that fights over me now that I'm single because I'm just great in bed. Women really don't care and if they do they are't worth caring about.
I know a lot of women and what they care about is the care that you show them during intimacy. The ladies I know want a man who is willing to spend time on them because he cares about their needs. I am very gay but I have had ladies proposition me because they know I'm a caring lover
From a woman's perspective... all the conversations both I and my wife have had with women have suggested that length doesn't matter at all and width matters up to a point but "too big" is MUCH worse than too small. In fact, several said they preferred small, because otherwise it could hurt. And some of the other things these female friends said to critique their lovers in this kind of girls-only chat? They were not pulling any punches. ;)
(I actually know a cis guy who's no more than an inch hard, and less wide than a finger. He had no trouble getting girls, and he got married last year.)
From *this* woman's perspective, someone who knows what they're doing is the most important part!! I can get a plastic boyfriend in any length and girth I want; I don't go to a lover for that.