Just like the title says. I've heard dr. Saran is similar to suporn(but I'm not really sure.). Wondering whose good and isn't insanely expensive about 15k most I could shell out and that's having an extended place to stay for free and a brother who speaks fluent thai and is well traveled there.
Bonus to anyone who can tell me about quality cheap dental work in Thailand. I want to replace some or possibly all with implants or at least replace the broken ones and revitalize the rest. Got quoted 11k for fixing my existing teeth locally without extractions or replacements.
Chettawut has a pretty good reputation and is about that price. He has a non inversion technique that seems to be the same or very similar to suporns one. If I had that budget for Thailand he would probably be my first consideration.
Cool. I was previously thinking it would cost me closer to 30k but with a little luck and some planning 15k is doable. I want to make this my first surgery since I've read you can get better results if you do it early on and also to make name change and gender change easier.
Try Preecha at PAI. His clinic (Including a separate clinic and 2 entire floors in the Piavate Hospital Bangkok) is the largest and best equipped in Thailand. Preecha trained Chet, Suporn, Kamol, Saran and most of the others. His status is such that he hosted and chaired this years international WPATH symposium. He is currently charging $8600 for scrotal graft SRS. However, one caveat is that although Preecha is present during the surgery, most of the work is done by others. Don't let that put you off though. I have copied the link out below;
http://pai.co.th/ (http://pai.co.th/)
I am very pleased with dr Suporn's result. The aftercare is superb!
The rule of thumb here is that of those who have had surgery in Thailand that they will say their surgeon was the best, that being said I had surgery with Dr. Chettawut and was very pleased. I spent about 17k total, but it is entirely doable for 15k.
P. A. I. Is cheaper but there have been horror stories a few to many times here on this site not to mention off the site, Preecha was good back when he did his own surgeries, in fact he even taught Chettawut an Suporn, but as it stands today P. A. I. Is a but if a crapp shoot, yes some had good luck with them, but to me there are to many bad stories to take a chance, same God with Dr. Reed here in the US just to many bad stories. I have heard Dr. McGinn here in the US is pretty good and also within your budget. As for teeth I have been thinking about Thailand as well and from what I have researched it'll be round 20k which happens to be the same as here with my insurance. So Idk for me, right now it's out if my range atm.
To be honest I was going to go to Chet I had made enquiries and my mind was made up. However I was put off by my gender specialist here in the UK based on the number of serious complications he had seen from the clinic. I can say though that I have not personally heard of any problems amongst my friends who went to him. Conversly almost all of those that I know who went to Suporn also returned for revisions some quite serious. They would all still recommend him though despite their problems.
Calico, I am not going to get into a my surgeon is the best arguement because that doesn't help anybody and frankly I dont know if he was or wasn't. I can only say that I am very happy with the work done at PAI by both Dr Preeha and Dr Burin and depth and sensitivity are good. The appearance is also similar to the pictures on other the other Thai surgeons sites. I think that you are being most unfair to Dr Peecha and his team in that he has no more horror stories on this site than any of the others (even Chet and Suporn have them) and I suspect that you don't personally know anybody who has been there, so your information is anecdotal.
It really doesn't matter whether Preecha does the work himself as all of his surgoens have to have a lot experience in order to join the clinic and they all have to use the same Preecha "unique" method. Don't ask me what's unique about it though because I have no idea. I will say that if you have to return to PAI for cosmetic revision they may well make a charge. You have to weigh that up against a lower initial surgery price though
The fact is Sophie asked for information on Thai surgeons and PAI are worth considering
Quote from: Susan T on February 25, 2014, 04:22:02 PM
Calico, I am not going to get into a my surgeon is the best arguement because that doesn't help anybody and frankly I dont know if he was or wasn't. I can only say that I am very happy with the work done at PAI by both Dr Preeha and Dr Burin and depth and sensitivity are good. The appearance is also similar to the pictures on other the other Thai surgeons sites. I think that you are being most unfair to Dr Peecha and his team in that he has no more horror stories on this site than any of the others (even Chet and Suporn have them) and I suspect that you don't personally know anybody who has been there, so your information is anecdotal.
Oh no I don't want to get into the my surgeon is better than argument either, that's why I noted most views by people who have surgery are usually biased. My biggest point was to remember the reviews good and bad, I'm glad he worked out for you, but when I decided, was because I didn't want to take a chance and when I emailed them for the first time they responded with the request of payment first before they discussed anything, that was a major turn off for me. On another hand I actually know 3 people who went to P. A. I. One of them was extremely satisfied with no issues the other two, local girls to me ended up going to Meltzer and Bowers to have major corrections ad complications "fixed". Still don't make me feel exactly confident in them.
Playing Devils advocate I have know 5 girls who went to Chettawut of which 2 had complications, one with necrosis (I believe because of smoking), and the other with stitch problem. So honestly I truth what it comes down to is your confidence in the surgeon you choose, which can be based on reviews here and on the Web, and through personal experience the interaction over emails and by first hand experiences.
That's how I chose anyway, as for good and bad here the only bad reviews of Chettawut I have read had little substance, just someone saying don't go there and one I believe that they had post surgery regret. I have definitely heard/read about more bad experiences with P. A. I. Here than Chettawut and Suporn for sure. But then again people do say you rarely here the bad stories about surgery.
I honestly didn't mean to come off as trying to start an argument, if it seemed that way I apologize, I was only trying to add information, good and bad, as I don't believe one should choose a doctor for such a major surgery on positive outcomes alone :/
I think that was the point that I was trying to make Calico. In fact I personally know 4 others who went to PAI before me without problems and another who followed and has complained about hair on the floor of the vaginal entrance (an area thats not scraped by any surgeon). There is really only one person here who has complained in a number of posts on this site over problems that she had following a colon graft. To counter that there is a page on Pink essence that is very favourable http://pinkessence.com/group/ThailandSRS/forum/topics/dr-preecha-discussion-thread (http://pinkessence.com/group/ThailandSRS/forum/topics/dr-preecha-discussion-thread). I wonder, did PAI offer to carry out the surgical revisions on the people who had serious complications?
To fairly judge a doctor or his clinic you have to look at a broad number of cases over a period of time and filter out complaints by those who simply had unrealistic expectations. Incidently, I had my surgery in July 2010 and wasn't asked to pay a penny prior to the surgery date. As I have said previosly I am not touting PAI as being the best but I still believe that they are very competent adt their outcomes are no better or worse than any other top flight Thai clinic.
I didn't go to Chet because I was scared off at the last moment by a medical professional. However, in hind sight I now believe that the horror story was probably greatly exaggerated. I certainly wouldn't advise others to avoid him. I rulled out Suporn simply because his prices are outrageous.
What does concern me though is the mythology surounding certain surgeons who are championed by former patients regardless of their own outcomes and who charge Hollywood prices on the back of thier publicity (incidentally I'm not accusing you of doing this).
I can only speak for the Thai procedures of course. I couldn't have afforded to go to the U.S.A and so I know little of the methods used by surgeons there and I wouldn't have wanted the free medical treatment provided here in the UK, although there are a very large number of people who have been through the process and who are pleased with their outcome.
I have a number of friends who have been to surgeons all over Thailand, PAI, Saran, Suporn etc and have yet to hear a complaint from any of them, they are all extremely happy. Where there are regrets, it is usually unrealistic expectations etc.
I am a chet girl, along with 2 of my close personal friends all in the past year and then know of many other chet girls, and again, were all ecstatic about our results and the whole experience with him. These surgeons are all good in their own respects and techniques.
Horror stories exist about all surgeons, worldwide, and if one were to believe all of them, you would never go for surgery. If I had to chose a surgeon based on the photos available on the internet, again, I would have had great difficulty chosing.
The reason I chose my surgeon was knowing my closest friends had been there, and were happy. Also taking into account how many thousands of successful surgeries he has done as opposed to the handfull of dissatisfied clients, the statistics far favour a successfull outcome and he was not as expensive compared to some of the others.
Fact remains though, when were happy, we enjoy our happiness but when were dissatisfied, the world gets to hear about it and that is the reason so many stories abound of botched surgeries or people having to go for revisions. The successful ones carry on with life and generally we never get to hear those stories. That is the reason I would like to share mine and those of my close friends.
All of the best on this part of your journey, exciting times ahead!
Adrienne.
So, ive narrowed down my list to Preecha and Chetawut. I'm Still incredibly unclear about what paperwork i need to bring for those doctors. I'm nearly at a year of RLE now, and i can get the srs recommendation anytime i want, But im not sure ill make the "legit" hormone requirement of 1 year if they require that. Part of that being that i wont have enough $$$ to see a legit doctor till may(although i have one). and im leaving for Thailand in october and staying there till april. So my documented time on hormones will be just hitting 12 months when i leave thailand. Both websites seem to be a little unclear about what documents exactly i need to bring.
I'm also a bit confused about how much time ill have to wait after scheduling. Do these doctors have very long waiting lists?
Dr. Suporn in pattaya , thailand is really popular and good here
The gender clinic at YanHee hospital is pretty good. It's a panel of surgeons though, not just one, the big man supervises, he does not wield the scalpel. It's a really huge hospital, one of the largest in BKK. Excellent reputation for plastic surgery generally.
http://www.yanhee.net/treatment-procedure/srt-mtf
The 14 days is not all in the main hospital, there is a recovery/convalescalent center adjoining/nearby where you spend the second week.
But like everywhere in BKK (everywhere in the world?) - the hospital food is truly wretched and you end up ordering in :-)
240,000THB
Quote from: Sophia Hawke on March 17, 2014, 03:11:57 AM
But im not sure ill make the "legit" hormone requirement of 1 year if they require that. Part of that being that i wont have enough $$$ to see a legit doctor till may(although i have one).
Presently on physician prescribed hormones and been on hormones for a year (evidenced by at least some breast development),
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been on physician prescribed hormones for a year.
Quote from: Susan T on February 24, 2014, 04:56:21 PM
Try Preecha at PAI. His clinic (Including a separate clinic and 2 entire floors in the Piavate Hospital Bangkok) is the largest and best equipped in Thailand. Preecha trained Chet, Suporn, Kamol, Saran and most of the others. His status is such that he hosted and chaired this years international WPATH symposium. He is currently charging $8600 for scrotal graft SRS. However, one caveat is that although Preecha is present during the surgery, most of the work is done by others. Don't let that put you off though. I have copied the link out below;
http://pai.co.th/ (http://pai.co.th/)
Not surprised if it's medical students doing it, it's very common all over the world to have students be assisted by a doctor, but the doctor almost literally holds their hands during surgery. It's a good way to save costs, because universities are always looking to get actual surgical experience for students.
Preecha's "underlings" are actually very experienced plastic surgeons. Working in his clinic is considered to be a presige position. Preech and Burin (his current assisant) did my surgery but they were working on both ends of me at the same time. I believe that Burin did the majority of the SRS element.
Sophia, you will find the Thais are very flexible if you can provide them with a good reason for not having followed the guidelines to the letter, i.e they dont treat the WPATH guidelines as inflexible rules. I had surgery without completing my year RLE. I did have a letter from my UK gender specialist but as I only had one referral and was outside of the guidelines I also had to have an hour long interview with a Thai psychiatrist (which was of course at an extra cost of $25 (Chet charges $300)).
Quote from: Susan T on March 18, 2014, 02:23:03 AM
Preecha's "underlings" are actually very experienced plastic surgeons. Working in his clinic is considered to be a presige position. Preech and Burin (his current assisant) did my surgery but they were working on both ends of me at the same time. I believe that Burin did the majority of the SRS element.
Sophia, you will find the Thais are very flexible if you can provide them with a good reason for not having followed the guidelines to the letter, i.e they dont treat the WPATH guidelines as inflexible rules. I had surgery without completing my year RLE. I did have a letter from my UK gender specialist but as I only had one referral and was outside of the guidelines I also had to have an hour long interview with a Thai psychiatrist (which was of course at an extra cost of $25 (Chet charges $300)).
I'm actually looking for a doctor and therapist as well in Thailand who speak fluent english for when im there for 7 months(seriously cant do without a therapist.) I really really really want to have srs when im in thailand. its really irritating to me that i can have sex properly, and since hormones, i really have thing for guys even though they mostly scare or piss me off.
My backup plan is to have ffs or vfs i really dont know what the waiting period is like. Some of these surgeons seem like they are pretty backed up. SRS makes a name and gender change super easy to right?
You need to ask the individual surgeons when they will be able to fit you in. I suspect that you wouldn't have too much of a problem with PAI or the Yanhee, although the Yanhee may be a little more inflexible. Try contacting these people. They will do the legwork for you and they know just how flexible with the rules individual clinics are prepared to be. http://www.plasticsurgerythailand.com/. They wont charge you for there service
I had SRS with Chettawut about a month ago, referred by a close friend (like so many others), and I've been very happy with the results so far (and just visited a gynecologist who told me, "the surgeon you saw must be good!"). I'd definitely recommend him.
For me, the total cost, including travel and lodging was:
- ~$10,400 for SRS
- + ~$1,000 for an extra skin graft (most patients will need this)
- + ~$920 for a month at the Bangkok Rama (~$33/night)
- + ~$1,500 for airfare from the eastern U.S.
- = ~$13,820, altogether.
(I see Chet recently raised his SRS prices (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/?page_id=5675) from ฿320,000, the price I paid, to ฿333,000, likely due to the recent devaluation of the baht thanks to the political unrest. At the current exchange rate, $10,281.04, that's still less than the $10,371.85 I paid late last year.)
The overall cost is more expensive (at least another ~$600) if you stay at the Dusit Princess hotel instead of the Bangkok Rama. The Dusit seems to be the more popular option, which surprised me; the Rama's cottages are not only cheaper (the reason I chose the Rama) but also very convenient for the post-op period, and you can save money by cooking for yourself in the included kitchenette (make sure to stock up at the Tesco across the street before surgery!) instead of eating out every day. At the Rama, my per-diem costs for food were easily the same as if I were back home.
A good friend of mine went to Suporn (~$18,000), and I get the impression they're pretty much equal in skill; Suporn patients pay more because he has a larger operation and offers amenities for recovering patients at his large clinic, while Chettawut patients are largely left on their own at their hotel after a few days of recovery at the clinic/hospital, aside from daily nurse visits from the adorable Sri and a follow-up around post-op day 18. (But you won't feel alone with all the other Chet patients around, at either hotel.) You could say Suporn is the big, corporate operation, while Chettawut has a more mom 'n' pop feel. (Literally, as his wife is head nurse!) Different folks will have different preferences, but I was personally very satisfied with my Chettawut experience and think he offers a good deal.
I will be staying in phrase for the duration of my stay in Thailand with the exception of getting surgery in bangkok. Its really just a matter of who will be flexable with me on the requirements for hrt.
I also still need to find a doctor and therapist in Chiang man or Chiang rai.
For those who don't have letters Chettawut can schedule you with a local Psychologist who will write your letters after a session, and yes they speak English. In a thread I made originally when I went another member here gave me an additional suggestion at a community hospital in which she used, perhaps search for my thread "here we go" , also Chett is fairly understanding , when I went I didn't have documented proof of being medicated, but I did have a name and gender change years before so...... perhaps that made a difference I am not sure, but I don't believe a couple month will be an end all to what you plan to have done.
I just recently got a reply from Dr. Saran as he is one of my choices in Thailand. Time plays a big factor for me because I don't think I can wait whole year before getting it done. But Saran no longer performs sigmoid colon graft. He only does the penile inversion with scrotal graft. it costs about 8500$ before 2015 then 10k after that. I am just waiting on my two letters tomorrow then I am set to get my srs next month. I am pretty much set with Saran as there are hardly if NONE any bad or negative reviews about him. Everyone is different and every person has different material the surgeon can work with. Also caring for the neo vagina plays a big factor! I don't think I can wait and tap my fingers for Brassard as he has a year wait for SRS. Dr. Saran in my experience out of Chettawut, Supporn, Preecha an Brassard was the only one who was extremely detailed with an email response to my inquiry. Saran responded with dates available, and what to expect for surgery.
I chose Chett because of reviews I've read here and elsewhere and the correspondence I received when I enquired. As previously stated the price is 330,000THB When I asked about 6-8 weeks ago they only required you to choose a date 3-4 months ahead. My date was chosen later than that to suit my partners work schedule. With currency fluctuation I'm sure you are well within budget.
You may encounter some resistance to not staying local in the first few weeks post op. From what I've read the taxi ride back to the hotel will not be bad only because it's a short distance and the nurses visit you there daily except Sundays. I wouldn't fancy a terribly long drive north to Chiang Mai or even a flight so soon after major surgery.
Good Luck
Sorcha :)
As a potential Chet girl, I thought I'd give my 2 cents.
The only thing I don't like (or maybe not looking forward to) is the required stay @ the 'partner hotels'. As someone mentioned earlier, wherein the 'discount'? I believe we are still charged the usual rate but 'forced' to stay for 20 odd days.
OF course i see the benefit of doing so, and nurses visiting you etc etc but seriously, I think we should be allowed to decide on the place to stay. Some people may have accommodation already (I wonder if the Thais who did it with Chett are subject to this requirement too?). Of course again when I say allowed to decide, it should be reasonably near to the clinic, e.g., in the Onnut area etc.
Apart from that, I'm really looking forward to everything and I chose Chettawut too, because of the value for money and the results. I think he is one of the top and yet his charges are still reasonable (for now!).
Having come back recently - and stayed at Dusit Princess. The nurse visits the two hotels (Rama and Dusit) every morning before returning to the clinic to help with the afternoon operations. Typically she will visit around 8 patients at Dusit - and perhaps another 8 at Rama. One patient will be unwrapping - allow 30 minutes. Some may be fast - allow 5 minutes. Typically it is 90 minutes at each hotel - plus travel time. There are always traffic jams in bankok. Her whole morning is spent with patients.
Whilst I agree being able to stay at another hotel would be nice - both the Dusit and Rama are well aware of the needs of their special clientele. And the first 10 days are essentially confined to your room so it is good to have a comfortable one.
I just viewed it as part of the package and decided that it was not worth worrying about.
Quote from: Monkeymel on October 09, 2014, 08:28:32 AM
There are always traffic jams in bankok. Her whole morning is spent with patients.
Bangkok is the only place I've ever visited where you can have 5 lines of stationary traffic on a 3 lane road ;D ;D The Thais sure know what congestion is all about :)
Quote from: Monkeymel on October 09, 2014, 08:28:32 AM
Whilst I agree being able to stay at another hotel would be nice - both the Dusit and Rama are well aware of the needs of their special clientele. And the first 10 days are essentially confined to your room so it is good to have a comfortable one.
I just viewed it as part of the package and decided that it was not worth worrying about.
I have to agree with Mel especially if you go alone. There are allot of very good relatively inexpensive hotels in Bangkok but most are located in the city which would be an horrendous journey both for us and the nurses and then you have the problem of food and supplies in the time you're confined to quarters. I think considering the potential issues of leaving patients to supply their own accommodation it is good that the clinic helps out and they have already sorted out things before we arrive.
Long haul flying carries an increased risk of DVT and that increases after surgery so 3 weeks was the least I'd have wanted post op before getting on a plane and I'm only doing it so soon because I have booked Business Class for my return so I can lie down. Of course it's natural to want to be home and I think there would be many who'd go home sooner if they could so maybe the clinic is deliberately keeping us there longer but for our own good :)
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
Blackponyx: if something smells funnyit's usually because there's something funny going on. do you think a person can be greedy and dishonest as a person/business man but honest as a doctor? That's all I can say. make your own conclusions. Just know that I've met him personally.
Quote from: SorchaC on October 09, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
Bangkok is the only place I've ever visited where you can have 5 lines of stationary traffic on a 3 lane road ;D ;D The Thais sure know what congestion is all about :)
.... so maybe the clinic is deliberately keeping us there longer but for our own good :)
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
That's why you use motorcycles during rush hours. Or sleep on the bus/in the taxi... :D
I can tell you that the surgeons here usually let Thai people go after 2 days and white ppl/foreigners after 4-6 days.
20 days is definitely not normal. It's just about the money.