For those MTFs further along the HRT continuum, I'm curious to know how many along you were before you felt (and/or were told) that you looked more female than male. In other words, what was your neutral-dress tipping point?
Thank you in advance for you replies :)
Today
Quote from: DrZoey on February 20, 2014, 12:24:33 AM
Today
In that case, I'm lucky that I posed the question today :)
Félicitations!
Ooh congratulations!
I am not there yet, but the thing I notice watching endless youtube transition videos is the seven month mark seems to be the start of male fail in my eyes... of course everyone is different so don't get despondent at seven!
Umm, have I even turned that corner yet, or did I do it ages ago? That doesn't matter to me. I went PermaJill almost a year ago, male fail or not.
I think I look and feel much more femme with every passing day. (Pun not intended, really...) ::) Give it another year or two and I do think I will end up looking like a middle aged statuesque cutie.
After 9 months hrt.
I'm still waiting for it.
I can see definite progress but not there yet after nearly 5 months, gee that long already ???.
When did start looking more female than male?
To whom? Me? I am still waiting... Well, it changes day by day, forwards and backwards.
To others? Those human beans, they are each so different and my mind reading skills are so poor. Really they are. I couldn't really tell you. Besides, how do you measure it? If you are using time from taking HRT as a point, well, then you are assuming it is the HRT that is making the difference, when really the biggest factors are other things.
Quote from: Jenny07 on February 20, 2014, 03:34:19 AM
I can see definite progress but not there yet after nearly 5 months, gee that long already ???.
Same here. I have been on a low dose of HRT for about 4 years and on a transitioning dose since Oct 8 of 2013.
I guess it depends on who's perspective you are talking about. My friends seem to only see Eva. I see the old me occasionally in the mirror, but lately I'm seeing Eva in the mirror more and more.
Recently I was at a friends house and I used the bathroom - While I was in there I happened to glance in the mirror and I was shocked at the thin faced girl I saw looking back at me. Big changes have happened over the past few weeks it seems. Even at my "mature" age HRT is working.
I actually dont know
I noticed that I really looked female about 10 months HRT, but my roommate says she thought I always looked female when I crossed dressed...
I started getting correctly gendered on occasion as female even when dressed as male about the 8th month. Went full time after 10. I pass fully, but it's funny; after 18 months on hrt, I can say that without clothes and makeup, it depends on the day. That seems to be the way the gestalt of gender works, leading one way or the other, often depending on my mood. For me, it's a reminder that even though I'm female, I am always in transition.
Happy journey. It's quite a ride.
Jane
double folded question!
first of all age has everything to do with it. Start as early as 14-16 you are almost guaranteed quick and rather fully immersive transition experience. At that stage even a month makes a difference.
However, the older one gets, lets say beyond 25, changes slow down, further into older age and changes take eons to manifest.
Pass the 30's and it seems one is climbing Himalayas to get to the pinnacle of visual femininity.
For most, the ungifted in the fem look department, surgery becomes a holy grail, and there still if someone had been bestowed the bloky thick representation of natures real man scenario, then even surgery outcome borders on iffy.
At six months hrt, I had to go to a meeting drab. I got ma'amed everywhere. Part could be an obviously femme hairstyle, and andro clothing.
Last month I noticed I could not wear a tee shirt and pretend to be male, but I'm already full time, and proud of my boobs, so it doesn't really matter.
This is a great question, I really enjoying all the responses.
I feel like I'm teetering on the edge at just under 7 months. In girl mode I pass pretty well. In guy mode I don't get gendered as female much (happened maybe 3 or so times). I'm getting happier daily in the way I look without makeup too which is nice because I can explore more neutral and natural colors and tones but still feel confident enough to present as female.
Looks like 7-10 months seems to cover a lot of people.
My first misgendering was after four-ish months. Consistent male fail at six or seven. Full time at eight.
Thirteen months in, I don't have many days at all where I feel ugly in the mirror, and none where I doubt that I pass.
Plus my hairline is de-receding rapidly, which is nice and reassuring.
4 months and glimpses in the mirror, looking forward to the 7th month thing
The day I went Full Time! *giggles* ;D ;D ;D
I noticed changes in between my transition but I still saw male , I found I looked more female than male after 12 months. Forever a late bloomer.
About four months; by six months I couldn't pass as male successfully while dressed in guy clothes and flashing male ID. (Except at work - never underestimate how powerful the urge to see what you expect is, I guess!)
When I go out in girl mode I do get gendered female...
but when I go out in androgynous mode I get gendered male :/
So the way I see it , 2 months into hrt , its something...
I think I look 50-50 lol
I'm going to be starting HRT next week, and this thread is definitely giving me a mood boost. Thank youuuu ;)
About six months.
By about two to two-and-a-half months dressed as a guy I started getting called she. It was shocking. By month three and a half, I was adjusting my belt and the police saw me, I live in a piss poor neighborhood, and thought I was stuffing drugs in my crotch, er, vagina. They stopped me and told me to give them the drugs they know and don't make it worse. I said go haead, search me. And they said you want to play it that way, huh. We're calling a female officer down here and they got on their walkie talkies. I was like what, I'll just show you.And they got all freaked out like hat are you doing and I said I got nothing in my balls I swear.
That really pissed them off and they were like, so you wanna be a crude little thing too. You're getting locked up today as soon as we find those drugs. Then I started crying and told them they had it all wrong that i didn't understand what they meant, that I'm a transsexual and I was only adjusting my clothes and coming from a thrift store. But my I did have a Sub on me, which is a drug like methadone for ex-opiate addicts, that i bought on the street. I snitched on the dealers which is a huge no-no. I don't care. I'm not going to jail. I'm a wimp. They only believed me after I showed my ID and even then they were iffy. I had to tell them a list of charges to verify that I knew who this person I claimed to be was. They thought I was a girl setting up this guy or something I guess, but they finally believed me cause I was cryig so much to not lock me up that I'll be raped. That the punishment wont fit the offense. They agreed.
They treated me with the utmost respect however. They asked me how I wanted to be referred to as: he or she. If I have a preferred name. All that. I was visibly still shaking cause of the prescription drug and the lead cop told me to calm down, relax, and have me a cigarette. wasn't even cuffed. He said, listen, we're checking you for warrants, as long as your okay, you are going to walk away, so calm down hun. They even let me keep the drugs. They said stay off the heroin and go see a doctor. You're getting ripped off by these scum bags and you don't look like you should be around here. Then, they let me go. True story. I call it female privilege, cause as a guy, I'm getting locked up.
After that, I started dressing full-time. But I was self-medding so my dose was whacked and I really wish I did it the right way. So don't be like me. I just couldn't wait anymore. I'm 30. So I am prolly the most hated poster on this board for my super duper long posts that no one prolly reads anymore. But that was actually a really good day. It was around three months, so I'd say at three months when you take in my body and my andro face, I looked way more female then male. After that, if I dressed as a man, I got made fun off. If I dressed as a woman, I got nothing or asked for my number.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on February 21, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
So I am prolly the most hated poster on this board for my super duper long posts that no one prolly reads anymore.
I read every word. Thank you for sharing your experience. :)
I really appreciate all of the replies to this thread!
I'm at three months as of today. Yay! :)
I'm nowhere near "looking more female than male," but I'm starting to get gender-hesitation and was included in (or at least not differentiated from) a "ladies" the other day. Progress, progress, progress!
I'm not on HRT yet, but it seems that the older I get, the more youthful and feminine I look, which doesn't really make much sense.
My masculine features were accentuated by my lack of hair and more body weight when I was 12. Now that I've grown my hair out enough to cover my eyebrows, it really feminized my face. Also, because I got taller, I did end up losing a lot of the weight. I'm still not at the weight I want to be that would be best for fat distribution when I start HRT, but I've started a diet+exercise program that I follow on weekdays during school and half-follow on weekends (light cardio without the machinery doesn't appeal to me when I'm home on the weekends, I'm not interested in joining a gym, and holy wow it's too cold out to walk around the neighborhood in these northern U.S. Winters). I'll probably start walking outside after dinner when Spring and Summer come around.
As for now, I'm currently on Winter break so I'm on a temporary hiatus from my diet+exercise plan. I've found that Coke Zero is a great substitute for other soft drinks in terms of dieting. It has as many calories as water.
I got so seriously off topic here haha. Point is, the things that have changed about me over time have somehow made me look more youthful and feminine even though I'm getting older. Note my avatar.
I dressed as a woman full-time and changed my legal name prior to HRT, so I guess self-perception wise it was fast, happening over 4 or 5 months.
All my life people have mistaken me for a girl / woman when I wore women's clothes and makeup. It was a problem as a boy but made it easier to transition. Now I don't wear makeup at all 90-something percent of the time and haven't gotten sir'd in years.
I can defiantly see after five months that I look more feminine. I don't know if I pass well or not. I think I look good in the mirror straight on. Only to be disappointed when I look at my profile with a second mirror. I am hoping a few more months and I will see enough of a change. I think it would help if I had more confidence in public.
I will also add. I think it's odd that I pass better with my wig, but have more confidence when I am not wearing it. I don't feel I pass well without it. I wish my real hair looked as good as my wig. :'(
My experience is probably going to be different than a lot of people's, because I didn't start growing my hair out until I actually started HRT, and it's been taking FOREVER to grow, so I've been a bit behind schedule since the very beginning. But here it is nonetheless:
With wig:
-got my first "she" about 5 months in.
-started passing to most people, thus basically having reached that crossover point that you spoke of, about 8 months in.
-pretty much passed to everyone, including many "you know you pass when" worthy moments, 10-11 months in.
Without wig:
-got my first "she" after 11.5 months. (About the time that my current avatar picture was taken.)
-started being gendered female in androgynous clothes pretty frequently, thus hitting that "crossover" point, at about 12.5 months.
-had my first official "male fail" at 13 months.
-currently at 13.5 months, in the stage where I'm passing most of the time, but still not to everyone. (I'm not full-time yet.)
Quote-got my first "she" after 11.5 months. (About the time that my current avatar picture was taken.)
You look wonderful. I cant see how your not fulltime Carrie. I consider myself fulltime but I don't feel like I pass fully yet.
After the 3 months mark my face started to change a lot...my chin and jawline got a completely different shape and my cheeks got a bit fuller. Now, after almost 5 months my face still can't pass (at least without make-up or longer hair), but my body is getting there much sooner than my face.
Today I was having a shower and I couldn't believe how feminine my body was looking. I am with women porportions already, but I the proportions of a chubby girl (I need to lose more weight although I am with a BMI of 23). If I was wearing woman's clothes then I think my body could pass already (at least until someone comes closer and talk to me ;D)
Quote from: Joanna Dark on February 21, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
By about two to two-and-a-half months dressed as a guy I started getting called she. It was shocking. By month three and a half, I was adjusting my belt and the police saw me, I live in a piss poor neighborhood, and thought I was stuffing drugs in my crotch, er, vagina. They stopped me and told me to give them the drugs they know and don't make it worse. I said go haead, search me. And they said you want to play it that way, huh. We're calling a female officer down here and they got on their walkie talkies. I was like what, I'll just show you.And they got all freaked out like hat are you doing and I said I got nothing in my balls I swear.
That really pissed them off and they were like, so you wanna be a crude little thing too. You're getting locked up today as soon as we find those drugs. Then I started crying and told them they had it all wrong that i didn't understand what they meant, that I'm a transsexual and I was only adjusting my clothes and coming from a thrift store. But my I did have a Sub on me, which is a drug like methadone for ex-opiate addicts, that i bought on the street. I snitched on the dealers which is a huge no-no. I don't care. I'm not going to jail. I'm a wimp. They only believed me after I showed my ID and even then they were iffy. I had to tell them a list of charges to verify that I knew who this person I claimed to be was. They thought I was a girl setting up this guy or something I guess, but they finally believed me cause I was cryig so much to not lock me up that I'll be raped. That the punishment wont fit the offense. They agreed.
They treated me with the utmost respect however. They asked me how I wanted to be referred to as: he or she. If I have a preferred name. All that. I was visibly still shaking cause of the prescription drug and the lead cop told me to calm down, relax, and have me a cigarette. wasn't even cuffed. He said, listen, we're checking you for warrants, as long as your okay, you are going to walk away, so calm down hun. They even let me keep the drugs. They said stay off the heroin and go see a doctor. You're getting ripped off by these scum bags and you don't look like you should be around here. Then, they let me go. True story. I call it female privilege, cause as a guy, I'm getting locked up.
After that, I started dressing full-time. But I was self-medding so my dose was whacked and I really wish I did it the right way. So don't be like me. I just couldn't wait anymore. I'm 30. So I am prolly the most hated poster on this board for my super duper long posts that no one prolly reads anymore. But that was actually a really good day. It was around three months, so I'd say at three months when you take in my body and my andro face, I looked way more female then male. After that, if I dressed as a man, I got made fun off. If I dressed as a woman, I got nothing or asked for my number.
dear Joanna I always love your posts you bring a very unique perspective to the discussion
Mirror image dismorphia sucks....I still see "him" in the mirror.
I should probably add, as far as the makeup aspect of the discussion - I was wearing it for about the first year, but lost patience. One of my goals was to get to the point where I could roll out of bed, brush my hair, put on jeans and a man's flannel shirt over a T-shirt (hey, it's freezing in New England right now!) and no makeup, and still be fine.
I think that took about a year, but I'm delighted that it happened. :) I have gone for hikes in that outfit plus a baseball cap with my hair tucked up and still never had a problem with being taken for male. That's really all I ask.
I'm a little over 2 month on HRT. (My current pict as of this post is over a month old, so I need to update it.) According to my wife, in the last week I've passed the threshold of looking more feminine than masculine without any makeup. Looking in the mirror, most of time now I see it, but sometimes I don't. One of my clients yesterday also mentioned it and I was in androgynous mode. I'm still not comfortable to use the women's room, but I'm also not comfortable using the men's anymore. Fortunately I've been mostly at places where a gender neutral restroom is available. Many restaurants in NYC will have several single room restroom with WC (like in Europe) on them and they are gender neutral.
It's hard for me to say, since my wardrobe/clothing style took a while to develop. I feel like this kind of held me back a little. But definitely just before I came out at work (around 9 months), one of our programmers pulled a few of us aside to show how much some girl in one of our demo videos looked like me.
Which was pretty funny...because the only other people he pulled over, I had already told I was transitioning.
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on February 22, 2014, 06:00:13 PM
I'm a little over 2 month on HRT. (My current pict as of this post is over a month old, so I need to update it.) According to my wife, in the last week I've passed the threshold of looking more feminine than masculine without any makeup.
Yeah, honestly your face looks super-neutral (and beautiful!) to me, a face that I wouldn't think of as male if you were presenting as female even in that picture of you. And we live in the same city! :)
While I am older and have been on low dose hrt for the last 12 months my face has changed slowly but surely. For those that don't know that I am TG they typically comment that I am looking younger and younger (which is a good thing) , my skin is softer and with the laser/electro I am now looking more androgyne. As I still present male I suspect that nobody would call my face feminine but it is changing, and definitely for the better.
Literally yesterday! Last night!
I was a bit upset about a few things I'd seen and read in the media and offloaded at my webcam and I stopped and thought wow, I don't look like a teary, upset, angry guy, I actually look more like a teary, upset, angry woman!
I'm kinda surprised that people at my work haven't male-failed me yet, it will happen one day I think, but they all think I'm just gay so maybe won't be so obvious.
Wait until my hair is long enough that I need to start putting it back and we'll see then :)
I am not quite there yet although I was Madame by security in Frankfurt airport last week which was nice and unexpected. I think if he looked closer that would not have happened as I was totally dressed male. At work I am still presenting in guy mode and what has happened which I find interesting and sort of fun is that when i travel to corporate or our other offices around the world that people literally do not recognize me as being in the room or in front of them till I talk. They do not say I look feminine just that i look allot different and younger and that I am a hippie now! Allot of these people I worked shoulder to shoulder with for years and it has been a few months since I saw them last. So not female yet just different so here is hoping.....
You girls that are there have passed a milestone so congratulations are in order!
It sounds like the 6-8 month mark is a tipping point for most.
Quote from: Erica_Y on February 23, 2014, 08:58:05 AM
I am not quite there yet although I was Madame by security in Frankfurt airport last week which was nice and unexpected. I think if he looked closer that would not have happened as I was totally dressed male. At work I am still presenting in guy mode and what has happened which I find interesting and sort of fun is that when i travel to corporate or our other offices around the world that people literally do not recognize me as being in the room or in front of them till I talk. They do not say I look feminine just that i look allot different and younger and that I am a hippie now! Allot of these people I worked shoulder to shoulder with for years and it has been a few months since I saw them last. So not female yet just different so here is hoping.....
You girls that are there have passed a milestone so congratulations are in order!
It sounds like the 6-8 month mark is a tipping point for most.
Yeah that happened to me in Berlin last year. I was dressed as a guy, looking very much a male imo, only for the woman to request me over and start patting me down, addressing me as miss. Things got real awkward because i hadn't shaved and her hand went real close to my groin area and brushed against it.
Quote from: mandonlym on February 22, 2014, 08:22:07 PM
Yeah, honestly your face looks super-neutral (and beautiful!) to me, a face that I wouldn't think of as male if you were presenting as female even in that picture of you. And we live in the same city! :)
Thank you <blushing>
I always struggled with looking male.. I have like that weird type of appearance that looks too femme to be a guy as a guy but oddly boyish as a girl and it never really changed. I call it modelesque, I have boyish features in a way that models do. But as a boy I passed maybe 30-95% of the time depending on the situation, as a girl I do always pass. Presentation was the deciding factor in always looking female.
I always pass as well.
I really don't understand what the big deal is.
People see me, and decide what it is I pass as. Whatever they decide, always gets a passing grade. Sometimes I pass as funny. Sometimes a jerk. Often enough a human. Once in a while an ass. Almost always male or female.
And yet I pass every single time.
Quote from: Tori on February 25, 2014, 05:25:57 AM
I always pass as well.
I really don't understand what the big deal is.
People see me, and decide what it is I pass as. Whatever they decide, always gets a passing grade. Sometimes I pass as funny. Sometimes a jerk. Often enough a human. Once in a while an ass. Almost always male of female.
And yet I pass every single time.
Right on Tori.
Quote from: Tori on February 25, 2014, 05:25:57 AM
People see me, and decide what it is I pass as. Whatever they decide, always gets a passing grade. Sometimes I pass as funny. Sometimes a jerk. Often enough a human. Once in a while an ass. Almost always male of female.
That's a great line. :D
When I noticed I look like this everyday ;)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg4%2FKR3259%2Fodds%2520n%2520ends%2FEFA6F110-B050-425D-969F-6EE5639566E7_zps9zyu1ebi.jpg&hash=e1001b30b96e84b49cec8a4a280395bac0474802)
Even after ten years, I still look mostly male, its a curse, I tell you.
a few months after HRT... I come out the shower, and when I glanced in the mirror, voila there was a femme steering back at me, and ... WOW ,,, she was hot... LOL
Quote from: JaimeD on February 27, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
Even after ten years, I still look mostly male, its a curse, I tell you.
This is a curse that many of us may suffer and even some genetic women suffer. How do you deal with it?
Quote from: JaimeD on February 27, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
Even after ten years, I still look mostly male, its a curse, I tell you.
:embarrassed:
Sorry to hear that. I know this is a stupid question, but have you tried different techniques with makeup? There are lots of things you can do to feminize your face without going under the knife.
You probably have, just wondering.
We are all beautiful in our own way.
Quote from: Lara the Lover and the Fighter on February 28, 2014, 07:03:12 AM
This is a curse that many of us may suffer and even some genetic women suffer. How do you deal with it?
By eating lots of cookies with milk. It doesn't make it go away, but I like cookies and milk a lot.
Quote from: JaimeD on February 28, 2014, 04:09:10 PM
By eating lots of cookies with milk. It doesn't make it go away, but I like cookies and milk a lot.
I guess with humor as well. Thats hilarious! I like cookies with milk too. XD
It's really hard for me to not see a man in the mirror. My psychologist told me it's normal because we have seen ourselves as male our whole lives. Maybe with ffs I can see myself as a a woman.
Its an interesting question;
I am an older TS, in later years, but because of the HRT treatment over the years (I started 30 years ago , then had a break and de-transitioned at age 32), most people guess my age as late 40s (ie about 14 years younger than what I am).
I am now 14 months on Oestrogen only and when dressed as a woman, I rarely if ever get "read". If I do its by young pre-teen girls as I did in Bournemouth in England with a TS friend last month when I was in Debenhams, looking for a new Bra!. Although I think they were not sure as they stopped looked, giggled and went on with Mum, lookimg at dresses!
Luckily I have no Adams apple, very small hands, small feet and I generally make sure my nails and toenails are perfectly manicured and I dress reasonably conservatively but always with a dress or skirt (pants or trousers/jeans are too much of a giveaway, although now that my bottom is more rounded and I have added 4" to my hips, a skinny pair of jeans is workable).
Also since I did the Colour coordination course for selecting the best clothes for my complexion and had my eyebrows professionally shaped (with a nice feminine curve) and always have my eyelashes tinted (Blue black) together with as near perfect makeup as possible. )I have had laser and electrolysis, but more to go), I generally pass as female 99% of the time and people always refer to me as Miss, Mam, Madam etc
In boy mode (for work), most people see me as a chubby, overweight, older guy (Unfortunately MPB got me early on), but my boobs these days are 44B+ so I have to wear baggy clothes as male as otherwise my boobs are too obvious as my nipples are quite obvious. So no jogging or running for a tram with just a tea shirt on in summer without a bra one. Mind you I wear one these days mostly continuously as my breasts are rapidly heading to C Cup.
Seems kinda random to be honest. At close to the four month mark or so, some see me as more female even in male clothes (male is the hardest for people to cope with and they seem to handle it awkwardly), most as female in female clothes (relatively new at part time but the several times Ive gone out now it seemed like I was a totally innocuous female), but the fun part is androgyne. 60% or so will be totally sure Im a guy, rest assume girl and so far no one has called me out on not presenting enough clues, they kinda tend to jump to a choice and don't seem confused about it. I will say though, those that still gender me male do treat me noticeably different (typically in a good way) than before. As for how I view myself, if I look out of the corner of my eye, or do other tricks so I can see a little more objectively, I definitely see female, when I look I focus on all the male markers on my face and see slightly masculine but overall somewhere between the two.
I felt that I looked more female after I started feeling more comfortable with my true self. Coincidentally that was also after two months on HRT and I have noticed some aesthetic improvements with HRT combined with my new diet during these past two months as well.
I'm on 8 months and I kind of get the feeling people that have known me for a long time , but don't explicitly know I'm transgender look at me kind of differently , but smile.
Somewhere around 9-10 months. I got the first official male fail (one of those restroom incidents when You bump into some random dude and he startles at the very sight of You) at about 9 months. Now, it is quite random. At times, I get gendered as a "daddy" despite hanging around with my kiddo, while being dressed fem-andro. And the next day, I get "mommy-ed" while being in casual male stuff (skinny jeans, large size shirt). I am somewhere in between at the moment, cause recently I catch a lot of stares with peripheral vision - not that I really care, but sometimes it does get annoying.
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on June 02, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
Somewhere around 9-10 months. I got the first official male fail (one of those restroom incidents when You bump into some random dude and he startles at the very sight of You) at about 9 months. Now, it is quite random. At times, I get gendered as a "daddy" despite hanging around with my kiddo, while being dressed fem-andro. And the next day, I get "mommy-ed" while being in casual male stuff (skinny jeans, large size shirt). I am somewhere in between at the moment, cause recently I catch a lot of stares with peripheral vision - not that I really care, but sometimes it does get annoying.
what annoying to me is when someone seems to emphasize the sir when addressing you.
Quote from: stephaniec on June 02, 2014, 02:33:16 PM
what annoying to me is when someone seems to emphasize the sir when addressing you.
Yes, such emphasis for sure would not feel nice. Guess, I am lucky, cause here where I live, language is quite gender neutral and people pretty much dont get "sir-ed" or "miss/madam-ed" at all.
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on June 02, 2014, 02:36:47 PM
Yes, such emphasis for sure would not feel nice. Guess, I am lucky, cause here where I live, language is quite gender neutral and people pretty much dont get "sir-ed" or "miss/madam-ed" at all.
so like they say " hey dog what's up"
Quote from: stephaniec on June 02, 2014, 02:41:22 PM
so like they say " hey dog what's up"
Kinda that, except the "dog" part is omitted :).
for me, in my self-perception, i took almost 1 year in HRT when i first saw myself as the woman in the mirror who i´m.
actually it was a really long journey so far but there´s still alot coming in the nearer future.
others gave me the feedback of passing quite well as female when i was almost 3-5 month in hrt, but i still had
a very androgynious expression before starting ... :laugh:
After complete FFS.... ;D
I hit 8 months hrt today. Am not full time yet. Still never had a male fail. Day to day I am very androgynous but still on the male side of the line.
I just had my first real male fail moment yesterday. Dress shirt and vest got called "miss" and asked if I needed help carrying out the groceries. It was pretty awesome. Now I had gotten that from behind with long hair and being 5'4" tall but after I would talk or face them they would "correct" themselves
Now I still don't see female when I look at myself. But my vision of myself is flawed. I just trust others word on it.
I started spironolactone at 17 and Estrogen right after my 18th birthday. Incredible depression hit me when after 2 months, people KNEW I was male. No questions about it. After...6 months, I got my first "have fun shopping, girls" while I was out with my mom at a clothing store presenting male. And it snowballed from there! Hair getting longer helps so much. Really. The point that I could no longer pass as male at all pretty much no matter what? That was after about 11-16 months.
I wish I had the BALLS to find out!!
I should be able too but don't want to even try. Though I have looked awfully drab at times and no one gives me a second look.
My main reason I feel I could is because I was gendered female almost exclusively 8 months before I even came out to anyone. I was presenting male and a pretty raggedly looking one at that. I was on HRT and did have my hair in pony tail but was dressed mainly male, had no lazer done yet and no visible boobage. It was an awkward time....I may have seen 5-10 people throughout the day and be gendered unquestionably female...but the minute I went to work or seen someone I knew well I was him!! Though about six months before I came out I did a couple of jobs that I found out after being hired as him (very male name) I was actually hired as a female. One of the main reasons for going full time.
I also ran into many past friends and acquaintances that never acknowledged they knew me. This was soon learned and avoided when I would attempt to say hi to someone and they would only acknowledge me as a stranger.
I just can't imagine how some of these people thought I was a women...and boy I sure must have looked pretty shabby as one. This was also a hard thing to accept, I didn't want (or couldn't chance)being gendered female and since I never knew I would be I couldn't up up the femininity.
I cant be a very good judge of that. I look in the mirror and see more girl than guy, but i walk out in public and the reactions i get suggest otherwise. So to be honest ~ no idea. Luckily for me, I've got a long way to go still. I honestly can't see what people see in or on me that is "male"... aside from having maybe broader than average shoulders... it doesn't feel like enough to be clocked as male. If only there was some kind of device :icon_suspicious:
Around 8 months. Being gendered female more than male despite being out as a guy 95% of the time just lured me into being female instead.
When most of the population saw that I was...heck, I don't remember when. I can't keep track of the days, too many. But I can say I look more female today than I did a couple years ago, and I was passable then, as I was several years before that.
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on June 04, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
I cant be a very good judge of that. I look in the mirror and see more girl than guy, but i walk out in public and the reactions i get suggest otherwise. So to be honest ~ no idea. Luckily for me, I've got a long way to go still. I honestly can't see what people see in or on me that is "male"... aside from having maybe broader than average shoulders... it doesn't feel like enough to be clocked as male. If only there was some kind of device :icon_suspicious:
I think maybe just more time, the longer you're on the hormones eventually they'll all see what you see, but without such a critical eye, just another woman passing by.