It's been suggested a better term that might be more acceptable term to incorporate into self identification would be BSBDS woman it would cause a lot less friction . I totally agree. I could see myself as a BSBDS woman.
What does that stand for?
brain sex/body discrepancy syndrome
I don't know, I have a feeling if I said that to someone where I live, their first question would be:
"What does that mean?"
When giving them what the acronym stood for, their second question would be:
"What does that mean?"
And in explaining it, their third question would be:
"So Transgender then. Why not just say that?"
well because nobody wants to refer to themselves as transgender.
Quote from: stephaniec on March 02, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
well because nobody wants to refer to themselves as transgender.
It's how I refer to myself.
Meh...it is what it is. I don't really care.
Although if I want to shorten it, I just say 'me'.
No, because the concept of 'brain sex' is a pile of misogynistic horse manure.
Cis and trans are neutral descriptors that have already been used in other contexts for a very long time. The reason 'transgender' is a discomforting word is because of systemic transphobia, which a term like this ('brain sex', oh my ****ing god...) won't help to solve.
Nope society needs to get over themselves. We live as male or female. Go to work as male or female. Pay taxes as male or female. Love our children as male or female.
Society needs to stop thinking gender is only whats between the legs.
I so hate labels. Why do we want or wish to keep wanting to add labels. We are humans PERIOD.
I am a human.
Isabell
If I don't know what it means and no one else does I personally won't use it
OK, so not only another label, it's one that returns to pathologising trans people.. No thanks, I'll stick with calling myself a woman..
Quote from: Cassandra Hyacinth on March 02, 2014, 09:01:39 PM
No, because the concept of 'brain sex' is a pile of misogynistic horse manure.
Cis and trans are neutral descriptors that have already been used in other contexts for a very long time. The reason 'transgender' is a discomforting word is because of systemic transphobia, which a term like this ('brain sex', oh my ****ing god...) won't help to solve.
Apart from the studies that show there is a physical difference between male and female brains.. And the studies that show trans people have brains that more closely resemble those of their preferred gender.
why is it called transexual at all? it has nothing to do with sexuality. ._____.
i prefer bigendered or nongender. or maybe i can refer to my "brain gender" and tell people my brain is female and my body is male at least until i get surgery, then all of me will be female... although i seem to have forgotten about my genetic gender.
WHATEVER!
im of the Brain Female Gender. im BFG.
...wait...
Quote from: stephaniec on March 02, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
well because nobody wants to refer to themselves as transgender.
No I actually dont mind...
I just completed my degree with honours 1st class and Kelly_Aus is most assuredly correct. The male brain fires different hemispheres compared to a female brain when put in similar conditions. Indeed, the wiring of the brain is extremely different from each gender. Keep in mind I have not stated anything about intellect, because that is not what this is about, it is rather about the structure.
In terms of the structure of transgender persons she is also correct as several peer review articles and current studies have recently been looking at this topic. In fact my professor joked that my brain fires on empathy overload and is wired more within the parameters off women. Which we all conducted during a test performed at a certain Adelaide University. He has no clue I am a non-diagnosed transgender. So it made me grin when he said it.
Personally, I lose patience with groups that are constantly changing what they want you to call them.
I totally got why in the early 70s, people of color insisted upon being called "black" instead of some of the other names which had developed ugly connotations. But a decade later, they now wanted people to stop calling them black and start calling them African-American. Now it's "people of color". I have no problem with calling people what they want to be called, but I'm beginning to feel like a trained circus poodle.
I would prefer people not look on LGBT or trans people that way. Neither trans nor LGBT are used in a derogatory way. Can't we live with them rather than annoying the rest of the world by trying to control their speech?
Quote from: suzifrommd on March 03, 2014, 08:07:57 AM
Personally, I lose patience with groups that are constantly changing what they want you to call them.
I totally got why in the early 70s, people of color insisted upon being called "black" instead of some of the other names which had developed ugly connotations. But a decade later, they now wanted people to stop calling them black and start calling them African-American. Now it's "people of color". I have no problem with calling people what they want to be called, but I'm beginning to feel like a trained circus poodle.
I would prefer people not look on LGBT or trans people that way. Neither trans nor LGBT are used in a derogatory way. Can't we live with them rather than annoying the rest of the world by trying to control their speech?
'People of colour' is not synonymous with Black - it's an inclusive term for every race that isn't white. Black people are only a small proportion of all people of colour.
Quote from: kelly_aus on March 03, 2014, 01:13:59 AM
OK, so not only another label, it's one that returns to pathologising trans people.. No thanks, I'll stick with calling myself a woman..
Apart from the studies that show there is a physical difference between male and female brains.. And the studies that show trans people have brains that more closely resemble those of their preferred gender.
Every study I've seen on the topic thus far has had tiny sample sizes, and various other flaws with their testing methods. There simply isn't any reasonable evidence for the idea - in fact, it reminds me (disturbingly enough) of the debunked 'sexual inversion' theory.
It just seems like another excuse for the medical establishment to continue its belief that it can judge who has dysphoria and who doesn't better than the person themselves...
Quote from: suzifrommd on March 03, 2014, 08:07:57 AM
Personally, I lose patience with groups that are constantly changing what they want you to call them.
I totally got why in the early 70s, people of color insisted upon being called "black" instead of some of the other names which had developed ugly connotations. But a decade later, they now wanted people to stop calling them black and start calling them African-American. Now it's "people of color". I have no problem with calling people what they want to be called, but I'm beginning to feel like a trained circus poodle.
I would prefer people not look on LGBT or trans people that way. Neither trans nor LGBT are used in a derogatory way. Can't we live with them rather than annoying the rest of the world by trying to control their speech?
I always called my (soon to be ex)wife black and she always called me white. People of color is 5 syllables, which is too much. This is why Trans is such a better word IMO than most other words because it is also one syllable. Sure it isn't terribly descriptive (though neither is black or white) but it is much more expedient. I am generally for one syllable words where possible and not derogatory.
"Nobody" does? I think a lot of people call themselves "transgender," but count me as one vote for calling myself that at least. :)
Frankly, as someone who considers her gender identity to have shifted over time... I'm always afraid that if someone does invent a medical "test" for being trans, I'd fail it. Seriously. I just had an MRI recently and was afraid they'd say I had a male brain! (Turns out what they were looking for wasn't that specific, or else nobody said.) I've also seen the brain studies go back and forth so often - and I used to work as a medical reference librarian, so I'm also qualified to say that some of those studies weren't very good - that I'd be scared to death to pin proof of my or anyone's transness on them. I transitioned and am 1000% happier. That's all the proof *I* need, but imagine if the tests had said I don't qualify as truly trans* and forced me to continue living as a man?
Anyway, yeah, personally I prefer "transgender" to an acronym that a) most people won't recognize and b) validates a line of medical inquiry that terrifies me. Sorry.
I use weird to explain myself more often than not and that is only if I have to. Usually I simply don't offer any explanation or adjective as its not really anyone's business. Just as I don't feel a need to tell anyone I am a woman, they just happen to see things my way usually.
Call me old fashion but I think male or female can explain everything, for the most part (I'm aware not everyone fits into a binary category). I'll accept the title transwoman for myself, but I don't feel the need to make that my main identity. Only people that need to know should be aware and once I'm full time it's going to be a minimal aspect of my life (hopefully).
I've read the explanation for BSBDS twice now and I still can't remember what that stands for, lol.
That word is just something I wont use and the public wont understand it either.
Ultimately, for good or ill, you have to use words that mean things.
Uhhhhhhh... no. Just... no. If you want to go 'round the world to say that you're not trans or TS or transgender, whatever makes you feel better but really, that's just mincing words. You wanna live as a woman and physically alter your anatomy via HRT and/or surgery? Your're the 'T' in LGBT and there's no real point in trying to make yourself something 'other' just because you have issues inside yourself that sees trans as something distasteful.
or:
How I learned to stop worrying and love myself, regardless of what I am.
Well, I don't mind using "transgender" or even "transexual" for now, while I am on the middle of my transition. After I start living full time, then I will want to be called "woman". Just that, becuase that is what I am and I don't need people to know about my past (why anyone would?). If I need to tell and specify exactly, then I will call myself a transgender woman.
Things must be easy, or people would have to start asking for a glass of dihydrogen monoxide instead of water. It's all the same thing! ;)
Quote from: Natalia on March 03, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Well, I don't mind using "transgender" or even "transexual" for now, while I am on the middle of my transition. After I start living full time, then I will want to be called "woman". Just that, becuase that is what I am and I don't need people to know about my past (why anyone would?). If I need to tell and specify exactly, then I will call myself a transgender woman.
Things must be easy, or people would have to start asking for a glass of dihydrogen monoxide instead of water. It's all the same thing! ;)
I think I like dihydrogen monoxide better
Transwoman, transgender, transsexual for me. Not BSBDS. I can't get any self esteem out of that, but I certainly can by identifying as Trans. The other thing sounds like I was some kind of birth defect. Which I am not.
I don't like it personally. For me, Transgender works for public understanding and privacy, even while stealth, transwoman works here or when I am totally in transition moments, and mtf preop transexual works medically for me.
BSBDS sounds like I want someone to tie me up or something.
No disrespect intended. Just how I feel about it all.
I dislike every term for us even our official one transsexual. Why couldn't they come up with a nice word.
Quote from: Sarah leah on March 03, 2014, 04:29:04 AM
I just completed my degree with honours 1st class and Kelly_Aus is most assuredly correct. The male brain fires different hemispheres compared to a female brain when put in similar conditions. Indeed, the wiring of the brain is extremely different from each gender. Keep in mind I have not stated anything about intellect, because that is not what this is about, it is rather about the structure.
In terms of the structure of transgender persons she is also correct as several peer review articles and current studies have recently been looking at this topic. In fact my professor joked that my brain fires on empathy overload and is wired more within the parameters off women. Which we all conducted during a test performed at a certain Adelaide University. He has no clue I am a non-diagnosed transgender. So it made me grin when he said it.
I had an MRI several years ago and the doctor, who didn't know at the time that I was trans, told me that I have a female brain in both size and symmetry. Women's brains are generally a little smaller and unlike men, ours are symmetrical, each hemisphere mirrors the other. I never get asked and I never volunteer any information that I'm trans, but when I had to it was usually 'trans' or 'transsexual'. I don't need to tell anyone I'm a woman, either. It's pretty obvious I'm female. But I'd never use BSBDS under any circumstances. We have enough labels, and trans, transgender or transsexual are accurate enough for me. Woman, female or even girl sound much better to me, though.
Quote from: anais on March 06, 2014, 02:33:24 PM
I dislike every term for us even our official one transsexual. Why couldn't they come up with a nice word.
How about "Beautiful"?
:)
Quote from: Miranda Catherine on March 06, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
I had an MRI several years ago and the doctor, who didn't know at the time that I was trans, told me that I have a female brain in both size and symmetry. Women's brains are generally a little smaller and unlike men, ours are symmetrical, each hemisphere mirrors the other. I never get asked and I never volunteer any information that I'm trans, but when I had to it was usually 'trans' or 'transsexual'. I don't need to tell anyone I'm a woman, either. It's pretty obvious I'm female. But I'd never use BSBDS under any circumstances. We have enough labels, and trans, transgender or transsexual are accurate enough for me. Woman, female or even girl sound much better to me, though.
I don't really care about telling doctors that I am trans. I'm not ashamed of it, it's just part of who I am. Most of them don't even care. The only time I had an issue (or they had one with me) was when I went in to have my tonsils removed, this older nurse asked me when I had my last period. I started laughing and said "well, I'm trans so that doesn't apply to me." (I had only slept a couple of hours the night before so the sleep deprivation was making me a tad goofier than usual). She walked out of the room without saying a word and sent in a younger nurse that actually had a trans-sister. I didn't get offended about the other one walking out on me, I just wanted the friggin tonsils out.