So I know that HRT will cause your pelvis to rotate forward. I'm wondering does this happen to the full extent of a cis female, if not is it possible to achieve the full tilt of a cis female with muscle training and HRT?
I think it is more about posture, than hormones... I, personally, intentionally tilted mine for the whole transition and I am pretty sure it wouldn't do it on its own, with no efforts at all. In general, the whole posture, walking and gestures of women are different and there are links between any of these components - You cannot walk like a woman if your pelvis is in typical male position, nor your spine will be arched in feminine way, which leads to your elbows pointing outwards and therefore wider shoulders, smaller breasts and so on...
Every part of these should be learnt and practiced a lot, before it stays natural and this is the key. You cannot rely just on hormones...
It happened pretty naturally for me, but I'd say it was only *indirectly* the result of hormones - bigger butt + bigger bust = pelvis tilted to compensate. It honestly feels like my center of gravity shifted considerably, and my back definitely curves more now than it did pre-HRT. (Add bigger thighs and hips and I have that swaying-butt walk, too, without really trying. I used to be able to walk/run better!)
I don't know if that happens at all, if anything it mught just be fat moving from your trunk.
Quote from: sad panda on March 17, 2014, 04:30:31 PM
if anything it mught just be fat moving from your trunk.
This.
It has only been said about a million times on this forum but if you start HRT post puberty your bones will not change.
Of course, posture matters, every individual is different, later puberty, etc, etc.
Yeah, but the question was about the pelvis shifting *position,* not shape. I totally believe it's possible for posture to change and the pelvis to be carried differently, even if the underlying bones haven't changed at all.
My legs stinking hurt from walking like a woman all day yesterday.
Quote from: Tori on March 17, 2014, 08:24:46 PM
My legs stinking hurt from walking like a woman all day yesterday.
I can relate to this, especially after wearing tall heels.
I noticed when I was somewhere in guy mode the other day that I was swishing my butt when I walked and it was NOT a conscious behavior - WHEN the heck did that happen, and how long have I been doing it? I wonder if it has anything to do with pelvis positioning? Is it related to HRT somehow? It kind of weirded me out for awhile.
Nothing in HRT will alter the resting position of the pelvis, as that's determined by the socket of the hip and the ways that the ligaments line up.
That said, the smaller muscles will loosen up the tension on the pelvic tilt so, if you're out of shape, it'll tilt backward a lot easier. This isn't a good thing for your back so, if you want to remain healthy, you have to do crunches which pulls your butt back under your shoulders and less sticking out like a bumper on a car.
In general, nothing related to the overall alignment of your joints or major body parts will change with HRT. These are set in the skeleton once the cartilaginous portions calcify in your late 20s and nothing short of surgery or osteoporosis will change them after that timeframe. I know there's a good bit of confusion on issues like these, peeps, but I'ma gonna have to call bunk on any changes to the hard skeleton. You've got what you've got.
The shape that you're referring to in regards to the cis woman's pelvic tilt is caused by the location of the hip socket on a pelvis with a widened illiac crest. Some girls get a little of this but, really, if you're starting HRT after puberty proper, it's unlikely that anything will change here unless the body is a bit out of shape.
Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, ladies.
I can't wait for pelvis reshaping nanobots.
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on March 17, 2014, 11:47:58 PM
once the cartilaginous portions calcify in your late 20s
I've posted this another threads but mine did in fact widen and the pelvis did shift even more forward..however I started hrt at 21. So I'm guessing I caught myself at just the right time before the bones set. I've heard similar things from others about your bones setting in your late 20s so I'm guessing its true. Since I'm living proof that it can still happen in your early 20s tho still. Very uncommon but still possible. I know its not all fat either because this happened at 4 months in..I had yet gained the weight I have now. Plus I always had wide hips prehrt so that definitely had a part in it too..
I'm 20 years old and I started HRT about 2.5 months ago and 1 month in, I noticed pain constantly in my lower back and such and when I did my 1 month HRT update, I did note that my posture had changed. This isn't placebo because I didn't even know my hips or whatever can change but now that you mention it, it totally did for me and probably still is. This evening, I had on a pencil skirt and noticed wider hip area (that could just be fat?) but yes, my pelvis is pushed forward more and my arch in my back is deeper, butt more prominent, and back more curvy
Not to completely disagree with anyone, bone structure maintenance is a continuous and dynamic process of bone removal and replacement. While it is well know that the part of the bones responsible for elongation/growth (epiphyseal growth plates) undergo epiphyseal closure (ie. they calcify and harden with age, especially during late puberty), it has also been shown that the cis-female pelvis does change and widen, over time. I would not discount the possibility of pelvis shape changes, especially to those who have a large number of receptors for estrogen, although the anecdotal evidence clearly suggests that changes will not be as dramatic for those undergoing late HRT late, as for those undergoing early HRT. As for pelvic tilt, I've read self reported claims that changes occurred relating to the tendons, which overall contributed to increased pelvic tilt. If anyone requests from me a copy of a study results on cis-pelvic changes over time, I'll try to provide a reference.
Quote from: Aquarelle on March 17, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
I think it is more about posture, than hormones... I, personally, intentionally tilted mine for the whole transition and I am pretty sure it wouldn't do it on its own, with no efforts at all. In general, the whole posture, walking and gestures of women are different and there are links between any of these components - You cannot walk like a woman if your pelvis is in typical male position, nor your spine will be arched in feminine way, which leads to your elbows pointing outwards and therefore wider shoulders, smaller breasts and so on...
Every part of these should be learnt and practiced a lot, before it stays natural and this is the key. You cannot rely just on hormones...
As if I have time to do these...
I can't wait for pelvis reshaping nanobots.
I think the proper term is "pelvis reshaping nano-booties."
Quote from: Suziack on March 25, 2014, 06:28:15 PM
I can't wait for pelvis reshaping nanobots.
I think the proper term is "pelvis reshaping nano-booties."
where can you get these
Haha yes! I think we are on the same page ;)