Strange question, i know... But... i dont know. I just feel the need to see if i can spot any... maybe to make sure i'm not the only one in my town ???
Am i odd? :-\
I don't do it, but that is no reflection on you.
I think it probable that other TS folks in my area who have seen me in public, have spotted me fairly easily.
It's hard to tell, but hardly of any concern. :)
I don't really notice. I just don't care. A few months ago there was a MtF in line in front of me at the post office. I didn't notice, but my wife did. Other than that, I have only seen a few transgendered people out and about, and those were people who appeared to not really be trying to pass. One had a beard and insanely large breastforms and the other was dressed like a teenage girl on her way to a party.
I guess I just don't care. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I am unfriendly, I just am not looking at other people that much, except in the most casual way.
Love always,
Elizabeth
Quote from: wishy on July 17, 2007, 03:22:06 AM
Am i odd? :-\
He heee....what an opportunity! Wishy, I would never ask anyone if they thought I was odd LOL. "Hell NO BEV! You're not odd....you're over the edge, girl! (usually followed by "or whatever", by the ignorant among us).
Yes, it's not exactly an obsession, but both of us, Marcy and I always look for other transsexuals. We also try to spot lesbians, or lesbian couples.
I think people find comfort in seeing "family" here and there. Like a security blanket 'you are not alone' thing.
Yep! I look around all the time.
Odd Bev
I've always been a people watcher, but lately I find myself looking much more closely at people, observing them very carefully, men especially. Part of this for me is simply wanting to learn from their behavior, mannerisms, dress, etc., and always comparing it to my own. Yes, I do keep a lookout for trans people, and occasionally I see someone I'm pretty sure is or might be. Or people who make me wonder.
I've always been a people watcher also, and know two FTMs. I do keep my eyes open, I think we have had one or two MTFs in the restaurant. One I was sure of. I don't say anything but I find it nice to see. But that's only one small segment of the fascinating human drama that is going on around.
i dont go out of my way to look, some folk might perk my ->-bleeped-<-dar, but its rare. and if i spot an obvious trans person, or interact with them at work, im curteous, and treat them as they are presenting. Its only fair, mind, they rarely clock me back >.>
I don't try and look, I just see them and know they are trans. I worked in our community for transgender inclusive laws and I have met quite a few trans people who live in and around our city. I don't stare or do I mention it to anyone, I just notice who they are. Most of them know me and look at me. I hope that I present in a positive way for them. We have quite a few trans people in our city, surprising. When I have gone to pride events in the past, I don't go anymore, I will run into someone I know. I do look, but I feel very proud when I see a guy or girl out and about. I try to notice how the people around them react. I will say that most of the time, people don't give them a second look, unless they are at the mall on a Sunday afternoon and dressed like someone else said, going to a teen party and they are over 40 and over weight.
Sheila
sometimes our ->-bleeped-<-dar is overactive, and we read natal females... we want to see trans folk...
Quote from: wishy on July 17, 2007, 03:22:06 AM
Strange question, i know... But... i dont know. I just feel the need to see if i can spot any... maybe to make sure i'm not the only one in my town ???
Am i odd? :-\
I do look for Trans people when I'm out and about. I check women to see if they were men and I check men to see if they were women. I do it so that I won't feel so isolated. I certainly haven't screamed out anything when I've seen the one or two that I think I've seen.
Yes. You
are odd.
I think I've seen very few. I almost stop dead in my tracks, at least in my mind I do. I think, not only do they have the courage I don't, they have the mindset to say F the world, but also, why do I not have the same courage? It makes me think. It gives me willpower.
I live in Toronto and I see alot of transsexuals when I am out and about. I've always been a people watcher though. I used to like to looking at women because i want to be like them. Now, I look at women and i compare the differences between the way men and women look and compare myself to other women to see if i look *woman* enough.
Quote from: wishy on July 17, 2007, 03:22:06 AM
Strange question, i know... But... i dont know. I just feel the need to see if i can spot any... maybe to make sure i'm not the only one in my town ???
Am i odd? :-\
I don't go out looking for them but sometimes they stand out and look awkward and noticable..
Cant really tell.
Everyone passes here in a Hijab or Abaya and Shaylla.
Being dressed head to foot in Black is a good way of blending in.
Buffy
Middle East Branch of Susans.
No although I have run into a few here and there, some were from the group I used to attend.
i saw a pretty girl in the store the other day, i swore she was trans, but i was probably wrong. if she was, she was beyond stealth so i didnt look too close as not to draw attention.
Quote from: Rachael on July 18, 2007, 08:03:18 AM
i saw a pretty girl in the store the other day, i swore she was trans, but i was probably wrong. if she was, she was beyond stealth so i didnt look too close as not to draw attention.
Sometimes you can see women with exceptional male features and I think 'yea' 'you've been spotted'.....then I've found out it's a genetic female..
It has also worked the other way round and I've seen an exceptional feminine female both bodily and facially and later found out she was a TS. I couldn't believe it and my eyes refused to believe it too.....
i dont notify them that i've rumbled them... that would be rude.
But i like to make sure i'm not the only one in my town. A part of me wants to run up to them and wave at them and tell them i'm a friend... but thats just me, i'm an idiot. But i dont... cos then that would blow my cover of being an idiot. :laugh:
I found this topic strange to come upon as I today think I saw a FTM TG however around here you can never be sure if they are TG or just butch.... with MTF I find it much harder to tell don't ask me why.
In DC there are so few, that there is a good chance we already know each other.
The DC metro areas trans population is tiny, 1400, and its the 4th largest metro area in the country. Compare that to San Frans 14,000 + and the huge trans populations in NYC, Chicago and LA. Its not like the area is not trans friendly and doesn't have good trans services, its just that there are not that many trans people out here.
I live in a rural area, so there aren't very many of us around here. I'm not actively looking, but have occasionally seen someone who might've been. I didn't go up and ask them though ;) so I don't know for sure.
zythyra
Wishy i do it all t time, i cant help it. Ive never met or spoke to another ts person.
Quote from: zythyra on July 20, 2007, 12:18:09 PM
I live in a rural area, so there aren't very many of us around here. I'm not actively looking, but have occasionally seen someone who might've been. I didn't go up and ask them though ;) so I don't know for sure.
zythyra
It's probably not a good idea to go up and ask them. With most transsexuals, I can tell that they don't want any attention in public. Don't ask, don't tell. ;D
if a trans person deliberately outed me in public, or said are you ts? id probably do something unmentionable with a bottle of tobasco sauce, and some pomegrannate...
I was in San Francisco couple weeks ago, through the Tenderloin on business, and the place was crawling with T's. Several per block there for a minute. The sidewise smile, each to the other.
Practically no one else took notice (outside of the pimps and ->-bleeped-<-s of course...) of us.
T'were amusing.
Yes, Wishy, I look too. I see them fairly frequently here in Dallas...well, at least I THINK they are. And, like Jaston, I have trouble sometimes telling the FTM from the Butch.
Quote from: wishy on July 20, 2007, 10:46:12 AM
cos then that would blow my cover of being an idiot. :laugh:
All I have to do is open my mouth and my cover is blown. All the world knows I am a few enchiladas short of a full combo plate.
....Laurry
I really disliked tenderloin when I lived in SFO, its like its own little world people don't seem to walk out of (its not very big at all). The criminality there is much higher than anywhere else in the city; rents are also much cheaper (but that's only because elsewhere the rent is insane, there its still expensive)
In North Beach, Telegraph Hill, Financial District, Russian Hill, Union Square, Nob Hill, Fisherman's Warf and and SOMA, I didn't see many, if at all.
I lived on Telegraph Hill, next to north beach and even if the red light district was right down the hill on Broadway, I don't recall seeing TS's there; maybe I was blind!
You've all inspired me to take a camera and a net and go out and find some Ts in my area. I'll let you know what I find, if I survive ;D
I did hear once that transpeople do not really exist. Those who believe in transpeople are more likely to spot a leprechaun or the easter bunny. ???
If I do catch one, I'll be rich because people will line up for a view. :o
I live in a very gay-friendly part of Seattle, so spotting TS people out and about is kinda common. :)
Quote from: nathan on July 20, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
I live in a very gay-friendly part of Seattle, so spotting TS people out and about is kinda common. :)
Thanks for the tip. I'm catching the first flight. 8)
Quote from: Rebis on July 20, 2007, 08:05:44 PM
Thanks for the tip. I'm catching the first flight. 8)
Head to Capitol Hill. We're all sorts of crazy up here. :D
Quote from: nathan on July 20, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
I live in a very gay-friendly part of Seattle, so spotting TS people out and about is kinda common. :)
So why not play spot the straight or non-TS person instead?
Buffy
Quote from: Buffy on July 20, 2007, 10:39:36 PM
So why not play spot the straight or non-TS person instead?
Buffy
"OMG Look how fat and poorly dressed they are!" *giggle*
Posted on: July 20, 2007, 11:05:09 PM
Ugh... Am I being mean or stereotypical? I've had a bad case of foot-in-mouth this week and by no means do I wish to spread it here. :(
what the point in spotting trans folks?
heck, i had some woman on the bus yesterday who looked like a m2f winking at me and grinning, it was disconcerting, annoying and scary...
(i was in androgenous mode so she probably thought i was a crap f2m ><
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 07:14:20 AM
what the point in spotting trans folks?
heck, i had some woman on the bus yesterday who looked like a m2f winking at me and grinning, it was disconcerting, annoying and scary...
(i was in androgenous mode so she probably thought i was a crap f2m ><
I think the point is knowing we are not alone in our localities.
Also, it gave me a good feeling seeing all those trans people when I was going into boston. It helped me to understand there is nothing wrong with me (except for that which is probably obvious to many of you).
im fairly happy being alone... only, wait im not, 50% of my locality have my own gender in... so whats the issue? looking out for trans folk only reminds you of your past... why bother?
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 03:27:17 PM
im fairly happy being alone... only, wait im not, 50% of my locality have my own gender in... so whats the issue? looking out for trans folk only reminds you of your past... why bother?
Not my past. It's like we are talking of hunting them down like dracula or something. It's just that sometimes, out of curiosity, we like to see whether there
are others and
how do they appear to be coming along.
I mean, I'm sure that women eyeball each other now and then and it's possible that men look at other men and quietly think "I wish I had his hair", or "Look at that chest. He makes me look like nothing." What's wrong with trans people doing it? Do we not need role models or points of comparison in who we are?
if you identify as a trans person, and wish to compete with other trans people, fine
i choose to call women my peers,and compare with them...
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 03:34:50 PM
if you identify as a trans person, and wish to compete with other trans people, fine
i choose to call women my peers,and compare with them...
That's groovy too. Everyone is different and there is no right or wrong.
actually, there is... how can we live in a world with no right or wrong without it implodeing? nice sentiment, but impractical as hell.
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
actually, there is... how can we live in a world with no right or wrong without it implodeing? nice sentiment, but impractical as hell.
I meant no right or wrong when it comes to simply living our lives day to day without hurting anybody.
There is no absolute right or wrong. Only relative ones, each person's own neutral position for everething is different, that's where most disagreement start.
Quote from: Rebis on July 21, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
actually, there is... how can we live in a world with no right or wrong without it implodeing? nice sentiment, but impractical as hell.
I meant no right or wrong when it comes to simply living our lives day to day without hurting anybody.
every instance has a consiquence and reaction, nothing is victimless, nothing is perfect.
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 07:14:20 AM
what the point in spotting trans folks?
heck, i had some woman on the bus yesterday who looked like a m2f winking at me and grinning, it was disconcerting, annoying and scary...
(i was in androgenous mode so she probably thought i was a crap f2m ><
Rachael, I'v had other mtf's (2, anyway) give me the winky-dink. They were like me....lesbian mtf. nuthin unusuall there :).
Otherwise, I get the look every day from a variety of gg lesbians.
Thanks, girls....an old lady needs a lift sometimes :)
Bev
Yeah I saw one while shopping, ran up to her, smack her hard on the ass, and ran away screaming "->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, smacked on the fanny, you're it!".
Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on July 22, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
Yeah I saw one while shopping, ran up to her, smack her hard on the ass, and ran away screaming "->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, smacked on the fanny, you're it!".
LMAO
Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on July 22, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
Yeah I saw one while shopping, ran up to her, smack her hard on the ass, and ran away screaming "->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, smacked on the fanny, you're it!".
You do get a cookie for this one. LOL ;D :D
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Rachael on July 22, 2007, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Rebis on July 21, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: Rachael on July 21, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
actually, there is... how can we live in a world with no right or wrong without it implodeing? nice sentiment, but impractical as hell.
I meant no right or wrong when it comes to simply living our lives day to day without hurting anybody.
every instance has a consiquence and reaction, nothing is victimless, nothing is perfect.
Are you trying to torment me? Because, if you are, I'm okay with that.
Posted on: July 22, 2007, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on July 22, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
Yeah I saw one while shopping, ran up to her, smack her hard on the ass, and ran away screaming "->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, smacked on the fanny, you're it!".
You'll never top this. I'm afraid it's all downhill for you from here on in. ;)
its not personal yeh know...
Candi: evil :D
Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on July 22, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
Yeah I saw one while shopping, ran up to her, smack her hard on the ass, and ran away screaming "->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, smacked on the fanny, you're it!".
Dammit, Candi! Now look what you've done. What did she look like? How tall? How old?........hafta watch out from now on, 'cause I don't want it to be my turn to be "it" in public...
Beverly
I don't like hearing that awful tag 'TRANSPEOPLE'....it's like some alien from Star trek.....these are ordinary everyday people who may or may not have changed gender...
I think the point of this topic is that are people recognised as someone who has transitioned. I think some are easily recognised as their transition was harder than others depending on their size, shape, bone structure etc..
Probably a large per cent go unoticed and are not read as such which is really what we are all aiming for......which is what a transition is, going from one gender to another...
this topic makes trans folk seem like a 3rd visible gender, cant we just see men and women?
I tend to observe what is going on around me, so yes, I have noticed other people. Do I go up to them, seek them out? No.
As far as I am concerned they are just other people who are at the mall (or wherever). If someone waves to me, I wave back, if someone greets me, I greet them back. But, I am somewhat of a private person (some call it shy) so I don't usually make the first move.
Sarah L.
im begining to find this topic degenerating into a witchhunt...
Quote from: Rachael on July 25, 2007, 10:44:49 AM
this topic makes trans folk seem like a 3rd visible gender, cant we just see men and women?
Thanks Rachael....you put it across better than I did....
I do detest the words 'Trans people'.....they're not aliens from another planet...they are ordinary people......I prefer being called a 'female' or 'woman' not a 'trans person' ......it sounds like a freak and I ain't no freak....
but Berliegh, were a group to be looked out for... no trans person can pass as long as the ->-bleeped-<-stapo are searching for us with thier binoculars and sniper scopes! your being watched and identified!
come on, gimmie a break, i bet half the 'trans' people you see, arnt, and its your over active brains seeing masculine or feminine features which non trans folk dont notice or CARE about... natal males and females can have features of the other gender. its called genetics, its what makes us look differnet...
To me, the subject is
QuoteDoes anyone here actually look out for trans people while out and about?
which, to me, means; do you actively make a conscious effort to find transpeople (I like the word) out in the world when you are out and about doing your normal activities?
I see no connotation as transpeople being freaks or even the implication of "do you look for transpeople the same way some people look for Bigfoot?" I definitely do not see it implied that "when you find a transperson, do you shout out to them?"
Also, I am neither a man nor a woman I am the freak that you fear heh heh heh heh >:D
When I was scared of being alone in the world, I did keep an eye out for others because I needed to know that we are here and we are a part of this society. There is no reason to think of the question as being belittling to people, in my opinion.
just saying. Don't make me pull this guy out again ----> >:(
Quote from: Rachael on July 25, 2007, 10:44:49 AM
this topic makes trans folk seem like a 3rd visible gender, cant we just see men and women?
And what about those that obviously blend the gender lines, whether it is because of a tough transition or just because they want to? We are not all men or women...some of us do not fit those categories. Of course, we may be the easiest to spot
because we aren't either of those.
Quote from: Rachael on July 25, 2007, 12:05:17 PM
but Berliegh, were a group to be looked out for... no trans person can pass as long as the ->-bleeped-<-stapo are searching for us with thier binoculars and sniper scopes! your being watched and identified!
->-bleeped-<-stapo...LMAO...gee, I just thought I was looking at people trying to figure out if I wanted to ask them out.
Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on July 22, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
Yeah I saw one while shopping, ran up to her, smack her hard on the ass, and ran away screaming "->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, smacked on the fanny, you're it!".
This has got to be the funniest thing I have read in a long time. But Bev may be right...everybody keep their eyes open in case you are the next one to be "It".
And, while it is true the thread did drift a little, and had a kind of dark feeling for a while, I think the bottom line is that most folks look at people. We all look and, right or wrong, make assumptions about them based solely on their appearance. Is she a real blonde? Oh honey, do something about those nails. Hey, they make a cute couple. I like that outfit, she must have good taste...and the list goes on and on. Assigning a "boy", "girl", or "other" label may not be fair, but it is human.
....Laurry
Quote from: Rachael on July 25, 2007, 12:05:17 PM
but Berliegh, were a group to be looked out for... no trans person can pass as long as the ->-bleeped-<-stapo are searching for us with thier binoculars and sniper scopes! your being watched and identified!
come on, gimmie a break, i bet half the 'trans' people you see, arnt, and its your over active brains seeing masculine or feminine features which non trans folk dont notice or CARE about... natal males and females can have features of the other gender. its called genetics, its what makes us look differnet...
I did make the same point earlier Rachael......I don't think the ->-bleeped-<-stapo would put me in their list......luckily I've never been identified as such.
i figure by now ive got 6 or 7 highly trained ->-bleeped-<-sassins on my tail because of my views...
if i dont log on tomorrow, ive suffered death by wigfixiation....
I think I saw someone cross dress. He in a dress and make up too. I try to help him out but the way he act make it hard for me to help him. He talk really fast and not really to the point what he want. I want to help but it was hard.
I saw one that was trans as a girl. I try to help her, however she came to the wrong place. So I tell her where she should pick up the item she was looking for.
A few time I heard people make fun of trans people.
I'm always afraid I'm wrong, I have like no tran-dar. I tend to assume people are the gender they are presenting. And if they are presenting androgenyne, then I try not to guess either way.
I think the main reason I'm here is because I started seeing people who looked kind of like myself out and about, who weren't ashamed. It made it easier to admit to myself that I wasn't quite fitting the norm. There's a natural tendency to deny being something that's considered derogatory, even if it's true. Having just one other person be brave and show the dishonesty and hypocrisy behind the shaming helps you be brave as well.
I dont.
I have to admit it -- I'm completely addicted to ->-bleeped-<-spotting! I was at the airport the other day and saw at least two, possibly four. I wasn't even there for very long! (And yes, I'm sure about those two.) Makes me wonder how many transpeople "spotted" me before I went on T and became all studly. ;D
EDIT: One of them was a stewardess! She was hot!
what gave her away?
and since saying i dont ->-bleeped-<-spot, my workplace has become a hotbed of ->-bleeped-<- grazing...
ive seen 5 in our bar in the last few weeks...
R :police:
Quote from: Rachael on July 17, 2007, 06:10:56 PM
sometimes our ->-bleeped-<-dar is overactive, and we read natal females... we want to see trans folk...
Heh, that happened to me a couple months after I saw
The Crying Game-- I saw the movie
Hexed and I guess I'd been made wary about this-- I was positive that the female lead Claudia Christian was MTF. But I was wrong.
This is what i sing when i'm going on a ->-bleeped-<- hunt:
->-bleeped-<-s, and Andros, and Queers, Oh my!
I sometimes try to guess, but I readily admit that us folk get a lot of false positives