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Title: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: angel0202 on May 11, 2014, 02:19:17 PM
One of the most dramatic FFs results iv seen, what does everyone think about it?

If you google search "yasmine petty Instagram" you will also see much much more better images"

I understand there's heavy makeup involved but that jaw work looks amazing!

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/54535845461274293/ (http://www.pinterest.com/pin/54535845461274293/)
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: INgrid Alicia on May 11, 2014, 05:42:14 PM
I dont think so... they dont show the face in the same position.. and they show just boobs and clothes, make-up
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Melissa_fox on May 11, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
Looks amazing to me but, she looked very female even dressed as a guy.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: sh1982 on May 12, 2014, 02:23:11 PM
That is jennifer paris you can google her, to me she just looks a bit to plastic she does look very feminine and pretty but a bit over the top how should i put a it nicely uhmm she got the ->-bleeped-<- look lol.I know she got some work done by Dr Ousterhout but she proberly got a lot more then just that.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: angel0202 on May 12, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
She uses two names "yasmine petty" and "Jennifer Paris". Everyone at first glance would agree about her looking plastic but iv looked past that/gotten used to it, her forhead work isn't actually that feminine, well it is but from her profile it's not recessed back... Hope I'm making sense. And as for her tiny jaw and chin, I can't imagine ousterhout doing that from my research he only takes it down to average female measurements, I don't think hers are! But he probably did some stuff. I think she has had every single procedure to feminise her face, but exaggerated every single procedure so it's like  :o :o her face fascinates me as its been extremely extremely feminized, (not in a good way but not in a bad way)
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Melissa_fox on May 12, 2014, 03:33:16 PM
I think she was going for the whole Kim Kardashian look and came really close.  while it does look a little plastic, I think the doctors pulled off going far enough without looking freakish like some girls do.

To me I've noticed the breaking point is when the cheeks are made way too big and the nose looks like Michael Jackson.  Also duck lips are  a deal breaker as well.

What I'm blown away is all the curves she has.

Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: angel0202 on May 12, 2014, 03:54:29 PM
The curves are definitely fat transfers/grafting and Brazilian butt lifting! The curves can look really peculiar in some images iv seen and in others look very sexy. Each to their own!! I think the dramatically lifted eyebrows also add to the overdone aspect, i agree with the lips but I love naturally big lips!
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Melissa_fox on May 12, 2014, 04:28:25 PM
If I knew for certain I could end up like that I would do it in a hearbeat.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: absoluteshade on May 12, 2014, 05:01:07 PM
99% of her pics are photoshopped to some degree

i think this is her without the photoshopping quite a difference

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ln/20130821/210813_have_faith_swimgerie/yasmine-petty-have-faith-swimgerie-by-lilly_3826722.jpg
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Melissa_fox on May 12, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
Ok well that would explain why she looks so flawless.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: absoluteshade on May 12, 2014, 05:08:05 PM
Photoshopped pic from the same event, same outfit.

http://vikisecrets.com/uploaded/2013/life-ball-2013-1001-nights-6.jpg
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: L00T on May 14, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
I don't even understand why she would photoshop. She's pretty either way. But yeah, she definitely looked very fem even before transition. :P
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Melissa_fox on May 15, 2014, 07:09:57 AM
I guess she does it for the same reason every fashinion magazine still does it.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Pickles on May 15, 2014, 07:22:40 AM
She looks like Barbie's friend Taressa to me, LOL. l
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Dahlia on May 15, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
She looks terrible plastic...especially in the un-photoshopped pic.

She'll need A LOT of photoshopping when she grows older..people who had that kind of plastic surgery when relatively young grow older in a horrible way.

When her skin thins when growing older the subdermal scars are gonna show, when growing older your jaws shrinks (even further)  etcetc.

Not a pretty future for her.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Jill F on May 15, 2014, 02:39:59 PM
I think she took it a wee bit too far.  I frequently see famous retired porn stars in my neck of the woods that had way too much work done and they just look like frankenhookers now.

BTW, having big fat fake ones and being over 50 is not pretty.  A bit of sag is natural.  Balloons are not.

FAIL

Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Dahlia on May 15, 2014, 03:15:29 PM
Quote from: Jill F on May 15, 2014, 02:39:59 PM
  I frequently see famous retired porn stars in my neck of the woods that had way too much work done and they just look like frankenhookers now.
Males, females or MTF?
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Jill F on May 15, 2014, 03:22:05 PM
Quote from: Dahlia on May 15, 2014, 03:15:29 PM
Males, females or MTF?

Well, (I assume) just cis males and females, but I was talking about the females.

And don't get me started about Ron Jeremy...  *cringe* 
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Dahlia on May 15, 2014, 05:08:49 PM
Quoteauthor=Jill F link=topic=165012.msg1427377#msg1427377 date=1400185325.

And don't get me started about Ron Jeremy...  *cringe*
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: sh1982 on May 15, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Dahlia on May 15, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
She looks terrible plastic...especially in the un-photoshopped pic.

She'll need A LOT of photoshopping when she grows older..people who had that kind of plastic surgery when relatively young grow older in a horrible way.

When her skin thins when growing older the subdermal scars are gonna show, when growing older your jaws shrinks (even further)  etcetc.

Not a pretty future for her.

Yes your are absolutly right plus she proberly try to get more plastic surgery to look younger that will make her look even more ridiculous

Quote from: Jill F on May 15, 2014, 02:39:59 PM
I think she took it a wee bit too far.  I frequently see famous retired porn stars in my neck of the woods that had way too much work done and they just look like frankenhookers now.

BTW, having big fat fake ones and being over 50 is not pretty.  A bit of sag is natural.  Balloons are not.

FAIL



LOL @ frankenhookers good one, yeah your right about the boobs but at least boobs you can hide a bit or down size but people will Always see your face, it is to bad because she could be really pretty and natural if she didnt go overboard with all the surgery
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: barbie on May 16, 2014, 11:32:55 AM
That is the same for GGs.
Just skillful makeup also can generate dramatic difference.
Some comparison photos of Miss Korea candidates in 2013, which were revealed by Chinese Internet media:

http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=tmdwls0418&logNo=80189210776&redirect=Dlog&widgetTypeCall=true

barbie~~
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Lucrezia333 on May 16, 2014, 06:17:54 PM
Quote from: Dahlia on May 15, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
She looks terrible plastic...especially in the un-photoshopped pic.

She'll need A LOT of photoshopping when she grows older..people who had that kind of plastic surgery when relatively young grow older in a horrible way.

When her skin thins when growing older the subdermal scars are gonna show, when growing older your jaws shrinks (even further)  etcetc.

Not a pretty future for her.


I think is bit cruel to say that.... surely this should be a positive site and not put others down....
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Nero on May 16, 2014, 06:40:49 PM
I agree she looks a bit over the top and like she's had much work done. I don't think it looks good past a certain point. But I feel sorry for women (cis and trans) who resort to this. Beauty culture is so insidious and so damaging. And perhaps even moreso for trans women because it's hard to tell the line between undoing masculinization and doing too much. I'm sure she was a beautiful girl before all the work and photoshop.  :(
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Jill F on May 16, 2014, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: FA on May 16, 2014, 06:40:49 PM
I agree she looks a bit over the top and like she's had much work done. I don't think it looks good past a certain point. But I feel sorry for women (cis and trans) who resort to this. Beauty culture is so insidious and so damaging. And perhaps even moreso for trans women because it's hard to tell the line between undoing masculinization and doing too much. I'm sure she was a beautiful girl before all the work and photoshop.  :(

Why again do I just want to kick Hugh Hefner square in the nuts for propagating unrealistic standards for both men and women?
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Nero on May 16, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Quote from: Jill F on May 16, 2014, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: FA on May 16, 2014, 06:40:49 PM
I agree she looks a bit over the top and like she's had much work done. I don't think it looks good past a certain point. But I feel sorry for women (cis and trans) who resort to this. Beauty culture is so insidious and so damaging. And perhaps even moreso for trans women because it's hard to tell the line between undoing masculinization and doing too much. I'm sure she was a beautiful girl before all the work and photoshop.  :(

Why again do I just want to kick Hugh Hefner square in the nuts for propagating unrealistic standards for both men and women?

Yeah, I used to like Playboy, but now it's so photoshopped and with bony girls with huge fake balloons... And the kicker is that people interested want to see women's bodies - not a surgeon's or photoshopper's work.  ::) This focus on bodily perfection has absolutely ruined everything. A woman's body, however beautiful, is flesh. And beautiful before the boob jobs, nose jobs, etc and photoshop. But we never see it anymore.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Jill F on May 16, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: FA on May 16, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Why again do I just want to kick Hugh Hefner square in the nuts for propagating unrealistic standards for both men and women?


Yeah, I used to like Playboy, but now it's so photoshopped and with bony girls with huge fake balloons... And the kicker is that people interested want to see women's bodies - not a surgeon's or photoshopper's work.  ::) This focus on bodily perfection has absolutely ruined everything. A woman's body, however beautiful, is flesh. And beautiful before the boob jobs, nose jobs, etc and photoshop. But we never see it anymore.

I remember Playboy in the 70s and 80s.  Still tacky as all hell, but at least it was better than it is today.  I was never one for porn, mind you, but I guess Playboy was more umm, tasteful than any other mag out there and it probably still is (IDK- haven't actually seen one in 10+ years).  At least the women looked like real women back in the day.  I mean why even bother using real models anymore when you can approximate "perfection" better with a computer?  I also hate the message it sends to men, where "real men" are supposed to be sleeping with women that look like that, and sometimes having several at once, and if you're not and don't have a huge c*ck or a sh*tload of money like Hugh, well, you are somehow just less of a man.

FU Hugh, Larry Flynt and the rest of you.  You may have got my friends' money at one time or another, but you never got mine.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Shantel on May 16, 2014, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Jill F on May 16, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
I remember Playboy in the 70s and 80s.  Still tacky as all hell, but at least it was better than it is today.  I was never one for porn, mind you, but I guess Playboy was more umm, tasteful than any other mag out there and it probably still is (IDK- haven't actually seen one in 10+ years).  At least the women looked like real women back in the day.  I mean why even bother using real models anymore when you can approximate "perfection" better with a computer?  I also hate the message it sends to men, where "real men" are supposed to be sleeping with women that look like that, and sometimes having several at once, and if you're not and don't have a huge c*ck or a sh*tload of money like Hugh, well, you are somehow just less of a man.

FU Hugh, Larry Flynt and the rest of you.  You may have got my friends' money at one time or another, but you never got mine.


Waaaaa Hahaha  :D :laugh: kick some A$$ there Jill baby!
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Ms Grace on May 16, 2014, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: Jill F on May 16, 2014, 07:06:23 PM
Why again do I just want to kick Hugh Hefner square in the nuts for propagating unrealistic standards for both men and women?

He's a sleazy grot no doubt about it, but very tame compared to some of the other purveyors of porn out there that now peddle much, much worse. :(

And it's not like porn didn't exist before Hefner, although he commodified it. So kick away, Jill... kick all you want!
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Shantel on May 16, 2014, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: FA on May 16, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Why again do I just want to kick Hugh Hefner square in the nuts for propagating unrealistic standards for both men and women?


Yeah, I used to like Playboy, but now it's so photoshopped and with bony girls with huge fake balloons... And the kicker is that people interested want to see women's bodies - not a surgeon's or photoshopper's work.  ::) This focus on bodily perfection has absolutely ruined everything. A woman's body, however beautiful, is flesh. And beautiful before the boob jobs, nose jobs, etc and photoshop. But we never see it anymore.

Floatation devices!  :D >:-)
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Sophiabutterfly09 on May 20, 2014, 03:10:48 AM
Yes, this ladies name is Yasmine Petty. She is, to be honest striking. I actually messaged her when I was 17 (very nice) she had "The Works" with Dr.  Ousterhout. One of the ladies who really inspired me to go to Dr. O (Lynn Conway, Andrea James, Donna Rose etc.). I have heard of various girls becoming models after having FFS with Dr. O (I'm not kidding). Just In my opinion, I think she may have had additional cosmetic procedures performed after FFS with Dr. O
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Sophiabutterfly09 on May 20, 2014, 03:30:23 AM
Oh and just to remind everyone :) it's not cute to put down other girls. We all have unique journeys and transitions . If she's more comfortable in her identity now, Who is anyone else to judge?
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: bubbles21 on May 20, 2014, 07:39:59 AM
Her figure is flawless and its what I would like but i dont think I would go that far and change so much of my facial features :) If this lady is happy then more power to her. Wish i could afford a body like that :)
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: shedevilcanada on May 20, 2014, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: Sophiabutterfly09 on May 20, 2014, 03:30:23 AM
Oh and just to remind everyone :) it's not cute to put down other girls. We all have unique journeys and transitions . If she's more comfortable in her identity now, Who is anyone else to judge?


I couldn't of said it better myself, beauty is in the eue of the beholder
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: angel0202 on May 20, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
I made this thread so that people could give their views purely on her ffs result.

Except people choose to find the WORST photo of this girl and criticise her, all ill say is if you look at her instagram I posted in my first post, you will realise she isn't actually REALLY photoshopped as there are videos etc. The girls who criticised her are Jealous, i just wanted advice and opinions on how she feminized her face that much. Yes there are some aspect of it which some may not like but i think the bone work done to her face is exceptionally good.

Either way if she looks like a franken hooker or whatever morbid things you said, that doesn't take away from the fact we are all trans and we should support eachother, society tells us we are disgusting as it is, never mind each other, THIS IS A PLASTIC SURGERY FORUM, some results on here are underdone and overdone, why are people being negative towards this girl, after all she just went under the knife, like most others will do or have done on this forum, why is that such a bad thing?

I respect her and admire her for achieving such beauty and i also respect her for going against society, and going on a such a courageous journey.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Shantel on May 20, 2014, 06:46:16 PM
Yeah, I do too, she is frickin gorgeous! On the other hand I would be considered a mud hen next to her, but there is no way I could ever afford the fine tuning she has probably been through.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: shedevilcanada on May 21, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
its sad to hear transgendered bashing other transgendered because they choose to look a certain way. I am friends with her on Facebook and she is gorgeous. If somebody chooses to look a certain way and that makes them happy, then thats the only thing that matters. Its funny to hear the ladies here bashing her and her looks because all the TS that looks like her bashes you about your looks, no disrespect. And I reply to them the same way that I do here; to each their own.

all this to say that we should accept all transgender people no matter what they decide to look like and support eachother. This journey is not easy, help and support would be much better than bashing.

Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Shantel on May 21, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: shedevilcanada on May 21, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
its sad to hear transgendered bashing other transgendered because they choose to look a certain way. I am friends with her on Facebook and she is gorgeous. If somebody chooses to look a certain way and that makes them happy, then thats the only thing that matters. Its funny to hear the ladies here bashing her and her looks because all the TS that looks like her bashes you about your looks, no disrespect. And I reply to them the same way that I do here; to each their own.

all this to say that we should accept all transgender people no matter what they decide to look like and support eachother. This journey is not easy, help and support would be much better than bashing.

No doubt there is a little envy, it's quite common among women when a really stunning woman enters the room so nothing to get too excited about here hon. Then again not everyone has the resources or the inclination to go through all that she must have to look beautiful, others would prefer to blend in with the average cis female world and draw less attention to themselves.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: sh1982 on May 22, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
Quote from: Shantel on May 21, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
No doubt there is a little envy, it's quite common among women when a really stunning woman enters the room so nothing to get too excited about here hon. Then again not everyone has the resources or the inclination to go through all that she must have to look beautiful, others would prefer to blend in with the average cis female world and draw less attention to themselves.

Exactly that is was more or less my point i was trying to make if she didnt go overboard with all the surgery she would have blended in perfectly with cis woman but now she just looks like caricature( i also saw a couple of clips of her and she acts way over the top that also doesnt help you when you try to pass) and will get get clocked most of the the time.I am not jealous of her at all, yes i want plastic surgery but not to look plastic and fake but look like a like say my sister or niece.I just dont understand why you should go through all the trouble of beeing a transgender and everything that comes with that and you have the chance to blend in, you just have to go over the top.And yes she can do whatever she wants but this is just my opnion
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Shantel on May 22, 2014, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: sh1982 on May 22, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
Exactly that is was more or less my point i was trying to make if she didnt go overboard with all the surgery she would have blended in perfectly with cis woman but now she just looks like caricature( i also saw a couple of clips of her and she acts way over the top that also doesnt help you when you try to pass) and will get get clocked most of the the time.I am not jealous of her at all, yes i want plastic surgery but not to look plastic and fake but look like a like say my sister or niece.I just dont understand why you should go through all the trouble of beeing a transgender and everything that comes with that and you have the chance to blend in, you just have to go over the top.And yes she can do whatever she wants but this is just my opnion

Yes I get that and am more in your corner with that line of thought, but she's probably the opposite extreme of myself who is content with androgyny and will obviously never pass as it has never been important to me to blend like so many trans women are so driven to achieve. Obviously she likes the notoriety and like myself there is room in the transgender world for both extremes. I do appreciate your thoughts though because what you are saying is one of the biggest concerns for most trans women. The important point here not to be missed is that we needn't take offense at those who don't meet our personal criteria, because they really don't reflect our own unique individual values.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: angel0202 on May 22, 2014, 10:49:01 AM
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Quote from: sh1982 on May 22, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
Exactly that is was more or less my point i was trying to make if she didnt go overboard with all the surgery she would have blended in perfectly with cis woman but now she just looks like caricature( i also saw a couple of clips of her and she acts way over the top that also doesnt help you when you try to pass) and will get get clocked most of the the time.I am not jealous of her at all, yes i want plastic surgery but not to look plastic and fake but look like a like say my sister or niece.I just dont understand why you should go through all the trouble of beeing a transgender and everything that comes with that and you have the chance to blend in, you just have to go over the top.And yes she can do whatever she wants but this is just my opnion

SORRY BUT YOU ARE SO NAIVE AND THICK. I cannot believe what your saying. Trans women are allowed to be humans, she has a personality and should be allowed to express herself, like say kim kardashian, trans women are women, women DO NOT all BLEND IN...WE SOMETIMES ARE OBNOXIOUS AND "OUT THERE" get what im saying? Trans women should not have to sacrifice having a personality... hahaha

Even if your sooooo against trans women who choose to be public figures etc etc instead of taking a hiatus in life, you do not need to express your hate in your previous posts, if you were happy enough with your own life you wouldn't need to put others down.

Basically trans people should be free to look and act how they want whether that's plastic, obnoxiously behaved, or just blend in. Again the same way women can choose who they want to be.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: sh1982 on May 22, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: angel0202 on May 22, 2014, 10:49:01 AM
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SORRY BUT YOU ARE SO NAIVE AND THICK. I cannot believe what your saying. Trans women are allowed to be humans, she has a personality and should be allowed to express herself, like say kim kardashian, trans women are women, women DO NOT all BLEND IN...WE SOMETIMES ARE OBNOXIOUS AND "OUT THERE" get what im saying? Trans women should not have to sacrifice having a personality... hahaha

Even if your sooooo against trans women who choose to be public figures etc etc instead of taking a hiatus in life, you do not need to express your hate in your previous posts, if you were happy enough with your own life you wouldn't need to put others down.

Basically trans people should be free to look and act how they want whether that's plastic, obnoxiously behaved, or just blend in. Again the same way women can choose who they want to be.

First of all i didnt hate anyone i said in my post that i just voiced my opnion, secondly you bring up Kim K and she is exactly what is wrong with this world today you can be famous in this world and  be the centre of attention and on the news every single day even if you dont have a single talent except having a big ass or being pretty what the hell of an example is that to the younger generation?Also Yasmina/Jennifer herself is seeking publicity so she also can take some critisism, the same goes for Kim K.I am sick and tired of woman (cis or TS) seeking attention from the media and then cry if they get crisitism and when someone give them critisism they are labeld as"jealous".And i am not against trans woman that choose the public life,i support woman like Amanda Simpson,Dana International,Georgina Beyer etc that have achieved something and that try to break barriers for us, but i am sorry to say that people like jennifer make a caricutere out of transwoman and just confirm the stereotypes people have about us a group.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: angel0202 on May 22, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
Quote from: sh1982 on May 22, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
First of all i didnt hate anyone i said in my post that i just voiced my opnion, secondly you bring up Kim K and she is exactly what is wrong with this world today you can be famous in this world and  be the centre of attention and on the news every single day even if you dont have a single talent except having a big ass or being pretty what the hell of an example is that to the younger generation?Also Yasmina/Jennifer herself is seeking publicity so she also can take some critisism, the same goes for Kim K.I am sick and tired of woman (cis or TS) seeking attention from the media and then cry if they get crisitism and when someone give them critisism they are labeld as"jealous".And i am not against trans woman that choose the public life,i support woman like Amanda Simpson,Dana International,Georgina Beyer etc that have achieved something and that try to break barriers for us, but i am sorry to say that people like jennifer make a caricutere out of transwoman and just confirm the stereotypes people have about us a group.

I  do not disagree with your views on what is wrong with the world today. But I also would repeat to you again that you are INCREDIBLY THICK. I actually cannot believe what you are talking about...

You are talking about what's wrong with the world?  "LOL at frankerhooker, good one" and you stated that you agreed with another poster who called her "terribly plastic" - darling people like you are what is wrong with this world,  this is incredibly hateful, wouldn't you be offended at if you read comments calling you plastic, morbidly ugly and a hooker?

You mention she gives trans women a bad name? I disagree, it is people like YOU who give trans women a bad name, grow up, I needn't say much more, you should accept you are wrong and move on. This world may be a mess, so go out and change it instead of being a little ****

Yasmine, Kim kardashian etc etc do not spread hate, they are just living their lives harmlessly, you are most definitely allowed to state that you disagree with whatever, and you are allowed an opinion, but come on going out your way to be horrible is not an opinion.
Title: Re: Most dramatic FFs result
Post by: Jessica Merriman on May 22, 2014, 02:24:29 PM
And with that this topic is locked.