Poll
Question:
Would you consider an experimental body swap?
Option 1: Never.
Option 2: Not at this time.
Option 3: Yes if failure rate is less than 1%
Option 4: Yes if failure rate is less than 5%.
Option 5: Yes if failure rate is less than 10%.
Option 6: Yes if failure rate is less than 25%.
***This poll is very complex and should prove interesting. By the way if humans can imagine something then they are halfway home to making it a reality.****
The Georgia Tech engineers have developed "nanobots" (microscopic robots) that can attach neurons and change the molecular structure of a cell to prevent donor cell rejection. With this new technology you now have the option of surgically transplanting brains between bodies. The nanobots are very expensive so that this experimental surgery can be done on only one couple with a success rate of over 99%. That means if you can convince someone on this forum to swap bodies you each can wake after the surgery with your new body. Of cause that does mean that each of you would have a 1% chance of failure.
The capitalist director of research would prefer to do as many surgeries as possible to gather scientific data. It happens that if you decrease the nanobots in half, you can successfully do two couples but the success rate drops to 95%. Three couples can be done for a success rate of 90% and four couples for a success rate of 75%.
You can change your answers to "compete" for a slot if multiple couples decide to do the surgery; however, a maximum of four couples is the limit for this no cost free experimental surgery.
I am interested in your thoughts on why you would or wouldn't do this surgery. It would also be interesting if a couple does decide to swap bodies why they would select each others body.
It's really tempting, I'll admit.. to have a truly female body, womb and all...
But as I see it, this is my fate, my challenge to make the best of things. I have this sneaking suspicion that the REAL point of this insane paradox isn't so much to be a girl, but rather to create a motivation to face up to the inner demons which have haunted me all my life. THAT's been the real treasure of transitioning... the being a girl thing is just a Value Added bonus ;)
Although OK, if my Muse over there is offering, then I'm IN ;)
~Kate~
It sounds like fun, but who the hell would I switch with, and what would be the point?
I wouldn't want to place that burden on someone else.
Quote from: AshleyMichelle on July 22, 2007, 07:36:58 PM
what if...
they could transplant your brain (or essence, or self, or whathaveyou) into someone that had no brain function, like they do with hearts and kidneys and such?
Oh geez.
to the philosophy forum, batman! or some sound.
If the woman I'm switching with is young and vital and voluptous and drop-dead gorgeous and has working plumbing
and fertile, maybe I'd just do the damn thing.
She has all that going on, she/I can make her/my own fortune. :laugh:
I really dont see the point for me personaly at this point LoL... yes thats allot of points... add a few more and we can have a star LoL.
This boils down to looks and physicality I beleave....
What FTM would want my body at this point... The hormones have changed my body chemestry and added some of the things they seek to be rid of... oh, and unlike with there natural bodies, mine is pretty shot in the facial and body hair areas... it just aint happening anymore LoL. the damage has allready been done and the point of a body swap would be to skip all the normal transition mumbojumbo... right?
Also on the other side... I dont think I would want the body of any of the FTM's here... Id have to turn around and transition all over again just to attempt to correct the damages they have done....
I believe this type of thing would be best for thsoe who havnt allready altered there bodies through surgury or hormones or other drastic mesures...
let someone else have this hourly glass figure? no way!
Hmm. Actually I'm kind of partial to mine. With one exception. ::)
An mtf swapping bodies with me would have to accept that she'd have nice tits, face, and hair, a beer gut and she'd never have the legs for a skirt.
lol :laugh:
Quote from: Nero on July 23, 2007, 09:28:49 AM
Hmm. Actually I'm kind of partial to mine. With one exception. ::)
An mtf swapping bodies with me would have to accept that she'd have nice tits, face, and hair, a beer gut and she'd never have the legs for a skirt.
Hmm. A body swap has no money back guarantee. It is far different than body modifications.
Although it is not perfect it would prove interesting.
Well a FTM would have to accept a bigger and stronger than average male body. No one calls me Madam.
I stopped singing at 12 because my voice got very deep. I still will not sing in public. Yes I sang in the choir when I was young. I would prefer the new body to have a higher voice than mine.
The new owner gets a pair of pretty blue eyes and nice teeth.
This body does not come with a beard and will not grow one.
You will need to keep you shirt on in public.
Body is very healthy. Brain is the problem.
Quote from: Nero on July 23, 2007, 09:28:49 AM
Hmm. Actually I'm kind of partial to mine. With one exception. ::)
An mtf swapping bodies with me would have to accept that she'd have nice tits, face, and hair, a beer gut and she'd never have the legs for a skirt.
ROFL ;D
MVER XXX
Quote from: Wendy on July 22, 2007, 06:25:14 PM
***This poll is made to make you smile and think.
To be honest it made me cry. :| Tis just a topic that hits close to home for me is all; It is a good poll but please excuse my lack of response.
Yes I would and I wish that this actually exsisted :(
Quote from: Jaston on July 24, 2007, 10:38:07 AM
Yes I would and I wish that this actually exsisted
Jaston these medical marvels will happen. Of course the first phase will be to heal nerve damage within the same person. This could allow deaf people to hear, blind to see, cripples to walk. This will probably happen prior to 2030.
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Frankly I am amazed that the body swap procedure would be considered by about 75% of the respondents. It is even more surprising that about 20% would accept a 25% failure rate. My guess is that males are more aggressive than females and are more likely to accept greater risks. I would hypothesize that a greater proportion of FTM's would accept a higher failure rate.
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Even though 75% would consider swapping bodies no couple to this point could agree on a swap!
Quote from: Wendy on July 24, 2007, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Jaston on July 24, 2007, 10:38:07 AM
Yes I would and I wish that this actually exsisted
Jaston these medical marvels will happen. Of course the first phase will be to heal nerve damage within the same person. This could allow deaf people to hear, blind to see, cripples to walk. This will probably happen prior to 2030.
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To me it would be less hassle and at least you wouldn't have to go through the whole hormone procedure your body would just be the sex that you want it to be! With out any hesitation. I have always said that you should be able to choose what sex to be when you are young say 6-9 years of age as thats when you sort of know what gender you are. But I dont think that would happen!
Roll on 2030.... Damn I will be 43 years old..... I think that would be to late for me........
Quote from: Wendy on July 24, 2007, 10:55:40 PM
Even though 75% would consider swapping bodies no couple to this point could agree on a swap!
LOL, well what F2M would WANT this body now? The face ain't ever gonna grow a beard again, there's never been chest hair, he'd STILL need to get top surgery, and I have NO idea if the genitals work anymore after a year of HRT, lol. And the overall frame is small, so you're not gonna be intimidating anyone, ever.
But, you get 6'2" height and a good starting weight (165lbs)... you could *probably* develop the muscles, though I never did. Still have a decent amount of hair. Teeth are finally good and fixed. Not SO bad overall, but still...
~Kate~
Quote from: Jaston on July 25, 2007, 06:24:05 AM
To me it would be less hassle and at least you wouldn't have to go through the whole hormone procedure your body would just be the sex that you want it to be! With out any hesitation. I have always said that you should be able to choose what sex to be when you are young say 6-9 years of age as thats when you sort of know what gender you are. But I dont think that would happen!
Jaston one point of this survey was to show how difficult it is to swap bodies even within the transgender forum and even with very advanced futuristic medical techniques. I present a challenge to find one couple to agree to swap bodies. Would you be willing to trade with someone that is of a different race, or lost an arm in an auto wreck, or is blind, or is too tall, or too fat, or is too old? Tink and Kiera knew the potential trap of this survey. Tink wrote a book when she said NEVER.
I think delaying puberty is a reasonable option. I also think some counseling by gender specialists would be useful. But I think understanding parents are more important than anything. Educating the public is a great way to start making inroads.
The best I can tell you Jaston is to get lots of education and follow your heart. Forgive yourself and forgive others otherwise you will continue to live but somehow will not feel alive.
I used to dream of doing just that when I was young. I would look at some girl and say "if only".
Sarah L.
Quote from: Kate on July 25, 2007, 10:32:22 AM
LOL, well what F2M would WANT this body now? The face ain't ever gonna grow a beard again, there's never been chest hair, he'd STILL need to get top surgery, and I have NO idea if the genitals work anymore after a year of HRT, lol. And the overall frame is small, so you're not gonna be intimidating anyone, ever.
But, you get 6'2" height and a good starting weight (165lbs)... you could *probably* develop the muscles, though I never did. Still have a decent amount of hair. Teeth are finally good and fixed. Not SO bad overall, but still...
~Kate~
Kate I have been trying to swap my body with a beautiful Clairol potential and you start talking about what the hormones are doing. Sell only the good points. Let me show you my bio:
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Do you have any idea of how long it takes to build muscle? Why wait! No need to waste time shaving and a pretty boy face to boot. What a deal!
***By the way for you newcomers. I am teasing Kate. We have some inside jokes that you will miss.***
Quote from: Wendy on July 25, 2007, 01:29:57 PM
Kate I have been trying to swap my body with a beautiful Clairol potential and you start talking about what the hormones are doing. Sell only the good points.
LOL, well I believe in full disclosure...
I should add that because of the hypospadias and shrinkage from HRT, you can kiss any dreams of writing your name in the snow goodbye...
Unless your name is something like sp& (+$^^ (@+++ 8&1& *.
And you STILL have to sit to pee, cuz it gets... well... mischevious and contrary when it comes to aiming.
I notice my PM box is noticeably quiet.
~Kate~
Quote from: Kate on July 25, 2007, 02:01:54 PM
LOL, well I believe in full disclosure...
~Kate~
I believe in caveat emptor. ;) (Seriously, sorry you have had to suffer with the medical condition.)
I'd pair up with any FTM and try it. Hell, I would go so far to have my eyes, brain, and spinal cord ready in a jar like Robocop 2 for a swap. ;D
Quote from: Christine Eryn on July 27, 2007, 02:12:14 AM
I'd pair up with any FTM and try it. Hell, I would go so far to have my eyes, brain, and spinal cord ready in a jar like Robocop 2 for a swap. ;D
Christine you are not alone. However the eyes and the spinal cord stay with your former body and go to your donor. In this deal you swap your beautiful eyes and smile to your donor. Many on this forum (myself included) would take this deal but it is not as sweet as it sounds.
I have had many very detailed fantasies about this but now I'm not likely to jump at the opportunity. It would be great to have a perfect male body, but as time has passed and as I've worked on my inner perception of myself, I'd rather be me, with a few (major) tweaks.
No. Anything above 80% would be tempting
Hey, i'd try it. Yeah it has a rate of failure, but so does every medical procedure. Besides, if it works you get a great payoff, if it dosn't... *shrugs*
Besides, I already have agreed to donate my organs on death and my body to science.
So, anyone around their early 20's want to swap? ;)
Oh, any links to the site, i'd like to read up on it more. Technology like this has always interested me. ;D
I couldn't do it. I'm used to my body. I'd like it to be completely female, but I'll settle for as close as medically possible with today's procedures. I wouldn't want someone else's body. That just seems more un-natural than things already are.
Karen Lyn
I could never do it. The odds for success (per your example) are too lame.
Quote from: Ashley Michelle on August 17, 2007, 07:38:59 PM
i'd go with chances of 50-50.
dont have all that much to lose, so might as well flip the coin
If the surgery was only successful 50% of the time that means that only about 25% of the time both patients in this surgery would survive. That is very sad.
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Quote from: Pia on August 19, 2007, 02:50:43 AM
I could never do it. The odds for success (per your example) are too lame.
Pia you have a good attitude! However people that drive cars in the United States have about a 1.25% chance of driving related death (excludes injuries) during their lifetime. A 1% risk for surgery was in line with the lifetime death rate from cars which is an unacceptable risk to about 30% of the respondents.
For me, I see very little point in doing it. First, I would have no idea of the history of the other body (medical or otherwise), and second, what advantage would it really provide me with? I already live my life as a female, I have a nice hourglass figure, have plenty of people who express attraction, I have no nerve damage from any surgeries, I have nice breasts, I already have children that love me and I'm already more well-known as a female than I ever was as a male. If anything, it would be an unnecessary risk for myself and it would also take the opportunity away from somebody that may benefit from it much more than I would. So, my answer is definitely "never".
Shades of I Will Fear No Evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Fear_No_Evil)!
I would only do it under one set of circumstances: the body was my clone grown to be biologically female like Elizabeth Libby Long (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson_Libby).
Quote from: Lisbeth on August 28, 2007, 10:35:42 AM
Shades of I Will Fear No Evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Fear_No_Evil)!
I would only do it under one set of circumstances: the body was my clone grown to be biologically female like Elizabeth Libby Long (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson_Libby).
Lisbeth, too funny!
Actually I would NEVER consider a clone. However I will document the process:
1. A cell is harvested from the person and "tricked" to become an embryo. (Doable today.)
2. Now the undeveloped embryo is saturated with hormones from the desired gender. (Doable today.)
3. The embryo will develop into a sterile female version of the donor cell from the MTF. (Doable today.)
4. The final version of the new cloned opposite gendered person will be "sacrificed" to be the host body for the mature person's brain. (This is future technology and far easier than swapping bodies with someone with different DNA.)
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Quote from: Melissa on August 27, 2007, 03:36:57 PM
For me, I see very little point in doing it. First, I would have no idea of the history of the other body (medical or otherwise), ... So, my answer is definitely "never".
Great answer Melissa. However I would do a "due diligence" before the swap.
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I never got to "play out" even one scenario even though many would consider the swap!
Here we go: Through my great negotiating skills a beautiful 21 year old healthy blue-eyed genetic female agrees to a swap and the risk of failure is under 1%. Even though everything "seems" perfect this scenario is unacceptable to me. I could not rob a young person that is cross-gendered of their youth in good conscious.
I changed my vote from a 1% failure rate to NEVER due to ethical and religious reasons. However if the genetic female is 30 then I am flip-flopping back to the 1% failure rate! ;)
Quote from: Wendy on August 28, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
Great answer Melissa. However I would do a "due diligence" before the swap.
No matter how thorough your due diligence is, you'll never know as much as you would if you had grown up in that body. Details get forgotten or never documented and people can also lie about things.
Quote from: Wendy on August 28, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
3. The embryo will develop into a sterile female version of the donor cell from the MTF. (Doable today.)
Wait, wait, wait! Why do you think it would be sterile? True, half the eggs would get Y chromosomes and be nonviable. But wouldn't the other half be the same as any genetic female's?
Quote from: Melissa on August 28, 2007, 11:54:35 AM
Details get forgotten or never documented and people can also lie about things.
::) O.K.
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Quote from: Lisbeth on August 28, 2007, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: Wendy on August 28, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
3. The embryo will develop into a sterile female version of the donor cell from the MTF. (Doable today.)
Wait, wait, wait! Why do you think it would be sterile? True, half the eggs would get Y chromosomes and be nonviable. But wouldn't the other half be the same as any genetic female's?
Lisbeth one of my friends at this site told me to be careful what I wish for because I may get it! You asked for a clone but what you really wanted was a genetically altered clone. You want the genes spliced to have XX instead of hormonally altering an XY embryo. The technology to do this is pretty close. You will now have your own X from your biological mom doubled.
Too funny! ;)
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NEVER. Maybe a 40 year old genetic female that does need bifocals. ;)
Quote from: Wendy on August 28, 2007, 12:47:30 PM
Lisbeth one of my friends at this site told me to be careful what I wish for because I may get it! You asked for a clone but what you really wanted was a genetically altered clone. You want the genes spliced to have XX instead of hormonally altering an XY embryo. The technology to do this is pretty close. You will now have your own X from your biological mom doubled.
In which case she would NOT be sterile, but it would not have to be done that way. With just hormone manipulation you still get a female, although an intersexed one.
I said if the failure rate was leas than 25%.
Why?
Curiosity.
Chaunte
Would I swap bodys? sure I would. If it were an available option. No hormons to take and no electrolysis. ;D
Linda Ann
Love being female :angel:
I'd do it with 1% chance of failure.
In fact, I would quite merrily accept switches with any FtM here despite the conditions of their body.
Never! O.K. a genetic female 50-55 years old that does not have osteoporosis. However if you have more facial hair than me the deal if off. It is such a pain to get rid of facial hair. ;)
Quote from: Melissa on August 28, 2007, 11:54:35 AM
No matter how thorough your due diligence is, you'll never know as much as you would if you had grown up in that body. Details get forgotten or never documented and people can also lie about things.
Yeah but if it works.....................
I couldn't do it. Sorry.
Okay, let me see if I understand this correctly.
I do this and it would mean
no more electrolysis
no more trying to make my deep voice sound feminine
no more male bone structure
no more male musculature
no more male fat
mo more injections or pills
no GRS
no FFS
no BA
no trach shave
no more wondering if I pass
just me, all female
Do I need to answer this? ::)
Julie
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 03, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
just me, all female
Do I need to answer this? ::)
But when you look in a mirror, it will be a stranger's face looking back at you.
Quote from: Rebis on September 01, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
I'd do it with 1% chance of failure.
In fact, I would quite merrily accept switches with any FtM here despite the conditions of their body.
Hi R.,
do you mean you want to be in a female body or, you want to be an FTM?
Quote from: Lisbeth on September 03, 2007, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 03, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
just me, all female
Do I need to answer this? ::)
But when you look in a mirror, it will be a stranger's face looking back at you.
I am me because of who I am inside. My physical presence doesn't reflect that now. If I saw all woman in the mirror I wouldn't see a stranger, I'd see me.
Julie
Quote from: Ell on September 03, 2007, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: Rebis on September 01, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
I'd do it with 1% chance of failure.
In fact, I would quite merrily accept switches with any FtM here despite the conditions of their body.
Hi R.,
do you mean you want to be in a female body or, you want to be an FTM?
Either.
I would be happier to be pure Female or female made to appear somewhat male than to be male or male made to appear somewhat female. I think I would especially prefer the genitalia, not for sex reasons, but because I could wear tight jeans and have nothing to show so to speak. I have no problem trading with someone who has had their breasts removed. I would prefer no facial hair and male pattern balding, though.
Does any of this make me the most weird person here? If so, is there no one who would be happy to hold hands with me?
Posted on: September 03, 2007, 05:39:24 PM
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 03, 2007, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Lisbeth on September 03, 2007, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 03, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
just me, all female
Do I need to answer this? ::)
But when you look in a mirror, it will be a stranger's face looking back at you.
I am me because of who I am inside. My physical presence doesn't reflect that now. If I saw all woman in the mirror I wouldn't see a stranger, I'd see me.
Julie
I agree. The guy looking back at me now is some one who is strange to me anyway.
I answered not at this time. While I'd prefer to have a body with more female characteristics, what I'd really like is to be able to safely live as who I am in the body that I have instead of having to be invisible.
Z
Quote from: y2gender on September 03, 2007, 09:32:21 PM
I answered not at this time. While I'd prefer to have a body with more female characteristics, what I'd really like is to be able to safely live as who I am in the body that I have instead of having to be invisible.
Z
Wow, that is really touching. I think you hit the nail on the head there.
Personally, I'd try a swap, even if it was risky. I would just love to know what it would like to be female.
Quote from: Rebis on September 03, 2007, 05:40:36 PM
I think I would especially prefer the genitalia, not for sex reasons, but because I could wear tight jeans and have nothing to show so to speak.
You should still be able to do this with the body you have. I'm pre-op and I'm able to wear tight jeans now with nothing showing. I've even worn a bikini and gotten down to underwear with other women around me. If you are on hormones long enough and clever enough to figure out how to hide "it" well, you can make it so nothing shows or at least it just looks like a bunch of fat. :)
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 03, 2007, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Lisbeth on September 03, 2007, 12:29:43 PM
But when you look in a mirror, it will be a stranger's face looking back at you.
I am me because of who I am inside. My physical presence doesn't reflect that now. If I saw all woman in the mirror I wouldn't see a stranger, I'd see me.
Julie
Sounds like a bizarre twist on something Lois Duncan would write. If it's made into a movie, Peter Jackson can direct it.
Posted on: September 04, 2007, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Melissa on September 04, 2007, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: Rebis on September 03, 2007, 05:40:36 PM
I think I would especially prefer the genitalia, not for sex reasons, but because I could wear tight jeans and have nothing to show so to speak.
You should still be able to do this with the body you have. I'm pre-op and I'm able to wear tight jeans now with nothing showing. I've even worn a bikini and gotten down to underwear with other women around me. If you are on hormones long enough and clever enough to figure out how to hide "it" well, you can make it so nothing shows or at least it just looks like a bunch of fat. :)
Like Melissa said, tight jeans are not a problem. They just help push it in. The challenge comes when you're down to just panties.
Quote from: Lisbeth on September 04, 2007, 12:12:41 PM
Like Melissa said, tight jeans are not a problem. They just help push it in. The challenge comes when you're down to just panties.
That's when you bring out the clear duct tape. ;)
it could be that the face is giggling hysterically and singing Donnie Osmond songs. and you have no idea how it learned them...
Quote from: Ell on September 04, 2007, 09:00:38 PM
it could be that the face is giggling hysterically and singing Donnie Osmond songs. and you have no idea how it learned them...
It could even be Donny Osmond himself.
[takes the young people aside] "I'm sorry. Ell and I have referenced a person with whom you may not be familiar. Well, too bad!! Next time try getting born earlier." >:( [/snarl]