UPDATE: 6/21/14: If there is anyone reading this who has had type III with Dr. Cardenas, I would love to hear from you about your experience and results.
Thanks,
J
UPDATE 6/11/14 I'm 4 weeks out from surgery with Dr. Cardenas and as noted below, you can still see my sinus, especially in the light. Noticeable shadow on the right side, which is my left side (See picture below) Type III will be needed to resolve this so I will need a revision...
I recently had full FFS with Dr. Cardenas, including forehead. We did a type I procedure and this was fine for removing the orbital rim brow bossing, but it was NOT sufficient for setting the frontal sinus area back behind the bridge of my nose. My forehead is now smooth and convex in shape BUT it is apparent that my frontal sinus still protrudes some over the bridge of my nose, which you rarely see in genetic females. Yes, Dr. Cardenas can grind down the bossing on the orbital rims, but he cannot set back the frontal sinus with type I or II. If you are going to Cardenas and you have any doubts, suggest type III. I wish I had just done that... My forehead is good, but it's not "great" Unsure at this time if I will attempt type III with Cardenas or with someone else, perhaps DiMaggio at a later date.
Overall I feel I received a good result, Dr. Lazaro Cardenas is a fine surgeon and the care I received was excellent.
2 weeks post op: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenas%20Post%20Op?sort=3&page=1
Pre-op photos : http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/
1 month post op straight on (notice sinus shadow):
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa532%2Fjgirlpacific%2Fmesinusshowing_zpsb3cea0e5.jpg&hash=44478db9a113cceafda790f9bf061d5b84d81f8e) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/media/mesinusshowing_zpsb3cea0e5.jpg.html)
Pre-op profile:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa532%2Fjgirlpacific%2FCardenasprofilecomparison%2Fprofilebefore_zpsad85159b.jpg&hash=f748f75125e336532a2bbb315b515d6655055449) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/media/Cardenasprofilecomparison/profilebefore_zpsad85159b.jpg.html)
Post op profile:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa532%2Fjgirlpacific%2FCardenasprofilecomparison%2FCardenasbeforeampafterprofilecomparison_zps3fa5813a.jpg&hash=17aa80ada2cee0851025d2bc082d44d36a0ed46b) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/media/Cardenasprofilecomparison/Cardenasbeforeampafterprofilecomparison_zps3fa5813a.jpg.html)
Hello jgirl76,
I'm sorry to hear that you are not fully satisfied with your result, I hear it does take a year for the FFS to fully heal and only then you can fully judge more on what the outcome is after the swelling etc. has gone down. Hopefully things will be better later on for you.
Thanks, Junebug. Unfortunately there is no swelling over my frontal sinus, so the result is what it is :( I just wanted to let others know that they should go type III if they don't want their sinus to overhang the bridge of their nose. Type II is sufficient for brow bossing, but not for setting the frontal sinus back. -J
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 28, 2014, 02:15:52 AM
Thanks, Junebug. Unfortunately there is no swelling over my frontal sinus, so the result is what it is :( I just wanted to let others know that they should go type III if they don't want their sinus to overhang the bridge of their nose. Type II is sufficient for brow bossing, but not for setting the frontal sinus back. -J
Oh no!!
I really do hope at least it was a big improvement tho, even if it's not perfect, but if you're already thinking of getting it done elsewhere it is worryin. Will u be posting some more before and afters Hun? I mean the afters u showed looked extremely good, so I'm not sure spy should mess around with it anymore if it's close enough to what should be, but then I don't think u showed us a profile after x
omg so it's what all girls in the past were saying he's 'not invasive enough' with the foreheads. :o So that newbie last time who created a brawl in the other locked thread was right after all or not. :-\
But did Cardenas PROPOSE you originally to do the Type III from the beginning or it's you who requested to do Type II by yourself? What about that scar in the forehead hairline as the newbie was saying? Is it visible?
Cos his biggest chef doeuvre that Venezuelian male supermodel who turned female I noticed ALWAYS wear a bang. This is alarming. However I've notice he does the lower hemisphere of the face PERFECTLY. I think I will do the lower hemisphere with him and the upper hemisphere with Chettawut, heard excellent stuffs about Di Maggio but Argentina as destination I'm not sure. How much Di Maggio charges for Type III by the way?
I just wanted to say that the frontal sinus is very common amongst many caucasian women, I found one picture that shows that, but I've noticed that amongst many women in real life mainly.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fe5.pudelek.pl%2Fcd122fe6968810437943eabca09979c8c1400795&hash=7c40f95122b07812b17853080986925bd112bf89)
jgirl76, I don't think you should blame yourself for not suggesting him which technique to use. If a surgeon offers both type II and type III techniques in his catalogue, it's his duty to pick the right one for each case. He saw your pre op x rays, he got your frontal bone peeled right before his eyes in the operating room, so he managed much more information about your sinus than you did. I think this shows why having a good aesthetic judgment is as important for a surgeon as having skilled hands.
The standard with foreheads really "should be" that the frontal sinus should not protrude over the bridge of the nose... and if you can't shave it down far enough to fix that, then type III is needed. Without further adieu here are some photos of me with no make up or anything. You can see the orbital rim bossing is gone, but that my frontal sinus protrudes over the bridge of my nose still.
Post op: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenas%20Post%20Op?sort=3&page=1
Pre op: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 28, 2014, 06:38:54 PM
The standard with foreheads really "should be" that the frontal sinus should not protrude over the bridge of the nose... and if you can't shave it down far enough to fix that, then type III is needed (seems elementary) - Without further adieu here are some photos of me with no make up or anything. You can see the orbital rim bossing is gone, but that my frontal sinus protrudes over the bridge of my nose still.
http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenas%20Post%20Op?sort=3&page=1
As English is not my language I don't understand those technical terms you're talking about as 'frontal sinus' 'protrude' 'orbital rim' etc... BUT BRIEFLY I PERSONALLY SEE NOTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A MAN WITH YOUR FOREHEAD, HONESTLY! Ok so I conclude I take the risk going with Cardenas to do my entire face no matter what cos of his reasonable and good price.
The orbital rims are the bones over the eyes, the frontal sinus is the forehead area between the eyes. I didn't say that my forehead looks like a man's forehead, I was however pointing out that the frontal sinus still overhangs the bridge of my nose, which you typically don't see in genetic women. I received a good result with the type I, but I would have received an "optimal" or "better" result with type III. If you want to be aggressive with forehead, I would suggest type III.
Also I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from going to Dr. Cardenas, just that if you want him to be aggressive with your forehead and you don't want your frontal sinus to overhang anymore, then insist on type III. Type I and II have limitations... Dr. Cardenas will tell you that 90% of patients don't need type III, but it's the other way around, 90% do need it, it's the lucky few 10% who don't need it. I'm not sure the reason for his aversion to performing type III. Maybe he doesn't perform enough of them and doesn't feel comfortable? I'm not sure... I will be going back to Guadalajara for pics once everything is fully settled and will discuss it further with him.
Thanks for this! My main concern was my forehead. I wanted it as flat and feminine as possible, with barely any orbital rim bones or sinus bones showing. I guess I will have to go with the type III procedure, considering my forehead is identical to yours pre-op, if not worse.
Someone already asked but did he offer to do type III at all? Or was he generally hesitant about doing it and led you to do type II instead?
How do you feel about other parts of your face? I'm also doing my nose.
Edit: Nevermind. Just reread the posts on here. I guess he WAS hesitant to perform type III? :/
I asked him to do type III if we needed to and he said he would if that's what was necessary. He said after surgery we didn't need to... Well the definition of needing to or not needing to, needs to be defined first and foremost. In my personal opinion if type I or II won't set the sinus flush with the bridge of the nose, type III is needed. If your forehead was like mine, insist on type III and he will do it.
If you do go with type III with him, please let me know how it goes! I will be looking at your experience to determine if he is worth going back to, to re-do my forehead type III. When are you scheduled?
J
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 29, 2014, 03:59:57 AM
I asked him to do type III if we needed to and he said he would if that's what was necessary. He said after surgery we didn't need to... Well the definition of needing to or not needing to, needs to be defined first and foremost. In my opinion if type II won't set the sinus flush with the bridge of the nose, type III is needed. If your forehead was like mine, insist on type III and he will do it.
If you do go with type III with him, please let me know how it goes! I will be looking at your experience to determine if he is worth going back to, to re-do my forehead type III. When are you scheduled?
J
I think at this point I'm more than convinced that I will need type III, and I won't take no from him as an answer haha. I'm scheduled for June 21, so three weeks away. And yeah, I most definitely will post result pics here.
Tristan had type III model reconstruction with Dr Cardenas and the result looks good to me, a little more of what you and I are looking for. What do you think Jgirl? This is her vid.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mUHJH4WGdSA
Even 12 days out you look really amazing with a totally feminine face.
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 27, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
I recently had full FFS with Dr. Cardenas, including forehead. We did a type II procedure and this was fine for removing the orbital rim brow bossing, but it was NOT sufficient for setting the frontal sinus area back behind the bridge of my nose. My forehead is now smooth and convex in shape BUT it is apparent that my frontal sinus still protrudes some over the bridge of my nose, which you rarely see in genetic females. Yes, Dr. Cardenas can grind down the bossing on the orbital rims, but he cannot set back the frontal sinus with type II. If you are going to Cardenas and you have any doubts, suggest type III. I wish I had just done that... My forehead is good, but it's not "great" Unsure at this time if I will attempt type III with Cardenas or with someone else, perhaps DiMaggio at a later date.... Oofda!
12 days post-op: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenas%20Post%20Op?sort=3&page=1
Pre-op : http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/
Thanks for posting the video Romi, didn't know Tristan had a youtube channel! Love me some Tristan, x
How do you know Tristan had type III? I may have missed that she mentioned it? -J
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 29, 2014, 08:44:44 PM
How do you know Tristan had type III? I may have missed that she mentioned it? -J
She states in her video that she had "forehead remodeling," rather than bossing reduction done. It is my understanding that type III involves taking out the forehead bone, remodeling it, and then placing it back in? I could be wrong though. Either way Tristan's forehead looks really good and if forehead remodeling indeed equals type III procedure then I know which procedure I will be getting! :)
Edit: clarification. She mentions forehead remodeling around the 0:35 mark.
Here's another video from Tristan with her face more healed. I am loving her forehead.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8NnYW595E
Remodeling and brow bossing reduction could be used interchangeably - Ok, will wait to hear how your type III turns out! Best luck in Guadalajara girl, coming up fast! :)
Hello Jgirl76!! Fist I really want to thank you for sharing with us :) ... And i think you look very good, yep... the forehead is not exactly how it should be... but i think there was a big improve.. I feel very unconfotable when going out in public, cause of mi bone structure (horhead, nouse) but i think that if i had a result like yours ... maybe i would not feel that way anymore.. I think you should give some time for healing... going to job, and see how it goes... maybe with the nouse.. and everything you will notice that you pass for almost everyone.. I hope so... And well maybe now im saving for Dr D.. 2 years maybe.. or 3 :s
And.. i think He didnt want to make the type III cause.. he does not feel confortable doing that.. type III its a really brutal procedure... i´ve been asking to plastic surgerons in my city (Mexico city) and almost everyone says.. thats to invasive and experimental .. so i should avoid doing that... i know i need it, so .. the only reasonable thing is.. to go with someone who has done many of these "experimental procedure".. someone like dr B or Dr D.. but any way.. i do agree, its to invasive so.. dont know.. i really think you should give time to see how it goes .. maybe a type II is enought to live as a full time with out suspicious gazes... And i am really sorry about my suckin einglish.. :'(
You know girl, I had a closer look at you pics now, yes I would be annoyed too, good point first, the brow bossing that was obvious in front view isn't there anymore, bad point now, the profile view, although improved, didn't improve past the point where u say hey it's not where it should be but it's good enough, yet it's not bad enough where u can say did he do anything at all? He left u bang in the middle where you can see an improvement but u r still left wanting more... It would break my head (no pun intended), but really tho, I agree with comments above that you give it a few weeks, not cause of it changing much but more to see how you feel about it... I know some girls think it's all about passing, but for me, and probably was for you too, more than passing, it's about us looking in the mirror and seeing that male puberty thing on our face fully gone....
Quote from: calicarly on May 30, 2014, 02:17:51 AM
You know girl, I had a closer look at you pics now, yes I would be annoyed too, good point first, the brow bossing that was obvious in front view isn't there anymore, bad point now, the profile view, although improved, didn't improve past the point where u say hey it's not where it should be but it's good enough, yet it's not bad enough where u can say did he do anything at all? He left u bang in the middle where you can see an improvement but u r still left wanting more... It would break my head (no pun intended), but really tho, I agree with comments above that you give it a few weeks, not cause of it changing much but more to see how you feel about it... I know some girls think it's all about passing, but for me, and probably was for you too, more than passing, it's about us looking in the mirror and seeing that male puberty thing on our face fully gone....
EXACTLY! This isn't about passing, it's about looking in the mirror and seeing that sh*t gone! We may live in different countries, but you and I are cut from the same cloth sister...
I have written Dr. Cardenas about my concerns and I will post about his response when I receive it.
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 30, 2014, 10:17:37 AM
I have written Dr. Cardenas about my concerns and I will post about his response when I receive it.
Good luck girly! Hopefully he offers some sort of a free corrective procedure, if not let you pay the difference in price between type 2 and 3 so you can get the forehead you want. It's not your fault he was in a position to decide on the need for type 3 or not and failed in that decision.
Also, do you think I could maybe make use of your post-op photos here during my pre-surgery consultation with Dr C? Should he refuse to perform type 3 on me and be insistent that type 2 is enough when clearly it is not sufficient.
I think you look great, and I think you also pass. In fact, I am more than a little envious of your looks :P
That being said, I totally understand your frustration. It isn't really about just passing, and to be honest despite your brow bossing before, I assume you could probably pass before this, even if it is easier to do so now. There are aesthetic concerns when it comes to these procedures, and if you wanted your sinus further back, then you wanted your sinus further back.
I think the real question is, will Dr. C be willing to do a forehead aggressive enough to that point? For me, it is unimportant, I would be very happy personally with your sort of result, but I think it is an important thing to know, because not everyone would be happy with that result like I would. I also wonder how many have actually had a type III with Dr. C?
Quote from: Roni on May 30, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
Also, do you think I could maybe make use of your post-op photos here during my pre-surgery consultation with Dr C? Should he refuse to perform type 3 on me and be insistent that type 2 is enough when clearly it is not sufficient.
Roni you may absolutely use my photos... I have no problem with that whatsoever if you think it would help. Dr. Cardenas should understand that type II is good for brow bossing only, it really isn't good for setting the front sinus even/flush with the bridge of the nose. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but if you explain it like that, then maybe he will get it... I'm definitely looking to you in my decision as to whether or not I will go back to Cardenas for type III. Thanks for keeping me posted lady :)
Quote from: Hikari on May 30, 2014, 02:17:58 PM
I think you look great, and I think you also pass. In fact, I am more than a little envious of your looks :P
That being said, I totally understand your frustration. It isn't really about just passing, and to be honest despite your brow bossing before, I assume you could probably pass before this, even if it is easier to do so now. There are aesthetic concerns when it comes to these procedures, and if you wanted your sinus further back, then you wanted your sinus further back.
I think the real question is, will Dr. C be willing to do a forehead aggressive enough to that point? For me, it is unimportant, I would be very happy personally with your sort of result, but I think it is an important thing to know, because not everyone would be happy with that result like I would. I also wonder how many have actually had a type III with Dr. C?
Thank you for the compliments... I don't mean to seem ungrateful, I just didn't want a 2nd rate result when he could have given me an optimal result. I have my life ahead of me and this will undoubtedly bug me. I think what is most depressing is the idea of going through the surgery again... it is traumatic and a lot to recover from... I didn't exactly want to have to do it twice... and that is what I'm faced with now. My advice to everyone, do it right the first time, go type III if you have any doubts about your forehead, it's better than having to do it all over again...
Quote from: Roni on May 30, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
Also, do you think I could maybe make use of your post-op photos here during my pre-surgery consultation with Dr C? Should he refuse to perform type 3 on me and be insistent that type 2 is enough when clearly it is not sufficient.
Just received a response from Dr. Cardenas, he believes there is some swelling but I can tell where the bone is, and I'm pretty certain the frontal sinus overhang I see now will still be there in 6 months from now too. He wants me to wait 6 months, which is fine... but I already know what the problem is. He said type III comes with some risk of sinus infections, and that it is only reserved for the most masculine faces and wasn't needed on my face... I happen not to agree with him.
PS I would have this discussion with him BEFORE you go to Guadalajara...
wow that much luck finding someone recent surgery , the state recently eh guadalajara, in his office with Dr. Cardenas .
like you and many of course, the doc told me cardenas after examninarme and see my photos, I need the type III NO . which was strange to me because Dimmagio Spain and doctors told me that it is always better the result.
so the date I went to doctor's appointment (two weeks ago) , I looked for more information and photos of Dr. Cardenas their pasientes since been difficult because there is not much on the internet.
eh I met with you in this forum, and that's good.
anyway I would like to know who the doctor if asked cardenas type III? .
and truth as I see it, will not undergo surgery with promises until I type III , which will pay for the procedure , the doctor also takes pictures for archiving and students can check copn ray X if you really did , so today I will write you an email saying that if I will have the surgery but only with Type III reconstruction .
still, But someone alla cardenas passed the doctor and to me to decide?
greatly appreciate it because the front is the most important thing that I've been searching through all FFS surgeons .
Please can help me?
sorry for my English , but u from mexico DF city
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 30, 2014, 06:36:55 PM
Just received a response from Dr. Cardenas, he believes there is some swelling but I can tell where the bone is, and I'm pretty certain the frontal sinus overhang I see now will still be there in 6 months from now too. He wants me to wait 6 months, which is fine... but I already know what the problem is. He said type III comes with some risk of sinus infections, and that it is only reserved for the most masculine faces and wasn't needed on my face... I happen not to agree with him.
PS I would have this discussion with him BEFORE you go to Guadalajara so that way if you don't think he's gonna do it for you, you can cancel and go elsewhere. I now wish that I had gone to Dr. DiMaggio.
I also contacted Dr C's crew about my interest in the type III procedure. They explained that most MtFs don't really need it, and that the procedure in general is very invasive. Uh-oh. I'm going to have a lot of convincing to do. Thanks for letting me use your photos if need be! I will only refer to your photos should Dr C remain hesitant about type III. Somehow I can already see it though---he will probably bring it down to just swelling bla bla bla. I wish I had picked Dr DiMaggio also, but with my deposit money already given coupled with the fact that I simply can't afford Dr. D right now, I'll take my chances with Dr. C.
Taken directly from one of his staff's email:
"Yes, he does the type III procedure on a regular basis and the results are very good. But, he is not one of those FFS surgeons that believes that all patients need the more invasive procedure. In fact, the majority (perhaps 6 or 7 out of 10) really only need the bone contouring procedure. You'll have an opportunity to discuss your expectations for your forehead with Dr. Cardenas the day before your surgery. You can make your choice of the method used at that time after having the benefit of an in-person exam. Dr. Cardenas can show you results of both types during your consultation."
What do you think? Part of it sounds like they are against issuing type III procedures to anyone who simply asks it, while the latter half of the letter makes it sound like they are giving me free will in my decision, whatever it may be. :-\
For my surgery he said he would do type III if we need to... So I agreed to type I but that we would do type III if needed. The obvious problem is that I did need it and he failed to do it... because he thinks the result he gave me from type I was acceptable. I don't want acceptable, I want GREAT. I told him I wanted him to be aggressive. Yep, insist on type III. When is your surgery again? June...
I'd like to say he did an awesome job on mine, but I didn't have much of a protrusion to start with, so a Type 1 was good for me. If I had one real complaint, I think my jaw is still too wide, but I'll reserve final judgment on that after 1 year post op. If work is still needed, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 30, 2014, 08:26:07 PM
For my surgery he said he would do type III if we need to... So I agreed to type II but that we would do type III if needed. The obvious problem is that I did need it and he failed to do it... because he thinks the result he gave me from type II was acceptable. I don't want acceptable, I want GREAT, and I didn't get it. I told him I wanted him to be aggressive. Yep, insist on type III. When is your surgery again? June...
I understand perfectly, the DR.C I said exactly the same.
even showed me pictures where the type III did not look good. I saw pictures of the surgeries literal flesh and bone, I can confirm that it does.
but what will be the problem?
today you escrigo other mail, in addition to the first two weeks of June I will be traveling, and I do not answer emails on Dr. cardenas
Jgirl, I totally get where you're coming from with feeling that this or that wasn't done right, as I also had those feelings. Just give yourself a little time for things to settle into place. You're so new from surgery. I look a lot different now (6 weeks post op) than I did at 2 weeks, and I'm still changing. In the end, you may be completely justified in your feelings, and will need to go further to achieve the look you desire, and so may I. But just give it a little time. And just my two cents here, but you do look amazing and so beautiful already.
Quote from: AubreyN7 on May 31, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
Jgirl, I totally get where you're coming from with feeling that this or that wasn't done right, as I also had those feelings. Just give yourself a little time for things to settle into place. You're so new from surgery. I look a lot different now (6 weeks post op) than I did at 2 weeks, and I'm still changing. In the end, you may be completely justified in your feelings, and will need to go further to achieve the look you desire, and so may I. But just give it a little time. And just my two cents here, but you do look amazing and so beautiful already.
Thank you, Aubrey. Likewise! Maybe my expectations are too high, I'm not sure. I will give it some time as you suggest but I doubt the profile will change much, but here's to hoping!
Here is an actual side-by-side comparison. While not perfect, I think the change is positive overall regardless of the residual sinus prominence: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1
Take care of you :)
It is definitely a positive change. And your expectations should be high, as you've spent your hard-earned money on this. But I can tell you that my forehead has shrunk more than where it was at two weeks. And I think part of my problem was the difference from what I've seen in the mirror my whole life. It's a bit jarring. I do trust what I see and hear, tho, and all I hear from strangers now is "ma'am" and "she" and "her" when they refer to me, even without makeup. I do so like that. :D
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 31, 2014, 12:21:15 AM
Thank you, Aubrey. Likewise! Maybe my expectations are too high, I'm not sure. I will give it some time as you suggest but I doubt the profile will change much, but here's to hoping!
Here is an actual side-by-side comparison. While not perfect, I think the change is positive overall regardless of the residual sinus prominence: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1
Take care of you :)
Jgirl, your forehead actually looks MUCH better than your original post-op pics. Perhaps the side-by-side comparison helped. What does type II with Dr C entail exactly? Grinding down the brow bossing + bone cement?
Wow the change is incredible! Amazing result! Seriously, don't be harsh on yourself, you've got a beautiful, feminine profile.
Aubrey, I see what You meane when you say your jaw is too wide, I don't think it's the bone itself, it might be the swelling, muscle and skin overhanging, because now you have excess skin, plus at the end of the day, they can't shave much of your jaw, your teeth are in there... I had my jaw done with Chettawut, and he's known to be one of the most aggressive ones when it comes to jaw, and I can see he did shave a LOT, but because of my skin/swelling there, the result, looking straight ahead, is not different from how I looked before. Maybe facelift would fix that?
Yep Jgirl ... i think you look much better now :) seriosly ... :laugh:
I wish i had a result like that :'( ... and i agree.. 2 weeks its not enoght time for the final results :)
Crowcrow, there's a little bit of extra skin, but mine seems pretty elastic, and snaps back quickly if pulled. I still have some mild soreness when I press on my jaw/chin area, so I assume I'm still swollen. I'm gonna wait a year and see what the final result is. If I need more aggressive work or a facelift, I'll probably pursue it then. I just want to make sure all swelling has completely gone down and I'm fully healed before I start looking at more work.
Quote from: Roni on May 31, 2014, 05:48:22 AM
Jgirl, your forehead actually looks MUCH better than your original post-op pics. Perhaps the side-by-side comparison helped. What does type II with Dr C entail exactly? Grinding down the brow bossing + bone cement?
Dr. Cardenas says he did not use bone cement, just grinding... but I wonder. I'm not sure then if that is type II or type I, I would ask him. I definitely think there is a large improvement, I don't deny that, but there is still some overhang of the frontal sinus... which you don't see in type III procedure. Is it a good result? Yes it is, but is it a "10" No, in my mind a "10" means no frontal sinus overhang :) While this is a good result I think type III would have yielded a superior result.
you look fabulous Jgirl
wish my results will be as fabulous as yours
Quote from: shedevilcanada on May 31, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
you look fabulous Jgirl
wish my results will be as fabulous as yours
Thank you! Wishing you a speedy recovery and I hope for you that your results are good with the surgeon you chose.
Hmm... Maybe there's a reason surgeons avoid type 3 forehead contouring? At the end of the day, your health is the most important thing.
Keep us posted with what dr Cardenas answers :) Good luck
I'm sorry to hear things didn't turn out how you planned. For what it's worth, quite a few of my genetic female friends have the frontal sinus overhang like you do currently. Sadly, in my lifetime, I'll not be able to afford FFS(and am beyond hesitant to do a "go fund me" campaign like some do.) but it's wonderful to see these results and other women being pleased with their results.
For what it's worth you look amazing to me jgirl :)
If he didn't apply bone cement, then it is in fact "Type 1". Exactly the same procedure I had with Dr. Mayer in LA. Initially I was also kind of worried it would not be enough. Post op I gradually became more concerned about my nose, which I had him fix for me about a month and a half ago. Now I couldn't be happier.
I've also noticed a lot of natal women have frontal sinus that is farther out than the bridge of the nose... Actually a lot of extremely attractive females do. Just like yourself ;)
Give it some time, maybe you will warm up to the results as I did. It is obviously already a huge improvement- he did seem to take off quite a lot!
Also, I've talked with Tristan a lot over IM; a while ago she told me she had the Type I shave as well with Dr. C.
Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2014, 04:30:52 AM
For what it's worth you look amazing to me jgirl :)
If he didn't apply bone cement, then it is in fact "Type 1". Exactly the same procedure I had with Dr. Mayer in LA. Initially I was also kind of worried it would not be enough. Post op I gradually became more concerned about my nose, which I had him fix for me about a month and a half ago. Now I couldn't be happier.
I've also noticed a lot of natal women have frontal sinus that is farther out than the bridge of the nose... Actually a lot of extremely attractive females do. Just like yourself ;)
Give it some time, maybe you will warm up to the results as I did. It is obviously already a huge improvement- he did seem to take off quite a lot!
Also, I've talked with Tristan a lot over IM; a while ago she told me she had the Type I shave as well with Dr. C.
Yup, orbital rim grinding/shaving is usually considered Type I (at least by European surgeons), which I consider to do as well some time in the future (after I have gotten my nose fixed). And indeed quite a lot of women have their sinuses overhanging bridge of the nose - if You would google celebrity profiles, or simply female profiles, You will see that it is fairly common and nobody seems to be concerned about that small facial feature - and I mean, there are many celebrities, who could afford that being fixed without even charging their banking account.
And jgirl - You ARE looking great :).
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on June 01, 2014, 04:50:01 AM
if You would google celebrity profiles, or simply female profiles, You will see that it is fairly common
My thoughts exactly.
Google image search for "female facial profile"
First result :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVzLWKad.png&hash=d31470992fa09ce3ca9aa30e4e042d15681cd34d)
Also take note of the jaw, very angular
Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2014, 04:30:52 AM
For what it's worth you look amazing to me jgirl :)
If he didn't apply bone cement, then it is in fact "Type 1". Exactly the same procedure I had with Dr. Mayer in LA. Initially I was also kind of worried it would not be enough. Post op I gradually became more concerned about my nose, which I had him fix for me about a month and a half ago. Now I couldn't be happier.
I've also noticed a lot of natal women have frontal sinus that is farther out than the bridge of the nose... Actually a lot of extremely attractive females do. Just like yourself ;)
Give it some time, maybe you will warm up to the results as I did. It is obviously already a huge improvement- he did seem to take off quite a lot!
Also, I've talked with Tristan a lot over IM; a while ago she told me she had the Type I shave as well with Dr. C.
Jenny's right. I was looking at a lot of my female cis-friends' foreheads today, and also a lot of the female customers I interacted with at work. Plenty of them had their frontal sinuses hanging over their noses.
I think our issue, Jgirl, is that we simply find flatter foreheads more appealing and "beautiful'." I myself want a completely flat sinus area because a lot of the women I find pretty and aspire to look like have foreheads only the type III procedure can effectively create.
Hi jgirl76,
I can totally relate to what you are going through. I had FFS a couple years ago and I'm not satisfied with the result. An improvement was made BUT the ending result was not what I expected which was to pass in public but more importantly, be happy with what I see in the mirror.
For what it's worth, I believe your facial features are stunning! However, it doesn't matter what I believe. Ultimately, what matters is what you believe.
If you do decide to have a 2nd round of FFS, I wish you the best of luck. It is on my to-do list.
Quote from: Roni on June 01, 2014, 06:46:19 AM
Jenny's right. I was looking at a lot of my female cis-friends' foreheads today, and also a lot of the female customers I interacted with at work. Plenty of them had their frontal sinuses hanging over their noses.
I think our issue, Jgirl, is that we simply find flatter foreheads more appealing and "beautiful'." I myself want a completely flat sinus area because a lot of the women I find pretty and aspire to look like have foreheads only the type III procedure can effectively create.
Exactly Roni! We're on the same page. Foreheads without frontal sinus overhang are generally more attractive and feminine. Setting the sinus back really opens up the eyes and that really helps to offset masculinity in a trans face in my opinion. Go for it!
Quote from: JenJen2011 on June 01, 2014, 08:07:21 AM
Hi jgirl76,
I can totally relate to what you are going through. I had FFS a couple years ago and I'm not satisfied with the result. An improvement was made BUT the ending result was not what I expected which was to pass in public but more importantly, be happy with what I see in the mirror.
For what it's worth, I believe your facial features are stunning! However, it doesn't matter what I believe. Ultimately, what matters is what you believe.
If you do decide to have a 2nd round of FFS, I wish you the best of luck. It is on my to-do list.
Good luck to you on that! I too will likely be re-doing my FFS at some point... A revision to primary FFS is not exactly uncommon. All the best!
Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2014, 04:54:46 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Google image search for "female facial profile"
First result :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVzLWKad.png&hash=d31470992fa09ce3ca9aa30e4e042d15681cd34d)
Also take note of the jaw, very angular
I know this is splitting hairs, but she has less overhang than I do. Her forehead is mostly set behind her eyes. See how open her eyes look and how the contour from nose to forehead is almost completely smooth? I get where you're going with this picture, but it's not exactly the same hehe :)
So this is my LAST POST on this thread -
Type I and II can be good for reducing brow bossing but ONLY TYPE III can set the frontal sinus back. If your frontal sinus overhangs your nose and you want that GONE and you are going to Cardenas, then insist on type III if you want that removed, otherwise your sinus may still overhang the bridge of your nose and you "might" be faced with the prospect of having to do another procedure. Good luck ladies! :) XOXOXO
I am in the process of planning what I want done to my face sorted with Dr Cardenas. This thread has been very useful in not only emphasising the importance of communicating expectations but also in working out what is most important to me. I am not too concerned with my forehead as at my age, trying to be as beautiful as possible just isn't worth it. Time has done just too much!! That said, the investment in my face with electrolysis and with FFS to come is a lot so I am after the best I can afford.
Thank you jgirl76 for being so open with us and well done everyone else for providing comments and opinions without the thread being locked. A few promising threads have been destroyed by pointless bickering. By continuing a constructive discussion, I have settled a few things about what I want from FFS.
jgirl76, as others have said, even if I think you are going to be gorgeous (you already are!), that doesn't matter. It is what you feel about your appearance that is so much more important. This is (like a lot of transition stuff) about you. I wish you all the very best.
Emma
Dont be so harsh on yourself, you dont know what changes will the HRT bring in time, good luck with everything!
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 01, 2014, 03:48:08 PM
Dont be so harsh on yourself, you dont know what changes will the HRT bring in time, good luck with everything!
I'm not being harsh on myself, this isn't a criticism, it is a fact that only type III can set the sinus back behind the bridge of the nose in most cases. I have been on HRT for 18 years.... :-)
Quote from: EmmaD on June 01, 2014, 03:26:49 PM
I am in the process of planning what I want done to my face sorted with Dr Cardenas. This thread has been very useful in not only emphasising the importance of communicating expectations but also in working out what is most important to me. I am not too concerned with my forehead as at my age, trying to be as beautiful as possible just isn't worth it. Time has done just too much!! That said, the investment in my face with electrolysis and with FFS to come is a lot so I am after the best I can afford.
Thank you jgirl76 for being so open with us and well done everyone else for providing comments and opinions without the thread being locked. A few promising threads have been destroyed by pointless bickering. By continuing a constructive discussion, I have settled a few things about what I want from FFS.
jgirl76, as others have said, even if I think you are going to be gorgeous (you already are!), that doesn't matter. It is what you feel about your appearance that is so much more important. This is (like a lot of transition stuff) about you. I wish you all the very best.
Emma
Emma you're welcome. The primary goal of this thread is to help prospective Cardenas patients make the most informed decision. If I've been able to help one person after me, it was worth it. All-in-all the result I got was good. I will likely be back for some revisions but I like Cardenas very much. He is a good surgeon at the end of the day and he is worth a look for anyone wanting quality work at less than half the cost.
Thank you jgirl your candid account and picture Have told me what I wanted to know ever since I learned
About ffs. That Cardenas is and will be a very wise choice for me.
This is what I have for him to work with. My concern over forehead is
Now settled. My most pressing concern is tracheal shave since mine
Is the like the ultimate dudebro Adams apple :'(
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1277.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy488%2Fxchristine100%2Fonline%2520pics%2FIMAG0118_zpsf4fd44df.jpg&hash=ff4c8591617e442eb40aa60e0dbb70ef3606492b)
And Aubreyn7 can you please message me I would like to kindly ask
You about your cardenas experience
xNatasha I had my trach done as well and it was no little itty bitty apple either. I have a very passable voice and I was concerned that I would be risking it with the procedure. I'm happy to say that not only was there ZERO damage to my voice, but that Dr. Cardenas successfully removed all of the cartilage. The biggest thing to deal with post surgery is the scar. I massage the incision with vitamin E oil to try and break up the scar tissue so that it will blend more. I may eventually get some laser to diminish it, but I only had surgery 2 weeks ago so it's too early to tell. If you go to Cardenas all the best to you! PS I can tell that your forehead looks really smooth already, lucky girl.
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 01, 2014, 05:13:41 PM
I'm not being harsh on myself, this isn't a criticism, it is a fact that only type III can set the sinus back behind the bridge of the nose in most cases. I have been on HRT for 18 years.... :-)
I meant to said it to Emma, should have quoted her lol sorry for misunderstanding :) her timeline says she is 8 months on hrt
Thanks for mentioning dt Cardenas successfully removed all of your trachea bits and bobs! Such a positive information
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 02, 2014, 01:09:21 AM
I meant to said it to Emma, should have quoted her lol sorry for misunderstanding :) her timeline says she is 8 months on hrt
Thanks for mentioning dt Cardenas successfully removed all of your trachea bits and bobs! Such a positive information
I am often too harsh but perhaps more realistic given at 52 and had large weight loss, my face is suffering the effects of gravity. Actually, given Dr Cardenas wants to do more soft tissue work with my face, eyes and neck, I am hopeful for a nice result. He doesn't want to do much to my forehead which I am Ok with. I intend to explain exactly what that little bit needs to end up like though. He doesn't want to touch my jaw or chin which is a bit of a surprise and the chin at least may get added to the list! My nose is on the list and that is not negotiable!! Trachea may get a look once he can see and feel it.
Given personal consults aren't easy or affordable when you live at the bottom of the planet, I am relying on assessments of photos to see who is way out compared the others. So far, Cardenas and the Facial Team are the same with Chet offering everything he does (including Type III where the others are Type I)! I actually thought Chet was just sending is list of procedures but he included a lengthy assessment of my face at the same time under each procedure. Without a consult in person, I am expecting to have to be flexible in settling on what I want done and settle on that the day before. Thats why I need to have a clear idea of what I want and what is possible. I really appreciate this sort of discussion as it helps hugely in getting my head around the problem of my head :D
Quote from: EmmaD on June 02, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
I am often too harsh but perhaps more realistic given at 52 and had large weight loss, my face is suffering the effects of gravity. Actually, given Dr Cardenas wants to do more soft tissue work with my face, eyes and neck, I am hopeful for a nice result. He doesn't want to do much to my forehead which I am Ok with. I intend to explain exactly what that little bit needs to end up like though. He doesn't want to touch my jaw or chin which is a bit of a surprise and the chin at least may get added to the list! My nose is on the list and that is not negotiable!! Trachea may get a look once he can see and feel it.
Given personal consults aren't easy or affordable when you live at the bottom of the planet, I am relying on assessments of photos to see who is way out compared the others. So far, Cardenas and the Facial Team are the same with Chet offering everything he does (including Type III where the others are Type I)! I actually thought Chet was just sending is list of procedures but he included a lengthy assessment of my face at the same time under each procedure. Without a consult in person, I am expecting to have to be flexible in settling on what I want done and settle on that the day before. Thats why I need to have a clear idea of what I want and what is possible. I really appreciate this sort of discussion as it helps hugely in getting my head around the problem of my head :D
I'm not surprised as Dr. Cardenas does FFS but also specializes in facial rejuvenation which can be just as important to feminizing the face. For the cost and the level of care provided he is a solid choice.
Quote from: jgirl76 on May 27, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
I recently had full FFS with Dr. Cardenas, including forehead. We did a type I procedure and this was fine for removing the orbital rim brow bossing, but it was NOT sufficient for setting the frontal sinus area back behind the bridge of my nose. My forehead is now smooth and convex in shape BUT it is apparent that my frontal sinus still protrudes some over the bridge of my nose, which you rarely see in genetic females. Yes, Dr. Cardenas can grind down the bossing on the orbital rims, but he cannot set back the frontal sinus with type I or II. If you are going to Cardenas and you have any doubts, suggest type III. I wish I had just done that... My forehead is good, but it's not "great" Unsure at this time if I will attempt type III with Cardenas or with someone else, perhaps DiMaggio at a later date.
Overall I feel I received a good result, Dr. Lazaro Cardenas is a fine surgeon and the care I received was excellent.
Pre-op photos : http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/
Hi jgirl, I too had surgery with Dr C last August. All the surgeries cost me $16′500. He done as little as he could get away with, yes my forehead is better as is my nose, chin and ears, but they all have to be done again. Some people say that he is too conservative, as did I, but he simply does not put the effort and time in that is required to make a "fantastic" result, he just about does enough...... kind of....."Meh that'll do". I am not going back to him, even if he would do the revisions for free, which he wont, he actually wants me to pay another $8′000. Needless to say, Im still looking for another surgeon.
Quote from: TearDrops on June 07, 2014, 07:08:28 PM
Hi jgirl, I too had surgery with Dr C last August. All the surgeries cost me $16′500. He done as little as he could get away with, yes my forehead is better as is my nose, chin and ears, but they all have to be done again. Some people say that he is too conservative, as did I, but he simply does not put the effort and time in that is required to make a "fantastic" result, he just about does enough...... kind of....."Meh that'll do". I am not going back to him, even if he would do the revisions for free, which he wont, he actually wants me to pay another $8′000. Needless to say, Im still looking for another surgeon.
Hi TearDrops :)
I was wondering if you had any pre-op and post-op result pics that you could PM me? I am getting increasingly worried that I may have picked the wrong surgeon for my FFS. I am scheduled with Dr Cardenas in exactly two weeks. It's fine if you don't give out your pics.
Maybe it's about the fact that at the end of the day, these are feminising surgeries, not beautifying, per se. They are supposed to repair what testosterone has done and bring it to the female scale so to speak.
Do you mean he is too conservative when it comes to what surgeries? Forehead and jaw? Thanks for responding
I've seen some time ago, FFS results, from I guess year 2013, by dr Suporn, and I could tell he always aims to achieve natural looking results, that wouldn't be considered to be "beautiful" by many, they just made her face more passable.
Quote from: Roni on June 07, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
Hi TearDrops :)
I was wondering if you had any pre-op and post-op result pics that you could PM me? I am getting increasingly worried that I may have picked the wrong surgeon for my FFS. I am scheduled with Dr Cardenas in exactly two weeks. It's fine if you don't give out your pics.
Roni, I think Cardenas is good but I would have gone with type III as you already know. I also think the inner part of my eye brows by the bridge of my nose were not raised enough. I also would have done cheek implants or fat to the cheeks and temples to get rid of the hollowness, but he didn't recommend that. I think he did a good job on my chin, but the corners of my jaw were not touched and ultimately I feel that my face remains too square because of the "flaring" that was left on the corners of the jaw. It's almost been a month since surgery but I just have a feeling that I'm not "finished". Additionally the fat infiltration to the lips was a waste of time (it hasn't lasted) I wish I had gone with the lip lift that he suggested, but I didn't. What else... I feel the stitch job that was completed was a bit sloppy, a lot of my hair has been sewn into the incision and is festering in some places. A local plastic surgeon said it may resolve on it's own, but if not then I'll need to have it resolved. He said it's not uncommon for this kind of surgery BUT STILL I think they could have done a better stitch job.
Do I look better and more feminized? Yes absolutely... but do I feel like I got the result I really wanted? Not completely. I will require a revision... I'm just not sure if I will go to him for that or to another surgeon.... The idea of another surgery right now feels daunting.
If you have any misgivings about your choice then I would speak with Dr. Cardenas himself about your concerns/expectations of the surgery ASAP. I have to be honest the most dramatic results I've seen for around the price that Cardenas is charging, come from DiMaggio. If I don't end up doing my revision with Dr. Cardenas then I will be going to Buenos Aires more than likely.
One other thing to consider... DiMaggio's jaw work really isn't that spectacular, in my mind anyway. His strong suit is really foreheads... If you think you can get a good type III result from Cardenas and your jaw is also of concern to you, then I think Cardenas does good work on the lower face. Tere, his wife does the rhinoplasties. She completely respected my wishes regarding my nose. If your jaw really isn't a big concern, and your concern is mostly forehead related, then DiMaggio might be a better choice. Without knowing what you look like I really can't say. At the end of the day I don't think Cardenas is a bad choice, I think you just need to have a very clear idea of what your expectations are, what you want to see changed and communicate it directly. Keep us posted on what you decide in the days approaching!
Quote from: TearDrops on June 07, 2014, 07:08:28 PM
Hi jgirl, I too had surgery with Dr C last August. All the surgeries cost me $16′500. He done as little as he could get away with, yes my forehead is better as is my nose, chin and ears, but they all have to be done again. Some people say that he is too conservative, as did I, but he simply does not put the effort and time in that is required to make a "fantastic" result, he just about does enough...... kind of....."Meh that'll do". I am not going back to him, even if he would do the revisions for free, which he wont, he actually wants me to pay another $8′000. Needless to say, Im still looking for another surgeon.
I agree with you, I think he could have done more with my face too... I will be going back to Guadalajara to discuss it with him in about 6 months and we'll see what he says. Any idea what other surgeon you are considering for revision?
Thanks Jgirl for all the infos, it's a true blessing to have You here, Thank You!
How big was your lip enhancement? Did he inject a lot of fat in your lips? I was thinking of getting my lip enhanced with my own fat, hoping to get a very, very big lips, I just want my lips to look hmm.. just very, very full. It's what I like. How much fat have you had injected? Did it all just disappear?
One suggestion I might add, if you're thinking of a liplift, I've had teosyal global injected in my lips in Jan 2012, this type of substance was supposed to vanish overtime, during the course of 2 years, yet, 2,5 years later, my lips are definitely bigger than before the surgery. and the way the surgeon injected this substance was in order to make my upper lip higher, and it definitely is. Just a food for thought as having teosyal injected is cheaper than getting a liplift.
I was thinking of getting a liplift but after seeing before and after pics, the result is so minimal, the price is so high, I remain unconvinced.
How do you feel about your nosejob done by Cardenas' wife? My biggest concern is my tip, especially when I smile, it just gets twice the size it s when I don't smile :/ Can't look at myself.
Thank You!
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 08, 2014, 04:21:51 AM
Thanks Jgirl for all the infos, it's a true blessing to have You here, Thank You!
How big was your lip enhancement? Did he inject a lot of fat in your lips? I was thinking of getting my lip enhanced with my own fat, hoping to get a very, very big lips, I just want my lips to look hmm.. just very, very full. It's what I like. How much fat have you had injected? Did it all just disappear?
One suggestion I might add, if you're thinking of a liplift, I've had teosyal global injected in my lips in Jan 2012, this type of substance was supposed to vanish overtime, during the course of 2 years, yet, 2,5 years later, my lips are definitely bigger than before the surgery. and the way the surgeon injected this substance was in order to make my upper lip higher, and it definitely is. Just a food for thought as having teosyal injected is cheaper than getting a liplift.
I was thinking of getting a liplift but after seeing before and after pics, the result is so minimal, the price is so high, I remain unconvinced.
How do you feel about your nosejob done by Cardenas' wife? My biggest concern is my tip, especially when I smile, it just gets twice the size it s when I don't smile :/ Can't look at myself.
Thank You!
You're welcome! My lips were VERY full after surgery but all of that has disappeared now less than a month later... Individual results may vary, but for myself I didn't feel it was worth it. It was essentially a thousand bucks down the drain! I feel good about my nose... I asked Tere to be conservative with the idea that we can always do more later. There may still be too much outward projection but the width was narrowed and the hump in my nose was taken out while maintaining the straight "Romanesque" slope that is characteristic of my family. I didn't have any tip work completed so I couldn't tell you unfortunately. I won't know final results for 6 months to a year, but things look good so far. See my side-by-side photos here: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1
I truly see an amazing difference in the way you look but I fully respect and understand your concerns.
Hmm... Why did it disappear though... Is it personal? Is it surgeon's fault? I know patients who have had their lips enhanced with fat and the results have been amazing. Weird... I'm worried now. I need to be a lot smarter with my money now, as I've lost a lot on Chet already.
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 03:59:34 AM
I agree with you, I think he could have done more with my face too... I will be going back to Guadalajara to discuss it with him in about 6 months and we'll see what he says. Any idea what other surgeon you are considering for revision?
I'm still researching who will do my next surgery. I've had prices from FacialTeam[Spain], Dr Chettawut[Thailand], Femilife[Peru] and T. Change[Argentina]. Im going to look at Dr Di Maggios new site and some more of the Thai surgeons, and I wonder has anybody had any surgery with Dr Javier Rossi. I'm going to put another post up asking for input on the subject. Oh, also I am very suspicious of Tristan's input, as on her video she states the dates of her recent surgery, yet Ive been reading comments from her for two to three years now, always praising Dr C, it is very strange, unless she actually had to go back and get hers all redone by him, because it really was not good enough first time around [in which case why has she been praising him for the last 2 or 3 years]. I'm sure she will clear it up, if she reads this, or maybe she wont, because she cant!!
Quote from: Roni on June 07, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
Hi TearDrops :)
I was wondering if you had any pre-op and post-op result pics that you could PM me? I am getting increasingly worried that I may have picked the wrong surgeon for my FFS. I am scheduled with Dr Cardenas in exactly two weeks. It's fine if you don't give out your pics.
I'm sorry Roni I cant. I'm still living in male mode until I'm a little bit further down the line with transitioning. I have to stay incognito as I used to be well known locally, as an amateur and professional sports person. When the time is right, the male me will suddenly disappear forever, and hopefully no one will ever know who this new person is [except for my family]. Either that or I will have to move from my beautiful home and this beautiful area, to somewhere else.
Okay teardrops I am getting very suspicious of your claims now.
First you are very early in transition and in male mode?
And you went for ffs? Not sure if I should dismiss or not.
My face has changed so so much after 18 months of transition
Level hormones that I can see the girl actually trying to break out.
Thing is though its pretty much common knowlwdge to let the hrt
Do as much to your face before you do ffs. Coz you might nor even look
Good after in the end. And all I heard so far was an excuse to NOT post a before
After. Transition is funny there is no correct way but many ways to do it wrong
For Natasha and TearDrops - My take on TearDrops feedback - There are trans women in male mode who get FFS before hormones and being full-time. Most people agree that FFS before hormones and living fulltime is putting the cart before the horse, but some people do this... It's not entirely unheard of. At any rate, let's keep it cool so we can keep this thread open and the discussion going.
Cheers,
Jonnie
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 08, 2014, 06:07:20 AM
I truly see an amazing difference in the way you look but I fully respect and understand your concerns.
Hmm... Why did it disappear though... Is it personal? Is it surgeon's fault? I know patients who have had their lips enhanced with fat and the results have been amazing. Weird... I'm worried now. I need to be a lot smarter with my money now, as I've lost a lot on Chet already.
Thank you for the compliment! I don't disagree with you, Dr. Cardenas has made some beautiful changes to my face, but there are some things I'm not satisfied with that will require a revision. In all HONESTY though revisions are not UNHEARD of with FFS, it is actually somewhat commonplace - It doesn't necessarily mean the surgeon did a "bad" job. Cardenas did a good job on me, but there are some things that could be better.
I don't know why the fat injected to my lips has disappeared, I guess everyone is different? I personally would not do it again unless he wants to throw it in as a freebie as part of a lip lift procedure :) So far, all of my dealings with Dr. Cardenas before and after surgery have been wonderful and I'm looking forward to meeting with him again to review and further discuss next steps for my face. I will choose him for the revision work if I feel confident in his ability to do it and I feel that he "wants" to work on me again. If he is resistant or I feel a lack of confidence then I will look elsewhere, BUT I'm hoping he will still be the one I can trust. I really do like him and his team.
Jonnie
Quote from: xNatasha on June 08, 2014, 12:41:55 PM
Okay teardrops I am getting very suspicious of your claims now.
First you are very early in transition and in male mode?
And you went for ffs? Not sure if I should dismiss or not.
My face has changed so so much after 18 months of transition
Level hormones that I can see the girl actually trying to break out.
Thing is though its pretty much common knowlwdge to let the hrt
Do as much to your face before you do ffs. Coz you might nor even look
Good after in the end. And all I heard so far was an excuse to NOT post a before
After. Transition is funny there is no correct way but many ways to do it wrong
I do not understand what there is to be suspicious about. Every one has the choice which way they want to make their journey. I have now been on hormones for two and a half months, I was undecided about when to start taking hormones, because of the dangers they pose to your health, so I have put them on hold for a long time. In the meantime I have grown my hair [head], I have had all the hair removed from my face and body with laser and electrolysis, and had FFS, in an effort to look as feminine as possible, before making my decision on, if and when I would start taking hormones. No amount of hormones would have changed my nose, chin or forehead. My face has great possibilities if I could get the right surgeon. After reading, and taking in what everyone else has been saying about the hormones and what they can do, I decided to start on them. Now I realise I probably would have been much better off financially, if I started the hormones a long time ago, as my face is changing a lot, even after just two and half months, and the hair would have been much easier and quicker to get rid of permanently. Now, in hindsight I would have done it the other way round, but also, in hindsight, I wouldn't of had my FFS with Dr Cardenas. I have made mistakes, but like I said its everyone's own private and personal journey. I know for absolute certain that I am doing the right thing in keeping what's going on with me, private, confidential, and to myself. Up to now I have managed to excuse, to all the people that know me, and who matter, every action that I have taken, with imaginative, believable, and very convincing reasons as to why I have done what I've done. Soon I will have to come clean or just disappear, as I am fast becoming more feminine looking, in every way. However, Ive always known that my nose, chin and forehead will not be affected by any amount of hormones, so there is urgency in me getting information for the right surgeon this time, as I do not want to make another mistake. That is why I joined this website forum in the first place, to get information. Now that I have had some experience with FFS myself, I am sharing that experience on this site, so as to help people make informed decisions for them selves. I hope this message helps ease your "suspicious mind" ............Now I want to listen to Elvis!! :)
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 08, 2014, 04:21:51 AM
Thanks Jgirl for all the infos, it's a true blessing to have You here, Thank You!
How big was your lip enhancement? Did he inject a lot of fat in your lips? I was thinking of getting my lip enhanced with my own fat, hoping to get a very, very big lips, I just want my lips to look hmm.. just very, very full. It's what I like. How much fat have you had injected? Did it all just disappear?
One suggestion I might add, if you're thinking of a liplift, I've had teosyal global injected in my lips in Jan 2012, this type of substance was supposed to vanish overtime, during the course of 2 years, yet, 2,5 years later, my lips are definitely bigger than before the surgery. and the way the surgeon injected this substance was in order to make my upper lip higher, and it definitely is. Just a food for thought as having teosyal injected is cheaper than getting a liplift.
I was thinking of getting a liplift but after seeing before and after pics, the result is so minimal, the price is so high, I remain unconvinced.
How do you feel about your nosejob done by Cardenas' wife? My biggest concern is my tip, especially when I smile, it just gets twice the size it s when I don't smile :/ Can't look at myself.
Thank You!
you should look into VY advancement for lips instead of lip lift
Quote from: TearDrops on June 08, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
I do not understand what there is to be suspicious about. Every one has the choice which way they want to make their journey. I have now been on hormones for two and a half months, I was undecided about when to start taking hormones, because of the dangers they pose to your health, so I have put them on hold for a long time. In the meantime I have grown my hair [head], I have had all the hair removed from my face and body with laser and electrolysis, and had FFS, in an effort to look as feminine as possible, before making my decision on, if and when I would start taking hormones. No amount of hormones would have changed my nose, chin or forehead. My face has great possibilities if I could get the right surgeon. After reading, and taking in what everyone else has been saying about the hormones and what they can do, I decided to start on them. Now I realise I probably would have been much better off financially, if I started the hormones a long time ago, as my face is changing a lot, even after just two and half months, and the hair would have been much easier and quicker to get rid of permanently. Now, in hindsight I would have done it the other way round, but also, in hindsight, I wouldn't of had my FFS with Dr Cardenas. I have made mistakes, but like I said its everyone's own private and personal journey. I know for absolute certain that I am doing the right thing in keeping what's going on with me, private, confidential, and to myself. Up to now I have managed to excuse, to all the people that know me, and who matter, every action that I have taken, with imaginative, believable, and very convincing reasons as to why I have done what I've done. Soon I will have to come clean or just disappear, as I am fast becoming more feminine looking, in every way. However, Ive always known that my nose, chin and forehead will not be affected by any amount of hormones, so there is urgency in me getting information for the right surgeon this time, as I do not want to make another mistake. That is why I joined this website forum in the first place, to get information. Now that I have had some experience with FFS myself, I am sharing that experience on this site, so as to help people make informed decisions for them selves. I hope this message helps ease your "suspicious mind" ............Now I want to listen to Elvis!! :)
Really suggest that we try to keep the post about Cardenas and the topic focused on FFS. These long narratives clog up the thread and are not useful to anyone. Please consider removing it or shortening it up. Thanks, Jonnie
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 04:57:05 AM
You're welcome! My lips were VERY full after surgery but all of that has disappeared now less than a month later... Individual results may vary, but for myself I didn't feel it was worth it. It was essentially a thousand bucks down the drain! I feel good about my nose... I asked Tere to be conservative with the idea that we can always do more later. There may still be too much outward projection but the width was narrowed and the hump in my nose was taken out while maintaining the straight "Romanesque" slope that is characteristic of my family. I didn't have any tip work completed so I couldn't tell you unfortunately. I won't know final results for 6 months to a year, but things look good so far. See my side-by-side photos here: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1
I agree with you Jonnie, I had fat transfer in Peru and for the first few days they looked full but after that it all disappeared, waste of time.
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 04:57:05 AM
You're welcome! My lips were VERY full after surgery but all of that has disappeared now less than a month later... Individual results may vary, but for myself I didn't feel it was worth it. It was essentially a thousand bucks down the drain! I feel good about my nose... I asked Tere to be conservative with the idea that we can always do more later. There may still be too much outward projection but the width was narrowed and the hump in my nose was taken out while maintaining the straight "Romanesque" slope that is characteristic of my family. I didn't have any tip work completed so I couldn't tell you unfortunately. I won't know final results for 6 months to a year, but things look good so far. See my side-by-side photos here: http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/library/Cardenasprofilecomparison?sort=3&page=1
Jonnie love your nose, it is beautiful and feminine
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 02:07:54 PM
For Natasha and TearDrops - My take on TearDrops feedback - There are trans women in male mode who get FFS before hormones and being full-time. Most people agree that FFS before hormones and living fulltime is putting the cart before the horse, but some people do this... It's not entirely unheard of. At any rate, let's keep it cool so we can keep this thread open and the discussion going.
Cheers,
Jonnie
Thank you Jonnie, I'm the perfect example, still living as a male because of private issues but had multiple FFS and butt implants
Quote from: TearDrops on June 08, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
I do not understand what there is to be suspicious about. Every one has the choice which way they want to make their journey. I have now been on hormones for two and a half months, I was undecided about when to start taking hormones, because of the dangers they pose to your health, so I have put them on hold for a long time. In the meantime I have grown my hair [head], I have had all the hair removed from my face and body with laser and electrolysis, and had FFS, in an effort to look as feminine as possible, before making my decision on, if and when I would start taking hormones. No amount of hormones would have changed my nose, chin or forehead. My face has great possibilities if I could get the right surgeon. After reading, and taking in what everyone else has been saying about the hormones and what they can do, I decided to start on them. Now I realise I probably would have been much better off financially, if I started the hormones a long time ago, as my face is changing a lot, even after just two and half months, and the hair would have been much easier and quicker to get rid of permanently. Now, in hindsight I would have done it the other way round, but also, in hindsight, I wouldn't of had my FFS with Dr Cardenas. I have made mistakes, but like I said its everyone's own private and personal journey. I know for absolute certain that I am doing the right thing in keeping what's going on with me, private, confidential, and to myself. Up to now I have managed to excuse, to all the people that know me, and who matter, every action that I have taken, with imaginative, believable, and very convincing reasons as to why I have done what I've done. Soon I will have to come clean or just disappear, as I am fast becoming more feminine looking, in every way. However, Ive always known that my nose, chin and forehead will not be affected by any amount of hormones, so there is urgency in me getting information for the right surgeon this time, as I do not want to make another mistake. That is why I joined this website forum in the first place, to get information. Now that I have had some experience with FFS myself, I am sharing that experience on this site, so as to help people make informed decisions for them selves. I hope this message helps ease your "suspicious mind" ............Now I want to listen to Elvis!! :)
Teardrops, seems you are me. After reading this, I could swear you are me. I f you would like PM me, I would love to chat with you and see your perspective and maybe help each other in our journey.
Merci Shiela! :)
Yep! And this thread was not started so that people could defend their transition strategy against people online who they don't even know. It would be greatly appreciated if TearDrops and XNatasha would just remove the accusatory comments altogether. Again, not what this thread is about. If we continue to go down the road of my way vs. your way, I will have a moderator lock this thread down.
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 08, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
Really suggest that we try to keep the post about Cardenas and the topic focused on FFS. These long narratives clog up the thread and are not useful to anyone. Please consider removing it or shortening it up. Thanks, Jonnie
Sorry jgirl, I was just defending myself, although I did mention Dr Cardenas :)
Quote from: TearDrops on June 08, 2014, 09:52:34 PM
Sorry jgirl, I was just defending myself, although I did mention Dr Cardenas :)
:)
Shedevil, thanks so much for posting info about V to Y lip enhancement technique, I've never heard of it, and I'm looking to hopefully get very, very big lips.
JGirl, You said you lost a thousand bucks on fat transfer to lips that didn't last, is it the price of the fat injection on its own, or liposuction and fat injection? Thanks for answering
:police:
I want people to be very aware that I am now looking at FFS threads and will moderate if posts go against ToS.
Moderation can and may remove your ability to post.
Cindy
UPDATE 6/11/14 I'm 4 weeks out from surgery with Dr. Cardenas and you can still see my sinus, especially in the light. Noticeable shadow on the right side, which is my left side (See picture below) Type III will be needed to resolve this so I will need a revision... Not sure at this point if I will go back to Cardenas or to someone else. I feel that I look good but I really don't want to see any bossing or sinus shadow... Wish we did this right the 1st time! The idea of having to do this again is just daunting... The idea of opening that incision back up again... whew....
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa532%2Fjgirlpacific%2Fmesinusshowing_zpsb3cea0e5.jpg&hash=44478db9a113cceafda790f9bf061d5b84d81f8e) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/jgirlpacific/media/mesinusshowing_zpsb3cea0e5.jpg.html)
You look amazing Jgirl76! I do understand your want for the reservation, only you can decide if you want to go under the knife again, I wouldn't but, our own standard of what we want is a really personal thing, so I totally understand you wanting to.
It looks like all your features settled nicely, it would seem to me that Dr. Cardenas is just a bit cautious in his work, which isn't such a bad thing so long as you know that going to him.
Quote from: Hikari on June 11, 2014, 11:56:37 PM
You look amazing Jgirl76! I do understand your want for the reservation, only you can decide if you want to go under the knife again, I wouldn't but, our own standard of what we want is a really personal thing, so I totally understand you wanting to.
It looks like all your features settled nicely, it would seem to me that Dr. Cardenas is just a bit cautious in his work, which isn't such a bad thing so long as you know that going to him.
Thank you, Hikari. I appreciate that very much, and I probably will do the revision otherwise it will always bother me... I didn't go through all of that surgery and money to come out on the other side unhappy. The main thing though is that I want others to know what this "looks like", to see the actual limitation of type I and II procedures. I don't want other Cardenas girls to have to do this surgery twice, it's not fair to them. Better to get it right the 1st time. All the best, -J
Hi jgirl- Well to me in that photo, there is nothing that looks remotely male at all.
You my dear are an incredibly attractive female, more-so visually than you were before. It's kinda ridiculous how good you look, actually. Your results look awesome.
You are always going to have a sinus shadow from the side given some angles of light. Even people with the flattest foreheads will have this. I do know what you mean about wanting more of a difference as I understand the difference between Type I / III, but it simply does not show in this photo. You look incredible, natural, and it is obviously a great result that many many people would dream of having. Just keep that in mind ;)
Quote from: Jennygirl on June 12, 2014, 12:41:54 AM
Hi jgirl- Well to me in that photo, there is nothing that looks remotely male at all.
You my dear are an incredibly attractive female, more-so visually than you were before. It's kinda ridiculous how good you look, actually. Your results look awesome.
You are always going to have a sinus shadow from the side given some angles of light. Even people with the flattest foreheads will have this. I do know what you mean about wanting more of a difference as I understand the difference between Type I / III, but it simply does not show in this photo. You look incredible, natural, and it is obviously a great result that many many people would dream of having. Just keep that in mind ;)
Thank you Jenny for the lovely compliments, you're so sweet! <3 Regardless of how I look "overall" in the bigger picture, I just want other girls to know the difference in these procedures so that they can get the best result possible, a result they will be happy with so they won't have to go under the knife twice (hopefully) - At this point a revision isn't going to make me pass better per say, but it's more of a dysphoric image issue... Seeing the sinus prominence causes me discomfort, regardless of what others may see. It is a fact that my sinus would be less prominent had I received the type III procedure. All in all I do feel very blessed to have the results that I do, and I don't mean to seem ungrateful. Thanks again for the compliments and affirmations, HUGS -J
Exactly, when it comes to surgeons, keep it BRUTALLY honest and real. We pay, we have expectations, why would we sugarcoat it? Thanks for keeping it real Jgirl, and to me you look like a supermodel!! Good luck with further plans!! x
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 12, 2014, 01:00:41 AM
Thank you Jenny for the lovely compliments, you're so sweet! <3 Regardless of how I look "overall" in the bigger picture, I just want other girls to know the difference in these procedures so that they can get the best result possible, a result they will be happy with so they won't have to go under the knife twice (hopefully) - At this point a revision isn't going to make me pass better per say, but it's more of a dysphoric image issue... Seeing the sinus prominence causes me discomfort, regardless of what others may see. It is a fact that my sinus would be less prominent had I received the type III procedure. All in all I do feel very blessed to have the results that I do, and I don't mean to seem ungrateful. Thanks again for the compliments and affirmations, HUGS -J
Here is the issue that Jgirl has as I see it ladies,
You all comment on how beautiful she is, how most of you would love to look half as good as her after ffs, etc, etc. But although FFS alongside the intended feminization creates a beautifying effect still ISN'T about beauty, FFS focus is still achieving the most feminine version of ones self POSSIBLE, and Jgirl is emphasising the fact that if you do want to achieve the maximum level of femininity when it comes to your forehead then she warns that the way to achieve this is through type III reconstruction. Because her possibilities of beauty and feminization are ahead of most ladies, it doesn't mean she should by any means, in my eyes, be treated less aggressively in the feminization process, this isn't some kind of socialist ideal in which the girls that are further ahead shouldn't max out their possibilities and the girls who are in the most desperate need of feminization should be the only ones maxing out the possibilities of what can be done to them. I am trying to really explain a somewhat abstract idea of why Jgirl isn't happy with a mediocre result, and in her shoes, neither would I , even if she looks a 12 ! She deserves to have the aggressive forehead work and go up to a 14 if she wants to... She can and should be allowed and be able to achieve the maximum feminine version of herself. Results regarding FFS aren't comparative, they are individual.
I'm sure I made sense to somebody... She makes a lot of sense to me . And as far as I'm concerned, all the good FFS doctors out there should aim to max out every possibility of feminization individually not comparatively, rather than we improved you, but we didn't think you needed the best forehead work because you're already so feminine, only the most masculine of cases deserve the best forehead work.
Her money is as good as anyone's and she worked as hard as a case whose deemed more in need, so why should her results be affected and stopped short of her max possibilities only cause she already looks great?..
Hi calicarly, thanks for your comment. It touches on something I've been thinking about and coming to terms with a lot recently, and that is that there is no true "ideal"- because all that is is a cleverly worded disguise for "perfection" (which doesn't exist).
Being humans, we will always have something to improve about ourselves and our nature will simply not let it go. That is why it has become so important for me to accept certain things and move on... because I can sense it is not a healthy rabbit hole to dive into.
I think as transitioners we get trapped into holding ourselves to a certain ideal.. once the ball is rolling it more easily picks up steam than comes to rest. I think it might possibly be especially true with plastic surgeries. Not saying that I think JG is wrong for wanting a more aggressive approach to her forehead, I could easily see myself feeling the same way so recently after a surgery (I have had feelings like that after almost every surgery in transition).
The bottom line I have been reaching the past couple of months is... we will always have something to work on. Whether it be looks/presentation, career, love, etc.. you name it... there is always going to be something driving us onward seeking improvement of our lives somehow (even if it's just to relax). I guess my point is, is it really necessary to put our bodies through SO much surgically trying to match that ideal- or is it more important to get on with your life and learn to be happy in other ways? I suppose it is a balancing act and requires not only excellent feedback from others but also knowing yourself inside and out. Haven't quite figured it all out yet.
Anyway sorry to go O/T
Quote from: TearDrops on June 12, 2014, 09:55:39 AM
Thank you for such an intelligently written post. You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately for me,that was the attitude of Dr Cardenas when he performed my FFS last August. Yes it was an improvement, but after 25 years of boxing and a lifetime of street fighting, any work done on my face would of been an improvement, but I still look like a man. Now I have to pay again and go through the whole process again, a horrible and daunting prospect. I was told to wait a year for all the swelling to go down, but it has all gone. That doesn't matter now, because of the attitude that I received from Dr Cardenas and his staff was insulting. I would not go back to him even if he offered to do the revisionary surgery for free. He also completely messed up my chin. Dr Cardenas and his staff are absolute Muppet's [ and that's me being polite about it. ] I believe he could have made a fantastic job of my face, he just didnt put the effort in. My is face such, that if the right surgeon performed FFS, I know an unbelievable, and very feminine result could be achieved.
If you've been a boxer and spent a lifetime street fighting, that could be a TALL order. I don't think Cardenas is a bad surgeon, and I wouldn't go so far as to call his team "muppets" - I found everyone competent and professional. While I do feel a revision is necessary in my case, I would not consider (for myself personally) my surgery to be a failure. -J
I'd really like to see the before and after. Really curious.
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 13, 2014, 04:06:04 AM
I'd really like to see the before and after. Really curious.
I did too, but Teardrops is not comfortable sharing her photos, which is completely fine.
Just wanted to publicly thank Jgirl for helping me reconsider my FFS options with Dr Cardenas. I'm going in for surgery with Dr Cardenas in roughly a week, and was contemplating posting my results. I might probably just post my results in this thread, but if you girls would prefer a separate thread on my results, I will go ahead and make one.
Right now my biggest concern is my forehead. I am considering getting type III forehead remodeling, and hopefully my results will help answer a lot of our community's questions on Dr. Cardenas' ability and potential. Besides my forehead and nose, I consider the rest of my face pretty feminine and am content with my aesthetics, so I am kind of liking the fact that Cardenas is more on the conservative side, as I am not looking for a transformation but rather a more feminized version of myself.
I will keep you girls updated. :)
You look stunning Roni, truly stunning.
Make a new thread please :) I'm really curious.
If you still got a bit more time, take a profile pic so that we could see how much he shaved. i.e. before and after
Teardrops said she will share her photos :)
Good luck!
Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 13, 2014, 04:33:00 AM
You look stunning Roni, truly stunning.
Make a new thread please :) I'm really curious.
If you still got a bit more time, take a profile pic so that we could see how much he shaved. i.e. before and after
Teardrops said she will share her photos :)
Good luck!
Thank you! :)
I am almost afraid to post before and after pics as I look very different and almost non-passable without makeup haha. But yep, I will be sure to post detailed pics, profile and all of that! :)
And Teardrops, if you are more comfortable private-messaging me your photos that would be fine! I feel like your photos would definitely help me in making the right decision and telling Cardenas what it is I expect from him.
It doesn't matter if you take the side/profile picture with or without make-up, make-up wont do much to forehead lol :p
BIG hugs and a serious good luck!!!! x You go gurrrlll
Quote from: Roni on June 13, 2014, 04:14:42 AM
Just wanted to publicly thank Jgirl for helping me reconsider my FFS options with Dr Cardenas. I'm going in for surgery with Dr Cardenas in roughly a week, and was contemplating posting my results. I might probably just post my results in this thread, but if you girls would prefer a separate thread on my results, I will go ahead and make one.
Right now my biggest concern is my forehead. I am considering getting type III forehead remodeling, and hopefully my results will help answer a lot of our community's questions on Dr. Cardenas' ability and potential. Besides my forehead and nose, I consider the rest of my face pretty feminine and am content with my aesthetics, so I am kind of liking the fact that Cardenas is more on the conservative side, as I am not looking for a transformation but rather a more feminized version of myself.
I will keep you girls updated. :)
Roni, TearDrops said she paid Dr. C to do a type III but that in surgery he said she didn't need it... so he didn't do it and the difference in cost was never refunded. It certainly is an allegation that is concerning so if you pay Dr. C for type III I would be clear with him that you expect that to be completed. Just a week away, good luck! <3
PS you're welcome! I'm glad I could help by sharing my experience. I hope you will get the best result possible!
Quote from: jgirl76 on June 13, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
Roni, TearDrops said she paid Dr. C to do a type III but that in surgery he said she didn't need it... so he didn't do it and the difference in cost was never refunded. It certainly is an allegation that is concerning so if you pay Dr. C for type III I would be clear with him that you expect that to be completed. Just a week away, good luck! <3
PS you're welcome! I'm glad I could help by sharing my experience. I hope you will get the best result possible!
Oh wow. What? Thanks for the heads up on the money issue Teardrops and Jgirl!
If there is anyone reading this who has had type III with Dr. Cardenas, I would love to hear from you about your experience and results. Thanks, J
jgirl76 I want your opinion I know you're not happy with your forehead but what did you think about the rest ?
I want to go for my nose and adam apple and Dr Mayer costs around 14k and Cardenas is only 6k would you still recommend him ?
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Considering this was a necro thread and long since dead plus TOS 5, 10 and 15 violations the thread will remain locked. Hugs
Mariah