June 10, 2014 by: John Shore
Today delegates to the annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention (the largest Protestant body in American, with around 16 million members) approved a resolution concerning transgender people. The points they affirmed about transgender people are below, each followed by the supporting text from their affirmed resolution. Following these points is the whole of the resolution from which this support is derived.
More: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/2014/06/the-southern-baptist-convention-throws-transgender-people-under-the-bus/
Personally I just rest easy knowing I live in Australia :P
But seriously don't worry about it, every decision these hicks make
alienates them more and more from moderate society.
Whereas we as awesome, Beautiful and downright fantastic trans*people
are becoming more and more accepted. I guarantee in 50 years time between
us and the southern baptist convention, we won't be the ones society deems
disgusting.
If you need help, just look at statistics for those under 25 :P
Not that society deems us disgusting :P
just these religion nuts who drunk a little to much of the right wing cool-ace
Oh, lol.
I was looking at that picture of their Convention and wondering how many of them could actually be closeted TG :). But then I read this: "People belonging to the Southern Baptist Convention aren't transgender. ("We will teach and model for our own children the Bible's message about manhood and womanhood.")
Then I get as far to read this pearl: "Transgender people are welcome in church as long as they repent. ("We welcome [transgender people] them into our congregations as they repent and believe in Christ.")" Sure, I am exaggerating but the initial gut response was like - I've seen something vaguely similar before... "Repent Your sins, so we can burn You and You go to heavens afterwards. Repent!" Nope, does not feel funny at all...
The only point I could agree with was "It's wrong for transgender people to be bullied. ("We condemn acts of abuse or bullying committed against [transgender people].")"
Being in Europe, we have our own nut-jobs here, there are not so many of them, but having seen their rhetorics, I am quite sure they sometimes draw their inspiration from Southern Baptists.
I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and my mother was in the Norfolk Baptis Association. What they say now will change in a time. They always do. The church I grew up in was against premarital sex and divorce and such. But when I left, they were having a party for couple that had 2 kids, for doing the proper Godly thing and getting married. Yes, that was after they had given birth to their 2 kids. The entire adult singles were all sleeping with each other, and did all sorts of ungodly things.
It is a matter of 'when we do it, we will say its ok'. The Pope turned around and said he had no authority to judge another for what they do. If he can't judge and he was anointed by God to speak for him, why should anybody else think they can speak for God?
Just relax, every time these folks say something insulting or crazy
(which apparently happens an awful lot) ^ :P their congregation and influence will just get
smaller and smaller
That depends on what you would cll a sin.
lies?
suicide?
various other things I have done of and thought about as a result of urges caused by testosterone poisoning?
Oh yeah I REPENT THOSE.
Transitioning For me is for the purpose heaven. I am loved by god for this, for no longer being consumed by false thoughts of what is right and wrong, in the eyes of mankind. I can judge for myself what feels right and what feels wrong. It is this I must make my choices on, If not the (this person said excuse) will not hold up in heaven. And I know that should I Do wrong it is I who will be judged by god, for my actions. I Hope that should I Believe something wrong and not do it, and live a life acting upon what I Believe is right, that come heaven an wrongs I do can be forgiven, if not. I Know I did everything I could to follow god path for me.
thats kinda interesting when you think about it....
I mean what part of being trans* do they find sinful
assuming that evangelicals, and other christian groups
think that the bible says something about trans* issues
rather than simply cross dressing, which it doesn't, what part
of being trans* do they find sinful?
Quote from: Jo-is-amazing on June 11, 2014, 04:19:15 AM
thats kinda interesting when you think about it....
I mean what part of being trans* do they find sinful
assuming that evangelicals, and other christian groups
think that the bible says something about trans* issues
rather than simply cross dressing, which it doesn't, what part
of being trans* do they find sinful?
they focus on WHAT we do, assume why. Instead of asking why we do it.
they see it as a curuption of gods (male) (female) images.
But if one is female with a visual presentation of a man, that image is already corrupted. women don't look like men.
What they dont realise is that FOR MANY transition is conforming to this as to why many transition, "Im female I want to look female".
Its funny how they judge on what they see.
they see a man that changes himself to look like a woman. But their ignorance makes them blind to the truth of what they see, that being that what they see is a woman that looks like a man, that changes herself to more appropriately present the female image.
EDIT-- To describe but one accusation.
So are intersex people also thrown under said bus? I'm sure they know the difference...
Problem is that what is a woman's set of clothes versus man's? Male butchers used to wear high heels, and now women do. Stockings used to be worn by men, now women do. Frankly at any point during history women and men have all worn the same thing. Nothing is male or female, except by the perception of what it is. So the only thing they would have is the alteration of our bodies to connect with our minds. But then again. What about breast implants, nose jobs or simply surgery in general. Its altering the supposed plan of God by changing it with surgical means.
Quote from: Jill F on June 11, 2014, 06:10:28 AM
So are intersex people also thrown under said bus? I'm sure they know the difference...
I am sure they dont really care...
This action by the SBC is reminiscent of something that could be expected from the flat earth society. I looked at their "points" and they are laughable. I mean, open your eyes and look around you! The world isn't flat, and people come in all varieties. Some are even transgender.
I see this as a desperate attempt by religious fundamentalists to keep the SBC "pure" and free from them weird trans people. They are clearly compassionless and intolerant, and because of that the SBC will continue their slide into the dust bin of history. This is a desperate attempt to stay relevant in the face of major change in the world, and now that they have lost the battle over gays we are the next target. I just wish that they could fade away quietly without causing us harm, but I don't see that happening.
People are beginning to learn and understand about us. I'm thinking that some of the SBC members (especially those with trans family members or trans friends) will have second thoughts about remaining with the SBC after this.
As a Christian it saddens me to see this group totally miss the point, and it makes me angry for them to adopt a platform full of hate and rejection instead of exhibiting Christ's love.
Quote from: Eva Marie on June 11, 2014, 07:17:31 AM
As a Christian it saddens me to see this group totally miss the point, and it makes me angry for them to adopt a platform full of hate and rejection instead of exhibiting Christ's love.
This ^^^ +100
Amen Eva Marie, amen. This is going to shorten my Christmas present list for quite a while to come, I have one branch of the family with an SBC minister son, but they have not talked to me since I came out, so not much change there.
If theres any religon that represents what i believe the most its probably Buddhism, but then again Buddhism is more of a lifestyle than a religion.
But to put that to one side for the sake of this discussion, if what SBC supposedly believes was the accurate version of heaven and god and what its sinful and not, i can honestly say i wouldnt want to have anything to do with it. Why? Because their version of heaven would be my version of hell. Such a god also wouldnt really be classed as good either, lets not forget how once upon a time they tried to argue also that the bible is pro slavery. I would seriously suggest that they may actually be worshipping a vengeful god, one much closer to the idea of satan. I dont see how a good god that asks for compassion, empathy, love and understanding would be for the stuff the SBC seems to claim is the word of god.
But, you know what, to bring back what i believe, if you live a life of mindfulness, understanding, compassion and unconditional love, regardless of what may or may not happen after death you should be set. If there is a truly good god, and some form of heaven, such a being wouldn't have any problem with you, if they did, they wouldn't be good.
Whats more important, is to focus on this moment, because this present moment is the only one that exists, if you live your life thinking, wait till i get that qualification till i can really live my life, you will then think, wait till i get that job till i can really live my life, then after that you will think wait till i get a house and i can really live my life, then a car and so on, till the point that you were never really alive at all in your whole life. In order to be alive, you need to focus on the present moment, allow yourself to see the beauty of now, the beauty of the sky, the air you are breathing, the sun on your skin. You dont need to be anywhere other than the present moment to enjoy these things. If you spend your whole life waiting for things, for example heaven, you really have wasted your life on this plane of existence.
The only thing needed to live a peaceful wholesome life without any sin are six qualities, Compassion, Understanding, Concentration, Mindfulness, Empathy and Unconditional Love. And that idea is free from religon, anyone has the capacity of cultivating these qualities, regardless of what culture or religion they was brought up around. Cultivate these qualities and you wont need a book or a higher authority to tell you what is right and wrong.