Given all the pain , social and family destruction that seems to be experienced by people who consider them selves trans , do you think it would be a good thing if the medical scientists found a way to completely block the effects of disphoria and let people live happy lives without the need to transition. Or just let nature alone and work on society to change to a far more accepting perception of the transgender reality. would you feel better if there was no need to transition or is transitioning it self an experience that far out weighs the pain of the past and just a natural part of human existence.
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
This most definitely! Even if they had a drug which could "cure" Dysphoria I would not want it. I love my new life so much now. :)
IDK. I don't think I experience dysphoria the way other people do or I'm not even sure if I have it. All I have is genital dysphoria. But up until I was 3, I had dual sets or reproductive organs. It's left me quite scarred. (<See what I did there!!!) So, I don't know. I have co-concurring IS conditions but I think all things being equal I'd rather be normal. In fact, the whole reason I'm doing this is just to be normal physically.
Of course, I have a BF and am totally in love so I wouldn't stop transitioning either. Maybe that's not a great reason to do this but combined with my physical state I think it is. I feel like if I wasn't physically like the way I am I would just go ahead and be a gay man. Or Bi. But prolly gay. Yeah a gay dude. But I am what I am so a straight woman works. I love the clothes. They fit so well.
But what is dysphoria? I mean I just really don't want a penis and think they messed up but other than that, it's whateva? But then I gots this whole body thing going on and without hormones I had boobs and a shape and people consistently told me a look like a dyke, so it's all so confusing...ack.
Like I said though, the BF. And we're going to get married and he really loves me and wants me to get SRS and I want that thing gone (always have) so yeah. I mean I read something here earlier (and it's not the first time) about thinking SRS is the be all and end all for transition and for someone like me, it really was and is? HRT hasn't changed me at all. In fact I might be less emotional. But it has given be D cups, so there's that. But not sure how I feel about them. Ugh.
Sorry, I know this was TLDR
I was talking about this with my good friend(the first in my circle I came out to)
The truth is, I don't think I would want a cure. This is such a fundamental part of who I am and has shaped my life to such an extent, would I still be the same person afterwards?
I've been very successful as a guy and it is difficult to consider the strong possibility of resetting my life at this point, but I've learned so much that isn't really a part of the male part of my personality. Would I even be able to like myself as a person? My male personality has a coldly sociopathic streak aggravated by my background and occupation choices, without the primary female part of me I could have never learned the beauty of compassion.
For me it would almost be an emotional lobotomy.
Quote from: ErinS on June 14, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
For me it would almost be an emotional lobotomy.
My thought exactly! +1 :)
As long as I still felt like myself, I would probably choose to take the "cure" as it would be a much easier and less costly road. I really wouldn't care if it meant being male or female, I just want to feel right and not want to die everyday.
I think I can understand that for some people who have dysphoria but don't wish to go through everything(or maybe can't for various reasons) this could be an ok thing. But my worry with this is, in 2012 being TG finally got removed from the Mental Disorder list (about time), and this sort of giving you a pill or medicine to suppress/block Gender Dysphoria seems to go backwards in terms of progress. I would fear that lazy, non-understanding/non-sympathetic medical professionals would actually start taking the easy way out and start trying to shove pills down ppls throats to block it. To me thats dangerous for someones mental health, especially if there maybe not as aware as to there options or able to educate themselves independently of the medical fraternity. As we know not all doctors/therapists etc are created equal on this issue, so yea to me it could send us back to the 1950's of lets 'cure' TG.
Blocking the effects of dysphoria treats only one of the symptoms, not the underlying cause. That's my view, anyway. Stopping me feeling the degree of dysphoria I feel personally, which probably isn't exactly the same as anyone else, wouldn't make me feel less like myself, or more like the way I was born. It would only stop (perhaps temporarily) one physical manifestation of my sense of self. So for me personally, it wouldn't do much good. To me it would feel like using painkillers to stop the pain caused by a decayed tooth. I would still know the tooth needed to be removed, even if I didn't feel the pain from it.
Agree with Sephira.
i can say, from all the pain i'm in because of dysphoria and its ever evolving evil, that i would undoubtedly refuse the option of erasing my dysphoria. i've learned a lot about myself, somethings i would of rather not learned, and the others things that are like " oh wow, i never knew that" although this is the worse type of pain i've faced, i'm happier none the less.
Interesting question though Stephanie. Looks like we better not buy those stocks in the Cure Trans Condition Pharmaceuticals though based on the responses! ;D
When I was really young I just knew something was wrong with my genitals. I felt like something was missing. I would touch the area and think it just has to be there. I would ask god to help me as I cried myself to sleep. I wish there was a pharmaceutical that could have been given to my parents to accept me and love me as I am and a society that allowed girls to become girls who are born with the wrong parts in the 60's. Then I would never have had to go through this.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
This.
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 14, 2014, 09:54:06 PM
We like you too! ;)
wow, thanks now I can go to sleep and have beautiful dreams
For many years I wished there was that pill that could erase all those dysphoria feelings....I never found it and new the only cure was to transition. Even through all my ups and downs since transitioning especially now with dating...I can honestly say I have found the cure and am happy. Yes if there would of been something to make me into that "normal" man I would of took it back then. I'm now at the point that I really would of regretted it!!!!
I now wish I could find that pill to give me a normal cis female upbringing LOL!!
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 14, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
This most definitely! Even if they had a drug which could "cure" Dysphoria I would not want it. I love my new life so much now. :)
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Exactly! ;)
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
me too for sure. i thing we have to work a lot with our society, especially each of us must show them that being trans* is
such a normal thing and we´re kind of normal persons - independent of our gender.
Would I take the pill, no I've always wanted to be a girl. It's only now that I have the means to do so.
A pill in general this is a very slippery slope in an age where the medical profesion can be more inlined to reach for a pad then treat a problem. "Take two and call me in the morning" can be a dangerous mentality to have, for both paitent and doctor. Are we not medicated enough?
Friend? Well they all accept me that is why they are my friends
Family? Well mine is so messed up and destroyed allready, that when I tell them all I will just be one more log on the giant bonfire that they already are.
Society? Well I don't really care, because now as the song line goes "I'm on my way from misery to happeness to day"
I was a idiotic, ignorant, know it all, judgmental, alcoholic male. Transition opened my eyes, taught me, and let me admit I have a problem with the bottle.
Despite my mind being troubled regarding transition of late, the truth of the matter is transition still something I needed to do to become a good person. For my life, and because there is nothing wrong with being trans so the Hell am I going to cut that out of me to "fit in", I would resent the existence of a "therapy" that would aim to alter who I am.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
Precisely my thoughts. I couldn't have said it better. I kind of consider being a transwoman as my advantage a bit. given the gender prejudices that exist in my country (no kidding, there are huge differences in male/female employment in Czech Republic). First I built up my future as a male so that now I can have a comfortable life as a female. Although this is probably just my way how to be comfortable with my state :-) .
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
^^^ Yes! Sorry, I know Ms Grace has already been quoted several times but this is pretty much a perfect response for me too. As much as I dislike the dysphoria, I would HATE being "not me"... Maybe it's the dysphoria talking but to be a "normal" cis male would be.. ugh.... Yeah no thanks lol.
Besides, I've already got my medical fix for it.... Now it's just giving HRT time to help my body align itself with my mind! :)
Much rather they find a way to change your body to 100% female then try to make your female brain work with your male body or male brain work with your female body. After all its not the brain right? but the body that is broken.
Also being someone who was on medicine as a kid for hyper-active I really don't like drugs that specifically design to alter the way you act...I guess that is a bit hypocritical of me since I am considering doing hrt...which can alter the way you think...and here I go again rambling.
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my only problem with the need to transition given it's a basic fact of my condition is that I wish the opportunity was offered to me a lot sooner , other than that It's just an amazing feeling of truly being me. plus there is so many other reasons for me to feel the way I do. How I see the world and society and how I experience my social world has nurtured my sense of being and my perception of my self as more compatible with the female world .
I would never want to be cured of being a woman no matter how uncomfortable my womanhood makes anyone else.
I would never want to be cured of being a lesbian no matter how uncomfortable my sexual orientation makes anyone else.
I would never want to be cured of being Buddhist no matter how uncomfortable my spiritual belief makes anyone else.
I would never want to be cured of being a woman-of-color no matter how uncomfortable my skin color makes anyone else.
I would never want to be cured of being vegetarian no matter how uncomfortable my dietary choices make anyone else.
I never want to sell out my soul in order to please anyone else. I choose to be true to who I am. This is the path to living a fulfilling life. A pill that cures me of who I am, to my way of thinking, is nothing less than pharmaceutical enslavement.
All I have ever wanted in my life is to be loved and accepted for who I am. I have achieved this goal. This achievement is one of many gifts that I have received as a result of being a transsexual woman.
I would not have it any other way.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
I guess I feel as though we are medically retrofitting ourselves either way.
Well, we are what we are, and I like my female self, but, there are many out there that have lost everything in there life to try and be what they had to be... Im sure there are MANY out there that would take the magic pill, to make it all go away (the GD). Life would also me much simpler... I don't think anyone really 'wants' to be TS, as it's not a easy life.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
I have been to a lot of therapy in my life about different issues , but looking back on my therapy prior to just total melt down I think that's exactly what was happening to me. I was being retrofitted into cis male. I'm thankful I found the therapist I now have.
I'd rather be cis gender. I hate being transsexual. But science isn't going to buy all my male clothes and change my name, and get the 2 years I've spent living as a girl, so I'd just stay the way I am unless I hit the lottery or something. Things would be so much easier if I could comfortably live as male.
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 14, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would a million times rather be a trans woman than be medically retrofitted into being cis male.
This is definitely how I feel as well. Especially given my unique situation. Oh how repulsive this would be to me..........
Allie :icon_flower:
Quote from: Allyda on June 15, 2014, 08:22:14 PM
This is definitely how I feel as well. Especially given my unique situation. Oh how repulsive this would be to me..........
Allie :icon_flower:
yea, each day forward I realize how important estrogen is to me And by the way I like your avatar Allyda
Quote from: stephaniec on June 16, 2014, 07:24:40 AM
yea, each day forward I realize how important estrogen is to me And by the way I like your avatar Allyda
Thanks Stephanie. After seeing the huge changes taking place in my face making it look more feminine I was finally comfortable enough to post a photo Avatar so y'all could put a face to the name.
Allie :icon_flower:
I think I'll have to take that walk on the wild side, before committing one way or the other. Anyone ready to place their bet?
To me, being trans sucks.
Gimme a pill that'll either make me cis female or balance my brain chemistry so that I can fit in as male. I don't like being halfway either way.
I grow weary of dealing with myself sometimes, the isolation can be soul destroying some days.
yea, it's a difficult condition to live with. there's really so few of us to compared to the rest of the population. If you don't perfectly blend in your kind of in an awkward position in feeling part of society
Its good to know I'm not the only one with my opinion on this =P I had posed myself a similar question though under the premise of a magic button. If I could just push a button and be " normal" would I? And I decided no, its too much of who I am to just want to erase it. However, if I could push a button and wake up female I wouldn't in a heart beat, but wouldn't we all? =P
Quote from: Ellesmira the Duck on June 19, 2014, 01:57:21 PM
Its good to know I'm not the only one with my opinion on this =P I had posed myself a similar question though under the premise of a magic button. If I could just push a button and be " normal" would I? And I decided no, its too much of who I am to just want to erase it. However, if I could push a button and wake up female I wouldn't in a heart beat, but wouldn't we all? =P
I think early on in high school or a little after I would of wanted to rid my self of the turmoil. As I've grown and dealt with my condition I've learned a lot and having free will I would gladly choose transition be it's who I am.
You gotta wonder what the side effects of some "cure" would be though. I mean, would you be inclined to bay at a full moon or some other odd thing? What could it do to any descendants you may have? What if the aliens that watch over us find out? things like that...
Quote from: the old mare on June 20, 2014, 06:40:46 PM
What if the aliens that watch over us find out? things like that...
I'm one of them, and we've decided to leave Earthlings to the peril of their own politicians. Then the Earth will be ours!!, lol!!, he, he, he ha ha ha ha ha he, he, he heeee!!
Sorry friends, I just couldn't resist lightning the mood a little.
Ally :icon_flower:
Quote from: Allyda on June 20, 2014, 07:36:51 PM
I'm one of them, and we've decided to leave Earthlings to the peril of their own politicians. Then the Earth will be ours!!, lol!!, he, he, he ha ha ha ha ha he, he, he heeee!!
Sorry friends, I just couldn't resist lightning the mood a little.
Ally :icon_flower:
well that's cool as long as you don't develop a taste for human jerky
Quote from: stephaniec on June 20, 2014, 07:52:24 PM
well that's cool as long as you don't develop a taste for human jerky
Naaaahhhh, humans are too tough and stringy. We prefer Europan's. Now there's a delicacy!
Ally :icon_flower:
I've always said if there was some pill or Total Recall method of hyponitic trance sorcery to make me not trans, I would have taken it when I was younger. If there was a way to avoid a living hell in my childhood and teens and 20s and 30s, sign me up. In reality, I've way past the point of no return transitioning. I'm already halfway up the mountain and when I look back, there's no mountain there to climb back down. In a delusional, psychotic way, I can say I'm stronger then some cis people by filling myself with meds and having an electrofied needle painfully destroy my facial hair.
I do think one day technology and medicine will advance to the point of taking a pill and all your facial hair stops growing instantly or other brilliant goodies. ;D
Quote from: Christine Eryn on June 21, 2014, 11:26:31 AM
I've always said if there was some pill or Total Recall method of hyponitic trance sorcery to make me not trans, I would have taken it when I was younger. If there was a way to avoid a living hell in my childhood and teens and 20s and 30s, sign me up. In reality, I've way past the point of no return transitioning. I'm already halfway up the mountain and when I look back, there's no mountain there to climb back down. In a delusional, psychotic way, I can say I'm stronger then some cis people by filling myself with meds and having an electrofied needle painfully destroy my facial hair.
I do think one day technology and medicine will advance to the point of taking a pill and all your facial hair stops growing instantly or other brilliant goodies. ;D
or a cute little virus that deletes the y and adds the x
I think if they tried to cure dysphoria to an extent you wouldn't be happy though, I mean I tried being a cis female in high school and beginning of college, I had friends, had a bf, had sex, my outside seemed normal, I didn't show signs of dysphoria but I wasn't happy, I still felt so fake, so although I was never suicidal about my body, I was still unhappy, cause I wasn't Ryan, I was (insert legal name here) lol. I wouldn't be happy like I am now, to finally feel and be me, I am much more happier now being the real me than I ever was trying to be fake for society, even if society accepted my fakeness over the real me. I am much closer to my friends now being real, than I was pretending to be fake.