...or at least that's what six hours of multi probe galvanic electrolysis on my beard and mo feels like afterwards. Just saying.
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This title is scary I thought some transphobics literally had beaten you or something then hit you with a cactus on the face. :o
Yeah, I thought someone literally picked up a cactus and slapped you across the face with it. I was all, "No, not Grace's pretty face!" D:
Ha! I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have hurt any more than my electro session yesterday, and at least it would have been over in 6 seconds as opposed to six hours... :o
OMG! I forgot about Togemon! Holy crap.
lol. Enjoy your electrolysis Grace. :P It'll be worth it when you get to run your hands over a smooth face and not have to worry about upkeep.
Yeow!!! I've only done 3 hour rounds of single probe in one sitting.
I think I'd rather have another colonoscopy than do that, Grace!
The good news is that I currently only have about an hour's worth of beard remaining now and I won't need to go to that torture chair again until August.
Youuch!
And I thought you were advocating some new form form of dermabrasion.
The longest I ever did was 3 hours, 16 probe galvanic. I'm turning into a wimp and only make 30 min appointments for my touch ups.
Quote from: Pikachu on June 21, 2014, 01:10:08 AM
Yeah, I thought someone literally picked up a cactus and slapped you across the face with it. I was all, "No, not Grace's pretty face!" D:
What I thought! Yikes! I have had fights with cholla cactus and lost, but it wasn't in the face.
--Jay
Cactus don't hurt going in. It is definately coming out that is the painful part. When I saw this post especially about the face I cringed. I slipped in mud and fell on a group of prickly pear one time and that was in the butt and halfway down the legs and a a few in the arms' there were plenty of them to pull out and that was way worst than going in.
Is there a point in posting this in the Female to Male Transsexuals section? We don't' generally get electrolysis.
Ooops! Moved it, sorry! Clearly still not thinking straight after my cactus face punching!
fried cactus is pretty good . I use is in my tortilla dishes. It's similar to green chile.
Quote from: Pikachu on June 21, 2014, 01:10:08 AM
Yeah, I thought someone literally picked up a cactus and slapped you across the face with it. I was all, "No, not Grace's pretty face!" D:
Same here Ms. Grace -don't scare us like that -shwheeeww!
Sorry your face is hurting. I'm going to be having electro soon to get rid of what's left of my grays on my face. Luckily there aren't too many.
Ally :icon_flower:
Can confirm cactus in face. Was at E3K two days ago for a six hour full facial session with lidocaine shots. End result: swollen, bruised, but hairless face. Third session down, about three more to go!
Ouch. I'd rather be slapped across the face with a large trout!
I could arrange that for you, but I don't think it would get rid of many hairs. ;)
Speaking of electro, has anyone had a dozen or so hard time survivors?
I've still got about a dozen that keep coming back, either that or new ones come out from the same area.
Wet trout to the face is like being licked in the face by a dog.....
LuLz :laugh:
I'm going to have nightmares tonight of this green, prickly blob coming toward me.
For my laser I'm planning to try this tattoo lidocain spray anesthetic 10% Lidocaine HCI.
Anyone tried doing this?
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6 hours?!? Omg, my longest session to date has been two and that was plenty lol. I pretty much stick with an hour at a time... jeez this is gonna take forever.
I'm also glad the real story wasn't what the title implied. ;)
Quote from: luna nyan on June 21, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
Speaking of electro, has anyone had a dozen or so hard time survivors?
I've still got about a dozen that keep coming back, either that or new ones come out from the same area.
Wet trout to the face is like being licked in the face by a dog.....
Sounds like you keep missing their growth cycle... :(
Evelyn,
I don't think that will work.
EMLA is about the only thing that will work through skin. I won't bore you with the technical details but basically the mixture of the two types of anaesthetic allow it to pass through skin. Lignocaine by itself won't - however if you want to numb your cheek...
I actually did get a large piece of cactus stuck on my upper lip once when I was 12. Long story short...it was not pleasant.
6 hours!? YOUCH! I hope the reward for that will be a nice and lovely smooth face :-) .
I guess I'm terribly over-sensitive when my last laser depilation session lasted only like 10 minutes and at moments my eyes started to get really wet (with anaesthetic cream before that). My session number 5 comes this Wednesday so that will fortunately be much shorter as there's not much follicles left to incinerate.
I'm amazed of what some of you girls are capable of withstanding. WOW! I dread the moment when I'm left with whites and greys and will also have to go for electrolysis. Hopefully there won't be too many of them.
I myself am going to have nightmares tonight of a big green cactus coming at me sideways tipped with a big wet slimy fish! Thanks guys!, lol!
Ally :icon_flower:
Quote from: Pikachu on June 21, 2014, 01:10:08 AM
Yeah, I thought someone literally picked up a cactus and slapped you across the face with it. I was all, "No, not Grace's pretty face!" D:
Same with me. I went from sad to relieved when I clicked on this thread.
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Quote from: Allyda on June 22, 2014, 02:07:37 AM
I myself am going to have nightmares tonight of a big green cactus coming at me sideways tipped with a big wet slimy fish! Thanks guys!, lol!
Ally :icon_flower:
Glad to be of help!
And yeah, cactii... Apparently I patted one as a toddler... Sort of exploans why I'm so leery of them
Quote from: luna nyan on June 21, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
Speaking of electro, has anyone had a dozen or so hard time survivors?
I've still got about a dozen that keep coming back, either that or new ones come out from the same area.
Wet trout to the face is like being licked in the face by a dog.....
Luna
Not sure about 'survivors', but facial hair seems to be the gift that keeps on giving. I am fairly sure that some of these hairs actually enjoy the electrolysis. My electrologist says that in about 8 weeks ie 24 hrs more galvanic, I should be at the stage where I am pretty much done. The problem is that I now need to remove hair from my ears and back that countless hours of laser couldn't shift. Then I need to remove the stray hairs that always seem to creep across my face from my eyebrows ... and then remove what is left on my chest and stomach. Hope that will be enough but now hair seems to be regrowing on my fingers and toes ... disgusting!
Having said this I quite enjoy spending 3 hours a week talking to with my electrologist. I think I will miss her when this discomfort, aka torture, is finished.
Aisla
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 21, 2014, 12:58:55 AM
...or at least that's what six hours of multi probe galvanic electrolysis on my beard and mo feels like afterwards. Just saying.
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Grace
This is seriously impressive. 3 hours per week seems to be about my limit. I have never seriously thought about a longer session.
It is time to spill the beans Grace. You cant just be using Emla and hydrating. I need to know your secret!
On the other hand if you have a secret that works then I wish it had been shared before I had 121 hrs of galvanic and 66 hrs of blend. Laser is a walk in the park in comparison to the 'discomfort' of galvanic.
Aisla
Ha! Well this was my first six hour session (really two three hour sessions with a one hour break in between). But no, just Emla for the upper lip and beard let (soul patch/under lip). I have a fairly good tolerance for pain I guess, some of the needles/probes didn't hurt at all but some of them were utter agony, so I guess the overall effect was unpleasant but not six hours of sheer pain and torture. Surprisingly the first three hours and the next two hours went fairly quickly, last one though... yeesh. Still have a lot under the jawline and on the neck to go, plus the mo. I decided six hours a session was a way to just power through and get it over and done with... have a few more six hour blocks booked. Looking at it positively, anything less than six hours is going to be a walk in the park by comparison.
Grace, Did you try laser first, or are you none compatible for it?
Just curious, I was lucky laser cleared me but I had dark facial hair.
Yeah, tried it to no effect. :-\ Beard hairs are just too light... :(
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 22, 2014, 02:51:32 AM
Ha! Well this was my first six hour session (really two three hour sessions with a one hour break in between). But no, just Emla for the upper lip and beard let (soul patch/under lip). I have a fairly good tolerance for pain I guess, some of the needles/probes didn't hurt at all but some of them were utter agony, so I guess the overall effect was unpleasant but not six hours of sheer pain and torture. Surprisingly the first three hours and the next two hours went fairly quickly, last one though... yeesh. Still have a lot under the jawline and on the neck to go, plus the mo. I decided six hours a session was a way to just power through and get it over and done with... have a few more six hour blocks booked. Looking at it positively, anything less than six hours is going to be a walk in the park by comparison.
Grace
My face is still swollen, with tiny scabs. At 6 hrs I would have trout lips and look like my face had gone through a mincer. Many, many years ago Dr Z's team of 2 each spent 8hrs each on my face twice in one week and twice 2 weeks later. The skin literally oozed a clear liquid and scabbed quite badly. I did overdo it, but injected anaesthetic was used so the pain wasn't too bad, and it did give me a full clearance. Having said this, galvanic seems to be the only foolproof electro and I have had 121 hrs of galvanic since my encounter with Dr Z (but who is counting the time and cost ie apart from my bank manager)?
Aisla
Quote from: Aisla on June 22, 2014, 03:01:38 AM
My face is still swollen, with tiny scabs. At 6 hrs I would have trout lips and look like my face had gone through a mincer.
That was me yesterday, including the trout lips! Starting to improve... but it's still a good thing I'm working from home tomorrow. sigh.
Hell Grace, I am seriously in awe of you. 6 hours and just Emla? Wow!
I have found that the end of each session, regardless of how long I have been there just annoys me and I get grumpy! Just want out. I have only ever done just over 3 hours at a time and was exhausted.
6 hours??? Sheesh!
I swear I swell up more than I did previously. And these days I get antsy in the last few rows done every session. I'm turning old and frail. :D
Quote from: Evelyn K on June 21, 2014, 09:51:18 PM
For my laser I'm planning to try this tattoo lidocain spray anesthetic 10% Lidocaine HCI.
Anyone tried doing this?
I think that's what my skin therapist started using on me after I broke down crying once. I apply a lidocain (25mg/g) + prilocain (25mg/g) cream at home, and then she will spray something on my upper lip and let it sit while she works on other areas. On good days it works great.
I've recently stopped being entirely cactus punched. The remaining hairs are so far apart that I get red dots instead of large red patches. And there's not enough to spend an hour on, so we do 30 minutes face, 30 minutes chest.
Incarlina,
What you are applying in your case is essentially EMLA. 50:50 mix of lignocaine and prilocaine. Lignocaine by itself will not penetrate skin.
Aisla,
New body hair appearing has always been a bit of a trigger for me. The slight thinning of hair around my forehead, and changes in body hair over time were what made me jump onto low dose like a lifesaver. But yeah, facial hairs are like cockroaches - just don't seem to be able to chase them down. I can even count the dozen or so stragglers . -_-
Quote from: luna nyan on June 22, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
Incarlina,
What you are applying in your case is essentially EMLA. 50:50 mix of lignocaine and prilocaine. Lignocaine by itself will not penetrate skin.
Aisla,
New body hair appearing has always been a bit of a trigger for me. The slight thinning of hair around my forehead, and changes in body hair over time were what made me jump onto low dose like a lifesaver. But yeah, facial hairs are like cockroaches - just don't seem to be able to chase them down. I can even count the dozen or so stragglers . -_-
Maybe dermarolling?
My sessions are about one hour and a half each with a single probe.
Took out about a 1000 hairs per session.
It's hard for me to bear the pain and yes, my head is swollen for about a week.
It's a nightmare...
Transitionning involves a certain dose of masochism...
Sonia
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 21, 2014, 12:58:55 AM
...or at least that's what six hours of multi probe galvanic electrolysis on my beard and mo feels like afterwards. Just saying.
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Thought I'd highlight that again.
Seriously. Hardcore.....!
That's me. Hardcore! Seriously.
Been reading these reviews just to get an idea of what peeople are experiencing with these lidocain numbing topicals.
http://www.amazon.com/Lidocaine-GREENCAINE-Anesthetic-effective-Electrolysis/product-reviews/B005KNUHA0/
"I have been using Greencaine for electrolysis (the hairs are just too deeply rooted for the laser to reach in some places) with great sucess. It's not completely discomfort-free - i can still feel what she's doing - but it's numb enough that i nearly took a little nap during my very first appointment. Love this stuff!"
Far fetched?
BTW this is in no way endorsing this product because it actually only contains lidocaine 4%. There's stronger 10% sprays on eBay.
Up to you, try it if you like. :)
I'm just commenting on the basis of my training and study from uni. :P
Yeah I'm going to side with amazons review polling, I'll let ppls know my results using 10%. I can't wait to rid my beard shadow. I need to be in passing nirvana.
And this, ladies, is why I sought out a provider who can do lidocaine injections to fully numb the face. I use E3000 (now moved to Lewisville, TX, NW of Dallas) but I've read about similar salons in Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles. Also doing the full face routine, I only have to grow everything out every 2 months, a definite blessing.
I started with local weekly electrology sessions but rapidly realized that I wanted this done quicker and without so much pain, hence my switch. I feel for those of you doing the weekly thing without full numbing of the face but I have no intent to go back to doing it that way. :)
Today I had my 5th laser depilation. First 30 minutes of anesthetic cream and then 15 minutes of pulses. And even though there's not much left it did hurt me like crazy. My bows and respect to you electrolysis girls. I'm a weakling compared to you :-) .
I think I did a mistake having the session like one hour and a half after I received my weekly injection. Originally I thought it started to hurt more after HRT start because of overall skin change and sensitivity increase. But now I'm more inclined to think that if I'll go for the next session day before injection (when the E levels are lower) it won't hurt that much.
Is it normal for the beard area to be inflamed after laser a day after? I notice my beard shadow is darker than usual especially the upper lip.
Quote from: luna nyan on June 24, 2014, 02:00:02 AM
Up to you, try it if you like. :)
I'm just commenting on the basis of my training and study from uni. :P
BTW: Luna. You where right. Topical lidocain didn't do jack sh*t. And believe me, it was NUMB.
Quote from: Evelyn K on July 10, 2014, 07:06:12 PM
BTW: Luna. You where right. Topical lidocain didn't do jack sh*t. And believe me, it was NUMB.
Sorry, but that made me *lol*
If it makes you feel any better, you're not the first person who's doubted my advice and spent money unnecessarily.
At least it wasn't expensive. EMLA penetrates further, but if you're talking about the annoying tingling thing, you need actual local anaesthetic.
$60 yo! That was expensive. You know how many McDonalds Happy Meals I can buy with that much mulah? ;D
Not tingling. Just pain.
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Quote from: Evelyn K on July 10, 2014, 07:03:43 PM
Is it normal for the beard area to be inflamed after laser a day after? I notice my beard shadow is darker than usual especially the upper lip.
It depends on how high a setting the laser was on. Some girls do get very red like if they had sunburn. As long as there are no blackened bruised areas you should be okay. It's hard to tell though without seeing.
The inflamed feeling should dissappear in a few days a long with the redness. If it doesn't the setting was too high.
I'm sorry I can't be of more help Ev.
Ally :icon_flower:
Not really similar to sunburn, it just still appears rough like you haven't shaved in a day - after shaving ;D
Quote from: Evelyn K on July 10, 2014, 11:23:32 PM
Not really similar to sunburn, it just still appears rough like you haven't shaved in a day - after shaving ;D
That sounds normal. Yea, after the treatment your face will feel a little rough. And for the next few days while your experiencing "fallout", it may seem like the hair has thickened. But don't worry. It's just your body ridding itself of dead hairs.
Ally :icon_flower:
Quote from: Evelyn K on July 10, 2014, 11:23:32 PM
Not really similar to sunburn, it just still appears rough like you haven't shaved in a day - after shaving ;D
Surface inflammation. Ice, keep away from the sun, and it should recover in a week. Ice pack for no more than 15 minutes at a time...
Yes, definitely be careful of the sun - the laser has also removed a layer or two of skin so you need to be extra careful of UV for a few days.
Quote from: Evelyn K on July 10, 2014, 07:40:07 PM
$60 yo! That was expensive. You know how many McDonalds Happy Meals I can buy with that much mulah? ;D
Here in oz, about 15. Happy meal toys are how to train your dragon ones ATM. So you'd have a nice flock of them.
On the other hand, $60 isn't that much in the big transition picture. Maybe a 0.5% of the total cost depending on what you end up having done...
With a benzocaine and menthol solution 20%/10% and holding with shrink wrap for 20 minutes I don't feel anything at all from the hairs on my upper lip, not from laser or electro. I dunno about what depth the numbness is supposed to penetrate but even the other side of my upper lip feels all tingly and dull when I do it.
I thought lidocaine was like supposed to be even stronger?
My only problem has been I get like 10 minutes max once I take the shrink wrap off before I will start to feel the roots burn and in 20 minutes I can feel the surface of my skin again.
Quote from: Hikari on July 11, 2014, 06:53:02 AM
I thought lidocaine was like supposed to be even stronger?
Lignocaine is a superior anaesthetic, but it's more the mode of delivery in this case.
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My only problem has been I get like 10 minutes max once I take the shrink wrap off before I will start to feel the roots burn and in 20 minutes I can feel the surface of my skin again.
That's due to poor penetration through the skin - not much agent making it through and what little that makes it through is metabolised quickly. Benzocaine tends not to stay around for long iirc.
I used to just put up with it, even though I had ready access to effective anaesthesia. Call me a masochist, ;D
Quote from: luna nyan on July 11, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
I used to just put up with it, even though I had ready access to effective anaesthesia. Call me a masochist, ;D
I do the same. Of course I treat myself at the moment so when it gets too bad I can take a break. Soon though, I'll be booking electro to rid myself of remaining grays so I'll no doubt feel it then.
Ally :icon_flower: