I have unnaturally short legs for my torso. Do you think there any surgeries to shorten your torso and thus reducing your height? I would like to reduce my height. A friend of mine had two vertebra's removed and now she's an inch shorter.Obviously there would be a market for it,cuz I know an awful lot of girls who have longer torso, shorter legs and wish they had the opposite. It's not like I do this only to make myself shorter, but to e well proportioned so I can look better, this surgery would be revolutionary AND very helpful to trans-girls that are very tall.
It'd be hard to find a surgeon who would want to operate on your spine, high risk of making you disabled (probably), plus it'd cost a lot I assume. But if there's someone out there who'd do that, I wanna know haha :D
Umm...
I don't know how to tell you this.. but I don't think anyone has vertebra removed for cosmetic reasons because your nervous system runs through there and even in the best of circumstances surgeons avoid touching the vertebra unless absolutely necessary (such as when you have a degenerative bone disease or cancer of the spine etc).
You would be risking paralysis or loss of sexual function, or in some cases even death.
Heels would be a far safer investment (not that I am discounting your dysphoria over your proportions, but I would hate to see something happen to you)
People sometimes have spinal surgery to fuse their vertebrae in order to relieve pain. I've read that it often doesn't help, at all. Spinal surgery has a very long recovery time, with lots of pain, and the risk of permanent paralysis. When all is said and done, the surgeon goes home with a nice fat paycheck, and you go home with cut skin, nerves, muscles and ligaments. If I was living with fair quality of life, I wouldn't let a surgeon anywhere near my spine with a scalpel, and probably wouldn't do so even if I didn't have fair quality of life.
Just don't do it... The surgery is very invasive and it's only for people who have medical problems not fot cosmetic reasons... Just wear heels (I don't like heels too but it's ok if you don't want to wear heels), or just accept yourself, like really there are many girls with the same problem and it's ok... Perfection is a disease of a nation u_u
In 28 years as a Paramedic I have never heard of a "torso" shortening surgery. It is unethical for many reasons and if you find someone to do it you will regret it. I don't even know any hospitals in the U.S. who would even consider it for a second. Some things just can't be changed.
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on July 17, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
In 28 years as a Paramedic I have never heard of a "torso" shortening surgery. It is unethical for many reasons and if you find someone to do it you will regret it. I don't even know any hospitals in the U.S. who would even consider it for a second. Some things just can't be changed.
Good words of wisdom here
That's some scary sick thought there. 'Bout as bad as me thinking, what if there was a way to extend the width of my hip bones to give me a more womanly hourglass shape, or shave some off my shoulder blades, rip my arms off and readjust them so my shoulders aren't as wide. Way too invasive even if possible, the risks are too great for that much vanity. I have an athletic built, I'll make do with it, it could be worst as that's not really a bad thing. Bad enough I'll be taking risks when I get surgery down there be it testicle removal or full SRS. I want a tracheal shave too, but even that gives me pause that something could go wrong, such as surgeon takes too much off, ruins my voice, or other complication. I couldn't ever think of someone pulling a Mortal Kombat move on me with my spinal cord. Finish her! >:-) No way! :o
Quote from: keityp on July 17, 2014, 02:11:14 PM
I have unnaturally short legs for my torso. Do you think there any surgeries to shorten your torso and thus reducing your height? I would like to reduce my height. A friend of mine had two vertebra's removed and now she's an inch shorter.Obviously there would be a market for it,cuz I know an awful lot of girls who have longer torso, shorter legs and wish they had the opposite. It's not like I do this only to make myself shorter, but to e well proportioned so I can look better, this surgery would be revolutionary AND very helpful to trans-girls that are very tall.
Perhaps, making your legs longer would be more practicable, though it would make you taller. Seriously, you would go through such extreme surgical procedures purely for vanity? Yes, the surgery would be 'revolutionary', but only in the sense that it would push the boundaries of extreme vanity and selfishness, and would do nothing to improve the human condition. It would only make it worse. The last I heard, Dr. Josef Heiter was performing some rather revolutionary surgeries.. This is the calibre of surgeon you'd be dealing with. Be careful what you wish for.
not to make fun of the issue , but how about some skull reduction
There *are* leg-lengthening surgeries already... but it's something like a year or more in a cast afterward, and incredibly brutal. I can't imagine anyone offering something as life-threateningly dangerous as torso shortening surgery. Speaking as someone who had major surgery that rearranged nerves and so on - it was scary as heck when all I was risking was genital sensation. There is NO WAY AT ALL I'd ever consider risking spinal nerves (as others have said, that way lies paralysis or death) purely for cosmetic reasons.
Like was said above, no surgeon with any reputation would go anywhere near your spinal cord in the name of vanity.
Quote from: Suziack on July 17, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
People sometimes have spinal surgery to fuse their vertebrae in order to relieve pain. I've read that it often doesn't help, at all. Spinal surgery has a very long recovery time, with lots of pain, and the risk of permanent paralysis. When all is said and done, the surgeon goes home with a nice fat paycheck, and you go home with cut skin, nerves, muscles and ligaments. If I was living with fair quality of life, I wouldn't let a surgeon anywhere near my spine with a scalpel, and probably wouldn't do so even if I didn't have fair quality of life.
I had a spinal fusion done 10 years ago on three of my thoracic vertebrae. I had 90* thoracic kyphosis that was corrected to 40* (top end of average). It was life-changing; the pain evaporated, and the aesthetic of my spine significantly improved.
However, I can pivot slightly less (not something I ever notice, tbh) and have a very visible scar running down the length of my spine. The procedure involved detaching the muscles and ligaments surrounding that area of the spine, placing bone chips between my vertebrae, and having titanium screwed along the length of my spine. It took three months to even walk at normal speeds, six months to feel normal, and a year to fully recover. The first month was horrible pain and discomfort; I could barely sleep, despite the percosets I was prescribed. I was extremely vulnerable during this time, and a single fall or poor motion had a high chance of being an extreme medical emergency.
Risks of surgery I believe were 10% infection, 5% paralysis, 1% death. I had none of those complications, thankfully, but the muscles surrounding my vertebrae (specifically, around my shoulder blades) are incapable of feeling to this day. At times, they tingle or very slightly burn. On the random plus side, having them touched or massaged feels like heaven.
As others have mentioned, it is a
very,
very serious surgery when the spine is involved. With that said, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.
Whatever it is you decide to do, keityp, I wish you the best of luck.
Sybill why did you get the surgery?
Quote from: Emily29 on July 17, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Sybill why did you get the surgery?
Sounds like Degenerative Disc Disease or injury to that section. No way I bet it was elective at all.
Quote from: Emily29 on July 17, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Sybill why did you get the surgery?
I think I said it in my post above, but I had 90* thoracic kyphosis (commonly referred to as roundback, some times hunchback). I was born with three of my vertebrae in a triangular shape, which lead to my spine curving an excessive amount.
The surgery was and was not elective. I had the option to forego it, but the (intense) pain would have persisted and there was a chance that my spine would have crushed my lungs much, much later in life.
Quote from: stephaniec on July 17, 2014, 06:14:09 PM
not to make fun of the issue , but how about some skull reduction
I'm so sorry...but I'm with Stephaniec...plus I smell troll. Can we lock this thread please...? The OP had only made 2 posts when they posted this earlier with this being their 2nd post.
I apologize if the OP is legitimate but...
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I do however believe there is nothing to add here, topic locked.
The only thing that I could find was this
http://www.realself.com/question/extreme-plastic-surgery-narrow-shoulders-rib-cage
I have a huge ribcage and manly broad shoulders :( I know that wearing a corset will help but I don't want to wait that much longer.The problem with my ribcage/shoulder width is that I have trouble finding clothes that fit I want to be a XS size(but right now I have to buy XL size(those are the sizes in my country)) I also suffer from Pectus Excavatum
I had a problem before with another question where an user called me troll but I'm NOT one I just want answers to my question(and definitely OUR questions since I'm sure I'm not the only one asking for this)
The ribcage/shoulder problem is a very common one, but unfortunately not one with a good universal solution. The best solutions I have been able to find are:
-corset training
-muscle loss
-fat redistribution to the hips (surgical or hormonal)
-surgical removal of the lower ribs
-dressing to hide the problem
-self-acceptance
In my case, I think I would look mostly okay with some corset training and fat redistribution, but I know there are cases where even that isn't enough. Sometimes you just have to figure out how to make the most of what you have.
Quote from: keityp on September 01, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
The only thing that I could find was this
http://www.realself.com/question/extreme-plastic-surgery-narrow-shoulders-rib-cage
I have a huge ribcage and manly broad shoulders :( I know that wearing a corset will help but I don't want to wait that much longer.The problem with my ribcage/shoulder width is that I have trouble finding clothes that fit I want to be a XS size(but right now I have to buy XL size(those are the sizes in my country)) I also suffer from Pectus Excavatum
I had a problem before with another question where an user called me troll but I'm NOT one I just want answers to my question(and definitely OUR questions since I'm sure I'm not the only one asking for this)
Unfortunately there is no way to do it, once your skeleton matures after puburty there isn't anything you can do but HRT will cause you to lose muscle and redistribute fat. You'll have a softer and more feminine look. Just let hormones do their work and you'll get better :)
You don't want to mess around with corsets or having surgery on your ribs; as someone who would need that to get a good figure, I've heard far to many horror stories. Just wear clothes that are flattering for your figure, and you might be ok. You'd be surprised what an A-line can do for you!
Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on September 01, 2014, 10:58:25 PM
Just wear clothes that are flattering for your figure, and you might be ok. You'd be surprised what an A-line can do for you!
I just said the exact same thing to someone else in another thread! :) :)
Most women learn how to dress for their body types, as very few of them have the classic hourglass shape. So we have to learn to do the same thing. I'm a size 16/XL up top and a size 12-14/L on the bottom, so most dresses don't look good on me. But an a-line skirt gives the illusion of curves. And when paired with a cardigan or loose top, I can also hide my waist. I also feel super cute in a flowy a-line skirt.
you have to see a real doctor not a quack , who knows about PE conditions and knows how to treat it.
messing with bone structure is risky. and a corset could make things worse for you.
Just to throw in some extra thoughts. The story isn't just about the rib cage, it's the lungs and heart underneath. It isn't a simple matter to dive in and shrink the rib cage. You have 10 ribs directly encompassing the heart and lungs and two lower ribs that provide support to some muscles. Taking out the lower ribs would affect the lungs, the diaphragm and heart as well. I am sure many have issues with breathing afterwards. Infection, pneumothorax, pain and rib regrowth are all very real possibilities. The rib cage is incredibly complex from an anatomy and physiological standpoint.
I too suffer with a large rib cage, but, for me at least, I am working more on the acceptance then the ability to change it. The more research I put into trying to change it, the more frustrated I become and I have learned to either wait for the technology to catch up and/or magic potions/devices to solve all the problems....
However, as was said before the options are corset training, fat redistribution, clothing and some pretty invasive surgical procedures.
My doctor told me that waist training corsets are safe, IF:
1) You don't rush it. Reduce size slowly over a longer period of time.
2) Don't attempt to reduce size dramatically.
3-4 inches at most is safe. Any more of a reduction and you risk messing up
your organs.
I'm 5'9 and my inseam is barely 30". I'm definitely going to have this surgery, I just need to know what surgeon does this a thoracic/ribcage surgeon or a neurosurgeon? I'm asking this because I found a surgeon who does "ribcage shortening" and neurosurgeon "spine shortening" What surgeon do I need to see to shrink my height.. .. and I don't care about the physical pain because i'd rather deal with that for a while than emotional pain. I just want to be at least 5'3-5'4, that would be ideal. well 5'5 sounds really good. my mom is 5'0 and I feel like the empire state building next to a ranch style house when I stand by her!!
thanks!
In all honesty, your height isn't bad at all. I'm a little taller and I never have an issue with anyone over it. Also, having your spine messed with for any reason other than to repair serious damage just seems awful risky and I don't think I would trust any doctor willing to do it.
I do hope you can learn to cope or accept that aspect of yourself as the alternatives just sound like it could invite a lot more physical issues than what you currently have with just being trans.
You can't shorten the spinal column.. The nerves cannot be cut and rejoined and far too many useful branches of nerves come out at various points all along it's length. I suppose spinal compression might be an option, but it could only be a very minimal amount.
5'9"? Not an issue. My wife is 5'11", she's cis and would never want to be any shorter. There are advantages to being tall. If you're worried about being read, I'm 6'2" and I only get "sir'd" occasionally over the phone now.
Besides, even if they could/would do this, why would you risk a lifetime of back problems? Trust me- back problems will ruin your life. Being read won't.
Stand tall and proud.
I've never heard of such surgeries but as a 5'11 tall amazon woman I have no issues with passing. There is rib removal to give you a more pronounced hourglass figure but there's nothing that can be done as far as shortening the spine or your height per se. I can't even imagine the huge dangers plus the large amounts of newly lose skin & muscle that would be an issue plus all of the scars. Besides that no respectful surgeon is going to dare to mess with a person's spine unless it's to correct a bone spur or damaged disk. Paralysis is something you never want to risk, all it would take is one knick to a nerve and bam you are now 3'6 confined to a wheel chair. My mom had a bone spur worked on just because she wanted to stay out of work longer for a blood clot in the leg issue. It was her greatest mistake of her life to get that surgery done because after she had a very minor procedure she is now disabled from it and will never be able to work again. She can still walk but only with severe pain in her legs, lower back & has all sorts of sensory issues. She takes enough pain killers every day to knock the edge off to kill a horse. All I'm saying is seriously consider the risks in any surgery as the worst can happen from time to time.
I don't want to sound mean but we have to accept that there are some things that we can't change about ourselves no matter how bad we would. I'd love to be 5'2-5'6 tall with a much smaller frame but the reality of life is that will never happen and I just have to move on and work on the things that I can change.
5'9 isn't a bad height, it's pretty average for girls. My mother is about 5'10. I'll echo what the others have said, in no way should you ever mess with your spine. Besides, what would the surgeon even do with the extra spinal cord that removing a vertebra would leave?
I wouldn't mind my height if I had very long legs like some girls on here, but knowing that I have the same inseam of a 5'0 girl is the worst i will always be a big tall monster! :(
Kelly, how many inches will I reduce with the surgery(compressing the spine)? I would love to be at least 2-4 inches shorter
maybe it would help to go to the down town area of your city on a busy shopping day and see the reality that women come in every conceivable shape and size.
Keityp
I merged 3 topics you started with asking the same question.
Please keep this in mind. There is a search feature and its better to respond to already running topics.
I now seen it has been already locked one time in a earlier one of the threads...
I agree and now will still keep the locked on the entire topic .