So I'll be getting my drivers license soon. My name is changed but there will still be that pesky little "F" >:(
I was thinking of putting a little sticker or piece of tape over it, but then maybe that would just draw attention to it? What do you say to someone who goes "Why does it say female?" How do you handle this?
I actually dated a guy who accidentally got marked "F" on his drivers' license. He hadn't got it changed because he said that they were trying to tell him he needed proof from a doctor?
Entirely depends where you live. California recently made it the law for example that drivers licenses etc should reflect the gender you present as. There is a push nationally to fix this for everyone, but it is an uphill battle as there are so few of us and so many bigots :P. As for covering it with a sticker, that might get you in legal trouble, and would probably call attention to it anyway... Frustrated on your behalf.
Mistakes do happen, though I think in the state ID department they are pretty rare. I cash checks and do other money related transactions every day, all day at work and have only ever seen one ID where the sex marker didn't match the person's perceived sex and that was a young lady who had an M on her licesne, and I know it was a legitmate mistake and not a case of her being transsexual because a coworker is related to her.
I said "oh, haha, they made a mistake..." :P
Seriously though, that is what I said. LOL
I'm not changing my gender marker until I know for sure my insurance will continue to cover female needs. If anyone questions the F, I'll probably just feign surprise and go, "Really?! I never noticed that! I just made sure my name and address were correct. Wow..." :D
-Jay
No one notices the gender marker. Like ever. I had a "M" when I looked like a girl and no one ever stumbled when they called me she. Similarly, for a time when I appeared male I had a "F". No one thinks anything of it, they go solely based on what they see when they look at you.
Fun fact the DMV put the wrong birthday on my licence. And then they got huffy with me when I didn't IMMEDIATELY go back in to fix it. I was 15, I had no incentive to go back yet because it wasn't stopping me from doing anything. I mean really, how do you get a BIRTHDAY wrong on an ID? The annoying part was it said I was younger than I am.
To me the important part is my name gets changed on my licence. As long as my name is male, people aren't gonna care. If anyone makes a deal about it, I won't go back to their business, or I'll complain to a manager or someone like that.
My question is, since it's much easier to change your gender on your passport, what is stopping people from changing it on the passport, then bringing it in as 'proof' that the DMV got it wrong? Because a passport is an acceptable ID instead of a birth certificate.
Like Jay, I'm not changing my gender marker until I'm sure I can get insurance coverage for female organ issues. I look at people's driver's license pretty often and I never look at the gender. I think it would be pretty rare that someone would notice.
Honestly, no one ever notices. I'm pretty small and I only pass maybe 40% of the time. I've had "M" on my license for months and bartenders call me "she" all the time after carding me. No one looks.
But I think the mistake excuse is completely valid and easy to use.
Yep no one who actually checks or looks at licenses a lot ever looks. I don't and I check between 5-10 a day 7 days a week. After a while checking DL/ID/Permit cards you just really don't care to look and only check the info you need like a DOB, restrictions, expirations date and so on without bothering with the info you don't need to do your job.
I have seen incorrect gender markers on my students' permits though and the parents have to jump through hoops to fix a mistake the DMV/DPS made...it's stupid....and a very valid excuse to use as to why it's "incorrect" hah.
I'm so glad they don't use gender markers on drivers licences where I live in Australia. Why do they need them in the US?
This whole "you have to jump through hoops to correct a DMV mistake" is insane to me. Shouldn't you just be able to show a correct, probably unmodified birth certificate to get it corrected!? Oh, red tape.
And nthing the "no one looks at gender marker" line, here. As a cashier, I have never looked at a gender marker on a DL/LP when checking ID for beer, cigs, etc. People base their gendering of you off what you look like, and if they "can't tell", your name.
Grace, I think the gender marker might be just because we're a slightly backwards nation that hasn't moved past that point yet. Best guess.
Quote from: Ms Grace on July 19, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
I'm so glad they don't use gender markers on drivers licences where I live in Australia. Why do they need them in the US?
I wish it was this way in the US, I don't find it necessary to put gender markers on licenses and I'm sure that's not just my opinion.. :/
If I couldn't tell from looking at you I'd go by your name, if that was unisex then I'd possibly look at the gender marker. I'd imagine the majority of people who did spot it, if they did, would be too awkward to bring it up to be honest.
In the UK at have gender's on our licenses, but hidden within the license code that most people don't know.
@lxndr i didnt know that, i thought there was no gender at all on the uk driving lic.
Yeah just say oh you never noticed, or made a mistake it if they said anything
Quote from: Ms Grace on July 19, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
I'm so glad they don't use gender markers on drivers licences where I live in Australia. Why do they need them in the US?
My dad once told me that it was for identification purposes, in the event that remains were unidentifiable. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but he was a cop so I always assumed that was the reason.
FWIW, you can change the gender on your License and even SS without changing the one listed with your insurance.
I wouldn't put tape over it. If you can get people to read you as male they will usually either not notice that detail or they will assume it is a typo.
Yes I agree with the not covering it because that just draws attention there. I know someone here who got in trouble for "defacing" her ID by burning a hole where the M was on her ID. A cop noticed it when she was being arrested though so it could have just been an added charge on top of the others....you know how cops can be if you are being obnoxious to them. They can find all kinds of obscure laws no one knew about to charge you with. I don't think it's a common thing to worry about.
Quote from: LordKAT on July 20, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
FWIW, you can change the gender on your License and even SS without changing the one listed with your insurance.
Is that legal? And wouldn't there be a chance for trouble if for some reason ID were required along with one's insurance information and they didn't match up?
I know of at least one trans guy who didn't change his insurance gender but did all the rest of his markers. As far as I'm aware, you don't have to make them match. If you have female organs, you want female insurance.
Quote from: rexyrex on July 20, 2014, 05:43:34 AM
@lxndr i didnt know that, i thought there was no gender at all on the uk driving lic.
It's hard to explain how to tell how to read it. Basically the second and third numbers after the beginning of your surname is the month you were born in. They add 5 to the second number after the letters of your surname if you're down as female. So if the second number is a 5 or 6 it's female, and if it's 0 or 1 it's male.
Eg: SURNA905 is male and SURNA955 is female
Hope that made sense.
Quote from: blink on July 21, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
Is that legal? And wouldn't there be a chance for trouble if for some reason ID were required along with one's insurance information and they didn't match up?
If you're talking about car insurance, the rules around that vary by state in the U.S. I don't know about laws elsewhere but it seems like a safe bet that they'll go by stated gender identity soon if they don't now.
We are talking medical insurance and far as I know it isn't illegal. It was suggested to do it that way on another trans site. If I remember or find it again, I'll tell you what it was.