Okay. So as the days dwindle for my hormones and therapy, I've been getting alot of mixed messages
through my meditation and aimless thinking.
I see very important moments of my life as female.....but
I physically, emotionally and mentally feel better as a male.
I don't know if it's just that part of my mind is accustomed to thinking that way.
Or it's just confusion from the lack of discussing my feelings towards my transitioning.
I'm also nervous about fertility problems, I do want bio-kids, I was thinking that, I should
wait until I do everything I feel comfortable doing as a female, over with first so I can
transition without dealing with that "grass is greener" anxiety.
Any comments? I'm at a lost.
Your body has a memory too and encodes experiences into your nervous system. Memories of my life pre transition are definitely of me in a male body, memories of events since transition have started to become mixed up and are now veering to "female". I doubt my pre transition perceptions of my physical gender will change, as much as I'd like them to.
What do you mean other than having children? Biological children are nice (if having a piece of your DNA live on through others is important to you) but they aren't the only way you can have kids.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
What do you mean other than having children? Biological children are nice (if having a piece of your DNA live on through others is important to you) but they aren't the only way you can have kids.
I want, to physically have children. I've heard of some FTM's who have gotten pregnant and kept the baby, I follow one on youtube.
I just don't.....know if that would be too confusing for the kid. (I tend to over and beyond think of things)
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
I want, to physically have children. I've heard of some FTM's who have gotten pregnant and kept the baby, I follow one on youtube.
I just don't.....know if that would be too confusing for the kid. (I tend to over and beyond think of things)
If you teach them to be open-minded while young, it will not be too confusing for your future child.
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
I want, to physically have children. I've heard of some FTM's who have gotten pregnant and kept the baby, I follow one on youtube.
I just don't.....know if that would be too confusing for the kid. (I tend to over and beyond think of things)
Even if that was confusing for them in the beginning (if they found out you birthed them when they were very young) they would eventually stop being confused as they grew older and understood more about the subject.
Truche'. I feel like most of my anxiety is coming from my family and my partner's.
One's judgmental, the other is close-minded. (feel like I'm having a mental break through!)
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
I want, to physically have children. I've heard of some FTM's who have gotten pregnant and kept the baby, I follow one on youtube.
I just don't.....know if that would be too confusing for the kid. (I tend to over and beyond think of things)
No offense but that is confusing and I don't think it makes transmen look so good.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 08:07:22 PM
No offense but that is confusing and I don't think it makes transmen look so good.
Your opinion is unwarranted and considering that you started off with "no offense", you realize that.
My family is disappointed I haven't popped out a baby, they know I would take better care of it than some of these other mom's I see. Thing is if I found the right guy I don't think I would object to having one. Pushing it out would be another story.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 08:10:13 PM
Your opinion is unwarranted and considering that you started off with "no offense", you realize that.
Well it is confusing, The whole feeling and knowing your a man is to not wanna bare a child in your womb sure alot of bio men and trans men have though about but I think a woman should carry a baby. Know unless you had it before you knew you were trans then that is different or if it was an accident.
Fact is, your opinions about a guy having a kid are not needed on a thread like this. If the thread had been asking what we thought of trans guys having biological children, then sure, but this is a person thread about one person, so your comment (which didn't pertain to the original post at all) was unnecessary and not helpful to the OP.
It's not confusing when you think about it at the most basic level, we are all human, most humans have an urge to sow their seed, whether male or female, trans people cannot do this in the traditional way for their target sex, so some choose to go an alternative route.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 08:19:55 PM
Fact is, your opinions about a guy having a kid are not needed on a thread like this. If the thread had been asking what we thought of trans guys having biological children, then sure, but this is a person thread about one person, so your comment (which didn't pertain to the original post at all) was unnecessary and not helpful to the OP.
It's not confusing when you think about it at the most basic level, we are all human, most humans have an urge to sow their seed, whether male or female, trans people cannot do this in the traditional way for their target sex, so some choose to go an alternative route.
A man is not suppose to bare a child, I want kids to probaly more than most people because I'm good with kids, but I don't wanna do it that way plus I am straight anyways., I'd giv a woman my egg and mix my dads sperm less confusing because they know who daddy and mommy is. I'm not trying to be an ass but yes its weird. Especially for he child growing older and then realizing men aren't suppose to bare kids.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
A man is not suppose to bare a child, I want kids to probaly more than most people because I'm good with kids, but I don't wanna do it that way plus I am straight anyways., I'd giv a woman my egg and mix my dads sperm less confusing because they know who daddy and mommy is. I'm not trying to be an ass but yes its weird. Especially for he child growing older and then realizing men aren't suppose to bare kids.
From your posts around here, it's obvious you adhere far to strictly to what a man is "supposed" to do and what a woman is "supposed" to do. You'll be much happier when you loosen up a little and realize that there is one way to be a man, nor is there one way to be a woman.
You'd have a child created from your egg and your father's sperm? That would be inbreeding.
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 06:29:14 PM
Okay. So as the days dwindle for my hormones and therapy, I've been getting alot of mixed messages
through my meditation and aimless thinking.
I see very important moments of my life as female.....but
I physically, emotionally and mentally feel better as a male.
I don't know if it's just that part of my mind is accustomed to thinking that way.
Or it's just confusion from the lack of discussing my feelings towards my transitioning.
I'm also nervous about fertility problems, I do want bio-kids, I was thinking that, I should
wait until I do everything I feel comfortable doing as a female, over with first so I can
transition without dealing with that "grass is greener" anxiety.
Any comments? I'm at a lost.
echo_artist
My comments relate to my experience as a male bodied non binary who has worked extensively with my endo to treat my dysphoria and manage emotional/physical change so as best to meet my objectives.
I found that stopping hrt just didn't work - the dysphoria came back, at least as intensely as I had experienced before commencing hrt.
I found that stepping up, maintaining and stepping down lower dosages of hrt had profound emotional and rate of physical impact. Recording, discussing and understanding what has been happening has caused the endo to encourage me to continue to flex my therapy under his supervision.
With this approach I have found a sweet spot, which when supported by other feminisation allows me to better express and own my non binary nature.
It would be nice to find a binary outcome which I can live with, but I can't. My approach takes a bit of care and effort, but it is empowering and has taken me to a much better place. I feel blessed and hope that this may be of help or at least of interest to you.
Safe travels
Aisla
echo_artist
Your questions are fair, and your concerns are valid. I do not subscribe to the view that M do this, and F do that, but I do subscribe to the view that this is your life. Your responsibility is to live your life as authentically, and as powerfully as you can
For many of us, our dysphoria becomes increasingly unmanageable as we age. Many of us have had families and children, and then sought to understand, accept, express and love or embrace ourselves.
You are coming to this issue earlier than most. I wish you well. You may choose to de transition, or to continue to a non binary or binary transition. All of these options are valid.
I wish you well.
Safe travels
Aisla
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 08:35:41 PM
From your posts around here, it's obvious you adhere far to strictly to what a man is "supposed" to do and what a woman is "supposed" to do. You'll be much happier when you loosen up a little and realize that there is one way to be a man, nor is there one way to be a woman.
You'd have a child created from your egg and your father's sperm? That would be inbreeding.
I'm a christian so no I will not loosen up as I stated a man should not bare a child. And I said I will use my egg and get sperm for my wife. Most people use other peoples sperm related to them duh. And I look like my father. Or either ill end up with a woman who has a baby and father the child. My dad did it with my sister and I never knew that my dad wasn't her real dad until about 9 or 10. And yes there are certain hings a man and woman should do idk wha kind of world you live in but thats just how I was brought up. No I am not trying to start an arguement because its a free country but my oppinion is gonna stay the same.
Christians don't all believe that you aren't a man if you do 'this' or don't do 'that' or that you aren't a woman if you do 'this' or don't do 'that'. ;)
Trust me, the world will not end if a man has a child. You may not agree with it or like it, but this poster doesn't need you hating on his possible choices.
It'd be a lot simpler to use your wife's egg and the sperm of a male you are related to. Otherwise you have to take a regimen of female hormones to ready your body to produce eggs and then have a surgical procedure for the egg retrieval.
Nothing wrong with having a child as a trans* man, don't listen to others biased bigotry of social construct of what a man can and can't do ;). Just be you
Quote from: Skyler Lusk on July 18, 2014, 08:58:13 PM
don't listen to others biased bigotry of social construct of what a man can and can't do ;). Just be you
If we listened to others about that, we wouldn't be transitioning, or calling ourselves men, seeing as I don't think society would agree that a man can menstruate.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 08:53:13 PM
Christians don't all believe that you aren't a man if you do 'this' or don't do 'that' or that you aren't a woman if you do 'this' or don't do 'that'. ;)
Trust me, the world will not end if a man has a child. You may not agree with it or like it, but this poster doesn't need you hating on his possible choices.
It'd be a lot simpler to use your wife's egg and the sperm of a male you are related to. Otherwise you have to take a regimen of female hormones to ready your body to produce eggs and then have a surgical procedure for the egg retrieval.
Most christians do and trust me I am far from a hater because he's the one who is going to have alot of explainning to do. Thats why you freeze them Ill have the money for it. Again its a free country and you should be able to do what you wanna do but that is confusing and I am sure many transguys would agree it defeats the whole purpose. I can understand wanting it to be related to you but. Even my dad is just a doner and he wouldn't be my father if he didn't love me or provide for me, same with my mom.
Quote from: Skyler Lusk on July 18, 2014, 08:58:13 PM
Nothing wrong with having a child as a trans* man, don't listen to others biased bigotry of social construct of what a man can and can't do ;). Just be you
I am not a bigot far from it dude.
Not really sure how its hard to explain that your father is a transgender male who gave birth to a child.
Quote from: Skyler Lusk on July 18, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
Not really sure how its hard to explain that your father is a transgender male who gave birth to a child.
Dude a man is not suppose to give birth you know how many people think transmen are a joke because of it(Thomas Beatie). Know I completely understand if you had the child before you knew that, or if you were raped I whole heartedly get that. But I can not understand for the life of me why you would want to willingly want to do that.
But it is a free country and he has the right to do what he wants. I'm not knocking him for it but I do find odd and confusing. I am more liberal but I also know that confusion is not good.
You live in a way because it fits who you are and what you need, not because it is less confusing for others.
:laugh: So just do you what you feel like doing
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:02:47 PM
Most christians do and trust me I am far from a hater because he's the one who is going to have alot of explainning to do. Thats why you freeze them Ill have the money for it. Again its a free country and you should be able to do what you wanna do but that is confusing and I am sure many transguys would agree it defeats the whole purpose. I can understand wanting it to be related to you but.
Defeats the whole purpose of what? Transitioning? The purpose of transitioning is to feel more comfortable in your own body and be seen as your true gender. Do you know how many trans men have lived as men, been pregnant (while still living as men), had the child, and are currently still being seen as men (some even while having the knowledge out there that they birthed their own child? Quite a few. For some people having a child that is related to them is so important that they are willing to put up with the dysphoria of being pregnant in order to have that child.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:02:47 PM
Even my dad is just a doner and he wouldn't be my father if he didn't love me or provide for me, same with my mom.
Honestly, I really can't understand a lot of what you are trying to say. The spelling and sentence structure is just unreadable.
BTW, you shouldn't be so quick to side with gender rigid people on the "men do only this and women do only that", because most of them are ones that would say you are not a man, but rather a delusional woman.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
Defeats the whole purpose of what? Transitioning? The purpose of transitioning is to feel more comfortable in your own body and be seen as your true gender. Do you know how many trans men have lived as men, been pregnant (while still living as men), had the child, and are currently still being seen as men (some even while having the knowledge out there that they birthed their own child? Quite a few. For some people having a child that is related to them is so important that they are willing to put up with the dysphoria of being pregnant in order to have that child.
Honestly, I really can't understand a lot of what you are trying to say. The spelling and sentence structure is just unreadable.
BTW, you shouldn't be so quick to side with gender rigid people on the "men do only this and women do only that", because most of them are ones that would say you are not a man, but rather a delusional woman.
No it defeats the whole purpose of being a man for most people actually, I don't have that much of a problem with it like I said do what you want but again it's confusing. And for the record all my bio male friends see me as strictly male and are cool with the fact that I am trans all my friends actually. Everyone is starting to understand me and everyone respects me.
Quote from: Skyler Lusk on July 18, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
Not really sure how its hard to explain that your father is a transgender male who gave birth to a child.
Impossible apparently, because at the same time you must be raising your child within an absurdly rigid set of gender roles.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:15:33 PM
No it defeats the whole purpose of being a man and for the record all my bio male friends see me as strictly male and are cool with the fact that I am trans all my friends actually. Everyone is starting o understand me.
You are getting ridiculously close to the point of saying that being trans is a choice. "Defeats the purpose of being a man"? For that to be true trans people would have to choose to be men or women, rather than what is really happening, them choosing to transition.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:17:16 PM
You are getting ridiculously close to the point of saying that being trans is a choice. "Defeats the purpose of being a man"? For that to be true trans people would have to choose to be men or women, rather than what is really happening, them choosing to transition.
Okay no I am trans so why would I say something like that. All I said was if your a man who just happens to be trans and willingly wants to have a baby then prepare to get alot of looks and questions .
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:02:47 PM
Most christians do and trust me I am far from a hater because he's the one who is going to have alot of explainning to do. Thats why you freeze them Ill have the money for it. Again its a free country and you should be able to do what you wanna do but that is confusing and I am sure many transguys would agree it defeats the whole purpose. I can understand wanting it to be related to you but. Even my dad is just a doner and he wouldn't be my father if he didn't love me or provide for me, same with my mom.
Personally, I can't afford to freeze or even go through a transfer process with an egg. I can barely afford college and living. I identify as a pansexual male as is. So there's not much choice financially. I don't mind going through the pain to build a happy family. I've spoken to this with my partner, and he's fine with it. I wouldn't feel the same connection as I do with a kid that is "third party" (dont know how else to describe it) to me.
I've raised all of my nieces and nephew, I don't give two ->-bleeped-<-s about them at the end of the day. I want to feel like I can't be without my child. That's all.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:16:06 PM
Impossible apparently, because at the same time you must be raising your child within an absurdly rigid set of gender roles.
First of all when I do decide to have children if I even do, I can raise my child however I please. My child would live a gender netural life until a certain point in life.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:23:36 PM
First of all when I do decide to have children if I even do, I can raise my child however I please. My child would live a gender netural life until a certain point in life.
Based on your posts on this site, I very highly doubt that.
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
Personally, I can't afford to freeze or even go through a transfer process with an egg. I can barely afford college and living. I identify as a pansexual male as is. So there's not much choice financially. I don't mind going through the pain to build a happy family. I've spoken to this with my partner, and he's fine with it. I wouldn't feel the same connection as I do with a kid that is "third party" (dont know how else to describe it) to me.
I've raised all of my nieces and nephew, I don't give two ->-bleeped-<-s about them at the end of the day. I want to feel like I can't be without my child. That's all.
And I understand that but to many people get caught up with the idea that in order for the child to be yours you have put sperm in a woman or you have to birth a child. That's far from what makes you a mother and a father. Its caring and loving for that child. My sisters sperm doner left her and to her thats not her dad or father because he wasn't their at all. But please don't think I am a bigot for what I just so happen to belive like some people think I am. I have seen numerous families and didn't even know that thoes weren't some of thoes peoples bio kids sure thats the only way I can put it but the love that they showed them would make you believe they actually were.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:27:14 PM
Based on your posts on this site, I very highly doubt that.
Go ahead and doubt me I love when people do that! ;D
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:35:24 PM
Go ahead and doubt me I love when people do that! ;D
Probably in the same way I love when people define what makes other men not men! :D
So I'm guessing.... I'm not "man" enough to transition is what I'm getting?
I'm already conflicted by this thought.
I already don't see male and female as a thing (i grew up that lack of knowledge).
I just want a family. No extra people, I already have problems coping with people
prodding into my relationship. I don't someone ->-bleeped-<-ing up a baby for me (sorry for the lewd language)
I understand that method. I was considering that if I were to have a long term with a female partner.
But my lover is a cismale and we both want a "bio-child". I'm even willing to give my eggs away, just to not
deal with it after I give birth. I just want our child to be made on a more intimate and loving level more than
a process.
Both can bring the same level of love. But I like to work for what I want. So I'm willing to have dysphoria for 9 months
just to see something of ours brought into the world.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:38:42 PM
Probably in the same way I love when people define what makes other men not men! :D
Well I am sorry but I am a christian and I don't believe that. Sorry and you will never change that at all! And there are certain things that define a man but again you don't seem to get it.
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:44:38 PM
So I'm guessing.... I'm not "man" enough to transition is what I'm getting?
I'm already conflicted by this thought.
I already don't see male and female as a thing (i grew up that lack of knowledge).
I just want a family. No extra people, I already have problems coping with people
prodding into my relationship. I don't someone ->-bleeped-<-ing up a baby for me (sorry for the lewd language)
I understand that method. I was considering that if I were to have a long term with a female partner.
But my lover is a cismale and we both want a "bio-child". I'm even willing to give my eggs away, just to not
deal with it after I give birth. I just want our child to be made on a more intimate and loving level more than
a process.
Both can bring the same level of love. But I like to work for what I want. So I'm willing to have dysphoria for 9 months
just to see something of ours brought into the world.
Having a child naturally will not make you any less of a man. Don't let Brandon's skewed sense of what makes a man affect you. There are no things a man can do that would make him less of a man.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
Well I am sorry but I am a christian and I don't believe that. Sorry and you will never change that at all! And there are certain things that define a man but again you don't seem to get it.
You should quit using your religion as a justification for your bigotry.
BTW, here's the definition of man:
- an adult male human being
Looks like none of us meet the qualifications.
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:44:38 PM
So I'm guessing.... I'm not "man" enough to transition is what I'm getting?
I'm already conflicted by this thought.
I already don't see male and female as a thing (i grew up that lack of knowledge).
I just want a family. No extra people, I already have problems coping with people
prodding into my relationship. I don't someone ->-bleeped-<-ing up a baby for me (sorry for the lewd language)
I understand that method. I was considering that if I were to have a long term with a female partner.
But my lover is a cismale and we both want a "bio-child". I'm even willing to give my eggs away, just to not
deal with it after I give birth. I just want our child to be made on a more intimate and loving level more than
a process.
Both can bring the same level of love. But I like to work for what I want. So I'm willing to have dysphoria for 9 months
just to see something of ours brought into the world.
No I think you are man enough if you wanna carry a baby and still transition just like your man enough to deal with a cycle every month, all I said was that it confuses me and most people and most peopl won't take it to well and will see you as joke never said I did. I just don't believe a man should carry a baby. But as I stated a hella lot of times you have every right.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
You should quit using your religion as a justification for your bigotry.
BTW, here's the definition of man:
- an adult male human being
Looks like none of us meet the qualifications.
I am not bigot, I get sick of people calling people who don't believe certain things bigots it mskes you sound stupid maybe you need to pick up a bible and read it but your probaly not religious so nevermind. Everyone has a damn oppinion jist cuz you don't agree doesn't give you have a right to call me names. You take stuff to personal dude. The OP didn't even jump down my throat like you.
You're right...But being around alot of people that say that me not having SRS or having children
conflicts me.
I personally, don't take sudden changes (cosmetic surgeries) too well. Unless I get talked through it, but having
such a strong shift of change, will freak me the hell out.
I feel like a crossdresser at times...because I identify as a male before anything. I don't mind wearing women's
clothing, just at times I forget I'm an actual women and I get sexually harassed.
And I'm asking for help because, me growing up without a lack of gender identification (or anything thing of the sort)
makes it harder for me to understand where I stand on the trans scale(if you will).
I wanna wear a dress on my wedding day, while I'm taking hormones is friggin beyond me!
So I'm going bat ->-bleeped-<- to understand why these female "tendencies" (i guess) are there when I identify as a male.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
I am not bigot, I get sick of people calling people who don't believe certain things bigots it mskes you sound stupid maybe you need to pick up a bible and read it but your probaly not religious so nevermind.
No, what makes people sound stupid is to tell someone they disagree with to pick up a Bible and read it as if that is an actual argument.
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:51:13 PM
No I think you are man enough if you wanna carry a baby and still transition just like your man enough to deal with a cycle every month, all I said was that it confuses me and most people and most peopl won't take it to well and will see you as joke never said I did. I just don't believe a man should carry a baby. But as I stated a hella lot of times you have every right.
Continually stating that men don't bear is implying that people who do bear children are not men.
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:56:38 PM
You're right...But being around alot of people that say that me not having SRS or having children
conflicts me.
I personally, don't take sudden changes (cosmetic surgeries) too well. Unless I get talked through it, but having
such a strong shift of change, will freak me the hell out.
I feel like a crossdresser at times...because I identify as a male before anything. I don't mind wearing women's
clothing, just at times I forget I'm an actual women and I get sexually harassed.
And I'm asking for help because, me growing up without a lack of gender identification (or anything thing of the sort)
makes it harder for me to understand where I stand on the trans scale(if you will).
I wanna wear a dress on my wedding day, while I'm taking hormones is friggin beyond me!
So I'm going bat ->-bleeped-<- to understand why these female "tendencies" (i guess) are there when I identify as a male.
Are you calling SRS "cosmetic surgery"? It's far from cosmetic.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
Having a child naturally will not make you any less of a man. Don't let Brandon's skewed sense of what makes a man affect you. There are no things a man can do that would make him less of a man.
As I stated before I do have an oppinion on this matter don't talk about me though.
Echo dude you have to do what makes you happy. It's totally fine to want to carry your own child or to wear a dress at your wedding while being on HRT or anything you want. Being trans means you get to define who you are and what will make you the happiest version of yourself. It's different for everyone but don't feel that you have to or don't have to do anything because you truly can do whatever is best for you.
I hope that makes sense.
Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
No, what makes people sound stupid is to tell someone they disagree with to pick up a Bible and read it as if that is an actual argument.
Continually stating that men don't bear is implying that people who do bear children are not men.
Are you calling SRS "cosmetic surgery"? It's far from cosmetic.
No you do sound stupid you wonder why it takes non lgbt people a hella lot of time to understand because as soon as they say something that offends you there automatically a bigot. I am kinda glad I don't have that many lgbt friends because to many of you get offended by little things and get mad because what people believe I don't call any of you guys bigots or confused because of your choices so you have no right to do it to me!!
Not every trans person is going to be the same, femininity does not necessarily equal female, and masculinity does not necessary equal male. Not all FTMs are going to be hyper-masculine, the same way not all MTFs are going to be hyper-feminine. It's not about something being "weird" or "out of the norm" By transphobes standards, we are the ones "out of the norm." The point is, be happy, do what you want. If you identify as male, your ARE male, no matter what you choose to do in life. You can't expect everyone to like the same thing as different things make different people happy.
I thought as trans* people most of us would understand that right to be happy.
And please stop with the senseless arguing and calling of others "stupid", you are going a little off topic now.
Thanks everyone. I appreciate all opinions.
I guess it's my turn to choose...
Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 10:04:44 PM
No you do sound stupid you wonder why it takes non lgbt people a hella lot of time to understand because as soon as they say something that offends you there automatically a bigot. I am kinsmda glad I don't have that many lgbt friends because to many of you get offended by little things and get mad because what people believe I don't cally any of you guys bigots or confused because of your choices so you hav no right to do it to me!!
::)
Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:56:38 PM
You're right...But being around alot of people that say that me not having SRS or having children
conflicts me.
I personally, don't take sudden changes (cosmetic surgeries) too well. Unless I get talked through it, but having
such a strong shift of change, will freak me the hell out.
I feel like a crossdresser at times...because I identify as a male before anything. I don't mind wearing women's
clothing, just at times I forget I'm an actual women and I get sexually harassed.
And I'm asking for help because, me growing up without a lack of gender identification (or anything thing of the sort)
makes it harder for me to understand where I stand on the trans scale(if you will).
I wanna wear a dress on my wedding day, while I'm taking hormones is friggin beyond me!
So I'm going bat ->-bleeped-<- to understand why these female "tendencies" (i guess) are there when I identify as a male.
Maybe you are just a feminine guy or maybe you just identify as both, But yes alot of times you will get conflicted because you don't for instamce want srs or ar comfortable with sex but everyones dysphoria level is different. But like I said you just sound like a feminine guy to me but nothing wrong with that.
:police: Sorry folks :police:
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