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Alright, guys and girls. I've got a poll for you.

Would you rather:
A. Live a rich and successful life, a millionaire, possibly famous... But living with the torture of being the wrong gender?

B. Live a life of poverty, living on the streets, not knowing where your next meal is coming from... (like, POOR. Can't even afford something from the Dollar Store) But living as the correct gender?

And no, you can't just transition when you're rich and successful. You're the wrong gender as long as you live.

Also, you stay these ways the rest of your life. You never get out of poverty, you never stop being rich.

My personal choice is B. I worry more about growing up as a man then I do about being poor, so B is for me.

How about you guys and gals?

iiMTF

I'm already poor... Might as well have the right body.

I don't really like rich people all that much anyway :P

I'm transitioning to escape the hell that was my body, I knew there was a very real chance of being permanently unemployed and rejected by friends and family, so in a way, I already made the decision when I decided to transition.

Quote from: bluebirdx88 on September 03, 2014, 08:10:22 PM
I'm already poor... Might as well have the right body.

I don't really like rich people all that much anyway :P

No, DROP DEAD POOR. You have the technology to post on Susan's. I am talking about someone with no house, no computer, no phone, no nothing.

Also... not a snobby rich person. Just a good ol' successful nice rich person with a dark secret.

iiMTF

Quote from: iiMTF on September 03, 2014, 08:14:06 PM
No, DROP DEAD POOR. You have the technology to post on Susan's. I am talking about someone with no house, no computer, no phone, no nothing.

Also... not a snobby rich person. Just a good ol' successful nice rich person with a dark secret.

iiMTF

Considering that I already dumpster dive for food, and have experience squatting... ... Yep, B.

Depends....if I'm a biological male that feels like a female, I choose A.  I'll just suppress it and try my best to be happy with the male privilege.

If I'm a biological female, like I am now, then that is difficult.  I guess I will choose A in that case too.  I don't plan on living a long life anyways, so I might as well enjoy it while I can and have money and a successful life.  If I live past 40, then I must have done something wrong in my life in my opinion.  With that being said I have less than 20 years to go.  I think I'd be able to manage that.  Besides,  I can have the money to pay for therapy to deal with my issues, and I can dress as a "butch" lesbian.

The way I see it is I'm going to have a miserable life, whether I transition or not.  Transition isn't going to solve all of my problems, but money sure comes closer to doing so.

That is where I stand.

Id give everything to have the right body, everything.

Quote from: King Malachite on September 03, 2014, 08:19:17 PM
Depends....if I'm a biological male that feels like a female, I choose A.  I'll just suppress it and try my best to be happy with the male privilege.

If I'm a biological female, like I am now, then that is difficult.  I guess I will choose A in that case too.  I don't plan on living a long life anyways, so I might as well enjoy it while I can and have money and a successful life.  If I live past 40, then I must have done something wrong in my life in my opinion.  With that being said I have less than 20 years to go.  I think I'd be able to manage that.  Besides,  I can have the money to pay for therapy to deal with my issues, and I can dress as a "butch" lesbian.

The way I see it is I'm going to have a miserable life, whether I transition or not.  Transition isn't going to solve all of my problems, but money sure comes closer to doing so.

That is where I stand.

Why do you only plan on living until 40? Most people are living until like 80, nowadays.

Is this for medical reasons, do you think a medical problem is going to kill you? Or are you just going to leave the Earth yourself at that age?

iiMTF

Quote from: FalseHybridPrincess on September 03, 2014, 08:22:32 PM
Id give everything to have the right body, everything.

Same here <3

Patience is a b-I mean jerk, tho.

iiMTF

Quote from: iiMTF on September 03, 2014, 08:28:01 PM
Why do you only plan on living until 40? Most people are living until like 80, nowadays.

Is this for medical reasons, do you think a medical problem is going to kill you? Or are you just going to leave the Earth yourself at that age?

iiMTF

Meh, it's kind of too long-winded and it's most likely will drift from the topic.  I'd rather not go into it though.

Quote from: King Malachite on September 03, 2014, 08:31:56 PM
Meh, it's kind of too long-winded and it's most likely will drift from the topic.  I'd rather not go into it though.

Okay... But make sure to talk to a therapist or something about it, if you haven't already. I don't want to see my friends here at Susan's pass.

iiMTF

I was going to pick rich because then I'd just transition, and buy myself a mansion, and start a granting organization to help trans people with transition, education, and getting ahead in life... but then you made that not allowed =/

I think I'd still rather pick rich. Because if I didn't have gender issues, I probably would be ignorant and maybe even intolerant of those issues. And I'd rather be sympathetic and hiding than be ignorant and unkind. I could still help other transfolk, financially speaking, even if I felt that I myself was trapped and transition wasn't an option. If I ever get rich I've already promised myself I'd have a secret room in my home that no one would ever know about (hidden behind either a bookshelf or a fireplace - maybe one of each). So I'd have enough money for that, and I'd fill it with all my secrets, and spend time in there being myself.

It's a rough life when you can't do all the things you want to do. I feel like the best way to make that meaningful is to help others.

So that's what I'd like to do.

I'll take rich. I'm wealthy now and I like being able to enjoy my life on my own terms.

I've been making my choice by the way I live.

I've given tens of thousands of dollars to transition. I'm far less financially comfortable, live in a much smaller house, etc. because of it.

So clearly, being myself is more important than money.

I picked poor but mixed feelings about it. It is that in the creative branch you are allowed to be different and it is appreciated even. But I love my job. At the moment it is already difficult to get a job but if me being transgender would mean I would have to live my life poor, with a simple job and not being able to work on my career then I would have ignored it.

Alrighttt you can't just ignore it > _ <. But before I even opened up to my feelings it was my creative way of living which kept it somewhat stable, unless I was alone. I would just literally work 24/7 o.o.

Quote from: Kirey on September 12, 2014, 03:27:25 PM
I picked poor but mixed feelings about it. It is that in the creative branch you are allowed to be different and it is appreciated even. But I love my job. At the moment it is already difficult to get a job but if me being transgender would mean I would have to live my life poor, with a simple job and not being able to work on my career then I would have ignored it.

Alrighttt you can't just ignore it > _ <. But before I even opened up to my feelings it was my creative way of living which kept it somewhat stable, unless I was alone. I would just literally work 24/7 o.o.

You can keep the same job and be poor. You can be the CEO of Microsoft and be poor. :P

iiMTF

Just to throw a monkey wrench in to the rich versus poor this is how I look at it.  I am a humble not really rich person nor super poor either money wise but I feel that a transition would make me rich in mind and soul so depends on what you mean by rich.  Of course money is nice but as the old saying goes it does not buy happiness so I would rather be rich in soul and poor on cash then poor on soul and rich on money.

I've been homeless poor, and I've been working 3 jobs and still skipping meals to feed my kid poor, and I grew up in a family where we lied and said we had electricity and water so nobody would make fun of us. I once sold all my music so I could buy candy to hand out to the trick or treaters who wouldn't even come to our house anyway. I used to work overtime at Popeye's and part time telemarketing and still regularly sold plasma to buy diapers. I weaned my kid at 13 months because she was too small and baby food was cheaper than getting enough rest to make milk. Years of unrelenting poverty is part of what led me to the conclusion that hard work has nothing to do with accomplishment. My parents worked hard and I worked hard, but nobody ever had enough of anything. When I was a child I thought we were wealthy because we had a Nintendo and none of my friends could afford one. In hindsight, ours was probably stolen. My brother was a typical delinquent. I'm proud that I've managed to make sure that my kid has never had to sleep outside. When we've been in between apartments or hotels or shelters, I let her sleep in my lap while I stayed awake at Waffle House or whatever. She never had to know that we were having financial problems.

Anyway. Sorry for rambling. I've known a number of people in high tax brackets and it's totally possible to be rich and still be a good person, but I'll take poor and cis in a heartbeat over trans and wealthy. I'd be worried that if I were not living in poverty, people might see my being trans as an affectation or eccentricity. Poor people get judged and treated badly in all sorts of ways but people usually accept their authenticity.

Seen a few post by you Felix and I agree with you a fair bit and to be honest you are richer in the mind and soul then most wealthy people.  I do wish you were not that poor of course but I cant help ya there:( Like you said there are nice/good rich people but more likely its the poor that are nicer and better people:)

I hope you win the lottery or something it sounds like you deserve a break:)

If my partner didn't have an opinion, I would rather live in the woods under a slab of cardboard than be rich and unable to transition.

If I was rich I'd buy a bionic cock that put any biodicks to shame.

Not sure why I put poor and the right body x_x. I honestly am way too much career focussed. I do not care so much about money so maybe that is why but I do put my career in front of a lot of things.

I'm already poor, so right body any day.

I'm poor right now. If someone gave me the choice of having the right body or 10 million dollars, though, I'd definitely pick the right body. I don't need a lot of money to be happy. All I ever want with money is enough to be comfortable, which I can earn on my own as it is.

Other, because if I was poor and had the right body, I wouldn't be who I am. If I was rich and had the wrong body, I ain't rich but do have the wrong body or what nature dealt me, I wouldn't be me.

I am who I am. All the derogatory names aside, all the other BS aside and dysphoria aside. I'm me. without all the other crap, I wouldn't be me. Cursed? Oh yeah it definitely feels like that. Blessed? Not as much as cursed but still has some advantages. So what am I? I really don't know and wish someone could tell me. I just know who I am and that is priceless to me. No matter how much I may hate what I am sometimes. Who I am though gives me that little sliver of hope. Yeah I know because it don't make much sense to me either. :-\ :'(

Quote from: Eevee on November 20, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
I'm poor right now. If someone gave me the choice of having the right body or 10 million dollars, though, I'd definitely pick the right body. I don't need a lot of money to be happy. All I ever want with money is enough to be comfortable, which I can earn on my own as it is.

Completely agree with you Eevee money is nice to survive but if you made me rich beyond my wildest dreams I'd use it to get the right body anyway so either way the end result would be the same.

This is a no brainer for me - I would give away every last cent to have the right gender and make the dysphoria go away.
Sadly there are some things money can't buy and this is one them.

Quite a few variants on this poll also come to mind, for example:

- Poor and pass perfectly OR rich and not pass
- Poor and allowed to transition OR rich but not allowed to transition (e.g. must present birth gender and do without any HRT, FFS, BA, GRS etc.)
- Poor and be born cis OR rich and have to go through transition

I'd take being poor and being born with a matching brain and body any day. I'm already poor, and it's not like taking a couple steps down would make much of a difference.

All the money in the world isn't worth being miserable.  It's a no-brainer really.

I've been rich. I've been poor..

I'll take poor and happy with who I am any day.

As along as I'm happy and me I don't care so if that means I have to be poor so be it.
Mariah

Definitely B for me


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I'm already living option b.  Its rough, but worth it.  Homelessness is a lot harder when you are trans though

I've been homeless,  alone and very, very hungry.  I'm currently close to rich.  Suicidal thoughts only came because of not being me....

Poor any day.

Hugs

Jen

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Quote from: iiMTF on September 03, 2014, 08:07:07 PM
Alright, guys and girls. I've got a poll for you.

Would you rather:
A. Live a rich and successful life, a millionaire, possibly famous... But living with the torture of being the wrong gender?

B. Live a life of poverty, living on the streets, not knowing where your next meal is coming from... (like, POOR. Can't even afford something from the Dollar Store) But living as the correct gender?

And no, you can't just transition when you're rich and successful. You're the wrong gender as long as you live.

Also, you stay these ways the rest of your life. You never get out of poverty, you never stop being rich.

My personal choice is B. I worry more about growing up as a man then I do about being poor, so B is for me.

How about you guys and gals?

iiMTF

You know, at first I had a long thought about it, thinking only me me me as usual.  But then I came to my senses.

I chose rich for a simple reason: it is the selfless choice. It is the one that would allow me to actually do stuff for others, to make this busted up world of ours a bit better, even if just a tad bit. To be able to try and sponsor research to solve the things that mortify myself the most as a human: our inability to cure total blindness, to regrow limbs, to cure permanent disabling conditions such as diabetes and cancer and of course to detect and cure gender dysphoria even before the baby is born.

And as a very personal choice I'd use some of my millions to do research and re-locate all pests like rats, roaches, poisonous animals, sharks, etc., to special places where they would live happily ever after in their own ecosystem, without us getting in their way, thus making our lives miserable. And many other things like promoting the construction and use of non-gasoline fueled vehicles and airplanes. I mean the list goes on and on it's endless. Of course part of my research funds, a significant part, and yes this would be selfish because nobody likes to be miserable, would also be to do research to find ways to really cope with and eventually eliminate any depression, suicidal or anxiety issues regarding gender dysphoria, once one is at a point of an impossible physical cure for life, as it would be in my particular case, by choosing option #1.

This is of course, the very extreme case: I would be a billionaire (extremely rich) as opposed to an utter indigent person who would really serve no purpose but to maybe smile to a few people because she is happy as a woman, for a couple of days before I die of starvation (I mean if I can't even purchase stuff at the one-dollar store, I am not gonna last a week alive, let's be serious).

Oh this was just sort of an incoherent rambling here, but that's the way I feel. I cry and feel so useless when I see a disabled person begging in the streets (no legs, blind, no arms, etc.) and at that very moment I feel I just don't have the right to feel sorry for myself. With billions at least I could try and see less and less of that. And of course if I could prevent war, atrocities in places like Africa and other places really stricken by poverty, I would use my money for that as well.

Cheers

Bibi B.

P.S. Almost forgot, I'd definitely fund a program to start replacing all these big old stupid street lights that produce that disgusting light pollution cloud in 99% of the cities in our world, for non-light-polluting technology, so we all could see our beautiful Milky Way band without having to drive away to the desert, climb up in the mountains by the clouds of the very Kilimanjaro or sink ourselves at the bottom of the ocean and die in a Titanic-like fashion, but at least having watched THE REAL NIGHT SKY once in our pity human lives! Have you ever been under the shadow --yes the shadow--  of a tree right under either Venus, Jupiter or Mars at maximum magnitude (at opposition) or even the brightest part of the Milky Way in a moonless night? Believe it or not, in places where the sky is truly dark as it should be everywhere, those objects that we barely see in the city (the planets) or don't see at all (the Milky Way band) are capable of producing faint shadows, similar to the ones we see by a faintly-illuminated Moon!!!

Money doesn't buy happiness. I would rather lead a happy life than a sad, but wealthy one.

Quote from: iiMTF on September 03, 2014, 08:28:01 PM
Why do you only plan on living until 40? Most people are living until like 80, nowadays.

This sentiment is common among youth.  I used to think that way.  A large number of my friends did, too.  My grandma said that the same was true in her generation.  It's beneficial for warlike tribes to have a certain percentage of youth willing to sacrifice themselves.  Stands to reason that we evolved this way.

The 'sensible' choice would be to be rich, stuck in the gender. Because even if I never medically transitioned I could still present however I want. And it makes more sense to me to be rich with a gender problem than cis with a starvation problem.

That said, I could be dirt poor and right-gendered, and still get myself off the ground potentially by applying myself. With the extra confidence and comfort being in the right gender would afford I'm sure it would be easier doing that than it is doing it now. 

I've never been about the money though. If I was I wouldn't have a creative job. I can live on next to nothing, really, and I'm happy enough with my outlets. Either choice would be fine. I'd find a way to make either work for me.

B.

Easier to be a man in the streets than in my current state. As Bibilinda said, I'd love to be able to give things to other people, but I doubt I'd live to get anywhere if I was in the wrong gender and rich.

I'd prefer to be at least lower middle class and male. When I get my dream job most of my extra money will go toward Hormones, GRS, and maybe some plastic surgery.

I'm already poor and finally being myself, so I'd stay this way. Yeah, being rich would incredibly help with my debt and financial struggles. But being rich, and in the wrong body, reminds me of a 14 year old me and if we can just NOT go back down there, that'll be great....

I can't decide. For option A, I'd actually be able to help the transgender community. But then I'd never be able to come out as trans and transition socially, so it's pretty counterproductive. Option B is great for erasing the suffering and dysphoria, but then I'd never be able to help the community on a wide-scale level, nor would I be able to achieve my goals and reach my fullest potential... :-\

Money would not cover the depression, anxiety etc. Poverty in the right body sounds 10x as better.

I'm very conflicted about this if I have to be honest. As someone who has had some experience with financial troubles in the family before, I have a little idea (though not to that extent) of how bad it can get with a lack of money and resources. It definitely won't be the easiest life even if I were living as the correct gender; furthermore, if I were simply born a cis male, I'd probably be too worried and struggling in poverty to have too much energy to appreciate that I was born cis and comfortable in my body, and my gender. If I were allowed to transition, but that put me in severe poverty, permanently living on the streets...I'd be more tempted, but I'd still be a little conflicted.

I also want to live a life doing the things I love/am passionate about, as much as I want to do them as the gender I am rather than the gender I was assigned. If I were that deeply in poverty, my entire life may just be a struggle to survival, and I may never have a chance to explore my love for music or writing, and be able to share that with the world, something that makes me really happy and helps give some meaning in my life. If I were deeply in poverty but still able to do some of that and share some of that with the world, I'd be more content with choosing option B. Furthermore, an important part of my life is also wanting to make a difference and connect with/help others, and that would be understandably more difficult to do if I were that deeply in poverty. I may be the correct gender, but I would be barred from many, many opportunities.

Then comes the fact that having money and living rich gives you avenue to really access and help a lot of people. Even if I had to live my life with the torture of being the wrong gender (I'm assuming never being able to come out?), I would at least be able to still be involved in trans things and help trans organisations. I would try and make up for the unhappiness of never being able to live as the correct gender (something which I could never fully "make up" for, but still) with helping out other trans people, and in pursuing doing what I love, possibly even being successful in it.

I'm glad in reality I probably won't ever have to make this choice, because it's a tough, tough one. I'm actually slightly more tempted to choose B, now that I think about it, but it won't be a super happy life as B either.

Quote from: pianoforte on September 07, 2014, 12:54:07 AM
I was going to pick rich because then I'd just transition, and buy myself a mansion, and start a granting organization to help trans people with transition, education, and getting ahead in life... but then you made that not allowed =/

I think I'd still rather pick rich. Because if I didn't have gender issues, I probably would be ignorant and maybe even intolerant of those issues. And I'd rather be sympathetic and hiding than be ignorant and unkind. I could still help other transfolk, financially speaking, even if I felt that I myself was trapped and transition wasn't an option. If I ever get rich I've already promised myself I'd have a secret room in my home that no one would ever know about (hidden behind either a bookshelf or a fireplace - maybe one of each). So I'd have enough money for that, and I'd fill it with all my secrets, and spend time in there being myself.

It's a rough life when you can't do all the things you want to do. I feel like the best way to make that meaningful is to help others.

So that's what I'd like to do.

This answer really summed up a lot of my thoughts towards this :)

I chose other, simply because it was an option.  Honestly though my answer would be A, because money allows you to be eccentric (I'd be the rich dude with the boobs) and gives you the ability to help those less fortunate than yourself. Sure I'd be stuck as I am now, but at least I'd be wealthy.

This is a hard decision and it's difficult to pick. Both have a very brutal disadvantages with it, but also with a few advantages. But I thinks the rich one sounds more logical to pick.

If I choice A, I would get my basic needs to survive covered like hunger, thirst, sleep etc. without problems and I would also get many opportunities which I wouldn't have as poor. I would have the opportunities to support charity organizations, traveling around the world and if I also were famous, I could change the world with speeches. If I have a lot of moneys, I can also afford things I needs in order to make arts. I can afford stuffs to draw, take photography etc. If I pick A, I can't medical or social transition, but the thread didn't say anything about clothes style. I could still wear masculine clothes and have a masculine hairstyle. Style can ease a bit at the dysphoria, but aren't so effective as medical transition. Many celebrities and rich people are known for undergoing cosmetic surgeries. If a celebrity can undergo a cosmetic surgery to get bigger boobs (breast implants), they can also get breast reduction surgery. It doesn't need to be counted as medical transition, because it exist cis people who underwent such thing either for cosmetic purposes or due back problems. A trans woman who picked A could also get FFS for cosmetic purposes, if she wanted to. It exist people from both genders who underwent a facial surgery to look like female celebrities like Kim K. My point is it doesn't have to be trans related. You can also live as yourself in secret at home. It's just you can't medical or social transition, and nor can you tell the world public about your true gender. What you do when you're home alone is not any body else's business. You can still chat with people at anonymous forums about trans stuffs.

If I picked B, I would struggle with daily things due poverty. Hunger, place to sleep etc. would be a problem. Living as a homeless person doesn't sound fun at all. If I was a cis person, I would probably not know anything about being trans. I thinks it would be hard to be grateful for being cisgender if you both doesn't know how being transgender is and you face problems which distract you to enjoy the cisgender thing. Covering the basic needs would be a daily struggle. So I thinks it wouldn't be a funny life.

So if I had to pick, I think it would be A.
 

Definitely the right gender. Honestly life has little meaning to me if I'm not myself.