I thought Kristin did good.. I like how real she was and her bravery. She showed the human side of being trans and the emotions came through. Good for Kristin...was to go girl.
I must admit I was concerned how the media would handle it.. I hope it helped folks that don't understand.. of course there will always be the haters but life is too short to worry about them!
I did not see the whole story but DVR's it so I can watch at home...
Love u girls,
Carrie
I DVR'ed it, but it ended up recording a tribute to Joan rivers
Quote from: HeatherR on September 05, 2014, 11:17:33 AM
I DVR'ed it, but it ended up recording a tribute to Joan rivers
Too bad, it seems to have deviated from courage to hater.
Sorry?
I know.. it was supposed to be on 10pm central to midnight too.. I dvr'd both time slots...
I bet they do a replay.. I hope..
Carrie
Quote from: HeatherR on September 05, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Sorry?
Yes Heather I do have to apologize for that comment, not for its content, but if I am going to make a social statement of this sort it should be in the appropriate thread. I was actually looking this thread up to delete my comment, but there was a later entry so this is what I was thinking.
I have really never been a fan of Joan River's style of comedy ever since she began back in the sixties. Even though it was supposed to be 'comedy' and in a vein of jest, I always thought or felt that there was too much of an undercurrent of meanness in her jokes. It was not until a month ago though that she crossed a line with me personally that was offensive. This happened when she made the statement that President Obama is gay, and that Michelle Obama is a ->-bleeped-<-. If that was not bad enough, I watched the video where she is walking up some steps while being questioned by the press about it, which I believe would have been an oppurtunity to offer up a different slant to her remark but only repeated it in an angry tone.
Well enough said I guess but again I apologize for putting a negative color to your thread. :( Dani
P.S. Didnt realize until later that it was not the most sensitive in timing.
No biggie at all did not think anything of it....... your good girl.
Love
Carrie
Ok I am sitting here with my usual channel on which is CNN and it comes on. UGH!!!! nice start!! A group of trans women in some sort of military support group. They all had dresses on and not a single one sounded like a women!!! Ya this program will really make strides in people accepting trans better. THIS IS THE RESON I AM STEALTH!!!!
I'm sorry but at least make an effort, or wait a few years!! Sorry if I offend anyone, but THIS IS NOT WHO I AM!!!
She is on the front lines, so to speak, of the war on perception. She is blazing trails where it was just overgrown jungle... Pun sort of intended?
This is exactly what we need. A lot of people don't understand us, and assume we're just femmy gay guys that are mentally insane. When people see that even one of the toughest baddest people on the planet can't defeat this, it opens some eyes. I used this as a wonderful platform to come out to some friends. Told them to watch and they were blown away and far more accepting than I expected.
I have mountains of respect for Kristin.
Quote from: Just Shelly on September 06, 2014, 08:08:09 PM
Ok I am sitting here with my usual channel on which is CNN and it comes on. UGH!!!! nice start!! A group of trans women in some sort of military support group. They all had dresses on and not a single one sounded like a women!!! Ya this program will really make strides in people accepting trans better. THIS IS THE RESON I AM STEALTH!!!!
I'm sorry but at least make an effort, or wait a few years!! Sorry if I offend anyone, but THIS IS NOT WHO I AM!!!
Yeah, I really wish she worked on her voice a bit... I understand the bravery and all about coming out but just... I dunno.
Quote from: Just Shelly on September 06, 2014, 08:08:09 PM
Ok I am sitting here with my usual channel on which is CNN and it comes on. UGH!!!! nice start!! A group of trans women in some sort of military support group. They all had dresses on and not a single one sounded like a women!!! Ya this program will really make strides in people accepting trans better. THIS IS THE RESON I AM STEALTH!!!!
I'm sorry but at least make an effort, or wait a few years!! Sorry if I offend anyone, but THIS IS NOT WHO I AM!!!
i agree. i wish she worked more on her voice. but she is trying and stated she is new to transition/the whole process. but yeah its also while im stealth. they did bring up a topic on the cnn website about stealth post ops joining the military and some being caught. i thought that was also interesting
i felt bad about her classic situation of coming out later in life, the whole losing good relationship with wife and kids/family
I really liked the movie. I hated how everyone misgendered her throughout the movie, and I hated the scenes where she was applying makeup because that is a cliched go to shot for any kind of documentary about trans women.
She is opening minds and hearts by being a very public person; I gathered from the video that she probably a pretty private person but she got stuck in the limelight and is making the best of it. The part where she was crying about her kids made me cry too.
I was very impressed by all of those old gruff military guys that opened up to her and respected her. It takes guts to walk into a military bar as a MTF in a skirt. If she can get those guys to accept her it gives me hope that more and more people will be accepting of us in the future.
A lot of things in her story resonated with me. I sat there watching it saying "yep" over and over again because I understood what was happening to her and why she did the things she did.
She is a hero in many more ways than one.
I don't think there's any more pride in coming out in the military than in any other situation. If there are reasons it might be more difficult that's to do with sexism in the military and society at large. Nothing to be pleased about. And I don't need high-visibility trans people to be mouthpieces or apologists for military violence and imperialism.
That said, I support any and all trans and gender nonconforming people who come out and stand up for themselves, in all situations, all walks of life and livelihood. This includes Kristin Beck.
I think it's too bad that she faces criticism -- on these pages especially -- for her voice. And the women wearing dresses... what's wrong with wearing dresses? People who have faced oppression for how they look and who they are should be the first to accept -- radically, with no conditions -- any and all expressions of gender.
It's been repeated now for the last couple of hours. Even though I feel she doesn't help any trans that may not want to be viewed as trans, I still have the up most respect for what she is doing and can feel for many of the things she goes through. Like many in her same situation, I could never hate or think that they do not have the same right as I do. They have had the same damn dysphoria I have all my life....and maybe even worse.
She is not trying to portray a feminine woman or a man she herself even said she's not sure where to put herself. I guess this is one of the huge differences between her, others like her and myself. I do not want to be nor do I feel anything less than a woman....well unless I look in between my legs UGH!!
I just think these docu's do more harm than good....even though that may not be there intention. If I wanted someone to know more about what I have gone through I can't think of a single docu that could portray it. I know we all are different, but it seems so many in these docu's seem to emphasize more importance of wearing female clothing than the many other aspects that are much more important.....like voice, posture, gestures....its not that they need to fake these...that's something I refused to do also. But they should at least try to not be as muscular of ones.
The part that his dad was gendering her male, consistently....I would of allowed that to be aired once and then told him that he will gender me correctly the rest of the show or his part of the story will not be told. But I also have the feeling she may not care as much....I know early on this was not a huge concern of mine either....mostly because I didn't want to shove my transition down peoples throat. Now I am at the point of telling people close to me that still say it at times that It is not acceptable!!
Love the lovers... her sister.. so understanding and she gets it....
The most wonderful part of this journey is finding out how much we are loved by the ones who really love us.... Not many in life ever find out who really really loves and will stand by our sides when the chips are down..
I have found out and its so cool....to know you know true love and friendship... its a gift..
The ones who leave or don't try to understand... IMHO dont count.. they can go on and live their shallow selfish lives.. karma...its a real thing..
Love and be loved...
I put two kids through college and loved them unconditionally .. my son gets it.. my daughter... does not and I will never see her kids....I still wish her happiness in life..
On and on I could go.. will stop here...but you girls know what I am talking about....
With Love,
Carrie
My love and admiration to Ms. beck, for the courage to be herself (despite the obvious criticism she is going to get -even from other trans women) but then again I am not surprise as that is what she is all about a "A Lady of Valor."
I tried the "voice education," but to no avail... I am hoping to have the money for a trip to Dr. Yeson some day... but my kids college, braces, and cars come first
Like Ms.Beck, albeit to a lesser degree, I go around doing my duties as a happy woman despite the deep voice... no apologies and no hiding
Trailblazer is what Ms. Beck is :), she won't be forgotten.
Semper Fidelis
I've had to deal with a lot of my own internalised trans prejudices since having finally accepted that I was trans. Being on Susan's has helped me do that immensely. Despite my MPB and height I consider myself very fortunate as I pass well and am yet to have my presentation called into question by anyone. What I have learned is a lot of compassion for our sisters whose physicality places them more definitively in the masculine appearance spectrum. Some choose painful surgery, some don't, but regardless it doesn't make their pain, their struggle and their status as a woman any less than those who can pass as if they were born cis female. Same applies to the guys but the other way around. I haven't seen the doc but please don't rag on her because of her voice or whatnot. I personally think that the more the public sees that we're not all just about being a particular type of "female image" the more hope there is for more people to challenge their gender identity instead of being trapped by it.
Is there anywhere to view this? I tried youtube etc in case it was there :(